Patrick O'Hearn
Kevin C. Martin
How does Patrick O'Hearn rank against the likes of Stanley Clarke and/or
Jaco Pastorius? I'm talking about technique and reputation/status
amongst other bassists in the biz. Any thoughts from those in-the-know?
--
Kevin C. Martin
Ottawa,ON
Canada
http://www.comnet.ca/~kcmartin
Gary Worsham
Kevin C. Martin wrote:
>
> How does Patrick O'Hearn rank against the likes of Stanley Clarke and/or
> Jaco Pastorius? I'm talking about technique and reputation/status
> amongst other bassists in the biz. Any thoughts from those in-the-know?
> --
Am I "in-the-Know?" ahh, well anyway....
I like Pat's solo on "The Ocean is the Ultimate Solution". On "Purple
Lagoon", he seems to be grandstanding with limited musical effect.
Apparently he had some credibility in the jazz world before hooking up
with FZ. After that, Missing Persons, and his own solo albums (which
have about zero in the way of interesting bass playing) lead me to
believe that Pat hissownself did not care too much about being a bass
player and has about no reputation as a result.
Gary
sha...@webspan.net
Gary Worsham wrote:
>
> Kevin C. Martin wrote:
> >
> > How does Patrick O'Hearn rank against the likes of Stanley Clarke and/or
> > Jaco Pastorius? I'm talking about technique and reputation/status
> > amongst other bassists in the biz. Any thoughts from those in-the-know?
> > --
>
> I like Pat's solo on "The Ocean is the Ultimate Solution". On "Purple
> Lagoon", he seems to be grandstanding with limited musical effect.
>
> Apparently he had some credibility in the jazz world before hooking up
> with FZ. After that, Missing Persons, and his own solo albums (which
> have about zero in the way of interesting bass playing) lead me to
> believe that Pat hissownself did not care too much about being a bass
> player and has about no reputation as a result.
I love the "Purple Lagoon" solo. Back in '76 and '77 (I hope I remember
this with some accuracy), O'Hearn was parceled out his solo spot by
Frank as what was supposed to be some kind of "Rock Star-type" bass
solo. The "grandstanding" as is described above would be what Frank
wanted. That is my take.
As for Missing Persons and his solo projects, Patrick O'Hearn is a great
bass player, playing within the purvue of those genres (techno-pop and
New Age, respectively). He has been quoted recently that he would like
to put together an album in a different direction, perhaps with Terry
Ted Bozzio. I, for one, eagerly await that endeavor.
What I find most impressive about the beautiful playing of Patrick
O'Heran is his MELODIC approach to some of his bass lines. He has a
melodic bottom. He also has a syncopated funk that makes my spinal chord
tingle. And that's even with some Missing Person's songs!
For me, he is the BEST of what Bill Wyman and Paul McCartney have to
offer, as well as Nathan East, Ron Carter (I have a bootleg of Patrick
O'Hearn AND Tony Williams, recorded in Europe -- but I don't know when),
Stanley Clarke, Jaco P., Jonas Helborg (who is now having apoplexy
whether or not there are too many notes), John Pattatucci, the guy from
the Brother's Johnson, the guy from Sly and the Family Stone (one of the
first string poppers), et al.
Melodic, soulful, and hypnotic! I like what Patrick O'Hearn has to
offer. I just wish there were more of the jazz/fusion stuff so I could
really be thrilled.
--
Daniel
'Jaco' B. Timpe
On Sat, 18 Jan 1997, Kevin C. Martin wrote:
> How does Patrick O'Hearn rank against the likes of Stanley Clarke and/or
> Jaco Pastorius? I'm talking about technique and reputation/status
> amongst other bassists in the biz. Any thoughts from those in-the-know?
All the stuff I've ever heard from O'Hearn has been with FZ, I'd love to
hear stuff he's done outside of Frank's. As far as I'm concerned, Patrick
burns it up in a big way. His speed and accuracy on an upright is just
incredible. The only other cat I've heard that is as technical and fast
is John Patitucci (on upright).
-Timpe
"Our endless caresses for freedom of life everlasting"
Bob Wilson
beyong belief. the Best bass player I've ever heard, and I'm a bass
player.
fzdo...@aol.com
In article <32E9B0...@texnet.net>, Bob Wilson <bwi...@texnet.net>
writes:
>Patrick O'Hearn was great, even awesome, but Scott Thunes was great
>beyong belief. the Best bass player I've ever heard, and I'm a bass
>player.
Despite the fact that he trivialized FZ's guitar playing (from what I
heard), I'd have to say that Jeff Berlin definitely ranks as one of the
best. He does some amazing stuff on the Bruford albums (and yes, albums
includes CDs!). Other fave bass players of mine include Tony Levin, Geddy
Lee, and Flea.
Wait, this is affz isn't it? Sorry!
