Trout Mask Replica why so popular?
Michael Madden
I have had a copy of the Beefheart album Trout Mask Replica for a
considerable a mount of time, I have never managed to reach the end of the
C.d. copy.
China Pig being the only real moment of interest for me.
The rest seeming to be a jumble of sounds, are the band even playing the
same song at the same time in places?
The reason for this post is over the recent years numerous music polls have
been conducted and with put exception Trout Mask Replica has been in them.
Not just a album scraping in at the bottom either.
Many of my friends and people I have met over the years have expressed their
interest, the majority citing it as their fav album of all time.
My question is why is it so popular?
Best Wishes
Michael Madden
JWB
>same song at the same time in places?
That's the way it was written and meticulously rehearsed. It is brilliant
and it takes an acquired taste to enjoy.
>My question is why is it so popular?
Because it rules.
--
John W. Busher
Lewis Saul
>I was wondering if you could answer a question for me.
>
Probably not.
>I have had a copy of the Beefheart album Trout Mask Replica for a
>considerable a mount of time, I have never managed to reach the end of the
>C.d. copy.
>
Unplug the phone.
>China Pig being the only real moment of interest for me.
Almost four moments, actually...
>The rest seeming to be a jumble of sounds, are the band even playing the
>same song at the same time in places?
I could try for a metaphysical response, but I don't think that's what you're
after...this is Don's music -- everyone's playing everything for everybody all
the time in one place and in every place...
>The reason for this post is over the recent years numerous music polls have
>been conducted and with put exception Trout Mask Replica has been in them.
>Not just a album scraping in at the bottom either.
>
You don't say what the music poll was? Most unusual double-album with the
drummer not credited in 1969?
>Many of my friends and people I have met over the years have expressed their
>interest, the majority citing it as their fav album of all time.
>
Seriously -- though this is probably his most "well-known" effort, and the only
one Produced by FZ, there are other places to go and perhaps ease your way back
into this one.
[some of these will be tough to find]
Clear Spot is a Ted Templeton production that rocks from start to finish with
very good production values.
The Spotlight Kid is bluesy and concise and -- again -- beautifully produced and
recorded...
Mirror Man is ancient beyond belief ('65?) -- and also rocks from start to
finish
Lick My Decals Off Baby has Artie Tripp and Roy Estrada and some of Don's
greatest tracks ever....
Strictly Personal is very early and full of "trippy" sounds (and philosophy)
that only Don could make...
Shiny Beast/Bat Chain Puller is very cool -- it has a few "Don Goes For The
Top-40 Charts" on it (Harry Irene/Love Lies), plus some really excellent
ensemble work...
Don't go anywhere near something called Unconditionally Guaranteed. You'll
never get your money back.
>My question is why is it so popular? (TMR)
>
Because it is a masterpiece. Go unplug the phone.
Have you ever heard anyone who referred to Jim Morrison as a "poet" ????
Prepare to understand the true definition of musician/poet....
You'll be singing Ella Guru in the shower; and wailing She's Too Much For My
Mirror in the car; and maybe even you'll have ALL the words to the Old Fart At
Play memorized before you know it!
For my $, there is NOTHING like the final three tracks -- Steal Softy (my sig);
Old Fart and Veteran's Day Poppy.
I also believe nostalgia plays a big part of this release's "notoriety." Those
of us who were around when it came out and listened to it day and night back
then sort of have a little folkloric attachment to it that may not be possible
in this day of Presidential Blowjobs and Octafish Congresspersons....
Hobo Chang Ba
Lewis Saul
TFZMRI
http://www.mypages.com/lsaul
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steal softly through sunshine
steal softly through snow
Lewis Saul
>>My question is why is it so popular?
>
>
>--
>
>John W. Busher
>
Darkhop]...
Konrad
: I also believe nostalgia plays a big part of this release's "notoriety."
I agree with you (in your earlier post) that the nostalgia for the
old folks theory don't wash. This album appeals to me because of it's
collage quality. I can understand not getting through the Cd version,
since it was sequenced for album sides. I'm a big fan of the album being
the work, and the album side being the unit. If you listen to that album
in side-chunks, it's incredibly balanced, wildly cantilevered with
different song/recording styles butting up against each other. OTOH,
probably the prerequisite to appreciating it this way is NOT finding
Beefheart's singing and the Magic Band's polyrhythmic playing irritating.
But (to the original poster) read Michael Pierry's post on
discovering the Ives CD that's been lying around unappreciated for years,
and allow that you might come back to it later (like Ron will) and like
it.
konrad
--
^Z
StucoHomes
>Clear Spot is a Ted Templeton production that rocks from start to finish with
>very good production values.
