Are Zappa lyrics inherantly sexist (all ‘titties n beer’ and ‘crew slut’) ?
DeityGirl
Deity Girl
The Slice
> Or is this a popular misconception ?
No no, it's all true.... er... deal with it.
--
The Slice
sli...@trrko.abel.co.uk
http://i.am/not.kevin.bacon
Geir Corneliussen
>
> Or is this a popular misconception ?
>
Bizarre question like this, is very common among people in religious
areas that have never heard Zappa's songs, or never heard about a
crewslut. Life on the road can be a very wacky affair.
Zappa made some songs, some wich happened to have something to do with
sex, for some strange reason, since sex is so incredibly uncommon. And
there were some crewsluts and some gays and some straights and some
other speceimens of the human race fuckin' around, and Frank thought
they were amusing enough to end up as the lyrics to a song. Most of the
sexistic songs, was made to please the audience, since they really loved
them. "Titties and beer" and "Dinahmoe Hum" are among these. Zappa
always used to say stuff like "Thanks to Titties and Dinahmoe, I was
able to pay the London Symhony orchestra etc etc.." So they would
probably never exsisted if there were no money in it. So it's also about
making up some easy-to-sell-songs to get the real stuff done. I am one
of those who think "Titties and Dinahmoe etc" are among his most boring
songs. When it come to nailing it down to "sexsism", one can recognize
(by listening) that the songs that have sexual content, makes more fun
of men than women. Zappa liked groupies and crewsluts. He didn't viewed
them as secondary humans at all. Just because some women hang around at
concerts and want to give their hero a blowjob, doesen't make them any
less worth than others. We males sometimes tend to have a "Whore/Madonna
complexion". Some girls you just have fun with, others are suddenly good
enough to marry. Next thing you know, you visit her hometown, talk with
the locals and find out your madonna was...let's just say less a
madonna. So I don't think there is much of a difference anyway. By
simply listening thru his collection, you will notice how little sex
there actually is. Just some ten percent are about sexual acts. Most of
Zappas songs, were an incredibly mixture of ideas floating around, and I
think the few songs he wrote about sex, were neither sexistic nor
degrading for anyone. They were "about" those people, actual
observations. None were holy cows for Zappa. And Zappa sure were good
at dragging up peoples pervertions! The more hilarious, the better! One
of my favourite albums, "Joes Garage", has this unbeliveable bizarre
story about a guy that has been brainwashed by a cult to belive that the
only way to gain happiness, is to have sex with kitchenmachines and
mechanical appliances. You should go buy the record and start listening.
There is a whole lot of fun going on there!
Meanwhile, you can visit the "church" online, right here!
Welcome to the First Church of APPLIANTOLOGY !
http://home.sol.no/~corn/enter.htm
Darkhop
>
> Or is this a popular misconception ?
The popular misconception arises because people hear *about* the songs
and rarely listen to the actual music, which would make their satirical
intent clearer. Then again, there's a certain number that would refuse
to acknowledge it even then.
/JSH
ZappaLVR
writes:
>None were holy cows for Zappa. And Zappa sure were good
>at dragging up peoples pervertions! The more hilarious, the better! One
>of my favourite albums, "Joes Garage", has this unbeliveable bizarre
>story about a guy that has been brainwashed by a cult to belive that the
>only way to gain happiness, is to have sex with kitchenmachines and
>mechanical appliances. You should go buy the record and start listening.
>There is a whole lot of fun going on there!
>Meanwhile, you can visit the "church" online, right here!
AMEN brother!
Very much enjoyed your whole post here, Geir. Couldn't have said it better
myself!
Zapp...@aol.com aka Chris Maxfield
http://members.aol.com/zappalvr/ZAPPA.html
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John Henley
deit...@aol.com (DeityGirl) wrote:
> Or is this a popular misconception ?
>
>
> Deity Girl
Zappa's own response to the question goes something
like this (and this is a paraphrase from memory):
"I don't discriminate. Women do stupid things just
as much as guys do. So just because you got that thing
between your legs, don't think you're exempt."