As you were.
MUSIC IS THE BEST! - fz
Mark (the) Fzdolfan
"...you can keep my things, they've come to take me home."
pg - "Solsbury Hill"
William Galbraith
Patrick now lives in Lithia Springs Ga (with his Ga peach wife). He
has put out @7 solo releases over the years - mainly keyboards, some
bass (awesome of course !!), look in the jazz/new age section . . .
Bob Wilson <bwi...@texnet.net> wrote:
>'Jaco' B. Timpe wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 18 Jan 1997, Kevin C. Martin wrote:
>>
>> > How does Patrick O'Hearn rank against the likes of Stanley Clarke and/or
>> > Jaco Pastorius? I'm talking about technique and reputation/status
>> > amongst other bassists in the biz. Any thoughts from those in-the-know?
>>
>> All the stuff I've ever heard from O'Hearn has been with FZ, I'd love to
>> hear stuff he's done outside of Frank's. As far as I'm concerned, Patrick
>> burns it up in a big way. His speed and accuracy on an upright is just
>> incredible. The only other cat I've heard that is as technical and fast
>> is John Patitucci (on upright).
>>
>> -Timpe
>>
>> "Our endless caresses for freedom of life everlasting"
Gary Worsham
sha...@webspan.net wrote:
>
> I want to hear with your ears. If you could tell me what to listen for
> in Scott Thunes' bass playing so that I could have the level of
> appreciation for him as you do, I would like that. I'm guessing that it
> has to do with rhythemical elements and statistical density that I'm not
> picking up on. And also, maybe what I'm not paying close enough
> attention is the interplay between Scott and FZ because Scott would
> actually LISTEN closely to what Frank was playing, where Frank was
> going, and anticipate and play his lines so that they would accompany
> and compliment Zappa's solos.
>
> Am I in the right direction, or am I still missing the boat?
>
Well once again I'm just guessing, but I think what Scott had going was
more of a personality thing. His bass playing is fine, but he pretty
much sticks to the groove, y'know. I think he stays in the zone that FZ
had defined for bass players: play the ROOT on the first beat of the
measure. FZ's band in general was not a great place for bass
showing-off.
Scott keeps it together and displays a sense of humor but not all that
much as far as a distinctive style.
Gary
}8^{*
schil...@iol.it
My (stupid) ranking order of bass player in the last 20 years:
1- Pastorious
2-Jeff Berlin
3-Patrick O'hearn
but don't forget: Miroslav Vitous and Scott Thunes.
Schillogeno, Milan
RevSmiley
Timpe wrote:
> The only other cat I've heard that is as technical and fast
>is John Patitucci (on upright).
Patitucci w/ chick's akoustic band was exellent, but IMHO the baddest
mother on an upright has to be the late great Charles Mingus,Wish he'd
done some tracks with FZ.
sha...@webspan.net
Bob Wilson wrote:
> Patrick O'Hearn was great, even awesome, but Scott Thunes was great
> beyong belief. the Best bass player I've ever heard, and I'm a bass
> player.
I'm not a bass player. I'm a guitarist. More than that, I'm a Zappa
Music (as opposed to those who are only in it for this song and comedy)
fan. My favorite FZ genre is with Bozzio and O'Hearn (with Adrian Belew,
to be more specific).
I want to hear with your ears. If you could tell me what to listen for
in Scott Thunes' bass playing so that I could have the level of
appreciation for him as you do, I would like that. I'm guessing that it
has to do with rhythemical elements and statistical density that I'm not
picking up on. And also, maybe what I'm not paying close enough
attention is the interplay between Scott and FZ because Scott would
actually LISTEN closely to what Frank was playing, where Frank was
going, and anticipate and play his lines so that they would accompany
and compliment Zappa's solos.
Am I in the right direction, or am I still missing the boat?
I love O'Hearn's melodic/Joco-esque style, even the Misiing persons
stuff and New Age/Ambiant stuff. What I love the most is his funk and
fusion.
--
Daniel
sco...@ohsu.edu
schil...@iol.it writes:
Jonas Hellborg is a pretty good bass player, just ask him, he'll tell you.
Bunny Brunel is pretty great. Jimmy (Flim) Johnson can rip it up. Pino
Palladino is pretty cool. Stanley Clarke was there pretty early, Jack Bruce
even earlier. - S.
Taylor Martin
On the subject of bass players in FZ's bands.
The most underated and one of the best improvisers in my opinion is Roy
Estrada. I saw him 3 or 4 times in the 70's with Bozio and Andre Lewis,
& Brock, I think, and he cracked me up everytime with how good he was.
After all, he was an original in Little Feat and that was no small band
to play the backbeat bass for.
