Things I HATE about Frank Zappa
Zoogz Rift - The Liquid Moamo
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Jon
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Michael Gula
>
> Let's make this the longest thread EVER! :P
Died too soon.
Jon
interview on 20-20 or Dateline (or whatever show it was) when he was
asked what he wanted to be remembered for he replied "I don't want to
be remembered for anything." He was obviously bitter about his
situation but with such a creative mind as his he could have come up
with something to keep us thinking. That seemed like almost an insult
to his fans.
Zoogz Rift - The Liquid Moamo wrote:
Chris Maxfield
>interview on 20-20 or Dateline (or whatever show it was) when he was
>asked what he wanted to be remembered for he replied "I don't want to
>be remembered for anything." He was obviously bitter about his
>situation but with such a creative mind as his he could have come up
>with something to keep us thinking. That seemed like almost an insult
>to his fans.
>
You seem to be a fucking idiot. You totally misunderstood what he said if
that's the way you interpret it.
"Put your head back; here comes the drill." Frank Zappa, R&E
Zapp...@aol.com a.k.a. Chris Maxfield
Zoogz Rift - The Liquid Moamo
>Date: 5/14/01 7:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <20010514220730...@ng-cf1.aol.com>
>
>>"Hate" may be a bit too harsh but what I disliked alot was in his final
>>interview on 20-20 or Dateline (or whatever show it was) when he was
>>asked what he wanted to be remembered for he replied "I don't want to
>>be remembered for anything." He was obviously bitter about his
>>situation but with such a creative mind as his he could have come up
>>with something to keep us thinking. That seemed like almost an insult
>>to his fans.
>>
>
>You seem to be a fucking idiot.
lol--Hey, THAT'S *MY* LINE!
I suspect Frank meant what he said. He did what he did for himself, not
"posterity." What happens to his music, his legacy or anything else that might
be important to his fans after his death was of no consequence to him. Should
it have been?
I think it's very cool that he said that. So yes, in the words of Chris,
YOU'RE A FUCKING IDIOT!
We thank you for your time.
Cortina Inn & Resort Guest Services
Zoogz Rift - The Liquid Moamo wrote:
I hate that there hasn't been more material released. Just because a guy's dead doesn't mean he should just pack it in. Jeeeez! I mean a lot of artists do their best work after they're dead.
I want videos. There's a shitload of great video material floating around out there of Frank Zappa from the beginning of his career right on up to his departure on his final tour. And you know that ZFT has copies of the whole lot. Release it.
-g
Jon
interpreted it as he could care less about being renowned for his creativity,
his incredible talent on the guitar, his ability to compose and arrange
classical pieces and be a maestro, being proud of his hard-nosed perfectionist
reputation with his bands, and most of all his unyielding stance against
censorship, record companies and bureaucratic stupidity in general.
Chris Maxfield resorted to his junior-high school mentality and blurted out:
> You seem to be a f** idiot. You totally misunderstood what he said if
INEMM
<texasr...@cox-internet.com> wrote:
Jon-
You're interfering between Chris' with schizophrenia and multiple
personality disorder. You seem Zappa and Chris are the one and the
same person ... at least when the music is playing. And that's when,
fer shure, the dude knows what Zappa thinks, how Zappa feels, and
what Zappa intended.
You're just pissing in Chris' punchbole. Let the listener have some
imaginary dreams of empowerment...of BEING ZAPPA ...at least for a
moment, while all those right notes are blurting out the speakers.
There's no time for objectivity...music is subjective.
Peter de B. Harrington
It seems to me that if you are interviewing someone who is terminally ill,
it just might be a bit tactless and impolite to ask them, "what do you want
to be remembered for?" (now, jut close your eyes and imagine Frank asking
that same question as "Do You Believe in the Invisible Army?" or "Is
Everybody Stupid?"). Perhaps, it was a typical journalistic question that
deserved a frank condescending answer.
Pete
"Jon" <texasr...@cox-internet.com> wrote in message
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Lewis R. Saul
> > Let's make this the longest thread EVER! :P
>
Once used an E# in spelling a B half-diminished chord.
I HATE THAT!
John Henley
<Peter.Ha...@Ohio.edu> wrote:
> It seems to me that if you are interviewing someone who is terminally ill,
> it just might be a bit tactless and impolite to ask them, "what do you want
> to be remembered for?"
> "Jon" <texasr...@cox-internet.com> wrote in message
> news:3B008E02...@cox-internet.com...