I'm not sure that particular statement is going to
clear things up for you.....:-)
(He wrote plenty of songs that aren't about stupid
women - i.e., "Dancin' Fool" - and also plenty of
songs that weren't about sex. He even wrote a sweet
song on occasion.)
John Henley
Austin TX
SR Lewis
DeityGirl wrote:
> Or is this a popular misconception ?
I think he was more of a behavioralist than a sexist, marching to expose
and stamp out stupidity wherever it thrust its golden nuggets in his
face, regardless of gender. Scrape off the Flakes, he say, and behave
yourself today!
Crew Slut is an exception, but I think the lady comes off as pretty
superior to the guys and *typical guy behavior* in Titties and Beer.
--
Best to all
Steve
http://www.hyperindex.com/srl/
kipmat
-> Or is this a popular misconception ?
nice try, but you can't fool this moron twice.
scu...@webtv.net
in it .
Sean
Jeff Szarka
:Or is this a popular misconception ?
Many of the songs are true, there are guys who ride motorcycles who
only want titties and beer. And there are crew sluts. The darkest side
of Fz's so called sexist nature was his speech about women from an 84
show("There are 3 types of women.....")
Other than that, Frank was mostly just writing songs about everyday
life.
Jon Naurin
>Many of the songs are true, there are guys who ride motorcycles who
>only want titties and beer. And there are crew sluts. The darkest side
>of Fz's so called sexist nature was his speech about women from an 84
>show("There are 3 types of women.....")
I can't point out any particular Zappa lyrics that are especially sexist. But
looking at his output as a whole, it's easy to get the impression that he saw
women as blowjob machines, and not much else. Some speeches he gave live (like
the one Jeff mentioned) plus his comments about Ruth did not make things
better.
Sure, pretty much every group of people were depicted in less than flattering
ways, but his stereotyping of the female persuasion was striking IMO - I can't
think of many lyrics about women where she doesn't end up on her knees.
Whether that makes FZ a sexist or not, I don't know, but it's one side of him
that I'm not too fond of.
- Jon
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Check out the Zappa concert database FZShows at:
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Michael Pierry
Jon Naurin wrote:
>
>
> Sure, pretty much every group of people were depicted in less than flattering
> ways, but his stereotyping of the female persuasion was striking IMO - I can't
> think of many lyrics about women where she doesn't end up on her knees.
> Whether that makes FZ a sexist or not, I don't know, but it's one side of him
> that I'm not too fond of.
>
I agree. I sometimes find myself laughing AT Frank rather than with him
in some of the lyrics or speeches you're describing. I do think that
there's been too much excusing of Frank's attitudes toward women. It
seems to me it's much easier to just ADMIT Frank was kinda sexist (like
most men aren't??) and get OVER it already, rather than analyzing every
little lyric and trying to explain it away, like so it always turns out
that Frank is some sort of God-like master of all that is fair and good
and in the end he was ALWAYS right. FZ was one of the greatest
composers of all time, and made some of the fucking greatest music we'll
ever get to hear on this planet; isn't that enough?? Nobody's perfect.
Besides, I'm a firm believer in Frank's lyrical abilities, and even when
steeped in sexism, I still think they're amazing. People often accused
Frank of being this cold person who wrote these sex-obsessed lyrics,
making it seem like what he wrote had nothing to do with himself (in
contrast to sensitive singer-songwriter types who write from their
deepest most heartfelt emotions). But in fact if you think about it,
the lyrics to all those songs are an extension of his mind, they come
from his brain. They're just as personal as any like Joni Mitchell
lyrics or something (frightening as that might seem). If you want to
know about Frank, and the way he thought and felt and what he thought
was funny, look no further than his lyrics.
<*/*> NINJA <*/*>
>
>>Many of the songs are true, there are guys who ride motorcycles who
>>only want titties and beer. And there are crew sluts. The darkest side
>>of Fz's so called sexist nature was his speech about women from an 84
>>show("There are 3 types of women.....")
