The most overrated bands ever
Whoopysnorp
of the universe. I'll start.
The Grateful Dead
AC/DC
I'm sure I'll think of more later.
Johnny Manone
max-...@uiowa.edu (Whoopysnorp) wrote:
> Let's try to compile a list of the most overrated bands in the history
> of the universe. I'll start.
>
> The Grateful Dead
> AC/DC
The Doors
Phish
--
Michael Smith, Toronto
Time flies like fruit flies like bananas.
ZOOGZ RIFT - The Liquid Moamo
>Let's try to compile a list of the most overrated bands in the history
>of the universe. I'll start.
>
>The Grateful Dead
>AC/DC
BFD
ZAPPA'S UNIVERSE
ALL ZAPPA COVER BANDS
Create, don't imitate. New, not old. There, not here.
Borrowing is okay. Being influenced or inspired by is okay. Competing is
okay. But LIVING OFF ZAPPA'S FAME AND ACHIEVEMENTS, REGARDLESS OF YOUR TALENT
OR DISCIPLINES, IS FUCKING ***PATHETIC!!!***
CREATE! TAKE A CHANCE! Put your steel balls on the chopping block and DARE
them to pull the rope--SPIT IN THEIR UGLY FACES!
Jesus fucking christ, I don't know how I manage to hold myself together
everyday. This world is fucking insane...
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Hanzo
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In artikel <c5a29b32.01081...@posting.google.com>,
max-...@uiowa.edu (Whoopysnorp) schreef:
Sneelock
EAGLES!
EAGLES!
Ever read a review of "Hotel California"?
Every rock critic in America seemed to think tis thing was....ART!
I was going to shine this thread on because I like a lot of the bands on it.
Then I remembered how much I enjoy talking shit about the EAGLES!
Uck Ack Ptooey!
Irv Azoff
Whoopysnorp wins!
Jeroen J
> Borrowing is okay. Being influenced or inspired by is okay. Competing is
> okay. But LIVING OFF ZAPPA'S FAME AND ACHIEVEMENTS, REGARDLESS OF YOUR TALENT
> OR DISCIPLINES, IS FUCKING ***PATHETIC!!!***
>
> CREATE! TAKE A CHANCE! Put your steel balls on the chopping block and DARE
> them to pull the rope--SPIT IN THEIR UGLY FACES!
You'll hurt your throat. Stop it.
Jeroen
Erik Fantø
Damn, I started a Zoogz Rift cover band.
Erik Fantø
> Let's try to compile a list of the most overrated bands in the history
> of the universe. I'll start.
>
> The Grateful Dead
> AC/DC
>
Aerosmith
Whoopysnorp
Regarding AC/DC, I'm not really talking critical acclaim, I'm talking
the amount of people who like them who really should know better. A
LOT of motherfuckers think "any album with Bon Scott is just
fantastic".
TODD TAMANEND CLARK
> Whoopysnorp evilly conspired thusly:
>
> Let's try to compile a list of the most overrated bands
> in the history of the universe. I'll start.
>
> AC/DC
> The Grateful Dead
Let's add:
Abba
Aerosmith
Air Supply
Alabama
America
Amy Grant
Bachman-Turner Overdrive
Bad Company
Badfinger
Barry Manilow
Black Sabbath
Blind Faith
Bobby Sherman
Boston
Boz Scaggs
Bread
Britney Spears
Bush
Carole King
Cat Stevens
Chicago
Cliff Richard
Creedence Clearwater Revival
Crosby, Stills, Nash, And Young
Dan Fogelberg
Dean Martin
Deep Purple
Def Leppard
Dire Straits
Duran Duran
Elton John
Eminem
Eric Clapton
Fleetwood Mac
Foghat
Foo Fighters
Foreigner
Frank Sinatra
Frankie Avalon
Freddie And The Dreamers
Free
Gary Glitter
Gary Puckett And The Union Gap
George Michael
Grand Funk Railroad
Haircut 100
Hall And Oates
Heart
Herman's Hermits
Huey Lewis And The News
Humble Pie
Iron Maiden
James Taylor
Jim Croce
Jimmy Swaggart
Joe Cocker
John Denver
Judas Priest
KC And The Sunshine Band
Kiss
Lawrence Welk
Led Zeppelin
Lee Greenwood
Leo Sayer
Limp Bizkit
Little Feat
Loggins And Messina
Loverboy
Lynyrd Skynyrd
Men At Work
Merle Haggard
Michael Bolton
Milli Vanilli
Molly Hatchet
Motley Crue
Neil Sedaka
New Kids On The Block
N'Sync
Pat Boone
Paul McCartney
Peter Frampton
Queen
Ricky Martin
Robert Palmer
Rod Stewart
Savoy Brown
Slade
Supertramp
Sweet
The Allman Brothers
The Amazing Rhythm Aces
The Atlanta Rhythm Section
The Average White Band
The Backstreet Boys
The Bay City Rollers
The Bee Gees
The Blues Brothers
The Brooklin Bridge
The Captain And Tennille
The Carpenters
The Charlie Daniels Band
The Doobie Brothers
The Eagles
The Four Freshmen
The Four Seasons
The Four Tops
The Jackson Five
The Lettermen
The Little River Band
The Marshall Tucker Band
The Moody Blues
The 1910 Fruitgum Company
The Nitty Gritty Dirt Band
The Osmonds
The Outlaws
The Ozark Mountain Daredevils
The Police
The Sex Pistols
The Spice Girls
The Steve Miller Band
The Supremes
The Temptations
The Village People
Thirty-Eight Special
Tommy Roe
Tony Orlando And Dawn
Toto
UFO
U2
Olivia Newton-John
Uriah Heep
Van Halen
Van Morrison
Wet Willie
Yes
ZZ Top
This list could go on for pages and pages...
(No wonder Frank had a field day with the music industry.)
Todd Tamanend Clark
Lyricist/Composer/Multi-Instrumentalist/Cultural Historian
Greene County, Pennsylvania
The Duke of Prunes
> Borrowing is okay. Being influenced or inspired by is okay. Competing is
> okay. But LIVING OFF ZAPPA'S FAME AND ACHIEVEMENTS, REGARDLESS OF YOUR TALENT
> OR DISCIPLINES, IS FUCKING ***PATHETIC!!!***
>
> CREATE! TAKE A CHANCE! Put your steel balls on the chopping block and DARE
> them to pull the rope--SPIT IN THEIR UGLY FACES!
>
Just as long as you don't do it in MIDI....
the duke.
John Henley
<tama...@charterpa.net> wrote:
> > AC/DC
> > The Grateful Dead
>
>
> Let's add:
[practically everyone]
Where's The Doors?
John Henley
Austin TX
Jeff Jones
> EAGLES!
> EAGLES!
> EAGLES!
>
> Ever read a review of "Hotel California"?
> Every rock critic in America seemed to think tis thing was....ART!
>
> I was going to shine this thread on because I like a lot of the bands on it.
>
> Then I remembered how much I enjoy talking shit about the EAGLES!
> Uck Ack Ptooey!
>
> Irv Azoff
>
NRBQ
Lenny Kravitz (not a band, but what the hell)
Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band
and so many more...
Radar Station
"TODD TAMANEND CLARK" <tama...@charterpa.net> wrote in message
news:tnidpol...@corp.supernews.com...
TODD TAMANEND CLARK
> John Henley queried:
>
> Where's The Doors ?
On another list for the GREATEST bands ever.
Milhouse Guidry
>Let's try to compile a list of the most overrated bands in the history
>of the universe. I'll start.
>
>The Grateful Dead
>AC/DC
Big Star
The Sex Pistols
--Milhouse
PAPA FEARS MILKHOUSE
http://hometown.aol.com/milhouse481/home.html
Last updated August 10, 2001
Liquid water? Made from scratch?
Jean
Your're really out to lunch buddy, some of the aforementioned bands weren't even
rated and never got critical acclaim!!! Are you really a Historian?