> > "Hate" may be a bit too harsh but what I disliked alot was in his final
> > interview on 20-20 or Dateline (or whatever show it was) when he was
> > asked what he wanted to be remembered for he replied "I don't want to
> > be remembered for anything." He was obviously bitter about his
> > situation but with such a creative mind as his he could have come up
> > with something to keep us thinking. That seemed like almost an insult
> > to his fans.
It was the Today show, the interviewer was their
regular celebrity interviewer Jamie Gangel, and to
be fair she seemed both awed by Frank and obviously
uncomfortable with his desperate condition.
He may have said the above but what I do remember
him saying was "It doesn't matter" how he was to
be remembered. She wasn't prepared for that and
asked why it didn't matter. Frank shrugged and
said "It's not important."
He may have been playing with her head, he may have
been tired out and uninterested in saying more; but
I have always felt he was telling the truth. When
you can't work anymore, you're done [he seemed to be
saying], and after you're gone, it won't matter to you
whether anyone remembers. The world moves on.
In other words, he was rejecting this notion of
celebrity-from-the-grave.
If it's important to _other_ people that you be remembered,
that's _their_ business - it can't be yours. And those
other people would probably better spend their time
keeping up with the living world.
(That lets me out.)
Unsentimental? Fer shure. An insult to the fans?
Well, we were never his number one audience anyway -
_he_ was. All he thought he ever owed us was his
best effort, not an ass-kissing.
John Henley
Austin TX
Steve Cobham
<texasr...@cox-internet.com> wrote:
>"Hate" may be a bit too harsh but what I disliked alot was in his final
>interview on 20-20 or Dateline (or whatever show it was) when he was
>asked what he wanted to be remembered for he replied "I don't want to
>be remembered for anything." He was obviously bitter about his
>situation but with such a creative mind as his he could have come up
>with something to keep us thinking. That seemed like almost an insult
>to his fans.
If I was famous and dying, I wouldn't give a fuck about my fans - not
even to bestow on them a reamark that might be taken as an insult
insult by later - post mortem - inference.
When you think about it, how do you. or I or anyone know how we're
going to feel when we're about to bite the big one?
I think that when death's staring you in the face you're allowed an
awful lot of slack.
Last year when my mother was dying of pancreatic cancer she said a lot
of things she wouldn't normally say and acted very unlike herself.
Pain, knowing you're going to die and also being pumped up with
morphine can do that to a person and maybe these things made Frank
"not quite his old creative self".
Maybe creativity was the last thing on his mind that day.
Maybe he just wanted to carry on having a mind for a few more years.
Maybe he was fortunate to only have to deal with just one more final
fucking idiot.
And maybe I envy him at this particular time.
Steve.
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The more I know about Frank Zappa, the less I hate him!
"John Henley" <jhe...@mail.utexas.edu> wrote in message
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Stu Mark
AM:
> It seems to me that if you are interviewing someone who is terminally ill,
> it just might be a bit tactless and impolite to ask them, "what do you want
> to be remembered for?" (now, jut close your eyes and imagine Frank asking
> that same question as "Do You Believe in the Invisible Army?" or "Is
> Everybody Stupid?"). Perhaps, it was a typical journalistic question that
> deserved a frank condescending answer.
I've been cooking on this for a while and what I think is: Frank was a big
advocate of appreciating what *is* and not what *was* or *will be*. I
believe that he'd rather have us appreciate whatever exists today than
living in the past.
He might say "Frank Zappa's not dead, he just smells funny."
Stu
(who smells funny regardless)
NP: Nobody's Fault But Mine by The Grateful Dead
John Henley
> 10-4, John. Good analysis
Yes, I'm very anal, as I've often been told.
Thanks.
JH
John Henley
Kurt Schluter
how do you want to be remembered. Her response was "What do I care? I'll
be dead!" And no, you can't have any of my money.
Zoogz Rift - The Liquid Moamo wrote:
slumpy
David Wilcher
> In article <3b01a293$1...@rsl2.rslnet.net>, "Ammo" <am...@citytel.net> wrote:
>
> > 10-4, John. Good analysis
>
> Yes, I'm very anal, as I've often been told.
Perhaps you should see Dr. Scialli; I've heard he's good with that
sort of thing.
dave
Steve Lewis
how great it was. OK fine fer sure fer sure.
Then he said that if he had discovered it thirty years before he never
would have needed all those bands...
and that still makes me sad and angry in an indefinable way.
--
best to all,
Steve
Martin Duplessis
had never sung Punky Whips with Terry Bozzio and probably became a scheming
composer, just like John Cage is to most of the zappas fan.
"Steve Lewis" <sle...@satx.rr.com> a écrit dans le message news:
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Tero
Well, Zappa would have gotten tired of Synclavier only music as well.