Plus one night he cracked up Frank by loading his mouth up with cole
slaw right before "I'm the Slime". He let lose all over the stage, when
Frank went "I'm the slime oozing out of your TV set". Frank couldn't
even get back to where he was in the song he was laughing so hard.
Taylor Martin
Peter ™berg
O'Hearn is my all time favorite among bass players.
What a cool sound, and I really like Patrick's tonal language.
Too bad the guy almost stopped playing bass that way when forming
Missing Persons and doing that dreamlike music of his own.
I also appreciate Arthur Barrow but I'm surprised to see so
many ranking Scott Thunes as their favorite. The guy isn't bad
(Check out Sunrise Redeemer on Guitar)
and I do like what he did together with FZ 81/82.
But later the guy turned more into doing crazy things on stage
and I think that affected his playing as well. In 84 and 88 his
playing got less beautiful and he turned into a more joking attitude
even in his playing.
Although the combination Wackerman/Thunes have turned up with a lot
of enjoyable stuff during the 80's, sometimes I ask myself "Where's
the groove (the thing that Vinnie really could do. Shut
Up...a masterpiece)
P
John Henley
Taylor Martin <kaz...@aol.com> wrote:
>The most underated and one of the best improvisers in my opinion is Roy
>Estrada. I saw him 3 or 4 times in the 70's with Bozio and Andre Lewis,
>& Brock, I think, and he cracked me up everytime with how good he was.
>After all, he was an original in Little Feat and that was no small band
>to play the backbeat bass for.
I agree entirely. Roy was a great utility player for Frank
who could do most anything FZ asked of him. It's not just
Little Feat that impresses but his involvement in that 1975
Asian tour, where FZ had a band in which it seems to me
everyone was up there with _nothing_ to hide behind.
If that's Roy playing bass on Uncle Meat's "Prelude to King Kong"
then my case is closed. _You_ try playing that pattern for nearly
5 minutes straight.
John Henley
Kurt Nordwell P500
sco...@ohsu.edu wrote:
>
> schil...@iol.it writes:
>
> >My (stupid) ranking order of bass player in the last 20 years:
>
> >1- Pastorious
> >2-Jeff Berlin
> >3-Patrick O'hearn
>
> >but don't forget: Miroslav Vitous and Scott Thunes.
> >Schillogeno, Milan
>
Peace,
Kurt
Patrick David Neve
On 28 Jan 1997, Peter =99berg wrote:
> O'Hearn is my all time favorite among bass players.=20
He's great, no doubt about it. But my "desert island fantasy band bass=20
player" would be Barrow without question.
'Jaco' B. Timpe
Mingus... oh boy. He did things that effect my equilibrium in odd ways.
I love his stuff.
-Brian
Fishbait4
My belief that the greatest bass player that played with Frank Zappa (with
respects to all of the others Roy Estrada, Scott Thunes, Tom Fowler,
Patrick O'Hearn,) was Max Bennett. It's a true shame that he only got a
chance to play with Frank on Hot Rats and part of Chunga's Revenge. Him
(combined with John Guerin) created a pefect backbeat to the demented
cartoon jazz of "Son of Mr. Green Genes" and added an amazing layer of
beauty to the spellbounding "It Must Be a Camel''. His bass playing
sounds like a seperate composition.
Charles Ulrich
In article <19970210210...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
fish...@aol.com (Fishbait4) wrote:
Max Bennett is also heard on Studio Tan/Läther ("Let Me Take You To The
Beach") and The Lost Episodes ("Lil Clanton Shuffle" and "Sharleena").
He "toured" with FZ in the Hot Rats ensemble, who are known to have played
at least two gigs, one of which was widely bootlegged. ("Directly From My
Heart To You" and "Twinkle Tits" are on Apocrypha.)
I've been hoping that some bass or drum expert would identify the rhythm
section playing behind Sugarcane Harris on "Directly From My Heart To You"
(Weasels Ripped My Flesh version) and "Little House I Used To Live In"
(Burnt Weeny Sandwich version). Were these performed by the Hot Rats
ensemble (Bennett and Dunbar are not credited on either album, but we know
what that's worth), or did Sugarcane also play with the
Estrada/Black/Tripp Mothers?
--Charles
danki...@aol.com
Now that we are discussing bass players, what about Jaco Pastorius? I
have seen several Jaco Pastorius CDs, and the liner notes of one, I think
it was Live In Italy, mentions the large number of Jaco Pastorius
releases, mostly with bad sound quality. The liner notes go on to say
something like "This CD was recorded on real equiptment, not a walkman"
suggesting that it might have better sound quality.
What are your favorite Jaco Pastorius albums, solo and *with* Weather
Report?
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Gary Worsham
danki...@aol.com wrote:
>
>
> What are your favorite Jaco Pastorius albums, solo and *with* Weather
> Report?
>
I give his eponymous (that means it's named after him, sorry to be so
erudite) first solo LP.