WingMan
Milhouse Guidry
finest bands ever, buddy.
TODD TAMANEND CLARK
> Jean (WingMan) got all huffy when:
>
>> TODD TAMANEND CLARK contributed when:
> aforementioned bands weren't even rated and never
> got critical acclaim!!!
They all had recording contracts with major labels, so
someone must have been promoting them while far
more deserving talent went unsigned.
> Are you really a historian ?
Yep.
John Henley
<tama...@charterpa.net> wrote:
> > John Henley queried:
> >
> > Where's The Doors ?
>
>
> On another list for the GREATEST bands ever.
Somehow this answer doesn't surprise me, but
I don't share the opinion.
John Henley
Austin TX
mukamuk
> (Whoopysnorp) wrote:
>
> > Let's try to compile a list of the most overrated bands in the history
> > of the universe. I'll start.
> >
> > The Grateful Dead
> > AC/DC
> The Doors
> Phish
Yeah. Can't argue with any of those four. (I like Phish, but they *are*
overrated.)
I would add:
Beck
Oasis
Coldplay
Steely Dan
Glenn Gould
Prince
The Residents
Kramer
Moby
Negativland
Chemical Brothers
Roxy Music
Joe Jackson
Eric Clapton
--dank
ZOOGZ RIFT - The Liquid Moamo
>Date: 8/14/01 8:29 AM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <32758eee.01081...@posting.google.com>
When someone from this newsgroup does something unique in MIDI, I'll
acknowledge it, like I have with Biffy and Lewis...
ZOOGZ RIFT - The Liquid Moamo
>>
>> > Let's try to compile a list of the most overrated bands in the history
>> > of the universe. I'll start.
>> >
>> > The Grateful Dead
>> > AC/DC
Frank Zappa
Ha ha. Just kidding. Don't kill me!
Jean
I didn't get huffy, I just think your're out to lunch and I'm pretty
sure I'm not the only here (maybe even FZ would agree). To include
Queen, Led Zep, Black Sabbath (widely aknowledged as the first Heavy
Metal Band Ever, look it up!), CSNY, Dire Straights, Eric Clapton,
Fleetwood Mac, Frank Sinatra, Iron Maiden, Supertramp, The Allman
Brothers, The Sex Pistols, Van Halen and Yes, just to name a few,
shows how much of an incompetent historian you are. Sorry, but you're
info/historical interpretations/opinions are incorrect. Maybe you
should think before posting this kind of absolutist drivel.
WingMan
Jean
also a looser for editing my post. Eat that...
WingMan
Erik Fantø
I totally agree with you Jean. This guy is out to lunch with lunch-meat.
N. Hayman
non-Dead-Head reviews are humorous jabs), and Phish is certainly
underrated (most reviews place them as, get this, immitators of the Dead,
or just plain old bad - "Picture of Nectar" was rated the worst album of
the year by Rolling Stone).
I think overrated includes the afore-mentioned Eagles, Doors, Bruce
Springstein, etc..... I think they're all OK, but not as great as the
acclaim and radio play would have them. Basically, the "sophisticated"
portion of RAWK-FM is overrated.
N
Gratzian Kolev
1. The Monkees
2. U2
3. Kiss
4. Bay City Rollers
5. The Who
We're talking "overrated" ,right?
(not bad)
"Whoopysnorp" <max-...@uiowa.edu> wrote in message
news:c5a29b32.01081...@posting.google.com...
> Let's try to compile a list of the most overrated bands in the history
> of the universe. I'll start.
>
Raymond D Ricker
"Jeff Jones" <jef...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:7f6c8c2d.0108...@posting.google.com...
> snee...@webtv.net (Sneelock) wrote in message
news:<58faccab.01081...@posting.google.com>...
> > EAGLES!
> > EAGLES!
> > EAGLES!
> >
> > Ever read a review of "Hotel California"?
> > Every rock critic in America seemed to think tis thing was....ART!
> >
I seriously doubt Lester Bangs would call the Eagles art.
My vote on all time over-rated would be Kansas.
RDR
Raymond D Ricker
"Erik Fantø" <amne...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:26d1dc3.01081...@posting.google.com...
> wing...@hotmail.com (Jean) wrote in message
news:<a9c7e4e9.01081...@posting.google.com>...
> > "TODD TAMANEND CLARK" <tama...@charterpa.net> wrote in message
news:<tnidpol...@corp.supernews.com>...
> > > > Whoopysnorp evilly conspired thusly:
> > > >
>
This guy has an annoying habit, among other newsgroups, for posting the
best/worst 100 of an infinite number of musical categories - definitely a
wanktankerish personality.
RDR
Don Kehoe
But then, with the possible exceptions of x, q and sometimes y, don't
you really feel the alphabet is overrated too?
hans
whatever the songtitle was).
That really kicked ass.
Hanzo
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In artikel <20010814132559...@mb-mp.aol.com>,
milho...@aol.commieplot (Milhouse Guidry) schreef:
Jean
Thx Erik. I knew I wasn't the only educated (not necessarily an
intellectual snob like this loser!!) person that thought LED ZEP of
all bands was over-rated!!
Cheers, buddy!!!
Jean
Jean
I know, I checked out the other news group, it looks like this loser's
a Jazz snob, evidently by the list he put out!!! Never would I knock
down Jazz, but it's certainly not the only good music form around; FZ
is the perfect example!!
Cheers everyone, even the incompetent historian!! LMFAO
Jean
Jean
oops forgot to say. Merci Raymond et Erik. This server's so slow, that
I keep on losing "le fil des evenements" !!!!
"Music is the best" Joes Garage Act III, 198? (whats the exact date
Historian?!!!; who else (apart from you!!!) actually spoke these words
in public?
Cheers,
Jean
Stephan Lewis
overrated band:
The Rolling Stones
best to all,
Steve
TODD TAMANEND CLARK
> Jean (WingMan) got his panties in a bunch when:
>
>> TODD TAMANEND CLARK posted:
>>
>> Abba
>> AC/DC
>> Aerosmith
>> Air Supply
>> Alabama
>> America
>> Amy Grant
Avalon
>> Bachman-Turner Overdrive
>> Bad Company
>> Badfinger
>> Barry Manilow
>> Black Sabbath
>> Blind Faith
>> Bobby Sherman
Bon Jovi
>> Boston
>> Boz Scaggs
>> Bread
>> Britney Spears
>> Bush
>> Carole King
>> Cat Stevens
>> Chicago
>> Cliff Richard
>> Creedence Clearwater Revival
>> Crosby, Stills, Nash, And Young
>> Dan Fogelberg
>> Dean Martin
>> Deep Purple
>> Def Leppard
>> Dire Straits
>> Duran Duran
>> Elton John
>> Eminem
>> Eric Clapton
>> Fleetwood Mac
>> Foghat
>> Foo Fighters
>> Foreigner
>> Frank Sinatra
>> Frankie Avalon
>> Freddie And The Dreamers
>> Free
>> Gary Glitter
>> Gary Puckett And The Union Gap
George Harrison
>> George Michael
George Strait
>> Grand Funk Railroad
Green Day
>> Haircut 100
>> Hall And Oates
>> Heart
>> Herman's Hermits
>> Huey Lewis And The News
>> Humble Pie
>> Iron Maiden
>> James Taylor
>> Jim Croce
>> Jimmy Swaggart
>> Joe Cocker
>> John Denver
>> Judas Priest
Kathie Lee Gifford
>> KC And The Sunshine Band
>> Kiss
>> Lawrence Welk
>> Led Zeppelin
>> Lee Greenwood
>> Leo Sayer
>> Limp Bizkit
>> Little Feat
>> Loggins And Messina
>> Loverboy
>> Lynyrd Skynyrd
MC Hammer
>> Men At Work
Menudo
>> Merle Haggard
>> Michael Bolton
Michael W. Smith
>> Milli Vanilli
>> Molly Hatchet
>> Motley Crue
>> Neil Sedaka
>> New Kids On The Block
>> N'Sync
Oasis
Pat Benatar
>> Pat Boone
>> Paul McCartney
Paul Overstreet
>> Peter Frampton
Quarterflash
>> Queen
Quiet Riot
REO Speedwagon
>> Ricky Martin
Ringo Starr
>> Robert Palmer
>> Rod Stewart
Roy Rogers
>> Savoy Brown
>> Slade
Slim Whitman
Steven Curtis Chapman
Styx
>> Supertramp
>> Sweet
Tennessee Ernie Ford
>> The Allman Brothers
>> The Amazing Rhythm Aces
>> The Atlanta Rhythm Section
>> The Average White Band
>> The Backstreet Boys
>> The Bay City Rollers
>> The Bee Gees
>> The Blues Brothers
>> The Brooklyn Bridge
>> The Captain And Tennille
>> The Carpenters
>> The Charlie Daniels Band
>> The Doobie Brothers
>> The Eagles
>> The Four Freshmen
>> The Four Seasons
>> The Four Tops
>> The Jackson Five
>> The Lettermen
>> The Little River Band
>> The Marshall Tucker Band
>> The Moody Blues
>> The 1910 Fruitgum Company
>> The Nitty Gritty Dirt Band
>> The Osmonds
>> The Outlaws
>> The Ozark Mountain Daredevils
>> The Police
The Rolling Stones (without Brian Jones)
>> The Sex Pistols
>> The Spice Girls
>> The Steve Miller Band
>> The Supremes
>> The Temptations
>> The Village People
>> Thirty-Eight Special
Tom Jones
>> Tommy Roe
Tone Loc
>> Tony Orlando And Dawn
>> Toto
>> UFO
>> U2
>> Olivia Newton-John
>> Uriah Heep
>> Van Halen
>> Van Morrison
>> Wet Willie
Will Smith
>> Yes
>> ZZ Top
>
> I didn't get huffy, I just think your're (sic) out to lunch...