>
>I can't point out any particular Zappa lyrics that are especially sexist. But
>looking at his output as a whole, it's easy to get the impression that he saw
>women as blowjob machines, and not much else. Some speeches he gave live (like
>the one Jeff mentioned) plus his comments about Ruth did not make things
>better.
>
>ways, but his stereotyping of the female persuasion was striking IMO - I can't
>think of many lyrics about women where she doesn't end up on her knees.
>Whether that makes FZ a sexist or not, I don't know, but it's one side of him
>that I'm not too fond of.
>
>
>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>To reply, swap "swop" for "swip" in my address.
>Check out the Zappa concert database FZShows at:
> http://www.frontiernet.net/~prem/fzshows.htm
yes but didnt he donate his time to the right to life movement
which is mostly a womens issue
Michael Pierry
"<*/*> NINJA <*/*>" wrote:
>
>
> yes but didnt he donate his time to the right to life movement
Did he? I may yet have to burn all my Zappa albums.
>
> which is mostly a womens issue
>
Not to the right-to-lifers, it ain't.
<*/*> NINJA <*/*>
wait i think i made a boo -boo here
i mean he supported a womens right to chose
jesh
so i stand corrected
as i to belive
one should be able to end ones own life if they wish
scu...@webtv.net
problem with women at all , i think it was that females of the species
who weren't women that he wrote , talked , and sang about . i think he
had an extremely high regard for any women he ever met ..... what he was
singing about was the stupidity of people . in the case of girls he felt
it was dumb to be a walking blowjob , or to be overly dependent on a man
for any reason . he wanted to end the belief in foolish fairytales , and
old fashioned values . it was all part of the conceptual continuity ....
the dada-esque belief that everything that came before was wrong , and
it was time to tell the truth .
he did the same shit to us guys , with our foolishness about being the
big strong macho guy ... to show how foolish our insatiable persuit of
sex in general is . lets face it , most of us don't even care about the
tits , anything with a hole and a heartbeat will do ...... i think he
said and did whatever he felt was necessary to make us think about how
we behave . and if it offends it makes you think just a lttle more ,
unless you're too stupid to think .
Sean
Dennis Guertin
Does anyone think FZ released the recording of the girl dealing a trip to
Orlando in return for doing all the guys in the crew as a slur against all
de wimmen of de world?
No. Do I think that girl was stupid? Yes. Do I think FZ thought she was
stupid. Yes.
Now for this to become "sexist" all it takes is one (probably) female to
disagree. Fuck that shit.
scu...@webtv.net wrote in message
<27429-37...@newsd-231.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...
Dan Watkins
> I think the question is stupid. Does "sexist" suddenly mean only women?
>
> Does anyone think FZ released the recording of the girl dealing a trip to
> Orlando in return for doing all the guys in the crew as a slur against all
> de wimmen of de world?
>
> No. Do I think that girl was stupid? Yes. Do I think FZ thought she was
> stupid. Yes.
>
> Now for this to become "sexist" all it takes is one (probably) female to
> disagree. Fuck that shit.
I agree. If a man claimed to be offended by a woman making a joke at
men, he would be laughed at. However, if a woman claimed to be
offended by a man, it would be different. Give me a break.
-Dan
--
"There is no Hell... only France!" -FZ
Dan's Frank Zappa Page
http://members.xoom.com/The_Mothers
AOL Screen Name: madcow1515
ICQ Number: 30083560
Jeff Szarka
wrote:
:
:
:Jon Naurin wrote:
:>
:>
:> Sure, pretty much every group of people were depicted in less than flattering
:> ways, but his stereotyping of the female persuasion was striking IMO - I can't
:> think of many lyrics about women where she doesn't end up on her knees.
:> Whether that makes FZ a sexist or not, I don't know, but it's one side of him
:> that I'm not too fond of.