>The Spotlight Kid is bluesy and concise and -- again -- beautifully produced
>and
>recorded...
These two are readily available in the US as a single CD. Just look for it...
>Mirror Man is ancient beyond belief ('65?) -- and also rocks from start to
>finish
This is a great album... available as an import (well, it's from England).
It's an inexpensive import, $15 where I got it. And well worth it.
>Strictly Personal is very early and full of "trippy" sounds (and philosophy)
>that only Don could make...
I have this on vinyl, replete with a scratch in "Beatle Bones 'n Smokin'
Stones." I WANT this on CD, since my vinyl has poor sound quality, because it
is VERY cool. VERY.
------------
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questionable psychic, writer, author, arthur?, composer, disposer, imposer,
imposter, et al
Michael Pierry
>
>
> For my $, there is NOTHING like the final three tracks -- Steal Softy (my sig);
> Old Fart and Veteran's Day Poppy.
Does the black paper between a mirror break your heart, too? ;)
>
> I also believe nostalgia plays a big part of this release's "notoriety." Those
> of us who were around when it came out and listened to it day and night back
> then sort of have a little folkloric attachment to it that may not be possible
> in this day of Presidential Blowjobs and Octafish Congresspersons....
The closest I ever get to a feeling of nostalgia is when I hear music from the
early 80's. How would you like it if hearing "Billy Jean" or "Thriller" made
you feel like a little kid? Not to mention Hall & Oates.
Michael Pierry
>
>
> My question is why is it so popular?
>
Must be the same thing that makes Hanson and the Spice Girls so popular.
James Diesel
Pierry give me hope for this younger generation.....Of course then there is this
other guy we are not supposed to talk about......= True.....Trout Mask Replica does
rule....I won`t listen to it on CD......I like that raw lp sound on this
one.....James
Lewis Saul wrote:
> JWB wrote in message ...
> >>My question is why is it so popular?
> >
James Diesel
Big Joan.....even though she`s a tiny thing.....But when BIG JOAN sets
up.....Well......James
Lewis Saul wrote:
> Clear Spot is a Ted Templeton production that rocks from start to finish with
> very good production values.
> The Spotlight Kid is bluesy and concise and -- again -- beautifully produced and
> recorded...
> Mirror Man is ancient beyond belief ('65?) -- and also rocks from start to
> finish
> Lick My Decals Off Baby has Artie Tripp and Roy Estrada and some of Don's
> greatest tracks ever....
> Strictly Personal is very early and full of "trippy" sounds (and philosophy)
> that only Don could make...
> Shiny Beast/Bat Chain Puller is very cool -- it has a few "Don Goes For The
> Top-40 Charts" on it (Harry Irene/Love Lies), plus some really excellent
> ensemble work...
>
> Don't go anywhere near something called Unconditionally Guaranteed. You'll
> never get your money back.
>
> >My question is why is it so popular? (TMR)
> >
> Because it is a masterpiece. Go unplug the phone.
>
> Have you ever heard anyone who referred to Jim Morrison as a "poet" ????
>
> Prepare to understand the true definition of musician/poet....
>
> You'll be singing Ella Guru in the shower; and wailing She's Too Much For My
> Mirror in the car; and maybe even you'll have ALL the words to the Old Fart At
> Play memorized before you know it!
>
> For my $, there is NOTHING like the final three tracks -- Steal Softy (my sig);
> Old Fart and Veteran's Day Poppy.
>
> I also believe nostalgia plays a big part of this release's "notoriety." Those
> of us who were around when it came out and listened to it day and night back
> then sort of have a little folkloric attachment to it that may not be possible
> in this day of Presidential Blowjobs and Octafish Congresspersons....
>
> Hobo Chang Ba
AJ Wilkes
: The closest I ever get to a feeling of nostalgia is when I hear music from
: the early 80's. How would you like it if hearing "Billy Jean" or
: "Thriller" made you feel like a little kid? Not to mention Hall & Oates.
The word nostalgia always makes me think of nasal congestion... but nothing
can beat children's television for nostalgic purposes - who could forget
Bagpuss, Fingermouse, Chorlton and the Wheelies, Pob, Bric-A-Brac, PlayAway,
Tony Hart, The Magic Roundabout, Camberwick Green, Bod, Henry's Cat, King
Rollo, Mr Ben, and more recently, Fraggle Rock. Not to mention the pinball
clip on Sesame Street - one-two-three FOUR-five, six-seven-eight NINE-ten,
e-LEV-en-TWELVE, ching-kaching-ching-ching-bing-bongka-ching...