Perhaps he would have gotten into something new, something he did not
explore yet. Maybe with just the minimal number of musicians.
Things to hate about Zappa...hmmm...Newt Gingrich would have been
easier to list things with. I don't hate any of the opinions and ideas
he stated. Music...maybe there was something that was just a little
too regular..perhaps on Grand Wazoo? But there I actually like the
end, the Blessed Relief stuff.
Sorry, thread starter, this is going to dry up. Wrong forum.
/Tero
Rudi Chiarito
> he stated. Music...maybe there was something that was just a little
> too regular..perhaps on Grand Wazoo?
Eat that question.
I mean, eat that question of yours. How do you dare not adore The
Grand Wazoo? Kneel down on crushed stones, repent your sin and sing
your chant of sorrow to Cletus Awreetus-Awrightus, Our Funky Emperor.
--
"The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers" (W. Shakespeare)
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David Goodwin
<dwe...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>I agree with you, if FZ had discovered "the machine" thirty years ago, he
>had never sung Punky Whips with Terry Bozzio and probably became a scheming
>composer, just like John Cage is to most of the zappas fan.
>
Thing I hate: how fast his sense of production plummeted once 1980 hit
(listen to Crush All Boxes...then listen to YAWYI...then listen to
Them Or Us). Chad's Frank-imposed, horrid digital drum set is a close
second, and is mostly related.
-David
David Goodwin
videos in print, and to get into a better deal with Rykodisc where
RYKODISC could choose the masters (no more crappy CDs).
-David
Tero
> teront...@hotmail.com (Tero) writes:
> > he stated. Music...maybe there was something that was just a little
> > too regular..perhaps on Grand Wazoo?
>
> Eat that question.
>
> I mean, eat that question of yours. How do you dare not adore The
> Grand Wazoo? Kneel down on crushed stones, repent your sin and sing
> your chant of sorrow to Cletus Awreetus-Awrightus, Our Funky Emperor.
*in small voice from bottom of bottomless pit at Dungeon #5* ...I
really did like Eat That Question on Make a Jazz Noise Here....
Stu Mark
> I hated when I saw him on an interview, talking about the synclavier and
> how great it was. OK fine fer sure fer sure.
> Then he said that if he had discovered it thirty years before he never
> would have needed all those bands...
> and that still makes me sad and angry in an indefinable way.
I started thinking about this, and while my tendency is to empathize, on
this point I just couldn't. See, I think that Mr. Zappa was a pretty bitter
guy about stuff, and that he was bitter right from the word jump. I would
suggest that maybe he had a problem expressing himself as a child. Maybe his
parents yelled at him a lot and didn't let him express himself (I doubt it,
but what the fuck), or maybe he had a speech impediment. Something happened
to him that was powerful enough to turn him into one of histories most
prolific contemporary critics.
Regardless, he was pretty cynical/bitter/angry/whatever.
He also had a lot of music in his head, burning, searing, begging to be let
loose.
Subsequently, he produced more records(1) of performances than almost any
other band ever. And he went to great pains to make it as perfect as
possible.
Why would he put up with all of that painful stuff if he wasn't so dedicated
to getting it out there, where people could listen to it?
Because he cared about us, the audience.
Frank put up with thirty years of bands because he cared about us.
That makes me happy and comforted in an indefinable way.
Stu
(who is trying to post less and listen more)
(1) I will now be referring to the term "records" in place of CD, album,
record, LP, tape, cassette, reel-to-reel, etc. I'm getting older and I don't
want the term "records" to fade away.
NP: St. Etienne by Frank Zappa
Michael Gula
> Why would he put up with all of that painful stuff if he wasn't so
> dedicated
> to getting it out there, where people could listen to it?
>
> Because he cared about us, the audience.
>
> Frank put up with thirty years of bands because he cared about us.
>
> That makes me happy and comforted in an indefinable way.
He "got it out there" (1) so HE could listen to it and (2) make a
good living. You and I were just along for the ride, my friend.
Sorry if that subtracts from your comfort and happiness.
Robert Garvey
<mike...@erols.com> wrote:
> Stu Mark wrote:
>
> > Because he cared about us, the audience.
> >
> > Frank put up with thirty years of bands because he cared about us.
> >
> > That makes me happy and comforted in an indefinable way.
>
> He "got it out there" (1) so HE could listen to it and (2) make a
> good living. You and I were just along for the ride, my friend.
>
> Sorry if that subtracts from your comfort and happiness.
