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Hugh Hinskens

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Mar 16, 2002, 7:36:46 PM3/16/02
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I was the winning bidder in an Ebay auction for Zappa's Old Masters
Box Set 3:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1501313693. I sent
the money order to Donna Warman of Martinsville Indiana over two
months ago and never received the records. She has sold a lot of Zappa
merchandise on Ebay and had 60 positive feedback replies, but she
ripped me off. She won't answer emails and her phone is cut off. If
anybody has any information about her I would greatly appreciate it.
This is also a warning to anybody else considering doing business with
her. Thanks very much for your help. I can be reached at
ripp...@camosun.bc.ca

Hugh Hinskens

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Mar 16, 2002, 7:45:26 PM3/16/02
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My email address wasn't properly set in that last message. Please
reply to this one for the correct reply-to address. Thanks.

On Sun, 17 Mar 2002 00:36:46 GMT, hu...@vicnet.net (Hugh Hinskens)
wrote:

Bjørn M Bruun

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Mar 16, 2002, 8:00:16 PM3/16/02
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"Hugh Hinskens" <hu...@vicnet.net> skrev i melding
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It looks like she is no longer a registered user, so you may not
be able to leave feedback.
You should make a fraud claim to ebay, I believe they
have some sort of insurance against fraud.

I guess I have been lucky bidding on Ebay. I have close to
200 winning bids, and only two bad experience with people
ripping me off.

Bjorn Bruun, Norway.


Hugh Hinskens

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Mar 16, 2002, 8:13:53 PM3/16/02
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I have already filed a fraud complaint, but that only gets me back a
little over half my money if I'm approved because they don't reimburse
shipping and there's a $25 deductible. I'm hoping someone in Indiana
reads this and can help a fellow Zappa fan out with some info. I'm
going to pursue her any way I legally can.

On Sun, 17 Mar 2002 01:00:16 GMT, "Bjørn M Bruun" <bjoe...@online.no>
wrote:

Stu Mark

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Mar 16, 2002, 8:26:10 PM3/16/02
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Hugh Hinskens at hu...@vicnet.net wrote on 3/16/02 4:36 PM:

Do you still have her address?

D Warman
5740 State Road 142
Martinsville, IN 46151-9593
(765)349-8225

If that's it, why not contact the the District Attorney's office and ask
them for assistance.

Here's the info for the Morgan County Courthouse, which should be a decent
place to get info.

http://www.scican.net/~sup3/morgan.html

Morgan County Court House
PO Box 1556
Martinsville, Indiana 46151
phone: (765) 342-1040
fax: (765) 349-5504

Good luck!

Stu
(who thinks that hiding is lame)

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Zappa

JWB

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Mar 16, 2002, 11:41:34 PM3/16/02
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"Hugh Hinskens" <ripp...@camosun.bc.ca> wrote in message news:3c93ed1c.31749043@news...

> I have already filed a fraud complaint, but that only gets me back a
> little over half my money if I'm approved because they don't reimburse
> shipping and there's a $25 deductible. I'm hoping someone in Indiana
> reads this and can help a fellow Zappa fan out with some info. I'm
> going to pursue her any way I legally can.

Maybe she's dead? That's always a possibility.


- JWB


Larry F

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Mar 17, 2002, 11:40:43 PM3/17/02
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"Bjørn M Bruun" <bjoe...@online.no> wrote in message
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Wanna buy some pencils?

>
> Bjorn Bruun, Norway.
>
>


0vercooked

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Mar 20, 2002, 12:07:51 AM3/20/02
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What could someone in Indiana do that you couldn't do?

ripp...@camosun.bc.ca

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Mar 20, 2002, 10:16:42 PM3/20/02
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Maybe tell me where the hell she is, or provide a phone number or
address for her as another helpful poster already has. I'm in another
country.

On Wed, 20 Mar 2002 05:07:51 GMT, 0vercooked <0verc...@comcast.net>
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0vercooked

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Mar 20, 2002, 11:39:47 PM3/20/02
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On Thu, 21 Mar 2002 03:16:42 GMT, ripp...@camosun.bc.ca wrote:

>Maybe tell me where the hell she is, or provide a phone number or
>address for her as another helpful poster already has. I'm in another
>country.