Out to lunch ? Is that an ad hominem scientific term you
learned in junior high school ?
> ... and I'm pretty...
That's a highly subjective matter of opinion.
> ... sure I'm not the only (sic) here...
Probably not.
> ... (maybe even FZ would agree).
You really are clueless about Frank's extremely low
regard for the commercial music business, aren't you ?
> To include Queen, Led Zep...
That's right, folks, "Robert Planet" is on the list.
> Black Sabbath (widely aknowledged (sic) as the first
> Heavy Metal Band Ever...
You say that as if it were a good thing.
> ... look it up!)
The first heavy metal band was actually another group
with a color in their name: Blue Cheer.
> ... CSNY, Dire Straights (sic), Eric Clapton, Fleetwood
> Mac...
Oh, please, gag me with one of Stevie Nick's used
tampons.
> ... Frank Sinatra, Iron Maiden, Supertramp, The Allman
> Brothers, The Sex Pistols, Van Halen and Yes...
The musicians in Yes may in fact be very technically
accomplished on their respective instruments, but their
whiny pretentious vocals still sound like "three
unreleased recordings of Crosby, Stills, Nash, and
Young fighting in the dressing room at the Fillmore East".
> ... just to name a few...
Name as many as you'd like, you're only making your own
taste in music look worse by the minute.
What part of the term corporate whore don't you
understand ?
> ... shows how much of an incompetent historian you are.
Not much, by any evidence you've provided so far.
> Sorry, but you're (sic) info/historical interpretations/opinions
> are incorrect.
You are entitled to your own opinion, however uninformed
and semiliterate it may be.
> Maybe you should think before posting this kind of
> absolutist drivel.
You are absolutely right. Obviously, I didn't think of
ENOUGH "artists" to include on the original list. That has
been rectified above.
Todd Tamanend Clark
Lyrical Terrorist/Sonic Anarchist/Cultural Guerrilla
--
"Smash the control images; smash the control machine."
- - William S. Burroughs
commodious
Led Zep has to be the all-time most over-rated band of all-time,
including and containing all-time, and then some.
TODD TAMANEND CLARK
> Jean prematurely ejaculated thusly:
>
> I checked out the other news group, it looks like this
I have approximately two thousand postings on the
internet, and you choose to evaluate my musical interests
by one single post ?
> Never would I knock down jazz, but it's certainly not
> the only good music form around;
No shit, Sherlock.
> FZ is the perfect example!!
I own every Zappa album ever made.
I bought "Freak Out" in 1966 when it originally came out.
Judging from your juvenile behavior, you probably
weren't even born yet.
> LMFAO
You are what you laugh.
Where the fuck are you from ? Hell ? France ?
Snow Lizard
>>> TODD TAMANEND CLARK posted:
>
>Angel
NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! Can it be true??? (Oh Punky.....)
I would like to take a moment to emphasize that the pooched-out
succulence of the insolent, pouting rictus of any given entertainer is
bound to cause quite a stir in the equilibrium of the more gaseous
portions of the liquid region of the fabric that constitutes just
about anything fucking well conscionable on the planet, and that as
such, it should be dealt with appropriately. For the millions &
billions of Angel fans out there, sorry, but some people offered not
to be catastrophically midwhelmed by such poochism, and generally this
gas stays largely undisturbed.
Sometimes the more disturbed portions of this gas (molecules, really)
figure out how to post usenet messages.
>Avalon
Hey! Somebody else that's heard of Avalon! Cool! What was the guitar
player's name, again? (I've met him several times - as well as the
bass player from another group that he was in, that was also in a
previous group, the two of which aren't on your list...) I'm not sure,
but I think he was the pizza guy.... and, an innovator, and amazing
guitarist.
I've also met the bass player from Avalon. I apologise for my
forgetfulness, what was his name, again?
>>> The Allman Brothers
<snip>
>
>> ... (maybe even FZ would agree).
>
>You really are clueless about Frank's extremely low
>regard for the commercial music business, aren't you ?
>
<snip>
>
>> ... Frank Sinatra, Iron Maiden, Supertramp, The Allman
>> Brothers,
<snip...>
OK, we're not out of the A's, yet, and you've lost me. What a
fundamentally incomplete, and somewhat useless, and perhaps damaging
opinion of Frank you must have. Are you disturbed? Perhaps you should
read some liner notes. Not to mention *LISTEN* to some of this great
music you're pointing out, here.
>Todd Tamanend Clark
>Lyrical Terrorist/Sonic Anarchist/Cultural Guerrilla
>
"A God of a Man,
A Man of a Chicken!
A Chicken of Destiny!
Adventure!!!
And, very finely detailed Measurement!!!!!"
>--
>"Smash the control images; smash the control machine."
> - - William S. Burroughs
>
I sincerely hope you find help. Good luck!
Snow Lizard.
Johnny Manone
<Pine.A41.4.33.010814...@dante06.u.washington.edu>,
"N. Hayman" <ni...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
How is Phish underrated!? Gimme a break!
Their albums are PURE SHIT (which many a Phish fan will admit), and
their shows are just lame-o hi-skool jams that go on for way too long...
Even the Dead are more interesting!
At least Phil Lesh admitted that most of their jams were bad... He
figured that the good music that appeared was inevitable with the amount
of music they were playing. Check out the BP interview..
I'm babbling now... Phish stinks.
--
Michael Smith, Toronto
Time flies like fruit flies like bananas.
Johnny Manone
>
> Frank Zappa
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Ha ha. Just kidding. Don't kill me!
>
>
I kill you. Jut kidding. Don't kill me!
Johnny Manone
<tama...@charterpa.net> wrote:
Too much.
I have no problem with unpopular opinions, Todd. Please spare the world
from posting them in the hundreds. If you are as knowlegable as you
present yourself, I imagine you must have enough brains to be at least a
little selective. Why not post only five awful bands that you can
actually back up as being overrated?