-jk-
Michael Gushulak
[list of recommendations deleted]
Lewis, I wonder why you don't include Safe as Milk in your list of
suggestions for beginners. I can see that Safe as Milk is a lot
"straighter" than TMR and Doc at the Radar Station (the only other
Beefheart albums I heard) and may not be typical of the Captain's work,
but it's still a great album, I think. Are the ones you listed so much
better that it needn't be considered?
M.G.
--
"HI I'm hopelessly in love with you... let me get my wallet"
--- Jimmy Corrigan, The Smartest Kid on Earth
ADAHLI
I don't know why captain B. is popular. He is just a bad joke like Wild Man
Fischer. But if you like albums with animals try listening to any one of
Barnes and Barnes cd's. From cats to babies to fish, they provide songs to
erode every animism void. Good Luck.
Lewis Saul
>
>Lewis, I wonder why you don't include Safe as Milk in your list of
>suggestions for beginners. I can see that Safe as Milk is a lot
>"straighter" than TMR and Doc at the Radar Station (the only other
>Beefheart albums I heard) and may not be typical of the Captain's work,
>but it's still a great album, I think. Are the ones you listed so much
>better that it needn't be considered?
>
>M.G.
I love SAM -- but it comes from the same period as Strictly Personal, which I
prefer in its weirdness. There are GREAT songs on SAM, but as an album -- I
would recommend SP above it.
It's like FZ -- I detest ranking this stuff, really. I don't think it's
possible at all with FZ if you really appreciate the entire oeuvre -- do you
like Sheik Yerbouti better than Yellow Shark? They both rock. They both rule.
Correct?
I think an album like Clear Spot, in the case of Don, perhaps, can get a Ron or
a Michael M. (2 who've wondered what all the fuss is about) to approach TMR from
the back door, so to speak -- it's so well-produced with lots of great out-front
guitar and vocals (and if these guys can't get past Don's voice in TMR --
there's hope in this release where his voice is bathed in all sorts of neat
studio effects)...
I would say that denizens and lurkers in this particular newsgroup might
appreciate LICK MY DECALS OFF best of all -- it's not really that much of an
accident that the band featured ex-fz'ers and "sounds" very FZ-like -- at least
as far as the marimba-heavy "orchestration" is concerned -- and what I like to
call the "slam-on-the-brakes-double bar" effect...
This thread got me pulling out my Beefheart collection. Fetishment and Severe
Listening followed. Thank you, Mr. Madden. It's been a fun day!
Michael Gula
think the four album sides were planned as units at all. You should hear
these songs in a different order each time you play the CD.
Trust me.
Konrad said:
> I agree with you (in your earlier post) that the nostalgia for the
> old folks theory don't wash. This album appeals to me because of it's
> collage quality. I can understand not getting through the Cd version,
> since it was sequenced for album sides. I'm a big fan of the album being
> the work, and the album side being the unit. If you listen to that album
> in side-chunks, it's incredibly balanced, wildly cantilevered with
> different song/recording styles butting up against each other.
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To reply remove MORESPAM from the address.
Michael Pierry
What exactly is an "animism void", and how can a void "erode"?
Michael Pierry
>
> The word nostalgia always makes me think of nasal congestion... but nothing
> can beat children's television for nostalgic purposes - who could forget
> Bagpuss, Fingermouse, Chorlton and the Wheelies, Pob, Bric-A-Brac, PlayAway,
> Tony Hart, The Magic Roundabout, Camberwick Green, Bod, Henry's Cat, King
> Rollo, Mr Ben, and more recently, Fraggle Rock. Not to mention the pinball
> clip on Sesame Street - one-two-three FOUR-five, six-seven-eight NINE-ten,
> e-LEV-en-TWELVE, ching-kaching-ching-ching-bing-bongka-ching...
>
Of course, I've never heard of any of those shows except for Sesame Street and
Fraggle Rock. But man, I sure can sing along with that pinball clip. I
must've seen that thousands of times!! I was a Sesame Street addict.
Eric Martin
pinball thing. I still sing that song sometimes. That and "One of these kids
is doing his own thing." I also feel great nostalgia for the 3-2-1 Contact
bit called "The Bloodhound Gang" And I'm sure you remember Dangermouse Tony.
But does anyone else remember the show on public television called "The
Electric Company"? If anyone can name the currently famous actor who was on
that show.....well I don't have a prize but I would think you are very cool
for knowing. Also bonus cool points for naming the actual Marvel comics
superhero that appeared on just about every episode of that show.