This is the only D Warman in Martinsville, IN phone book. It is the
same one as in Stu's post.

On Sun, 17 Mar 2002 01:26:10 GMT, Stu Mark <stu...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

Fastbulb

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Mar 20, 2002, 11:41:02 PM3/20/02
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>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1501313693. I sent
>> the money order to Donna Warman of Martinsville Indiana over two
>> months ago and never received the records

Hmmm. I live about twenty minutes from there. Yez want I should find 'er and
have Rudy break her kneecaps?


Michael Gula

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Mar 20, 2002, 11:53:07 PM3/20/02
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0vercooked wrote:

> >Do you still have her address?

(snip)

It's not nice to post someone's address on the net. Especially
since no one knows for certain whose address it really is.

Stu Mark

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Mar 21, 2002, 11:00:29 AM3/21/02
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Michael Gula at mike...@erols.com wrote on 3/20/02 8:53 PM:

Let us discuss this for a moment, as I'm the criminal in this case. Is it a
crime to post information that is readily available on another public site?
If the text is already public, what's the harm in placing it in another
public setting?

Stu
(who would never intentionally perform a harmful act)

NP: November Suite by Robert Fripp

Charles Ulrich

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Mar 21, 2002, 12:06:05 PM3/21/02
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In article <B8BF42C1.20936%stu...@earthlink.net>,
Stu Mark <stu...@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Michael Gula at mike...@erols.com wrote on 3/20/02 8:53 PM:
>

> > It's not nice to post someone's address on the net. Especially
> > since no one knows for certain whose address it really is.
>
> Let us discuss this for a moment, as I'm the criminal in this case. Is it a
> crime to post information that is readily available on another public site?
> If the text is already public, what's the harm in placing it in another
> public setting?

First, he didn't say it was criminal, merely un-nice.

The address in question was available on the internet, but only if one
went looking for it. One would have to know the person's name and
possibly location. When you posted it, the address is available out in
the open, in a venue never authorized by the individual. Moreover, in
this particular case, it was placed in a context that might suggest it
was socially acceptable to harass the person.

It would have been better simply to send the address to the inquiring
party by private e-mail. Same thing with Jon's lost trader.

--Charles

Stu Mark

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Mar 21, 2002, 12:22:38 PM3/21/02
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Charles Ulrich at ulr...@sfu.ca wrote on 3/21/02 9:06 AM:

> The address in question was available on the internet, but only if one
> went looking for it. One would have to know the person's name and
> possibly location. When you posted it, the address is available out in
> the open, in a venue never authorized by the individual. Moreover, in
> this particular case, it was placed in a context that might suggest it
> was socially acceptable to harass the person.

Certainly that was not my intent, especially as the folks who were looking
for the info did not seem to have harassment leanings.

> It would have been better simply to send the address to the inquiring
> party by private e-mail. Same thing with Jon's lost trader.

Fair enough.

Stu
(who tries to learn whenever he can)

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0vercooked

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Mar 21, 2002, 9:17:09 PM3/21/02
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On Thu, 21 Mar 2002 17:22:38 GMT, Stu Mark <stu...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

>Charles Ulrich at ulr...@sfu.ca wrote on 3/21/02 9:06 AM:

OK, I also apologize.

Michael Gula

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Mar 23, 2002, 10:36:38 AM3/23/02
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Stu Mark wrote:
>
> Michael Gula at mike...@erols.com wrote on 3/20/02 8:53 PM:
>
> >>> Do you still have her address?
> >
> > (snip)
> >
> > It's not nice to post someone's address on the net. Especially
> > since no one knows for certain whose address it really is.
>
> Let us discuss this for a moment, as I'm the criminal in this case. Is it a
> crime to post information that is readily available on another public site?
> If the text is already public, what's the harm in placing it in another
> public setting?

IANAL

A lawsuit based on the re-publishing of already
publicly-available information seems unlikely to succeed.

There is a New Mexico case in which a newspaper, pissed off at a
police officer for failing to cooperate in connection with a hot
news story, published his name and home address in the paper.
The officer sued, but did not prevail.

According to the Restatement of Torts (Second), one's privacy may
be invaded by
(1) an intrusion upon that person's seclusion,
(2) appropriation of his name or likeness,
(3) publicity to his private life, or
(4) publicity placing him in a false light.

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