It has exquisite bass solos (unaccompanied), some be-bop kinda stuff and
even some soul stuff with Sam and Dave!!!!
I also like Weather Report Black Market (with Chester Thompson) and
Heavy Weather.
Gary W.
}8^{*
Biffyshrew
Gary Worsham <gswo...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>I give his eponymous (that means it's named after him, sorry to be so
>erudite) first solo LP.
"Eponymous" is another one of those more-often-than-not misused words,
thanks to millions of semi-literate rock critics who have instilled in the
public the notion that it means "named after the artist." Actually the
"eponym" is the person who has something named after him, not the other
way around. Thus, Greggery Peccary is the EPONYMOUS hero of FZ's "The
Adventures Of Greggery Peccary." OTOH, the Beatles self-titled "white
album" is NOT eponymous.
Just thought I'd toss this in before Paul Hinrichs beat me to it.
Your pal,
Biffy the Elephant Shrew @}-`--}----
Information on THE BRANDNEWBUG CONCERTOS (voted the 606th best album
of all time!) at http://users.aol.com/biffyshrew/biffy.html
Think global, act loco.
CHRISTOPHER AUSTIN
In article <330168...@earthlink.net>,
Gary Worsham <gswo...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>danki...@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>
>> What are your favorite Jaco Pastorius albums, solo and *with* Weather
>> Report?
>>
>
>erudite) first solo LP.
AMEN. Jaco's Donna Lee on this LP has become THE Donna Lee for most jazz
musicians I play with. Other exquisite work from Jaco are
from _Heavy Weather_ : Teen Town (of course)
Havona
from _Black Market_ : Barbary Coast (intro bars are killer)
from _Mr.Gone_ (but don't buy this!) : Punk Jazz, Pinocchio...
Joni Mitchell's _Mingus_ has lots of beautiful stuff from Jaco too
gee, now that I think of it, Metheney's Bright Size Life also features some
brilliant Jaco stuff...somebody stop me before I turn this group into
Jaco-L...
Chris A
Mark Edmonds
In article <19970212143...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, Biffyshrew
<biffy...@aol.com> writes
>"Eponymous" is another one of those more-often-than-not misused words,
>thanks to millions of semi-literate rock critics who have instilled in the
>public the notion that it means "named after the artist." Actually the
>"eponym" is the person who has something named after him, not the other
>way around. Thus, Greggery Peccary is the EPONYMOUS hero of FZ's "The
>Adventures Of Greggery Peccary." OTOH, the Beatles self-titled "white
>album" is NOT eponymous.
>
>Just thought I'd toss this in before Paul Hinrichs beat me to it.
>
>Your pal,
>Biffy the Elephant Shrew @}-`--}----
>Information on THE BRANDNEWBUG CONCERTOS (voted the 606th best album
>of all time!) at http://users.aol.com/biffyshrew/biffy.html
>Think global, act loco.
Whilst we are in an educational mood, what is ebonics?
Pardon my stupidity.
Mark Edmonds,
London.
Alan Stecher
danki...@aol.com wrote:
>
> Now that we are discussing bass players, what about Jaco Pastorius? I
> have seen several Jaco Pastorius CDs, and the liner notes of one, I think
> it was Live In Italy, mentions the large number of Jaco Pastorius
> releases, mostly with bad sound quality. The liner notes go on to say
> something like "This CD was recorded on real equiptment, not a walkman"
> suggesting that it might have better sound quality.
There were several releases under the "Live in NYC" header that were in
fact recorded in a club with a Sony WMD6C - they are only recommended for
the completist. This "Live In Italy" is, if I recall, a trio with guitarist
Bireli LaGrene recorded in 1986. An interesting lineup, but not an example
of Jaco at his best.
> What are your favorite Jaco Pastorius albums, solo and *with* Weather
> Report?
The recently released Jaco Pastorius: The Birthday Concert, recorded on
Jaco's 30th B-Day (12.1.81) is a very nice big band project, well-produced
and with excellent playing all around.
For Weather Report, I would recommend 8:30 and Night Passage most highly
(but really you should buy it all =)).
"...now if you'll excuse me, I must be on my way..."
alan
Gary Worsham
Boy, the minnit I tries to be inteleckshewall some guy in an orange
T-shirt comes along and puts me in MY place! (sob, sniffle)...
Gary
Biffyshrew wrote:
>
> Gary Worsham <gswo...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >I give his eponymous (that means it's named after him, sorry to be so
> >erudite) first solo LP.
>
Paul Hinrichs
biffy...@aol.com (Biffyshrew) wrote:
>"Eponymous" is another one of those more-often-than-not misused words,
>thanks to millions of semi-literate rock critics who have instilled in the
>public the notion that it means "named after the artist." Actually the
>"eponym" is the person who has something named after him, not the other
>way around. Thus, Greggery Peccary is the EPONYMOUS hero of FZ's "The
>Adventures Of Greggery Peccary." OTOH, the Beatles self-titled "white
>album" is NOT eponymous.