:>
:
:I agree. I sometimes find myself laughing AT Frank rather than with him
:in some of the lyrics or speeches you're describing. I do think that
:there's been too much excusing of Frank's attitudes toward women. It
:seems to me it's much easier to just ADMIT Frank was kinda sexist (like
:most men aren't??) and get OVER it already, rather than analyzing every
:little lyric and trying to explain it away, like so it always turns out
:that Frank is some sort of God-like master of all that is fair and good
:and in the end he was ALWAYS right. FZ was one of the greatest
:composers of all time, and made some of the fucking greatest music we'll
:ever get to hear on this planet; isn't that enough?? Nobody's perfect.
:
:Besides, I'm a firm believer in Frank's lyrical abilities, and even when
:steeped in sexism, I still think they're amazing. People often accused
:Frank of being this cold person who wrote these sex-obsessed lyrics,
:making it seem like what he wrote had nothing to do with himself (in
:contrast to sensitive singer-songwriter types who write from their
:deepest most heartfelt emotions). But in fact if you think about it,
:the lyrics to all those songs are an extension of his mind, they come
:from his brain. They're just as personal as any like Joni Mitchell
:lyrics or something (frightening as that might seem). If you want to
:know about Frank, and the way he thought and felt and what he thought
:was funny, look no further than his lyrics.
This is a big MAYBE but I wonder if since Frank was pretty much a
freak people were scared of when he was a kid maybe he felt alienated
from girls. On Uncle Meat it sounds like Frank sure uh, enjoyed his
groupie's so by that time maybe all he did see women as were talking
blow jobs.
Kent Langsjoen
Dan Watkins <dan_w...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Dennis Guertin wrote:
>
> > I think the question is stupid. Does "sexist" suddenly mean only
women?
> >
> > Does anyone think FZ released the recording of the girl dealing a
trip to
> > Orlando in return for doing all the guys in the crew as a slur
against all
> > de wimmen of de world?
> >
> > No. Do I think that girl was stupid? Yes. Do I think FZ thought she
was
> > stupid. Yes.
> >
> > Now for this to become "sexist" all it takes is one (probably)
female to
> > disagree. Fuck that shit.
>
> I agree. If a man claimed to be offended by a woman making a joke at
> men, he would be laughed at. However, if a woman claimed to be
> offended by a man, it would be different. Give me a break.
>
> -Dan
An author named R.F. Laird made some similar observations in a
satirical book of his called "The Naked Woman." Unfortunately,
publishers aren't touching it because they're scared of some kind of
feminist back-lash. Since most of the people in this newsgroup are
against censorship, I don't think it is totally inappropriate of me to
urge you to sign an online petition imploring publishers to reconsider
"The Naked Woman." The petition is at
http://www.voicenet.com/~rjdavey/TheNakedWoman/Petition.html. I sure
signed it, and look at where I am now! There are links there to more
information about the book, if you're interested.
(Other than because I am anti-censorship, the reason I care so much
about this is because I am a fan of another work of Laird's, called
"The Boomer Bible." Truly a work of genius. Check it out; you might
like it.)
Signed,
Kent
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
platypus
Darkhop <johnh...@BEST.GUESSdarkhop.com> schreef in berichtnieuws
374D33...@BEST.GUESSdarkhop.com...
> DeityGirl wrote:
> >
> > Or is this a popular misconception ?
>
> and rarely listen to the actual music, which would make their satirical
> intent clearer. Then again, there's a certain number that would refuse
> to acknowledge it even then.
One of the reasons that i liked Zappa before i even heard his music, was the
fact that he was the only well known artist that supported Jello Biafra
(lead singer of the punkband Dead Kennedys) openly during the Frankenchrist
trial. Biafra was accused of distributing harmfull manners to minors
(because of some artwork that was included in the Frankenchrist album) and
faced a 40.000 dollar fine and a year in prison. Zappa gave Biafra some very
valuable advice: never apologize for your art. If people find your lyrics or
artwork offensive, degrading, or even encouraging teenagers to kill
themselves, it's up to them to prove it. B.t.w, my wife still laughs her
ass off when she hears "I Have Been In You" and my sisters favourite Zappa
song is "Catholic Girls", so it can't be all that bad. We even sing "Jewish
Princess" while doing the dishes, wich makes that ordeal very bearable. And
as far as i know, Biafra never took any offense about what Zappa said about
punkrock.