I was previously infuriated by your top 100 jazz albums, which include
way too many FZ records. There is an incredible amount of jazz albums
available, and many are excellent. FZ was not a jazz artist, or fan,
although the influence is apparent in much of his music.
Do you listen to enough music to make these lists?
Is "Jazz From Hell" really a better *jazz* album then "Sunday at the
Villiage Vanguard" or "Sonny Meets Hawk"?
You make one shitty historian, dude.
Johnny Manone
wing...@hotmail.com (Jean) wrote:
If he's a Jazz snob, he's an idiot.
TODD TAMANEND CLARK
> Johnny Manone/Michael Smith wrote:
>
> I have no problem with unpopular opinions, Todd.
Apparently, to some degree, you do.
> Please spare the world from posting them in the hundreds.
You do not possess the right to tell another person where
or what to post.
> If you are as knowlegable (sic) as you present yourself,
> I imagine you must have enough brains to be at least a
> little selective.
Cutting thousands of possible entries down to lists of one
hundred each obviously requires a process of selection.
> Why not post only five awful bands that you can actually
> back up as being overrated?
I see. Do it your way in tinier segments for the easier
comprehension of dumbed-down mainstream minds.
> I was previously infuriated by your top 100 jazz albums,
> which include way too many FZ records.
How is it possible for you to be infuriated by what my
favorite albums are ?
You are just as free as I am to post any lists you please,
and at this point, I am curious to see what your one
hundred favorite jazz albums are.
> There is an incredible amount of jazz albums available,
> and many are excellent.
Agreed. But many more are not. And we each get to
choose exactly which ones go in our own private collections.
> FZ was not a jazz artist, or fan, although the influence is
> apparent in much of his music.
Frank defies easy pigeon-holing, one way or the other.
> Do you listen to enough music to make these lists ?
More than enough.
> Is "Jazz From Hell" really a better *jazz* album then (sic)
> "Sunday at the Villiage (sic) Vanguard" or "Sonny
> Meets Hawk" ?
Only you can make that determination for yourself. My lists
are clearly labeled as personal opinion not as absolutes.
> You make one shitty historian, dude.
Only if you apply the preprogrammed standards of the
dominant occupying postcolonial culture.
Todd Tamanend Clark
Percussionist/Flutist/Violist/Guitarist/Thereminist/Synthesist
Turtle Island, Western Hemisphere
Ville Kinnunen
Johnny Manone kirjoitti viestissä ...
>You make one shitty historian, dude.
I can't believe you just said "dude"...
ZOOGZ RIFT - The Liquid Moamo
>Date: 8/15/01 1:07 AM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <95qe7.88$Dd2....@read2.inet.fi>
>
>
>Johnny Manone kirjoitti viestissä ...
>
>>You make one shitty historian, dude.
>
>
>I can't believe you just said "dude"...
>
He just said that to see if you were paying attention!
Jean
Hey Snow, I'm trying to figure out if your comments were directed to
the old guy (looser historian, he knows who he is!!) or myself. Please
clarify. I actually think your comments are bang on!
Cheers,
WingMan
Mike Espinoza
> Regarding AC/DC, I'm not really talking critical acclaim, I'm talking
> the amount of people who like them who really should know better. A
> LOT of motherfuckers think "any album with Bon Scott is just
> fantastic".
You're damn right!
--
Mike E.
------------
"Too often, men measure themselves by what the can consume or destroy rather
than what they can create."
Jean
Both Hell and France are much nicer places to be from than that shit
hole Greene County, Pennsylvania you're from. Oops, was I being
juvenile? I apologize to the all mighty intelectual snob
wankerhistorian!!!
ROTFWFZLMFAOBTMF (actually these are the first letters of my all time
favorite list of composers!!)
Keep it coming looser!!
WingMan
Mike Espinoza
Whoopysnorp
tempers would fly on this one.
First of all, I saw a lot of bands on here that I meant to put on here
but didn't think of. Good job fellers, you're thinking like ME now!
Second of all, as starter of the thread, I'm gonna have to use my veto
power and excise The Residents from the list. Take that!
I thank you for your time.
commodious
<tama...@charterpa.net> wrote:
>> ... (maybe even FZ would agree).
>
>You really are clueless about Frank's extremely low
>regard for the commercial music business, aren't you ?
>
>> To include Queen, Led Zep...
>
Zappa liked Queen. Especially Brian May.
Charles Ulrich
<tama...@charterpa.net> wrote:
> > Johnny Manone/Michael Smith wrote:
> >
> > I was previously infuriated by your top 100 jazz albums,
> > which include way too many FZ records.
...
> > You make one shitty historian, dude.
>
>
> Only if you apply the preprogrammed standards of the
> dominant occupying postcolonial culture.
I could see this reply if someone had objected to the number of Indian
artists on your instrumental list. But the actual objection was to the
number of records by a particular musician of European descent in a
field dominated by African-Americans. What did I miss?
--Charles
ZOOGZ RIFT - The Liquid Moamo
>Date: 8/15/01 8:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <3b7a92b6...@news.newsguy.com>
Excellent guitar player.
NudeAdGuy
Fabian
Klaatu
Mike Oldfield
The Dave Clark Five
Gary Puckett, with or without the Gap
The Mamas and Papas
Britney Spears
All these fucking Boy Bands
The Rolling Stones, about half the time (and I LOVE the Stones, but only about
half the time.)
Any critics' darling of the 1980s.
Tom Petty
Pink Floyd. (God, I hate these guys. I am the only former '70s teenager I know
of who didn't buy or give a shit about "Dark Side of the Moon." I've still
never heard the entire album all the way through. And if I read one more
article about what a genius Syd Barrett was I'm gonna build a time machine, go
back in time and strangle the motherfucker before he ever meets the rest of the
band and takes drugs.)
Kansas. (Not Kanzus, mind you...)
TT
"This is the B-side of our platter, sports fans...and I'm singing just for you,
covered in sequins!" -- Viv Stanshall
Raymond D Ricker
"commodious" <jcpr...@hotmail.comeonin> wrote in message
news:3b79d938...@news.newsguy.com...
> On 14 Aug 2001 17:48:48 -0700, wing...@hotmail.com (Jean) wrote:
>
> Led Zep has to be the all-time most over-rated band of all-time,
> including and containing all-time, and then some.
Doesn't Robert Plant sing like a eunuch? Or, at the very least, like he his
balls are in a vice.
RDR
commodious
The Liquid Moamo) wrote:
>>From: jcpr...@hotmail.comeonin (commodious)
>>Date: 8/15/01 8:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time
>>Message-id: <3b7a92b6...@news.newsguy.com>
>>
>>On Tue, 14 Aug 2001 21:56:30 -0700, "TODD TAMANEND CLARK"
>><tama...@charterpa.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> ... (maybe even FZ would agree).
>>>
>>>You really are clueless about Frank's extremely low
>>>regard for the commercial music business, aren't you ?
>>>
>>>> To include Queen, Led Zep...
>>>
>>Zappa liked Queen. Especially Brian May.
>>
>
>
>Excellent guitar player.
What tone.
TODD TAMANEND CLARK
>
>> TODD TAMANEND CLARK wrote:
>>
>> Only if you apply the preprogrammed standards of
>> the dominant occupying postcolonial culture.
>
> I could see this reply if someone had objected to the
> list. But the actual objection was to the number of
> records by a particular musician of European descent
> in a field dominated by African-Americans. What did I
> miss ?
The dominant Eurocentric culture has a long history of
oppressing African-Americans as well as Native
Americans, and part of that oppression is through the
control of finances and media. Furthermore, overtly
commercial music made by musicians of all ethnicities is
continuously promoted at the expense of fine art and
avant-garde music made by musicians of all ethnicities,
especially if that music contains sociological criticism
and/or political dissent as Frank Zappa's frequently did.
My point was that even within the jazz genre, censorship
of more extreme musics still occurs.