Eric Martin
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nothing
>> can beat children's television for nostalgic purposes - who could forget
>> Bagpuss, Fingermouse, Chorlton and the Wheelies, Pob, Bric-A-Brac,
PlayAway,
>> Tony Hart, The Magic Roundabout, Camberwick Green, Bod, Henry's Cat, King
>> Rollo, Mr Ben, and more recently, Fraggle Rock. Not to mention the
pinball
>> clip on Sesame Street - one-two-three FOUR-five, six-seven-eight
NINE-ten,
>> e-LEV-en-TWELVE, ching-kaching-ching-ching-bing-bongka-ching...
The only ones that I've heard of are Fraggle Rock and Sesame Street because
they're American. I cannot comment on the rest because they're British, I
assume. Is Fraggle Rock just catching on there? I haven't seen Fraggle Rock
in years.....
I just saw those damn Teletubbies and they scared the fuck out of me. I used
to love Dangermouse when I was a kid. That was a British cartoon.
Dangermouse kicked ass.
--
John W. Busher
muds...@ptdprolog.net
Tal
...
>The closest I ever get to a feeling of nostalgia is when I hear music from
the
>early 80's. How would you like it if hearing "Billy Jean" or "Thriller"
made
>you feel like a little kid? Not to mention Hall & Oates.
Suicidal.
Yours,
--Tal
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Konrad <konr...@netcom.com> wrote:
> Lewis Saul <ls...@azstarnet.com> wrote:
> : I also believe nostalgia plays a big part of this release's "notoriety."
>
> I agree with you (in your earlier post) that the nostalgia for the
> old folks theory don't wash. This album appeals to me because of it's
> collage quality. I can understand not getting through the Cd version,
> since it was sequenced for album sides. I'm a big fan of the album being
> the work, and the album side being the unit.
And just to help those of you vinyl-impaired:
Side 1: Frownland -> Moonlight on Vermont
Side 2: Pachuco Cadaver -> Dali's Car
Side 3: Hair Pie: Bake 2 -> um, Ant Man Bee, I think
Side 4: Orange Claw Hammer (I think) -> Veteran's Day Poppy
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"Michael Madden" <Michael...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> I have had a copy of the Beefheart album Trout Mask Replica for a
> considerable a mount of time, I have never managed to reach the end of the
> C.d. copy.
> <snip>
> My question is why is it so popular?
>
> Best Wishes
> Michael Madden
>
>
I'll copy a response I gave Speigelhatler on this one a few weeks ago:
------
I've read a couple of the replies you've been given so far, Rob, so maybe
this ends up being redundant. When I bought Trout Mask Replica, on Vinyl,
back in...oh...1985, I couldn't get it at all. I didn't understand why
everyone was crowing that Beefheart was so great -- the music was annoying,
it all sounded the same, etc. etc. etc. I went so far as to say to myself "I
don't want to become the kind of person who likes this kind of music." I
sold the record and taped over the cassette I had made of it with a copy of
_Todd_. (A much shorter double album.)
I was really into _Todd_. Every time I played it, where I had stopped
recording, the middle of "My Human Gets Me Blues" erupted from the tape,
followed by "Dali's Car". This is what hooked me -- eventually I started to
see the order and beauty of the spiky, angular rhythms. And the lyrics of
"My Human Gets Me Blues" are just amazing:
But it's alright God dug yer dance
'n would have you young 'n in his harum
Dress you the way he wants cause he never had uh doll
Cause everybody made him uh boy
'n God didn't think t' ask his preference
So I eventually broke down and bought the album again when it was available
on CD. At that point, I had _evolved_ -- I got it -- and the album became a
touchstone. I don't listen to it much -- it's strong, pungent stuff -- but
when I do it totally clears the cobweb.
My advice? Put the album away for six months. Then, listen to Side 1
(through Moonlight on Vermont) many, many times. It's a breathtaking
statement of purpose. Listen to the end of Side 2 (China Pig through Dali's
Car) and feel the shifts in mood and style. And listen to Veteran's Day
Poppy -- particularly to the outro, which is one of the more melodious and
accessible of the Magic Band's angular jams.
Like everyone says, it takes a long time for Beefheart to grow on you. It's a
weirdly subconscious process, though -- one day you just _get it_. And it's
totally worth it -- you've just gotta take our word for it.
----
hope this helps.
Martin Higgs
wrote:
>Michael Madden wrote in message <6u3n7k$nqt$1...@mendelevium.btinternet.com>...
>>I was wondering if you could answer a question for me.
>>I have had a copy of the Beefheart album Trout Mask Replica for a
>>considerable a mount of time, I have never managed to reach the end of the
>>C.d. copy.
>I also believe nostalgia plays a big part of this release's "notoriety." Those
>of us who were around when it came out and listened to it day and night back
>then sort of have a little folkloric attachment to it that may not be possible
>in this day of Presidential Blowjobs and Octafish Congresspersons....