Biafra and Zappa have one thing in common: neither have their albumcovers
being mutilated with parental advisory stickers; let's keep it that way.
One question pops up: is it hard to buy Zappa albums at walmart?
Dan Watkins
> One question pops up: is it hard to buy Zappa albums at walmart?
Good question. I don't know if Zappa albums are on Walmart's black list, but I
have certainly never seen a Zappa CD there. You should ask if they can order
Thing-Fish for you.
-Dan
--
"There is no Hell... only France!" -FZ
Dan's Frank Zappa Page
http://members.xoom.com/_XOOM/The_Mothers/index.html
Ingalls38
And yet another question pops up: why would you waste your time buying albums
at Wal Mart? A great thing about the USA is our wide availability of terrific
record stores. Wal-Mart isn't one of them.
Chris
platypus
Ingalls38 <inga...@aol.com> schreef in berichtnieuws
19990530014532...@ng-fy1.aol.com...
Apparently you don't live in Oatmealville Nebraska... ;)
A lot of people who live in small towns are totally dependant on large
chainstores and Wal-Mart is notorious for their attitude to any musician
that is more offensive then, let's say, Phil Collins. If they don't like
it, they refuse to store it, which means a loss of thousands of sales for a
recordlabel. Those recordcompanys take notice too and start censoring their
bands just to please Wal-Mart. A hilarious example is a Nirvana song called
"rape me" on the "In Utero" album. Needless to say, Wal-Mart was not amused
and refused to stock the album. Geffen, Nirvana's record company, responded
immediately and changed the title of the song into "wave me". And this just
one little example. There are also Wal-Mart versions of records were all the
f*** words are electronically altered.
I would love to have Wal-Mart versions of Zappa records, the alternative
titles alone would make it worthwhile...
Dan Watkins
> Apparently you don't live in Oatmealville Nebraska... ;)
>
> A lot of people who live in small towns are totally dependant on large
> chainstores and Wal-Mart is notorious for their attitude to any musician
> that is more offensive then, let's say, Phil Collins. If they don't like
> it, they refuse to store it, which means a loss of thousands of sales for a
> recordlabel. Those recordcompanys take notice too and start censoring their
> bands just to please Wal-Mart. A hilarious example is a Nirvana song called
> "rape me" on the "In Utero" album. Needless to say, Wal-Mart was not amused
> and refused to stock the album. Geffen, Nirvana's record company, responded
> immediately and changed the title of the song into "wave me". And this just
> one little example. There are also Wal-Mart versions of records were all the
> f*** words are electronically altered.
>
> I would love to have Wal-Mart versions of Zappa records, the alternative
> titles alone would make it worthwhile...
Actually, it was changed the "Waif Me". My town's only supply for CDs used to
be K-Mart. Fortunately, a hole-in-the-wall CD store opened here last December,
and the owner there is a big Zappa fan. What I always thought was funny is that
Walmart is very strict with CDs, but I always see a ton of AC/DC albums there.
Wasn't this a controversial band at one time?
Dave-o Thompson
mostly a womens issue
Dave-o cocks his head funny: So, what you're saying is that men
don't have a right to life? (Guess that's why ninjas kill people...)
Michael Pierry
platypus wrote:
>
>
> A lot of people who live in small towns are totally dependant on large
> chainstores and Wal-Mart is notorious for their attitude to any musician
> that is more offensive then, let's say, Phil Collins. If they don't like
> it, they refuse to store it, which means a loss of thousands of sales for a
> recordlabel. Those recordcompanys take notice too and start censoring their
> bands just to please Wal-Mart. A hilarious example is a Nirvana song called
> "rape me" on the "In Utero" album. Needless to say, Wal-Mart was not amused
> and refused to stock the album. Geffen, Nirvana's record company, responded
> immediately and changed the title of the song into "wave me". And this just
> one little example. There are also Wal-Mart versions of records were all the
> f*** words are electronically altered.