>Just thought I'd toss this in before Paul Hinrichs beat me to it.
Then "epanonymous" is an eponym of "anonymous"? What about the
Platypus? (which, BTW, is the only monotreme other than an echidna)
It's a schlippery schlope we aschend betweenscht the cup and lip
schtick once we start playing with our words - I gotta quit or go
blind! It's got me on the cusp of the dilemma about my little leg,
Emma.
(you were much easier on him than I woulda been)
Paul Hinrichs
Mark Edmonds <mm...@mmje.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Whilst we are in an educational mood, what is ebonics?
>Pardon my stupidity.
It was a sham created by the US press to create uninformed hysteria in
the masses and divert attention from the fact that the leading
politicians of both major politiical parties are hopelessly corrupt.
The idea is to focus on the imagined excesses of immigrants and
minorities while confusing the issues of guilt in Washington. This
siphons off anger and makes us more accepting of the "mistakes were
made, I apologize" mea culpas we've come to expect from them and is
much less disruptive than a complete collapse of the government. In
this case, the press reported that some school in LA was gonna offer
credit for black slang and street talk as a "second language" in order
to qualify for more federal funds. The secret word for this "second
language" was "Ebonics". In reality, the thrust of the program was to
have the teachers gain a better understanding of these dialects in
order to improve classroom communication, but there's not outrageous
or sensational about that so nobody even bothered to print a
retraction. Besides, by then both Clinton and Gingrich had managed to
extract their dicks from the wringer and had them amply healed to do
what they are used to doing to the American electorate, using an
ancient body language for which no new word is needed.
Patrick David Neve
>
> Whilst we are in an educational mood, what is ebonics?
> Pardon my stupidity.
Dat dere id perhaps de questium most frequently posed by members of
yo' species!
-splat
dave lane
Paul Hinrichs wrote:
Now, don't you go gettin' onanymous on us.
--Dave
ryan kimmet
Alan Stecher (al...@netone.com) wrote:
I find Jaco's work on the NY series to be spectacular. Especially on
the one (I'm not sure which volume) where he plays with guitarist
Hiram Bullock and Drummer Kenwood Dennard. This is insane
musicianship. I like to call it Prog-Jazz.
Speaking of good bass players, what do you think of Victor Wooten and
the band he plays with, Bela Fleck and the Flecktones? These guys are
amazing in my opinion and definately worth seeing live many times.
--
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danki...@aol.com
>I give his eponymous (that means it's named after him, sorry to be so
>erudite) first solo LP.
I thought that means Jean-Luc Pony plays on it.
Biffy the Elephant Shrew
Gary Worsham wrote:
>
> Boy, the minnit I tries to be inteleckshewall some guy in an orange
> T-shirt comes along and puts me in MY place! (sob, sniffle)...
Actually, today it's a gunmetal-gray shirt with a
black/gray/blue/white paisley tie.
Your pal,
Biffy the Elephant Shrew
http://users.aol.com/biffyshrew/biffy.html
Shit! Goddamn! Get off your ass and jam!--Bill Clinton (I think)
Fred H. Banta
paul...@mindspring.com (Paul Hinrichs) said, :
>Mark Edmonds <mm...@mmje.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>Whilst we are in an educational mood, what is ebonics?
>>Pardon my stupidity.
>It was a sham created by the US press to create uninformed hysteria in
I thought the term originated with the Oakland school board. It is
supposedly a combination of the words ebony (black) and phonics
(acoustics) as a new term for black American dialect (e.g., Martin
Lawrence, Ice T, Ice Cube, Richard Pryor, Eddie Murphy, etc etc etc).
It seems to me that the story was exploited by the press to a very
large degree because we Americans devour anything that reveals the
depths of our society’s cultural fragmentation.
>the masses and divert attention from the fact that the leading
>politicians of both major politiical parties are hopelessly corrupt.
>The idea is to focus on the imagined excesses of immigrants and
>minorities while confusing the issues of guilt in Washington. This
>siphons off anger and makes us more accepting of the "mistakes were
>made, I apologize" mea culpas we've come to expect from them and is
>much less disruptive than a complete collapse of the government. In
This assumes that our government’s Machiavellianism is more effective
that I believe it is. The Clinton administration did indeed try to
cash in on this by having a press conference to address the issue. Why
they felt they had to meddle in this when they did is beyond me.
>this case, the press reported that some school in LA was gonna offer
>credit for black slang and street talk as a "second language" in order
>to qualify for more federal funds. The secret word for this "second
>language" was "Ebonics". In reality, the thrust of the program was to
>have the teachers gain a better understanding of these dialects in
>order to improve classroom communication....