I agree with Michael on this one. Zappa did it because it amused him and
he was not concerned about continuing acceptance beyond its resulting in
his ability to pay the bills and further invest in his work.
As for the Synclavier being better than a band, there's a telling section
in The Real Frank Zappa Book where he says that even with all the headaches
of maintaining a band, the music possible with a finely honed group improvising
was the best.
--
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I can't say I was ever lost, but I was bewildered
once for three days. Daniel Boone
R. Kane
wrote:
>(1) I will now be referring to the term "records" in place of CD, album,
>record, LP, tape, cassette, reel-to-reel, etc. I'm getting older and I don't
>want the term "records" to fade away.
I believe we had a discussion on this topic many months ago. Even
though you can call any recorded output whatever you want, a more
proper term would be 'album(s)'. A record is (in the music biz) a flat
disc with grooves that captured and retransmits the music. An album is
a collection of tunes or spoken word passages and can be placed onto,
and retransmitted from, various forms of media including "CD, [album,]
record, LP, tape, cassette, reel-to-reel, etc".
--
NR: The Art of Happiness - A Handbook for Living
by The Dalai Lama
hans
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<robertgSOMANYDYNAM...@207-172-166-10.s10.tnt1.sfrn.ca.dialu
p.rcn.com>, robertgSOM...@dnai.com (Robert Garvey) wrote:
> In article <3B1327D4...@erols.com>, Michael Gula
> <mike...@erols.com> wrote:
>
>> Stu Mark wrote:
>>
>> > Because he cared about us, the audience.
>> >
>> > Frank put up with thirty years of bands because he cared about us.
>> >
>> > That makes me happy and comforted in an indefinable way.
>>
>> He "got it out there" (1) so HE could listen to it and (2) make a
>> good living. You and I were just along for the ride, my friend.
>>
>> Sorry if that subtracts from your comfort and happiness.
>
> I agree with Michael on this one. Zappa did it because it amused him and
> he was not concerned about continuing acceptance beyond its resulting in
> his ability to pay the bills and further invest in his work.
>
> As for the Synclavier being better than a band, there's a telling section
> in The Real Frank Zappa Book where he says that even with all the headaches
> of maintaining a band, the music possible with a finely honed group
improvising
> was the best.
>
> --
> RobertG ( :s/[A-Z]*[A-Z]// for actual address )
A love-hate relationship with the human factor...
hanzo
Stu Mark
> Stu Mark wrote:
>
>> Why would he put up with all of that painful stuff if he wasn't so
>> dedicated to getting it out there, where people could listen to it?
>>
>> Because he cared about us, the audience.
>>
>> Frank put up with thirty years of bands because he cared about us.
>>
>> That makes me happy and comforted in an indefinable way.
>
> He "got it out there" (1) so HE could listen to it and (2) make a
> good living. You and I were just along for the ride, my friend.
Frank could have made a similar living if he just released studio work and
never toured. Certainly it was helpful to his career, but he could have
earned about the same ballpark figure if he didn't.
Again I state, he put up with the bands and the touring because he enjoyed
making people happy in that way. He enjoyed our enthusiasm.
Stu
(who is and am were)
NP: 32 Footsteps by They Might Be Giants
Stu Mark
>> (1) I will now be referring to the term "records" in place of CD, album,
>> record, LP, tape, cassette, reel-to-reel, etc. I'm getting older and I don't
>> want the term "records" to fade away.
>
> I believe we had a discussion on this topic many months ago. Even
> though you can call any recorded output whatever you want, a more
> proper term would be 'album(s)'. A record is (in the music biz) a flat
> disc with grooves that captured and retransmits the music. An album is
> a collection of tunes or spoken word passages and can be placed onto,
> and retransmitted from, various forms of media including "CD, [album,]
> record, LP, tape, cassette, reel-to-reel, etc".
I refer to "record" as it is short for "recording". And "album" is still
used today, in reference to photographs. My intent is to keep the term
"record" around for a bit longer.
Stu
(who is in tent)
NP: Time Is Money by Frank Zappa
Michael Gula
> Frank could have made a similar living if he just released studio work and
> never toured. Certainly it was helpful to his career, but he could have
> earned about the same ballpark figure if he didn't.
You can make a lot more money touring than sticking yourself in a
studio. Besides, being around crazy touring musicians supplied
him with plenty of song material.
R. Kane
wrote:
>I refer to "record" as it is short for "recording". And "album" is still
>used today, in reference to photographs. My intent is to keep the term
>"record" around for a bit longer.