Todd Tamanend Clark
Author/Composer/Recording Artist/Activist
Turtle Island, Western Hemisphere
--
"Smash the control images; smash the control machine."
- - William S. Burroughs
"A guitar can be the single most blasphemous device
on the face of the earth."
- - Frank Zappa
commodious
Yeah, my favorite is when he tries to mimic Jimmy Page's guitar. It's
amazing FZ waited so long to cover/parody them.
Jeroen J
I don't like Queen, except for Brian May's guitar playing. Superb tone
mastering.
O yes, the most overrated artist of the last 20 years is Prince,
right? Tell me, why is he considered a genius by so many? I tried to,
but I really don't understand - and I'm open to very different kinds
of music.
Jeroen
INEMM
>O yes, the most overrated artist of the last 20 years is Prince,
>right? Tell me, why is he considered a genius by so many? I tried to,
>but I really don't understand - and I'm open to very different kinds
>of music.
Normal people don't listen to Prince's music ... it's for dumbasses.
And when I mean dumbasses, I mean people who are customers of strip
joints, cheap bars, triple-X video rental and gambling joints.
The same place where sexual stimulation gets the bucks rollin' in.
Have you seen Demi Moore's striptease motion picture ? That's the
kind of place...
Where Madonna's music, and Prince's music, among others is played.
Locations where sexual erection and ejaculation is promoted, in
exchange for dumbass people's cash, who God-Knows where, made the
money. Maybe off drug dealing, or pimping.
But there's one good point: at least Prince is or was original..not
copying a stolen idea from someone else.
Biffy the Elephant Shrew
<tama...@charterpa.net> wrote:
>> Charles Ulrich responded when:
>>
>>> TODD TAMARIND CLARK wrote:
>>>
>>> Only if you apply the preprogrammed standards of
>>> the dominant occupying postcolonial culture.
>>
>> I could see this reply if someone had objected to the
>> number of [American] Indian artists on your instrumental
>> list. But the actual objection was to the number of
>> records by a particular musician of European descent
>> in a field dominated by African-Americans. What did I
>> miss ?
>
>The dominant Eurocentric culture has a long history of
>oppressing African-Americans as well as Native
>Americans, and part of that oppression is through the
>control of finances and media. Furthermore, overtly
>commercial music made by musicians of all ethnicities is
>continuously promoted at the expense of fine art and
>avant-garde music made by musicians of all ethnicities,
>especially if that music contains sociological criticism
>and/or political dissent as Frank Zappa's frequently did.
>
>My point was that even within the jazz genre, censorship
>of more extreme musics still occurs.
I trust *that* answers your question, Charles.
Your pal,
Biffy the Elephant Shrew
http://members.aol.com/biffyshrew/biffy.html
"How dare you stand up and talk about something when you have never
been there? Shame on you."--James Hansen, R-Utah, on Arctic drilling
commodious
I couldn't disagree more. As for him being a genius, I wouldn't know,
but he plays 14 instruments. He's a mean guitar player(better than
Zappa turned out). He writes good songs. He's as, if not more,
prolific than Zappa. He incorporates many different styles into his
music. He told Warner Bros. to kiss his ass. He's a very funky
individual who doesn't give a fuck what other people think. This is
just the short list; I could go on for hours.
When determining if music is good or bad, I always revert back to
Zappa: 'If it sounds good to you it's bitchen, if it sounds bad to you
it's shitty' If people don't like Prince's music, fine, but there is
quality in everything he does, in my opinion making any critical
acclaim justified.
BTW, Jeroen, I finished your cds last night and will be mailing today.
I'll send you an e with more detailed information.
Milhouse Guidry
qualify this with some sort of explanation.
I'm not saying this because I'm offended, I'd just like to know who in the blue
hell is doing this overrating. I don't really hear people discussing them in
polite society. LOL
--Milhouse
PAPA FEARS MILKHOUSE
http://hometown.aol.com/milhouse481/home.html
Last updated August 10, 2001
Liquid water? Made from scratch?
Milhouse Guidry
>Any critics' darling of the 1980s.
-Husker Du and the Replacements? Not likely.
Patrick Neve
> O yes, the most overrated artist of the last 20 years is Prince,
> right? Tell me, why is he considered a genius by so many? I tried to,
> but I really don't understand - and I'm open to very different kinds
> of music.
All through the 80's I could never stand his music. I'm still not too
crazy about it. But somewhere in the early 90's I saw some thing on TV
about his mobile recording studio.. he actually records some stuff while
on the freeway, in the back of the bus. I thought that was cool. It also
showed how he basically writes, produces, and arranges every last note,
and plays a lot of it too, and can actually engineer a little bit. Then
there's the enterprising spirit thing with his own clubs and the record
label and all that. That's kind of Zappa-esque. Then the program cut to
a live excerpt and he was KICKING ASS on the GUITAR! I had no idea he
could actually play the guitar, but he was rocking pretty hard, no
fooling. You'd never know it to hear the albums. So, although the records
still don't do much for me, I do have some respect for his independent
production and to some extent, his guitar chops.
Prince is one of the "smart guys" of rock and roll, who run their own show
from top to bottom. Mick Jagger falls in that category. Zappa, obviously.
Who else?
*************************************************
http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~splat/zappapage.html
Jean
> amne...@yahoo.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Erik_Fant=F8?=) wrote in message news:<26d1dc3.01081...@posting.google.com>...
> > wing...@hotmail.com (Jean) wrote in message news:<a9c7e4e9.01081...@posting.google.com>...
> > > "TODD TAMANEND CLARK" <tama...@charterpa.net> wrote in message news:<tnidpol...@corp.supernews.com>...
> > > > > Whoopysnorp evilly conspired thusly:
> > > > >
> > > > > in the history of the universe. I'll start.
> > > > >
>
> > > > > AC/DC
> > > > > The Grateful Dead
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Let's add:
> > > >
> > > > Abba
> > > > Aerosmith
> > > > Air Supply
> > > > Alabama
> > > > America
> > > > Amy Grant
> > > > Bachman-Turner Overdrive
> > > > Bad Company
> > > > Badfinger
> > > > Barry Manilow
> > > > Black Sabbath
> > > > Blind Faith
> > > > Bobby Sherman
> > > > Boston
> > > > Boz Scaggs
> > > > Bread
> > > > Britney Spears
> > > > Bush
> > > > Carole King
> > > > Cat Stevens
> > > > Chicago
> > > > Cliff Richard
> > > > Creedence Clearwater Revival
> > > > Crosby, Stills, Nash, And Young
> > > > Dan Fogelberg
> > > > Dean Martin
> > > > Deep Purple
> > > > Def Leppard
> > > > Dire Straits
> > > > Duran Duran
> > > > Elton John
> > > > Eminem
> > > > Eric Clapton
> > > > Fleetwood Mac
> > > > Foghat
> > > > Foo Fighters
> > > > Foreigner
> > > > Frank Sinatra
> > > > Frankie Avalon
> > > > Freddie And The Dreamers
> > > > Free
> > > > Gary Glitter
> > > > Gary Puckett And The Union Gap
> > > > George Michael
> > > > Grand Funk Railroad
> > > > Haircut 100
> > > > Hall And Oates
> > > > Heart
> > > > Herman's Hermits
> > > > Huey Lewis And The News
> > > > Humble Pie
> > > > Iron Maiden
> > > > James Taylor
> > > > Jim Croce
> > > > Jimmy Swaggart
> > > > Joe Cocker
> > > > John Denver
> > > > Judas Priest
> > > > KC And The Sunshine Band
> > > > Kiss
> > > > Lawrence Welk
> > > > Led Zeppelin
> > > > Lee Greenwood
> > > > Leo Sayer
> > > > Limp Bizkit
> > > > Little Feat
> > > > Loggins And Messina
> > > > Loverboy
> > > > Lynyrd Skynyrd
> > > > Men At Work
> > > > Merle Haggard
> > > > Michael Bolton
> > > > Milli Vanilli
> > > > Molly Hatchet
> > > > Motley Crue
> > > > Neil Sedaka
> > > > New Kids On The Block
> > > > N'Sync
> > > > Pat Boone
> > > > Paul McCartney
> > > > Peter Frampton
> > > > Queen
> > > > Ricky Martin
> > > > Robert Palmer
> > > > Rod Stewart
> > > > Savoy Brown
> > > > Slade
> > > > Supertramp
> > > > Sweet
> > > > The Allman Brothers
> > > > The Amazing Rhythm Aces
> > > > The Atlanta Rhythm Section
> > > > The Average White Band
> > > > The Backstreet Boys
> > > > The Bay City Rollers
> > > > The Bee Gees
> > > > The Blues Brothers
> > > > The Brooklin Bridge
> > > > The Captain And Tennille
> > > > The Carpenters
> > > > The Charlie Daniels Band
> > > > The Doobie Brothers
> > > > The Eagles
> > > > The Four Freshmen
> > > > The Four Seasons
> > > > The Four Tops
> > > > The Jackson Five
> > > > The Lettermen
> > > > The Little River Band
> > > > The Marshall Tucker Band
> > > > The Moody Blues
> > > > The 1910 Fruitgum Company
> > > > The Nitty Gritty Dirt Band
> > > > The Osmonds
> > > > The Outlaws
> > > > The Ozark Mountain Daredevils
> > > > The Police
> > > > The Sex Pistols
> > > > The Spice Girls
> > > > The Steve Miller Band
> > > > The Supremes
> > > > The Temptations
> > > > The Village People
> > > > Thirty-Eight Special
> > > > Tommy Roe
> > > > Tony Orlando And Dawn
> > > > Toto
> > > > UFO
> > > > U2
> > > > Olivia Newton-John
> > > > Uriah Heep
> > > > Van Halen
> > > > Van Morrison
> > > > Wet Willie
> > > > Yes
> > > > ZZ Top
> > > >
> > > > This list could go on for pages and pages...