I was around when TMR came out and listened to it last thing every
night on headphones for _months_. In the other recent mega-thread on
TMR a couple of folks said it had a primative quality, the way I
perceived it at that time was that it was the most _natural_ sounding
music I'd ever heard (I can't think of a better word at the moment)
Talking of nostalgia, when I was searching 'the vaults' the other
night for the 'Keyboard' Sorabji article (not found ..yet), I looked
through my LP collection that I haven't played for years (CDs have a
lot to answer for) ..man, nostalgia overload, I forgotten just what
great LPs I have.
"Insects that are merely noisome like to think that they can also
sting." - Kaikhosru Sorabji
But what about the Hepatitus Bee
Martin Higgs
Martin Higgs
>Michael Pierry <still...@home.com> wrote:
>
>: The closest I ever get to a feeling of nostalgia is when I hear music from
>: the early 80's. How would you like it if hearing "Billy Jean" or
>: "Thriller" made you feel like a little kid? Not to mention Hall & Oates.
>
>The word nostalgia always makes me think of nasal congestion... but nothing
>can beat children's television for nostalgic purposes - who could forget
>Bagpuss, Fingermouse, Chorlton and the Wheelies, Pob, Bric-A-Brac, PlayAway,
>Tony Hart, The Magic Roundabout, Camberwick Green, Bod, Henry's Cat, King
>Rollo, Mr Ben, and more recently, Fraggle Rock. Not to mention the pinball
>clip on Sesame Street - one-two-three FOUR-five, six-seven-eight NINE-ten,
>e-LEV-en-TWELVE, ching-kaching-ching-ching-bing-bongka-ching...
>
Am I the only guy on earth who remembers "The Singing Ringing Tree"
from years back on BBC TV, of Eastern European.
Tony if you are nostalgic for Tony Hart (Vision On), the 'Gallery
music' (indelibly ingrained in 90% of UK citizens) has just been
released on a CD of Incidental Music by a guy called Vince Gambit. The
actual title of the Gallery piece is _Left Bank 2_. The fame of this
piece made a report on the Radio 4 'PM' programme. They called up
Tony Hart for his comments ..can't remember his exact words, but
something like "I never want to ever hear it again"
Oh, ..there is a 'replica' rendition and a jazzed up version with
added piano etc.
Martin Higgs
Malcolm Woodward
<u6...@keele.ac.uk> writes
>Michael Pierry <still...@home.com> wrote:
>
>: The closest I ever get to a feeling of nostalgia is when I hear music from
>: the early 80's. How would you like it if hearing "Billy Jean" or
>: "Thriller" made you feel like a little kid? Not to mention Hall & Oates.
>
>The word nostalgia always makes me think of nasal congestion... but nothing
>can beat children's television for nostalgic purposes - who could forget
>Bagpuss, Fingermouse, Chorlton and the Wheelies, Pob, Bric-A-Brac, PlayAway,
>Tony Hart, The Magic Roundabout, Camberwick Green, Bod, Henry's Cat, King
>Rollo, Mr Ben, and more recently, Fraggle Rock. Not to mention the pinball
>clip on Sesame Street - one-two-three FOUR-five, six-seven-eight NINE-ten,
>e-LEV-en-TWELVE, ching-kaching-ching-ching-bing-bongka-ching...
>
Oh, you youngsters!!!
What about Tales of the Riverbank, Rag, Tag & Bobtail, Andy Pandy, The
Flowerpot Men and Muffin the Mule (which these days is a sexual
offence).
--
Malcolm Woodward
Geir Corneliussen
>
> I don't know why captain B. is popular. He is just a bad joke like Wild Man
> Fischer. But if you like albums with animals try listening to any one of
> Barnes and Barnes cd's. From cats to babies to fish, they provide songs to
> erode every animism void. Good Luck.
Apes-Ma, Apes-Ma
Remember when you were young Apes-Ma?
And you used to break out of your cage?
Well you know that you're not
Strong enough to do that anymore now
And Apes-Ma... The little girl that
Named you years ago died now
And you're older Apes-Ma
Remember when she named you
And it was in the paper Apes-Ma?
Apes-Ma, Apes-Ma
You're eating too much
And going to the bathroom too much Apes-Ma
And Apes-Ma, your cage isn't getting any bigger Apes-Ma
dukeo...@ibm.net
ada...@aol.com (ADAHLI) wrote:
>
> I don't know why captain B. is popular. He is just a bad joke like Wild Man
> Fischer. But if you like albums with animals try listening to any one of
> Barnes and Barnes cd's. From cats to babies to fish, they provide songs to
> erode every animism void. Good Luck.
>
I think de boy's been habbin' too much IGNINT McNUGGET!
MDec500157
>>Subject: Trout Mask Replica why so popular?