You didn't specifically state that intent initially so I chimed in
with a recollection I had. At least I remember some things. Ain't got
me far nor made me money, but, it amuses me. :)
NQ:
I can't bring myself to say, 'Well, I guess I'll be toddling along.'
It isn't that I can't toddle. It's just that I can't guess I'll
toddle.
-- Robert Benchley
Stu Mark
>> I refer to "record" as it is short for "recording". And "album" is still
>> used today, in reference to photographs. My intent is to keep the term
>> "record" around for a bit longer.
>
> You didn't specifically state that intent initially so I chimed in
> with a recollection I had. At least I remember some things. Ain't got
> me far nor made me money, but, it amuses me. :)
Here's what I wrote: "I will now be referring to the term "records" in place
of CD, album, record, LP, tape, cassette, reel-to-reel, etc. I'm getting
older and I don't want the term "records" to fade away."...
I probably could have made myself more clear, but I was pretty tired by the
end of that post, and the thought about "records" was definitely an
after-one.
Stu
(who is before since when)
NP: Blessed Relief by Frank Zappa
Biffy the Elephant Shrew
<calt...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>>(1) I will now be referring to the term "records" in place of CD, album,
>>record, LP, tape, cassette, reel-to-reel, etc. I'm getting older and I
>>don't want the term "records" to fade away.
>
>I believe we had a discussion on this topic many months ago. Even
>though you can call any recorded output whatever you want, a more
>proper term would be 'album(s)'.
What if it's a single?
Your pal,
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R. Kane
Elephant Shrew) wrote:
>>(1) I will now be referring to the term "records" in place of CD, album,
>>record, LP, tape, cassette, reel-to-reel, etc. I'm getting older and I
>>don't want the term "records" to fade away.
>>I believe we had a discussion on this topic many months ago. Even
>>though you can call any recorded output whatever you want, a more
>>proper term would be 'album(s)'.
>What if it's a single?
Of the variations of recorded media listed above, I feel that only the
word "record" may have the possible connotation of being a "single".
In general, the words, "CD, album, LP, tape, cassette, reel-to-reel"
refer to a collection, i.e. an album, of songs or spoken word
recordings.
But anything is possible.
And speaking of generalities, NQ:
Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain - and most fools do.
-- Dale Carnegie
[myself included in that statement]
Biffy the Elephant Shrew
>word "record" may have the possible connotation of being a "single".
>In general, the words, "CD, album, LP, tape, cassette, reel-to-reel"
>refer to a collection, i.e. an album, of songs or spoken word
>recordings.
I have many CDs and cassettes that are singles.
Some "albums" contain only a single track (or technically two
tracks when split over the two sides of an LP), e.g., Jethro Tull's
_Thick As A Brick_. You couldn't call these a "collection of songs"
Biffy the Elephant Shrew
>tracks when split over the two sides of an LP), e.g., Jethro Tull's
>_Thick As A Brick_. You couldn't call these a "collection of songs"
Dammit, I accidentally hit the "send" button before I was finished. I
was about to contrast the above example with items like the Orb's
"Blue Room" CD, a single (marketed as such) containing just one 40-
minute track, or Brian Eno's "Fractal Zoom" CD single, which includes
so many remix "B-sides" that the total time is over 70 minutes.
Zoogz Rift - The Liquid Moamo
>Dammit, I accidentally hit the "send" button before I was finished.
TOO LATE! We already set the type and went to press!
Jesus fucking christ, Biffy!
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R. Kane
Elephant Shrew) wrote:
>I have many CDs and cassettes that are singles.
Right, I agree, but, you are discounting what I stated previously:
>>In general, the words, "CD, album, LP, tape, cassette, reel-to-reel"
>>refer to a collection, i.e. an album, of songs or spoken word
>>recordings.
The key words being "in general".
But for the sake of not arguing:
you're right; I'm wrong
ą la Zoogz:
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NQ:
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Geir Corneliussen
>
> I hated when I saw him on an interview, talking about the synclavier and
> how great it was. OK fine fer sure fer sure.
> Then he said that if he had discovered it thirty years before he never
> would have needed all those bands...
> and that still makes me sad and angry in an indefinable way.
Bad religion, Lewis. People are ugly. Machines are honest. That's the
way it is. I can understand Zappa. It's a rant. A good one. If you get
it.
--
Geir
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Biffy the Elephant Shrew
<calt...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>But for the sake of not arguing:
>
>you're right; I'm wrong
He's no fun, he fell right over.
Magnus Slørdal
According to The Real Frank Zappa Book, at least all his touring in the eighties
was struggling to break even, and he wound up losing money on the tours....
M
Bill
And made it up again and then some by selling recordings made from the tour.