> > > >
> > > > (No wonder Frank had a field day with the music industry.)
> > > >
> > > > Todd Tamanend Clark
> > > > Lyricist/Composer/Multi-Instrumentalist/Cultural Historian
> > > > Greene County, Pennsylvania
> > >
> > > Your're really out to lunch buddy, some of the aforementioned bands weren't even
> > > rated and never got critical acclaim!!! Are you really a Historian?
> > >
> > > WingMan
> >
> > I totally agree with you Jean. This guy is out to lunch with lunch-meat.
>
> intellectual snob like this loser!!) person that thought LED ZEP of
> all bands was over-rated!!
> Cheers, buddy!!!
> Jean
My apologies, I must have been drunk at the time, what I wrote should
have read:
> "Thx Erik. I knew I wasn't the only educated (not necessarily an
> intellectual snob like this loser!!) person that thought LED ZEP of
> all bands was "not" over-rated!!
> Cheers, buddy!!!
> Jean"
Even if Robert Planet really gets on my nerves (How many times did
sing the lyrics "Baby"?), I think JP was one of the best creator of
rock guitar riffs and I think that the fame Led Zep obtained is
justified. It would be a hard sell to say that all music heard on main
stream radio is crap!!
Don't get me wrong, in my mind, the music of FZ is by far the best
(this is my personal opinion, and I'm not trying to convince anyone
else of it!!) and it makes the music of Led Zep look very embryonic,
but does that mean that Led Zep doesn't have it's own little place in
history? I would even say that FZ was more of a genius than John
Coltrane (and I'm a huge JC fan given the amazing way he was able to
put himself out there) and FZ was first and foremost a composer and
then a musician, whereas JC was more of a musician/improviser. I know
everyone knows all this stuff, I'm just trying to explain a bit where
I come from: alittle place in Hell called France lol
When FZ did the cover of Stearway to Heaven do you really think he was
laughing or mocking Led Zep or did he actually think it was a nice
tune that he could interpret in his own way? Isn't imitation the
highest form of flattery?
Peace all
WingMan
mukamuk
> Mukamuk, did you just say Negativland were overrated? I command that you
> qualify this with some sort of explanation.
>
> I'm not saying this because I'm offended, I'd just like to know who in the
blue
> hell is doing this overrating. I don't really hear people discussing them in
> polite society. LOL
Negativland are overrated among the more-alternative-than-thou intelligentsia
(e.g. college radio snobs, music critics). For a band that polite society
doesn't listen to, they get an awful lot of positive press. I say they're
overrated because although college radio worships at their feet, only a few of
their albums are really great, and they've flooded the market with inferior
product. A lot of the Over the Edge shows were probably better in the moment
when first broadcast, and not really worthy of official release. They peaked in
the 80's and have been treading water for the last decade.
Ditto The Residents. I like them an awful lot, but too much of what they've
done is underwhelming, and they're coasting on their hip reputation amongst the
guardians of high culture.
I haven't really listened to the radio or watched TV for years, so I guess my
value system is kind of warped. ;-) My benchmark for "overrated" is The Wire,
not Rolling Stone.
--dank
mukamuk
> O yes, the most overrated artist of the last 20 years is Prince,
> right? Tell me, why is he considered a genius by so many? I tried to,
> but I really don't understand - and I'm open to very different kinds
> of music.
Even though I include Prince on my own overrated list, I'll defend him. His
output from 1982 to 1988 was truly genius, and he's done some stomping tracks
since then, even if the albums have been patchy. See also Commodius' and Neve's
responses for stuff I won't repeat, but agree with.
It's just a crying shame that he's completely lost his mind. Jehovah's Witless
and all that. I think I'd rather he be an Appliantologist -- at least then he'd
still be capable of making good music without preaching about the Rainbow
Children and looking for a woman who'll be barefoot and pregnant for him, like
the good lord Jehovah commands. Rerecording his old songs with new
Jesus-friendly lyrics and no curse words -- eew! Where is THAT at?
He's struck great blows against the music industry in the 90s, for which I
admire him, though his music has gone severely downhill and he evidently
misplaced the quality control button around 1993. So to rate him as a *current*
genius is to overrate him. He's in deep trouble these days. But I don't hold
that against his brilliant music from the past. I mean, look at George Clinton,
then vs. now; you gonna throw out your Parliament records just 'cause he later
misplaced the funk?
--dank
TTuerff
<< NUDEADGUY wrote...
>Any critics' darling of the 1980s.
And then he wrote:
-Husker Du and the Replacements? Not likely.>>
To which I reply: Yeah, you're right. I was thinking mostly about big hair
bands and those bands that Frank so eloquently referred to at "Tinseltown
Rebellion Bands from downtown Hollywooooooooood..."
TT
PatHavican
>>done is underwhelming, and they're coasting on their hip reputation amongst
>the
>>guardians of high culture.
I personally think the residents newest stuff is some of their best. The Road
Worms album and the Icky Flix album are probably my two favorite Residents
albums
ZOOGZ RIFT - The Liquid Moamo
>Date: 8/16/01 1:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <9lh9b...@drn.newsguy.com>
>
>On 16 Aug 2001 19:41:42 GMT, "mukamuk" let go of his pickle, and out
>jumped...
>
>>Ditto The Residents. I like them an awful lot, but too much of what they've
>>done is underwhelming, and they're coasting on their hip reputation amongst
>the
>>guardians of high culture.
>
>a
>copy of "Fingerprince." Harry Partch lives!!
>
> chuck_spinach
>
I don't.
And I hate the fucking Residents--phoney baloney crap!
Proulx
"ZOOGZ RIFT - The Liquid Moamo" <liqui...@aol.combiteme> wrote in message
news:20010817000941...@ng-cn1.aol.com...