>From: "Michael Madden" <Michael...@btinternet.com>
>Date: Sun, Sep 20, 1998 16:04 EDT
>I was wondering if you could answer a question for me.
>
>I have had a copy of the Beefheart album Trout Mask Replica for a
>considerable a mount of time, I have never managed to reach the end of the
>C.d. copy.
>
>China Pig being the only real moment of interest for me.
>
>The rest seeming to be a jumble of sounds, are the band even playing the
>same song at the same time in places?
>
>The reason for this post is over the recent years numerous music polls have
>been conducted and with put exception Trout Mask Replica has been in them.
>Not just a album scraping in at the bottom either.
>
>Many of my friends and people I have met over the years have expressed their
>interest, the majority citing it as their fav album of all time.
>
>My question is why is it so popular?
Here we go again....
Apparently you either get it or you don't.
Don't strain yourself trying to like it. What's the point?
The first time I heard Beefheart, I said that's it, that's the way music should
sound. Similar thing happened with Zappa and a bunch of other musicians. My
friends hated 'em. I didn't listen to my friends. I don't listen to boutique
owners, MTV, or fashion magazines either.
For that matter, Trout Mask Replica *isn't* very popular with the rocknroll
world at large.
Jeezis....
Mike
"People are bloody ignorant apes!"
- Samuel Beckett
ADAHLI
>Apes-Ma, Apes-Ma
Who knows if they love you.
>young Apes-Ma?
Are they thinking of you?
>Apes-Ma
Rubbing up against you.
>bigger Apes-Ma
Do they love you?
Fish-Heads, fish- heads, rolly polly fish- heads. Fish- heads, fish- heads eat
them up, yum! Ask a fish- head anything you want to, they won't answer, they
can't talk... Yes!
Dan B.
(I don't know what this exactly means) album than Trout Mask. It features excellent
stuff from Bruce Fowler & Artie Tripp (on marimba!) Plus as we all know, the
original sessions were produced by FZ. The original album is supposed to be
released some time soon, produced by Denny Walley right?
Owed T'Alex is one of the best songs ever--excellent dual guitar parts. I think
it's still available as an import from Virgin.
Timothy Gillespie
from Malcolm Woodward <mal...@rockon.demon.co.uk> contains these words:
> Oh, you youngsters!!!
> What about Tales of the Riverbank, Rag, Tag & Bobtail, Andy Pandy, The
> Flowerpot Men and Muffin the Mule (which these days is a sexual
> offence).
> --
> Malcolm Woodward
What about Noggin the Nog?
--
Tim
Not all drumers are thick.
BatPuller
>>From: "Michael Madden"
>Trout Mask Replica >
>why is it so popular?
>From: mdec50015
>Don't strain yourself trying to like it
>From:Samuel Beckett
>
>"People are bloody ignorant apes!
Trout Mask Replica is a masterwork. Not meant to be understood by th' masses.
By the way, if you don't already have it, seek out the vinyl is made from
inferior inferiors. My " jewel box " broke when new and recently my cd rom
BROKE the damn disc. Thats cool though...my record man has one for 18 bucks
daddys.......
Geir Corneliussen
The animals from the circus are the caged ones. The real circus is
mankind itself.
The Apes Ma is from this circus.
The Apes-Ma poem is the end of the Shiny Beast album. Its really a funny
little thing to end an album with.
Here's another poem by Beefheart about animals. During the centuries,
various religions infected human minds and made them ugly. This one is a
true beauty. Don't mess with this one, aol-stranger.
You should know by the kindness
of uh dog the way uh human should
be
You should know by the kindness of uh dog
The way a human should be
You should feel the wet wood heart of the tree
Wood sap pop like a frog's eye
Open t' the fly 'n the blood of the river
When it ripples 'n clicks like uh waterbell
'n the elephant in his beautiful grey leather suit
Though he's wrinkled he looks smart as hell
'n the turtle's eyes carry bags very well
'n the snake's in shape
He rattles like uh baby 'wears his diamonds
Better than uh fine lady's finger
'n his fangs are no more dangerous
Than her slow aristocratic poison
And he plays his games on uh grass bed
'n uh monkey never had uh guilty masturbation
'n uh monkey wouldn't shit on another's creation
And the fatman cries throughout all creation
'cause he's got uh cold
'n the icebear dives thru blue zero for uh frozen fish
'n the eskimo wears his hide 'n chews his heart
'n the beautiful grey whale oils some bitches lighter
Someday I'll have money 'n I can frame myself
What uh picture I'll be choppin' down uh tree
dukeo...@ibm.net
If you can't handle the Captain, I suggest you go back to listening to the
Spice Girls or Poison or Kajagoogoo or whatever else gets you off.
dukeo...@ibm.net
mdec5...@aol.com (MDec500157) wrote:
> For that matter, Trout Mask Replica *isn't* very popular with the rocknroll
> world at large.