Exactly. This should have been the central focus of the story instead
of all that other sociopolitical spew that the media so generously
dished out. Speaking of spew, were you aware of the riot in China
that claimed upwards of 300 lives which occurred last week while we
were busy focusing on OJ Simpson? We am a sick-ass bunch of
super-freaky beeaatiches if you axe me.
Fred H. Banta
Daniel Norris
Arrugh!! I'm being haunted by the ghosts of my past misspellings!!
Pretty soon there'll be new jokes about "Fillmore East, June 1917," too!
Souixie
David F Lynch
Paul Hinrichs (paul...@mindspring.com) wrote:
:
: Then "epanonymous" is an eponym of "anonymous"? What about the
: Platypus? (which, BTW, is the only monotreme other than an echidna)
Merely my least favourite track on Mr. Bungle's supremely excellent
album, _Disco Volante_.
: It's a schlippery schlope we aschend betweenscht the cup and lip
: schtick once we start playing with our words - I gotta quit or go
: blind! It's got me on the cusp of the dilemma about my little leg,
: Emma.
I like it when you play your cusps like that.
: (you were much easier on him than I woulda been)
Yeah, but I bet you woulda planted a tree in his honour on All Souls'
Day.
--
Dave (not David) Lynch/Mutant Uebergeek etc./Founder, Church of Eternal Man
dfly...@homer.louisville.edu/"Yo como hamon y queso bocadillo!"-Neil Peart
ObObsoleteHomepage:http://www.rlabs.com/lynch|(.)(.)|Please email followups
PERFECT SLACK FOREVER/ROUND THINGS ARE BORING/I'M SERIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
David F Lynch
Mark Edmonds (mm...@mmje.demon.co.uk) wrote:
:
: Whilst we are in an educational mood, what is ebonics?
The pre-manufactured Debate of the Month (tm), in which the US media
gets its citizens to argue about under which contexts it is appropriate
to teach the word "dissing" in classrooms, thereby distracting them
from the fact that the world is, in general, an immense ball of shit.
: Pardon my stupidity.
"Ignorance has a certain charm- stupidity does not."- FZ
Rich
On Wed, 12 Feb 1997, Biffy the Elephant Shrew wrote:
> Gary Worsham wrote:
> >
> > Boy, the minnit I tries to be inteleckshewall some guy in an orange
> > T-shirt comes along and puts me in MY place! (sob, sniffle)...
>
> Actually, today it's a gunmetal-gray shirt with a
> black/gray/blue/white paisley tie.
>
er....did you get dressed in the dark?
only joking, i'm sure it looks very fetching
danki...@aol.com
>Then "epanonymous" is an eponym of "anonymous"? What about the
>Platypus? (which, BTW, is the only monotreme other than an echidna)
>It's a schlippery schlope
Paul Hinrichs would be eponymous if he was named after something. Like a dance? Get on your feet and do the Funky Paul Hinrichs!
If he was anonymous, and he was named after something, he would be epanonymous.
The Platypus might be the Schmesbian Platypus.
The schlippery schlope of the schmesbian schmeagull might be eponymous too.
.....whereupon the door closes violently!
Later, it was discovered that green rosettas were being sold by Mr. Gone at Teen Town on the black market. But attendance was poor due to the heavy weather.
(Teen Town is a teen dance club)
RELATED QUESTION: Could FZ's Teen Town be the same as Jaco's Teen Town? I must apologize for bringing this thread back onto topic. :(
danki...@aol.com
In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.970212...@gladstone.uoregon.edu>, Patrick David Neve <sp...@gladstone.uoregon.edu> writes:
>> Whilst we are in an educational mood, what is ebonics?
>> Pardon my stupidity.
>
>Dat dere id perhaps de questium most frequently posed by members of
>yo' species!
yo wassup. yo is IGNINT? well, dat's enuf o' dat wimp and his conceptium er reality.
This concludes today's Ebonics Moment. We now return you to your regularly scheduled newsgroup, already in progress.
Richard C Williams
> >>Pardon my stupidity.
>
> >politicians of both major politiical parties are hopelessly corrupt.
> >The idea is to focus on the imagined excesses of immigrants and
> >minorities while confusing the issues of guilt in Washington. This
> >siphons off anger and makes us more accepting of the "mistakes were
> >made, I apologize" mea culpas we've come to expect from them and is
> >much less disruptive than a complete collapse of the government. In
> >credit for black slang and street talk as a "second language" in order
> >to qualify for more federal funds. The secret word for this "second
> >language" was "Ebonics". In reality, the thrust of the program was to
> >have the teachers gain a better understanding of these dialects in
> >order to improve classroom communication....