> >From: ChuckSpinach yobigfatdumbd...@hotmail.com
> >Date: 8/16/01 1:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time
> >Message-id: <9lh9b...@drn.newsguy.com>
> >
> >On 16 Aug 2001 19:41:42 GMT, "mukamuk" let go of his pickle, and out
> >jumped...
> >
> >>Ditto The Residents. I like them an awful lot, but too much of what
they've
> >>done is underwhelming, and they're coasting on their hip reputation
amongst
> >the
> >>guardians of high culture.
> >
> >Never mind that. Every fan/friend of "innaresting" music should own at
least
> >a
> >copy of "Fingerprince." Harry Partch lives!!
> >
> > chuck_spinach
> >
>
>
> I don't.
>
> And I hate the fucking Residents--phoney baloney crap!
Hmmm . . .
Perhaps this is Zoogz's way of keeping us away from the truth. Perhaps
Zoogz is ONE OF THE RESIDENTS!!!
Nah, I don't think so.
NP I'll Cry Instead (one of my personal favorite Beatles songs)
Beatles
A Hard Day's Night
Proulx
--
We destroyed, we insulted, we despised - and we laughed. we laughed at
everything. We laughed at ourselves just as we laughed at Emperor, King and
Country, fat bellies and baby-pacifiers. We took our laughter seriously;
laughter was the only guarantee of the seriousness with which, on our voyage
of self-discovery, we practiced anti-art.
Hans Richter
Milhouse Guidry
>Ditto The Residents. I like them an awful lot, but too much of what they've
>done is underwhelming, and they're coasting on their hip reputation amongst
>the
>guardians of high culture.
-I really only like their early stuff (I'd say the cut off point is "Eskimo",
which was their last all-new album that I like, although I don't like it very
much) so, you know, it really doesn't matter to me anymore. I mean, if they're
coasting on their reputation, let 'em. I'm not gonna get my panties in a wad.
You still love me, right?
ZOOGZ RIFT - The Liquid Moamo
>Date: 8/16/01 11:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <tnpeors...@corp.supernews.com>
>
>
>"ZOOGZ RIFT - The Liquid Moamo" <liqui...@aol.combiteme> wrote in message
>news:20010817000941...@ng-cn1.aol.com...
>> >From: ChuckSpinach yobigfatdumbd...@hotmail.com
>> >Date: 8/16/01 1:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time
>> >Message-id: <9lh9b...@drn.newsguy.com>
>> >
>> >On 16 Aug 2001 19:41:42 GMT, "mukamuk" let go of his pickle, and out
>> >jumped...
>> >
>> >>Ditto The Residents. I like them an awful lot, but too much of what
>they've
>> >>done is underwhelming, and they're coasting on their hip reputation
>amongst
>> >the
>> >>guardians of high culture.
>> >
>> >Never mind that. Every fan/friend of "innaresting" music should own at
>least
>> >a
>> >copy of "Fingerprince." Harry Partch lives!!
>> >
>> > chuck_spinach
>> >
>>
>>
>> I don't.
>>
>> And I hate the fucking Residents--phoney baloney crap!
>
>Hmmm . . .
>
>Perhaps this is Zoogz's way of keeping us away from the truth. Perhaps
>Zoogz is ONE OF THE RESIDENTS!!!
Nope. I AM one of THE TRANSIENTS, however...(see my catalog for details)
;)
Sneelock
I really like their stuff up to and including "The Big Bubble"
Then something changed.
I think somebody left or was replaced. things go all diminishing
returnsey from then on (for me)
I still give Buster and Glen/Duck Stab a spin now and then. That one
can still shake my fluids up.
Return to Sender
hans
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In artikel <20010815140059...@mb-fn.aol.com>,
liqui...@aol.combiteme (ZOOGZ RIFT - The Liquid Moamo) schreef:
>>From: jcpr...@hotmail.comeonin (commodious)
>>Date: 8/15/01 8:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time
>>Message-id: <3b7a92b6...@news.newsguy.com>
>>
>>On Tue, 14 Aug 2001 21:56:30 -0700, "TODD TAMANEND CLARK"
>><tama...@charterpa.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> ... (maybe even FZ would agree).
>>>
>>>You really are clueless about Frank's extremely low
>>>regard for the commercial music business, aren't you ?
>>>
>>>> To include Queen, Led Zep...
>>>
>>Zappa liked Queen. Especially Brian May.
>>
>
>
> Excellent guitar player.
>
>
a pity he didn't play in a different band then.
Hanzo
hans
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In artikel <3b7bd262...@news.newsguy.com>, jcpr...@hotmail.comeonin
(commodious) schreef:
I agree Prince did some great things, but nowadays I think he's only a
parody of himself + he found the Lord, yech.
Hanzo
hans
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In artikel <a9c7e4e9.01081...@posting.google.com>,
wing...@hotmail.com (Jean) schreef:
>
> When FZ did the cover of Stearway to Heaven do you really think he was
> laughing or mocking Led Zep or did he actually think it was a nice
> tune that he could interpret in his own way? Isn't imitation the
> highest form of flattery?
>
> Peace all
and a whole lotta love
Hanzo
Jeroen J
He deserves credits for the way he's running his own business in the
music world. And his guitar chops are more than decent for an artist
from his 'genre'.
But I never could detect anything special in his music, even if he
would play all instruments together. The fact that he incorporated so
many styles in his music is exactly what makes me wonder how much of
his music is his own, actually? Every time I heard it, I went like,
'hey this sounds like ....' or 'this was already done 10 years ago
by....'.
Also, I think he never spoke out against censorship in music like
Zappa did, although he was one of the targeted artists. His attitude
was 'kiss my ass', but he did not really oppose against the idea,
because I think he just didn't care. Actually it helped to make him
more popular.
OK, his music just isn't my cup of tea. Still, I'm not even saying
'Prince is shit' (I don't think that's right), and I do think he
deserves a place in rock history. But considering the massive
admiration by the so-called 'serious music press', I think the term
'overrated' qualifies.
Looking forward to the cds btw, although I can't even remember exactly
what I picked ;-)
Jeroen
TODD TAMANEND CLARK
> "Proulx" wrote:
>
> Hmmm . . .
>
> Perhaps this is Zoogz's way of keeping us away from
> the truth.
>
> Perhaps Zoogz is ONE OF THE RESIDENTS !!!
No, I know The Residents; The Residents are friends of
mine; and Zoogz is no Resident.
I worked as a sound engineer on The Residents thirteenth
anniversary tour in 1986. The lead singer of The Residents
and I both moved to Waynesburg (the county seat of
Greene County) in 1965. We both eventually moved on to
San Francisco, where he still lives.
Todd Tamanend Clark
Vocalist/Multi-Instrumentalist/Performance Artist
Greene County, Pennsylvania
Jean
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> In artikel <3b7bd262...@news.newsguy.com>, jcpr...@hotmail.comeonin
> (commodious) schreef:
>
>
> > On 16 Aug 2001 03:47:07 -0700, jans...@piaggio.nl (Jeroen J) wrote:
> >
> >>jcpr...@hotmail.comeonin (commodious) wrote in message
> news:<3b7a92b6...@news.newsguy.com>...
> >>> On Tue, 14 Aug 2001 21:56:30 -0700, "TODD TAMANEND CLARK"
> >>> <tama...@charterpa.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> >> ... (maybe even FZ would agree).
> >>> >
> >>> >You really are clueless about Frank's extremely low
> >>> >regard for the commercial music business, aren't you ?
> >>> >
> >>> >> To include Queen, Led Zep...
> >>> >
> >>> Zappa liked Queen. Especially Brian May.
> >>
> >>
> >>I don't like Queen, except for Brian May's guitar playing. Superb tone
> >>mastering.
> >>
> >>O yes, the most overrated artist of the last 20 years is Prince,
> >>right? Tell me, why is he considered a genius by so many? I tried to,
> >>but I really don't understand - and I'm open to very different kinds
> >>of music.