I see someone's been listening to "Beyond the Valley of the Gift
Police." It's "Waif Me" incidentally, the altered Nirvana title, that
is. There was also the infamous Sheryl Crow song, wherein she sings
about how Wal-Mart sells guns and how sick that is, and of course
Wal-Mart wasn't exactly happy about that.
I thought that what happened to Ice-T because Charlton Heston and some
other old IDIOTS who own Time-Warner stock didn't approve of "Cop
Killer" was far more tragic. Can you say, "scapegoat?" According to
Jello, at the board meeting Heston actually read out loud the entire
lyrics to "KKK Bitch." Now THAT is performance art. It's just sad that
a guy with as little intelligence and as huge an ego as Charlton Heston
gets to make decisions as to what artists should be dropped from Warner
Bros. Well, it's not so much that, it's more sad that the vast majority
of people simply don't care at all, and are quite happy to be spoon-fed
all their entertainment (the news also belongs under the category of
"entertainment," doesn't it?). My friends and I used to joke about how
one day we'd all wake up and find a bar code and a little "WB" branded
onto our bodies. Have to wonder how far off that day really is.
>
> I would love to have Wal-Mart versions of Zappa records, the alternative
> titles alone would make it worthwhile...
Fortunately (unfortunately?), I don't think such items exist. It's more
likely that Wal-Mart simply doesn't stock any Zappa (never been in a
Wal-Mart, so I don't know for sure).
Michael Pierry
Ingalls38 wrote:
>
> >> One question pops up: is it hard to buy Zappa albums at walmart?
>
> And yet another question pops up: why would you waste your time buying albums
> at Wal Mart? A great thing about the USA is our wide availability of terrific
> record stores. Wal-Mart isn't one of them.
>
What do you mean, wide availability of terrific record stores? And
where would THAT be?? I'd say there was rather a shortage of terrific
record stores where I live. I have to go several towns over just to
find a place that sells jazz and classical stuff.
Jeff Szarka
wrote:
:
:
That's why the internet is the ultimate freedom. For a few bucks more
you can almost any CD you want, plus sound clips to give it a test run
before you buy.
I'm surprised the government isn't more afraid of the internet, I'm
sure they got their finger on a switch somewhere. Our government would
never let us have anything that was TRULY free.
OnionPalac
a guy with as little intelligence and as huge an ego as Charlton Heston
gets to make decisions as to what artists should be dropped from Warner
Bros. Well, it's not so much that, it's more sad that the vast majority
of people simply don't care at all, and are quite happy to be spoon-fed
all their entertainment (the news also belongs under the category of
"entertainment," doesn't it?). My friends and I used to joke about how
one day we'd all wake up and find a bar code and a little "WB" branded
onto our bodies. Have to wonder how far off that day really is.>>
Anyone know any great books or websites that discuss this subject? Something
like "controled sociology" or "keeping freedom undefined," whatever some person
might call it.
Hoodoo
wrote:
>One question pops up: is it hard to buy Zappa albums at walmart?
Yes, Wal-mart, K-mart; any major corporate store that prefers to sell
to non-free-thinking indviduals.
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Hoodoo
>And yet another question pops up: why would you waste your time buying albums
>at Wal Mart? A great thing about the USA is our wide availability of terrific
>record stores. Wal-Mart isn't one of them.
I now live in a rural area of north-central Wisconsin. In the 'record'
stores and resale shops within a 75 mile radius I can't find anything
resembling, or similar to, music by Frank Zappa. There are various
Wal-Mart, K-Mart and Sam's Club's stores in this general area but they
obviously don't carry music of a less than mainstream variety. The
only option for me to buy what I want to hear are through alternative
suppliers. Even the small independent resale shops here don't have a
decent selection because there weren't an extraordinary amount of
units purchased in 'alternative' music in this area, and, even less
coming back onto the market in a used state.
jack
>
but I
>have certainly never seen a Zappa CD there. You should ask if they can
order
>Thing-Fish for you.
>
>-Dan
I really can't swear to this (as I do not purchase CD's from Walmart), but I
recall "Strictly Commercial" and "Strictly Genteel" on the shelf of our
local Walmart.