Hmm, probably the best crystallization of the issue I've read, but it
should be noted, that the majority of the Oakland
teachers/administrators are African-American, do they really need
funding to better understand their own children? Sounds like another
case of civil servants(albeit with PHD's) with too much free time on
their hands.
Paul Hinrichs
Richard C Williams <Punk...@ziplink.net> wrote:
>Hmm, probably the best crystallization of the issue I've read, but it
>should be noted, that the majority of the Oakland
>teachers/administrators are African-American, do they really need
>funding to better understand their own children? Sounds like another
>case of civil servants(albeit with PHD's) with too much free time on
>their hands.
Thanks. It should also be noted that there is a certain segment of our
population addicted to outrage and the media throws them a red herring
every once in a while to help keep the ratings up. Truth and
perspective do not sell newspapers, but sensationalism does. No one
ever got a high rating for a retraction, so they're basically
throwaways. Bury 'em on page 8, right there with the tractor pull
updates and stories about old farts for Willard Scott.
Biffy the Elephant Shrew
Hey...all the Girls In The Office (you know, Gladys, Wanda, Ms.
Snodgrass...) said I looked "spiffy."
Your pal,
Biffy the Elephant Shrew
visit me at http://users.aol.com/biffyshrew/biffy.html
tan pants, rose shirt, white/silver/maroon paisley tie
(none of this is true; I'm an animal, I naturally go naked)
Gary Worsham
Well, I just realized that if you move the "E" to the end, you get
ponymouse, which in the grander schscheme of thingsh, i.e. pony=pigs and
ponies, electric cooled pony harness, etc, whereas mouse=the mouse on
the Studio Tan cover, official or not, also the mouse might have been
very interested in the voice of cheese, my mind is failing me here, but
well you know that does prove it.
Who is DADA?
Jean-Luc Pony, indeed! Hmmmppphhh!
Gary
}8^{*
Paul Hinrichs wrote:
>
>
> Then "epanonymous" is an eponym of "anonymous"? What about the
> Platypus? (which, BTW, is the only monotreme other than an echidna)
> It's a schlippery schlope we aschend betweenscht the cup and lip
> schtick once we start playing with our words - I gotta quit or go
> blind! It's got me on the cusp of the dilemma about my little leg,
> Emma.
>
Biffyshrew
Gary Worsham <gswo...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Well, I just realized that if you move the "E" to the end, you get
>ponymouse, which in the grander schscheme of thingsh, i.e. pony=pigs and
>ponies, electric cooled pony harness, etc, whereas mouse=the mouse on
>the Studio Tan cover, official or not, also the mouse might have been
>very interested in the voice of cheese, my mind is failing me here, but
>well you know that does prove it.
This is excellent! I like this so much I'm changing my name.
Your pal,
Biffy the Pony Mouse @}-`--}----
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Paul Hinrichs
biffy...@aol.com (Biffyshrew) wrote:
>Gary Worsham <gswo...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>Well, I just realized that if you move the "E" to the end, you get
>>ponymouse, which in the grander schscheme of thingsh, i.e. pony=pigs and
>>ponies, electric cooled pony harness, etc, whereas mouse=the mouse on
>>the Studio Tan cover, official or not, also the mouse might have been
>>very interested in the voice of cheese, my mind is failing me here, but
>>well you know that does prove it.
>This is excellent! I like this so much I'm changing my name.
Well, you certainly have been given an ample amount to consider in a
recent post. Say, what was THAT guy's name anyway?
Paul Remington
danki...@aol.com wrote:
>
> Now that we are discussing bass players, what about Jaco Pastorius? I
> have seen several Jaco Pastorius CDs, and the liner notes of one, I think
> it was Live In Italy, mentions the large number of Jaco Pastorius
> releases, mostly with bad sound quality. The liner notes go on to say
> something like "This CD was recorded on real equiptment, not a walkman"
> suggesting that it might have better sound quality.
>
> Report?
Jaco was a superb musician, but a terribly troubled soul with a lot
of personal problems.
I remember, before he died, he performed here, in Rochester. He
played at a place called the Red Creek (affectionaly known as the Red
Crack by many! <grin>). After the gig, he got so stinkin' trashed and
coked-up, he disappeared. Everyone was running around looking for him.
They found him outside, passed out ON the railroad tracks that ran
behind the Creek.
I often wonder if, conciously or subconsciously, he wanted to die.
Pretty strange and inconvenient place to decide to pass out. Can't see
how Zappa would have tolerated such a volatile personality. He'd
certainly have to shape up fast, if he were to tour with Frank.
Paul Remington
Mark Edmonds wrote:
>
> Whilst we are in an educational mood, what is ebonics?
> Pardon my stupidity.
>
> London.
Ebonics is the study of Black American street language. It's
actually being taught as a legitimate course in one university (forgot
the name). The following sentance would be an example of ebonics as
taught in this course:
"My peeps is waiting for me at the crib, where we're going to trade some
skin."