> Jeezis....
>
> Mike
>
>
However, there _was_ a poll recently, co-sponsored (I think) by NME and HMV,
that had Trout Mask Replica as something like the 42nd best rock 'n' roll
record of all time. It came _significantly_ above albums such as, say, Born
to Run.
Oh that I lived in a world where this was not clearly a statistical
anomaly....
Martin Higgs
What about Pinky and Perky doing the the FZ/Bozzio parts in a
rendition of 'Titties and Beer'. Now that would be amazing.
Martin Higgs
Ron Spiegelhalter
<dukeo...@ibm.net> mumbled something like...
> If you can't handle the Captain, I suggest you go back to listening to the
> Spice Girls or Poison or Kajagoogoo or whatever else gets you off.
Uh, correct me if I'm wrong, but that's kind of a fucking HUGE leap, is
it not? From Captain Beefheart to the Spice Girls? Puh-lease...
--
ron
<ron2112 at empire dot net>
"Once upon a time when you saw roadkill you said "aw"
Now you say "good for you"
Maybe it's a certain enzyme you lack
And may all your T-shirts be black"
-Mike Keneally, "Top of Stove Melting"
www.moosenet.com/keneally.html
It Never Entered My Mind
<Michael...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>My question is why is it so popular?
Dunno.
And I also don't think it's popular in the most strict meaning of
the word "popular".
I case could perhaps be made that it's popular among CB fans.
But among Zappa fans? Not sure.
Among the general music fans? Absolutely not!
Among classical music fans? Forget about it....
... and lemme just say:
with the focus on the quantitative to the detriment of the
qualitative for the Zappa releases (i.e. no gigs, and no new
material being released) Biblical study is beginning to look more
and more interesting.
In fact, I might start doing like Saul and study the Holy Books, or
maybe investigate the Talmud!
Heh
Michael Pierry
>
> In article <6ub6hl$ni8$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, dukeo...@ibm.net
> <dukeo...@ibm.net> mumbled something like...
> > If you can't handle the Captain, I suggest you go back to listening to the
> > Spice Girls or Poison or Kajagoogoo or whatever else gets you off.
>
> Uh, correct me if I'm wrong, but that's kind of a fucking HUGE leap, is
> it not? From Captain Beefheart to the Spice Girls? Puh-lease...
Uh, excuse me, but I'm a HUGE Spice Girls fan, and I think they are just WAY
more talented than Captain Beefheart could ever hope to be. And if you can't
handle Scary, Sporty, Baby, and uh, what's the other one, Trashy? Whatever.
If you can't handle their TOWERING GENIUS, I suggest you go back to listening
to Mike Keneally or Charles Ives or that talentless Zappa that you all worship.
GIRL POWER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Michael Gula
> However, there _was_ a poll recently, co-sponsored (I think) by NME and HMV,
> that had Trout Mask Replica as something like the 42nd best rock 'n' roll
> record of all time. It came _significantly_ above albums such as, say, Born
> to Run.
I've seen similar polls in years past wherein TMR gets an honored
position. For some unfathomable reason, TMR is a music critic's darling.
Somehow, it became "hip" to say good things about the album. But I
wonder if these critics actually like it. Cynical me.
Michael Gula
Sam and/or Karen Rouse
> with the focus on the quantitative to the detriment of the
> qualitative for the Zappa releases (i.e. no gigs, and no new
> material being released) Biblical study is beginning to look more
> and more interesting.
>
> In fact, I might start doing like Saul and study the Holy Books, or
> maybe investigate the Talmud!
Good idea - why don't you report back in, say, 3 or 4 years (don't forget
to study the Koran, Tao Te Ching, and Upanishads too, to get the proper
cultural perspective & parallax view).
> Heh
Yer such a tease....
--
Sam and/or Karen Rouse ro...@teleport.com
alt.fan.frank-zappa RC5-64 team webpage:
http://www.teleport.com/~rouse/fz/rc5.html
FZ Concert Tales:
http://www.teleport.com/~rouse/fz/
Que es mas macho - pineapple or knife?
Michael Pierry
>
>
> to study the Koran, Tao Te Ching, and Upanishads too, to get the proper
> cultural perspective & parallax view).
>
Hey, I'm taking a semester course on that stuff! Asian Philosophy. It's
really cool. We're reading the Arabian Nights right now, the original,
filthy, X-rated version. ;)
Today we watched a little bit of this documentary on a village in Egypt. It's
a Muslim village, and it was totally fascinating to me. The way they sorta
sing in prayer sounds so beautiful.