It might have been a dream - but I don't think so.
SOFA
Dan Watkins
> I remember a song of them that had the title Highway to Hell. That should
> have been enough to get banned for life.
AC/DC was very well-known for their "satanic" messages. The Back In Black
album also has a song called Hell's Bells. They also have a large number of
songs with balls jokes (Big Balls, Got You By The Balls, Balls Through The
Wall, Ballbreaker, and I'm sure there are more).
Michael Pierry
Dan Watkins wrote:
>
> platypus wrote:
>
> > I remember a song of them that had the title Highway to Hell. That should
> > have been enough to get banned for life.
>
> AC/DC was very well-known for their "satanic" messages. The Back In Black
> album also has a song called Hell's Bells. They also have a large number of
> songs with balls jokes (Big Balls, Got You By The Balls, Balls Through The
> Wall, Ballbreaker, and I'm sure there are more).
>
AC/DC is a big inside joke between a friend and me (and no, it's nothing
to do with what the initials supposedly mean). We both owned the same
live CD way back when, and there was this one day in history class when
we did nothing but talk the way that Brian Johnson sings, often quoting
the ridiculous song intros that dude fucking emits over the course of
the disc (sample quote: "You want some DIRTY DEEDS? You want 'em DONE
DIRT CHEAP? Yeah.")
platypus
Michael Pierry <still...@home.com> schreef in berichtnieuws
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> I see someone's been listening to "Beyond the Valley of the Gift
> Police.
I love that record. Got all of his spoken word albums, but this one is the
best. Biafra performed in The Hague last year, it was a little short (only
one and a half hour), but great.
> " It's "Waif Me" incidentally, the altered Nirvana title, that
> is. There was also the infamous Sheryl Crow song, wherein she sings
> about how Wal-Mart sells guns and how sick that is, and of course
> Wal-Mart wasn't exactly happy about that.
>
> I thought that what happened to Ice-T because Charlton Heston and some
> other old IDIOTS who own Time-Warner stock didn't approve of "Cop
> Killer" was far more tragic.
Maybe. I must admit that i took far more interest in the Frankenchrist trial
because Biafra and his music has been a part of my life in the last
seventeen years. I don't know much about the Cop Killer incident, but i
doubt if Ice-T got more shit poured over his head. Biafra's house was raided
by the police, he lost his wife, almost got bankrupt. Seems pretty tragic to
me. I have no doubt you can set me straight on this, so please do.
> Can you say, "scapegoat?" According to
> Jello, at the board meeting Heston actually read out loud the entire
> lyrics to "KKK Bitch." Now THAT is performance art. It's just sad that
> a guy with as little intelligence and as huge an ego as Charlton Heston
> gets to make decisions as to what artists should be dropped from Warner
> Bros. Well, it's not so much that, it's more sad that the vast majority
> of people simply don't care at all, and are quite happy to be spoon-fed
> all their entertainment (the news also belongs under the category of
> "entertainment," doesn't it?). My friends and I used to joke about how
> one day we'd all wake up and find a bar code and a little "WB" branded
> onto our bodies. Have to wonder how far off that day really is.
Very far, as long you can choose what to consume. You don't have to swallow
everything down that is presented by the tycoons who own the media and the
music industry. But i have to admit that i have it easy. The Netherlands may
be an overcrowded anthill, but as a result of that i have easy access to
anything, good or bad. If Wal-Mart would ever hit over here (and i believe
they are planning to do that) they could never be as harmfull as in the U.S.
On the other hand, almost everything that can be considered as popular
culture like music and movies, is almost 100% American. But people always
have been dumbed down (and welcomed it too) and there were always people who
looked for an alternative or made that alternative for themselves. A curious
mind is too slippery to manipulate.
platypus
Dan Watkins <dan_w...@hotmail.com> schreef in berichtnieuws
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> Actually, it was changed the "Waif Me". My town's only supply for CDs
used to
> be K-Mart. Fortunately, a hole-in-the-wall CD store opened here last
December,
> and the owner there is a big Zappa fan. What I always thought was funny
is that
> Walmart is very strict with CDs, but I always see a ton of AC/DC albums
there.