Translation: my friends are waiting for me at my home, and we're
going to spend some quality time together.
I'm lilly-White, so I certainly don't speak this... language(?).
Why it's taught in an American university is beyond me. Why it's
discussed in the Zappa group, I don't know. Why I'm wasting bandwidth
on this message is certainly a topic worth flaming. Heheh... perhaps I
better leave my Zappa peeps alone and let them get back to discussing
Frank. :-)
Mark Edmonds
In article <19970213165...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
danki...@aol.com writes
>In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.970212...@gladstone.uoregon.edu>,
>Patrick David Neve <sp...@gladstone.uoregon.edu> writes:
>
>>> Pardon my stupidity.
>>
>>yo' species!
>
>yo wassup. yo is IGNINT? well, dat's enuf o' dat wimp and his conceptium er
>reality.
>
>This concludes today's Ebonics Moment. We now return you to your regularly
>scheduled newsgroup, already in progress.
>
>
>
>===============================================
> /\_/\ Dan the Kitti Man - http://members.aol.com/dankitti99
>( . . )
> =;= "Take a trip on a rocket ship, baby, the sea is the sky" -ta
>===============================================
Thanks for the Ebonics lesson guys! In a couple of years I wont be
surprised if a few of our trendy left-wing London boroughs start
introducing it to the school curiculum.
Mark Edmonds,
London.
Mark Edmonds
In article <5du5hv$bmg$7...@hermes-x.louisville.edu>, David F Lynch
<dfly...@homer.louisville.edu> writes
>Mark Edmonds (mm...@mmje.demon.co.uk) wrote:
>:
>: Whilst we are in an educational mood, what is ebonics?
>
>The pre-manufactured Debate of the Month (tm), in which the US media
>gets its citizens to argue about under which contexts it is appropriate
>to teach the word "dissing" in classrooms, thereby distracting them
>from the fact that the world is, in general, an immense ball of shit.
>
>: Pardon my stupidity.
>
>"Ignorance has a certain charm- stupidity does not."- FZ
Quite!
Mark Edmonds,
London.
C.J. Currie
Mark Edmonds <mm...@mmje.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <5du5hv$bmg$7...@hermes-x.louisville.edu>, David F Lynch
>>"Ignorance has a certain charm- stupidity does not."- FZ
>Quite!
Um ... wasn't Zappa's quote the other way around?
The Christopher Currie
danki...@aol.com
>"My peeps is waiting for me at the crib, where we're going to trade some
>skin."
>
> Translation: my friends are waiting for me at my home, and we're
>going to spend some quality time together.
I wonder what an elpee of Zappa Ebonics would be like.
Well I turned around and I says "yo wassup"
Well I turned around and I says "yo wassup"
Well I turned around and I says "yo wassup"
yo peeps, welcome to ebonics 101
Today's assignment:
"I've got troubles of my own", I said
"And you can't help me out
So, take your meditations and your preparations
And ram it up your snout!"
"But I got the crystal ball", he said
And held it to the ligh
So I snatched it, all away from him
And I showed him how to do it right
David F Lynch
C.J. Currie (curr...@mcmail.cis.McMaster.CA) wrote:
:
: Um ... wasn't Zappa's quote the other way around?
Could be. Frankly, I don't find either of them very charming, so I
don't know what he's on about.
Gary Owen Drechsel
David F Lynch <dfly...@homer.louisville.edu> wrote in article
<5e81o8$7c7$3...@hermes-x.louisville.edu>...
> C.J. Currie (curr...@mcmail.cis.McMaster.CA) wrote:
> :
> : Um ... wasn't Zappa's quote the other way around?
>
> Could be. Frankly, I don't find either of them very charming, so I
> don't know what he's on about.
>
>
It is the other way around.
GODREX
yet another charming post to this long thread of nonsence
Paul Remington
danki...@aol.com wrote:
>
> In article <33049AC4...@frontiernet.net>, Paul Remington <pr...@frontiernet.net> writes:
>
> >"My peeps is waiting for me at the crib, where we're going to trade some
> >skin."
> >
> > Translation: my friends are waiting for me at my home, and we're
> >going to spend some quality time together.
>
> I wonder what an elpee of Zappa Ebonics would be like.
>
> Well I turned around and I says "yo wassup"
> Well I turned around and I says "yo wassup"
> Well I turned around and I says "yo wassup"
>
> yo peeps, welcome to ebonics 101
> Today's assignment:
Heheh... Zappa ebonics. You know... I think it should be taught by
Ike Willis while using his Amos & Andy voice.
"Why, hello der boys 'n girls."
"Hey - yo, yo, yo yo... teach... wuchya' be slippin' is this jive for?!"
"'Cause it be valuable for your futum!"
Chris
-Chris