Walter5
Lewis Saul wrote:
Shiny Beast/Bat Chain Puller is very cool -- it has a few "Don Goes For The
> Top-40 Charts" on it (Harry Irene/Love Lies), plus some really excellent
> ensemble work...
>
Uh, I thought Harry/Irene was on Bluejeans & Moonbeams, the only decent cut on which
was "The Party Of Special Things To Do".
dan the kitti man
<MPG.1072f3aa3...@news.newengland.verio.net>, r...@mk.bfd.rules
(Ron Spiegelhalter) said...
> In article <6ub6hl$ni8$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, dukeo...@ibm.net
> <dukeo...@ibm.net> mumbled something like...
> > If you can't handle the Captain, I suggest you go back to listening to the
> > Spice Girls or Poison or Kajagoogoo or whatever else gets you off.
>
> Uh, correct me if I'm wrong, but that's kind of a fucking HUGE leap, is
> it not? From Captain Beefheart to the Spice Girls? Puh-lease...
i always leap from captain beefheart to the spice girls.
and the link:
spice girls song = mama
capt. beefheart = when i see mommy i feel like a mummy
--
===== dan the kitti man === surf.to/dankitti <-- actual web url
where would the music be without the pauses between the notes?
how could there be dancing without the pauses between the
motions? how could we breathe if we were constantly filled with air?
exhale to inhale again..
-- ana voog
dan the kitti man
(Martin Higgs) said...
> hat about Pinky and Perky doing the the FZ/Bozzio parts in a
> rendition of 'Titties and Beer'. Now that would be amazing.
>
hmmm, this has nothing to do with any of that, but i was inspired to do
some ascii art:
( o Y o ) C{_}
i wonder what other zappa songs could be illustrated like that?
Eric Martin
dan the kitti man wrote in message ...
>> hat about Pinky and Perky doing the the FZ/Bozzio parts in a
>> rendition of 'Titties and Beer'. Now that would be amazing.
>>
>
>hmmm, this has nothing to do with any of that, but i was inspired to do
>some ascii art:
>
> ( o Y o ) C{_}
>
>
>i wonder what other zappa songs could be illustrated like that?
~ ~ ~
(Baby Snakes)
Eric Martin
ema...@hemisfear.com
The Iron Sausage: Zappa Interviews & Articles
http://www.hemisfear.com/zappa/
"Some terribly insightful quote that shakes the foundation of all your
beliefs."
- by Someone Who You Would Never Expect to Say Such A Thing
****************************************************************************
Ubermolch
>
>and the link:
>
>spice girls song = mama
>capt. beefheart = when i see mommy i feel like a mummy
The Spice Girls appeared in Spice World with Elvis Costello.
Elvis performed "Veronica" written in part by Paul McCartney on the album
Spike.
Paul was in The Beatles with Ringo Starr.
Ringo was in 200 Motels with Frank Zappa.
Frank's album Bongo Fury features Captain Beefheart.
--Der Ubermolch
Lewis Saul
>Mirror Man is ancient beyond belief ('65?) -- and also rocks from start to
>finish
My brother Alan
http://farcry.neurobio.pitt.edu/CB.html
informs me that MM was actually recorded in '68 and was originally supposed to
be packaged with Strictly Personal as "Comes To You In A Plain Brown Wrapper" or
something like that...
Lewis Saul
TFZMRI
http://www.mypages.com/lsaul
ls...@azstarnet.com
steal softly through sunshine
steal softly through snow
MDec500157
>Subject: Re: Trout Mask Replica why so popular? No, that's not the subject at
all....
>From: "Eric Martin" <ema...@hemisfear.com>
>Date: Thu, Sep 24, 1998 15:29 EDT
>dan the kitti man wrote in message ...
>>> hat about Pinky and Perky doing the the FZ/Bozzio parts in a
>>> rendition of 'Titties and Beer'. Now that would be amazing.
>>>
>>
>>hmmm, this has nothing to do with any of that, but i was inspired to do
>>some ascii art:
>>
>> ( o Y o ) C{_}
>>
>>
>>i wonder what other zappa songs could be illustrated like that?
>
>
>
>~ ~ ~
>(Baby Snakes)
>
>Eric Martin
'
Man, that was WAY too easy.
Mike
mukamuk
>>>'Titties and Beer'
>>> ( o Y o ) C{_}
>>>
>>>i wonder what other zappa songs could be illustrated like that?
>>
>>
>>~ ~ ~
>>(Baby Snakes)
>>
>>Eric Martin
>
>'
>Man, that was WAY too easy.
>
>Mike
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