> Wasn't this a controversial band at one time?
I remember a song of them that had the title Highway to Hell. That should
Dave-o Thompson
It would do us all well to remember, that the main
reason the album "Frankenchrist" was targeted for
trial in the first place:
The prosecutors, looking to win an election, chose
this particular battle because they felt the Dead Kennedy's
label was too small and weak to sustain a protracted legal
battle. The case was not about whether Giger's painting
was an obscenity, but about a bully abusing its' power.
Kristian Kier
wrote:
>Very far, as long you can choose what to consume. You don't have to swallow
>everything down that is presented by the tycoons who own the media and the
>music industry. But i have to admit that i have it easy. The Netherlands may
>be an overcrowded anthill, but as a result of that i have easy access to
>anything, good or bad. If Wal-Mart would ever hit over here (and i believe
>they are planning to do that) they could never be as harmfull as in the U.S.
>On the other hand, almost everything that can be considered as popular
>culture like music and movies, is almost 100% American. But people always
>have been dumbed down (and welcomed it too) and there were always people who
>looked for an alternative or made that alternative for themselves. A curious
>mind is too slippery to manipulate.
Wal-Mart´s trying to conquer Germany right now.
-Kristian
Mike Smith
Jon Mooneyham wrote in message ...
>inga...@aol.com (Ingalls38) wrote:
>And (correct me if I'm wrong), aren't the Hastings (a/k/a Wastings) stores
>owned by Wal-Mart? They certainly carry lotsa records Wal-Mart won't...
No, Wal-Mart does not own Hastings.
Rolf Maurer
<da...@sprintmail.com> wrote:
>NINJA said: yes but didnt he donate his time to the right to life movementwhich is
>mostly a womens issue
>
>Dave-o cocks his head funny: So, what you're saying is that men
>don't have a right to life?
Only somebody else's life, it seems.
Rolf
ZappaLVR
writes:
>>NINJA said: yes but didnt he donate his time to the right to life
>>movementwhich is mostly a womens issue
>>
>>Dave-o cocks his head funny: So, what you're saying is that men
>>don't have a right to life?
>
>Only somebody else's life, it seems.
>
What I wanna know is, why has no one pointed out that NINJA got this bass
ackwards in the first place. Frank donated his time to pro-choice, not the
so-called "Right to Life" ("unless, of course, you perform the occasional
abortion, in which case you deserve Death") movement.
Zapp...@aol.com aka Chris Maxfield
http://members.aol.com/zappalvr/ZAPPA.html
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Michael Pierry
ZappaLVR wrote:
>
> In article <375c399f...@172.16.1.1>, rma...@pinc.com (Rolf Maurer)
> writes:
>
> >>NINJA said: yes but didnt he donate his time to the right to life
> >>movementwhich is mostly a womens issue
> >>
> >>Dave-o cocks his head funny: So, what you're saying is that men
> >>don't have a right to life?
> >
> >Only somebody else's life, it seems.
> >
>
> What I wanna know is, why has no one pointed out that NINJA got this bass
> ackwards in the first place. Frank donated his time to pro-choice, not the
> so-called "Right to Life" ("unless, of course, you perform the occasional
> abortion, in which case you deserve Death") movement.
>
Because Ninja himself pointed that out himself soon after making that
error.
ZappaLVR
writes:
because I said:
>> What I wanna know is, why has no one pointed out that NINJA got this bass
>> ackwards in the first place. Frank donated his time to pro-choice, not the
>> so-called "Right to Life" ("unless, of course, you perform the occasional
>> abortion, in which case you deserve Death") movement.
>>
>
>Because Ninja himself pointed that out himself soon after making that
>error.
Uh, er...OH! That must have been one of the posts that I either didn't get, or
I couldn't wade through Ninja's spelling and grammar to reach the actual point.
My apologies for missing it, though. Also, no insult to Ninja was truly
intended in either of these posts.