> >>
> >>Jeroen
> > I couldn't disagree more. As for him being a genius, I wouldn't know,
> > but he plays 14 instruments. He's a mean guitar player(better than
> > Zappa turned out).
You really think Prince is a better guitar player than FZ? Sorry,
but I must disagree. FZ came up with choices of notes/note sequences
that would make Prince's guitar playing look infantile. FZ was not a
guitar acrobat, but the stuff he played on guitar was by far, more
original than anything Prince ever did on guitar (or ever will do for
that matter!!!), or am I really missing something?
Cheers,
WingMan
Jean
a whole lotta of love indeed!!!!!
Whoopysnorp
maybe I'm wrong, but I likes it!
Patrick Neve
> "ZOOGZ RIFT - The Liquid Moamo" <liqui...@aol.combiteme> wrote in message
> news:20010817000941...@ng-cn1.aol.com...
> > And I hate the fucking Residents--phoney baloney crap!
>
> Hmmm . . .
>
> Perhaps this is Zoogz's way of keeping us away from the truth. Perhaps
> Zoogz is ONE OF THE RESIDENTS!!!
Oh my god.. you may be right!!!
> Nah, I don't think so.
Nah, me either. Those are all medium-sized tuxedos...
commodious
No argument there.
commodious
You're missing something. I said Prince is a better guitar player than Zappa
turned out, not better than Zappa ever was. There's a difference. For me Zappa's
guitar playing peak, for originality and ability, was 1982. By 1988 he was a
downright boring guitar player. Make no mistake, I prefer Zappa to Prince 100 to
1, but Prince had a lot going for him.
Cheers
commodious
Perhaps you're right. One point: Prince's guitar chops are more than decent for
an artist from ANY 'genre'.
>
>Looking forward to the cds btw, although I can't even remember exactly
>what I picked ;-)
>
>Jeroen
All 80's stuff.
mukamuk
> MUKAMUK wrote...
> >Ditto The Residents. I like them an awful lot, but too much of what they've
> >done is underwhelming, and they're coasting on their hip reputation amongst
> >amongst the guardians of high culture.
>
> -I really only like their early stuff (I'd say the cut off point is "Eskimo",
> which was their last all-new album that I like, although I don't like it very
> much) so, you know, it really doesn't matter to me anymore. I mean, if they're
> coasting on their reputation, let 'em. I'm not gonna get my panties in a wad.
I'll go one album further -- I like the Commercial Album a lot. After that, I
find myself in the strange position of liking their "singles" and "hits" (yeah,
the quotes are necessary... this is The Residents we're talking about...) but
not the albums. The 4-CD version of Our Tired, Our Poor, our Huddled Masses is
one of my most-listened to things, because it collects most of their great
individual songs. Plus it condenses albums into miniature 10-minute suites, in
many cases demonstrating that they *did* have 10 minutes' worth of a great idea,
though not 40 or 50.
Several people have mentioned Wormwood. It's OK. I really want to like it
more, but I don't. Again, a good concept, a few good songs, and too much
unlistenable crap where the guy just screams a bunch.
Hey, that's it! I just realized what I don't like about the Res's anymore.
It's that the guy started screaming all the time in the 80's and never let up.
I kinda hate his voice. Now that they're letting Molly sing, lately, things are
looking up.
Oh. Their CD-roms are cool too. They go some way towards making up for
lackluster music.
> You still love me, right?
Truly, madly, deeply... though I'm not sure how I feel about you stretching my
head on your picture page.
--dank
Sneelock
wish you guys would stop spoiling mom.
she's getting used to all the attention.
I suspected this might be the name of a Residents fan.
"An edge is only an edge, even the Empire State Building has one"
Somebody played me part of "The Gingerbread Man" which, come to think
of it, was pretty neat.
So thanks! "Wormwood"s on my needs to hear list.
Dash Riprock
and Whoopysnorped away
syd
When you go to the dentist and he shines that big 'ol light down your
throat, does the light shine out your ass? The only reason I ask is that
you obviously lack anything of substance to take up the space between your
ears.
Here's a clue; only a moron needs to tell everyone else he's smart.
Do yourself, and everyone else, a favor tonight; when you are all alone in
your bedroom (like always) , and the lonliness gets to be too much, instead
of jumping online and annoying everyone on usenet with the waste of
bandwidth that is your posts, throw yourself on something sharp (not like
your wit) and long (not like a list of your accomplishments). Your pain
will end, and so will ours.
Lewis R. Saul
news:tnr1og2...@corp.supernews.com...
> Todd....
accomplishments). Your pain
> will end, and so will ours.
No one is forcing you to read Todd's posts.
Whoopysnorp
Wow. If you ain't bullshittin', that's hella cool. Tell them I think they rock.
John Hutchison
puts it up is ass, eh? And he lights it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, get that guy!
Get that guy! Performance artist, huh? Alright, [laughs] never heard of
that one before. Yeah, bring him down. Well, let me ask ya somethin' -
does he, can he do it with a can of beans too?"
Nothing personal Todd, just couldn't resist the quote.
John
TODD TAMANEND CLARK <tama...@charterpa.net> wrote in message
news:tnq15t...@corp.supernews.com...
>
Jean
cool, I understand your point,
Cheers
TODD TAMANEND CLARK
> "Syd" sadistically snarled:
>
> Here's a clue; only a moron needs to tell everyone else
> he's smart.
Syd, Syd, Syd,
You and all the others who are freaking out about my
posts (several of which were done with at least some
degree of tongue in cheek and/or self-aware sense of
the absurd) would not have lasted five minutes in a
face to face conversation with Frank.
Even less with William Burroughs or Salvador Dali.
And I'd give you about ten seconds with Harlan Ellison.
Also, if you read back over all the posts, you will notice
that not once was I ever nasty to anyone who was not
nasty to me first, and even then, I ignored many of
the antagonistic and uncalled for insults that were
spewed forth.
Think about it. Why do so many of you feel psychologically
threatened by my presence here ? All I'm doing is sharing
information about art. You are under no obligation to like
or dislike the same art that I do or don't. You're also not
under any obligation to even read my posts.
Like Frank said, it's OPTIONAL entertainment.
Sincerely,
Todd Tamanend Clark
Erik Fantø
> "syd" <sigm...@excite.com> wrote:
> > Todd....
>
> accomplishments). Your pain
> > will end, and so will ours.
>
> No one is forcing you to read Todd's posts.
Even I'm not that cold hearted.
R.Ellis
>
> You and all the others who are freaking out about my
> posts (several of which were done with at least some
> degree of tongue in cheek and/or self-aware sense of
> the absurd) would not have lasted five minutes in a
> face to face conversation with Frank.
>
> Even less with William Burroughs or Salvador Dali.
>
> And I'd give you about ten seconds with Harlan Ellison.
What a thought! Dinner with Frank, Bill B., Sal Dali and Harlan E.!
Add Bob Dylan, Sam Beckett, and Thomas Pynchon - you'd have me in the
next room, afraid to utter a word. I've often wondered what I'd say
were I to meet (had I met) FZ which wouldn't bring about the old fish-eye
and some comment I wish I'd never heard...
*Intimidation's* the word.
Maybe - maybe that's why, Todd, you get sooo many uptight responses to your
posts? I'm a newbie (couple weeks is all) to newsgroups and I find at least
one person on each of my "favorites" who seems to "know" plenty about art,
literature or music, and isn't afraid to expound theories thereon.
My tendency is to read the post and then re-listen (or re read) the
material. I try not to be intimidated but sometimes it just happens
because I'm a tiny bit defensive about my shortcomings when it comes
to reading or listening carefully.
AND -- it's all a matter of taste (he said as he took another hit of
Merlot).
Hang in...
Dick E.
My superiority to nothing has often been commented on.
Samuel Beckett
Jean
LMFAO you're bang on syd, nice to see I'm not the only who thinks this
guy's a wanker.
Cheers,
Wingman