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Mike Espinoza

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Jun 24, 2008, 11:53:21 AM6/24/08
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Well, yesterday, without warning, Time Warner Cable informed its users
that it will no longer be providing newsgroup services effective
immediately. Yeah, yeah, I know, other outlets gave up on newsgroups
years ago, but I had taken TW's service for granted. Oh, well.

Since it is not worth my while to pay extra for ng service, I will
only be reading and posting using my Google Groups account for as long
as Google provides this service. Obviously, there are downsides to
this, but it is the only option that I have at the moment.

I would like to take this time to tell all that are still here that I
have really enjoyed the discussions that we've had on this group.
There was a time when it was really fun to come here everyday and
discuss all things Frank, as well as touch on other subjects. I am a
better person for having interacted with y'all. (I promised myself I
wouldn't cry.)

Since I am only the junior representative from Austin and it is
doubtful that the University of Texas will ever discontinue newsgroup
service, I feel safe in the assumption that John Henley will always be
here to represent so long as affz is a going concern.

I will continue to be here as long as I can, but if suddenly I'm gone,
I just wanted everyone to know that it's been a great ride.

Music is the best.
--
Mike E.

The old geezer

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Jun 24, 2008, 12:51:30 PM6/24/08
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I've been using google groups since AOL cut out their service a couple
of years ago.

It's a government conspiracy to control the internet & squash
communication amongst the masses!

TOG

The old geezer

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Jun 24, 2008, 12:53:03 PM6/24/08
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On Jun 24, 11:53 am, Mike Espinoza <espin...@yahoo.com> wrote:


P.S. Did you ever see Doug Sahm/Sir Douglas in concert???

TOG

Mike Espinoza

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Jun 24, 2008, 1:02:59 PM6/24/08
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On Jun 24, 11:53 am, The old geezer <J...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Jun 24, 11:53 am, Mike Espinoza <espin...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> P.S.  Did you ever see Doug Sahm/Sir Douglas in concert???

Nope. Never did. Heard him interviewed a few of times, though. One
of the talk stations in town had a host who'd have him on every once
in a while. He was an interesting guy.

Never saw Stevie Ray in concert, either. When his last concert was
announced, I was kind of strapped for cash. I said, "Oh, well. He'll
always play Austin. I'll catch him next time." Doh!
--
Mike E.

Mike Espinoza

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Jun 24, 2008, 1:10:42 PM6/24/08
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Between the music and the porn, I knew that sooner or later they'd be
targeting binary newsgroups. And I knew that sooner or later ISPs
would drop newsgroups for convenience sake. It just never dawned on
me that they'd solve the former by implementing the latter.

This is one of the reasons that I don't want to sign up for a
newsgroup service. At some point, Usenet users could be branded as
potential criminals. I can envision a world where someone will be put
on a sex offender list or be sued by record companies and/or movie
studios just because they subscribe to a newsgroup service.

Gotta go now. I hear the black helicopters coming this way.
--
Mike E.

Dave

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Jun 24, 2008, 2:03:01 PM6/24/08
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On Jun 24, 11:53 am, Mike Espinoza <espin...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Well, yesterday, without warning, Time Warner Cable informed its users
> that it will no longer be providing newsgroup services effective
> immediately.

You can use Google Groups to get in here like I do even though their
interface is a little odd.

My ISP (Verizon FiOS) isn't dropping Usenet altogether (yet) but they
announced
that they're dropping everything except the 'big 8' heirarchies, which
thereby
excludes affz.

This is all part of Little Cuomo's attempt to be able to claim that
he's fighting
kiddie pr0n. He managed to strongarm a bunch of the leading ISPs into
dropping
the alt groups. In exchange for kicking Cuomo's office a whole pile of
money and
dropping Usenet service, he agreed to leave them alone.
It smells like the PMRC all over again.
http://tinyurl.com/5xhf4b

ZapRats

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Jun 24, 2008, 2:17:42 PM6/24/08
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Mike Espinoza wrote:

> Since it is not worth my while to pay extra for ng service, I will
> only be reading and posting using my Google Groups account for as long
> as Google provides this service. Obviously, there are downsides to
> this, but it is the only option that I have at the moment.

Try this option:

http://news.motzarella.org/

news.motzarella.org provides free read and write access to all
newsgroups. It requires a registration that can be done online.


--
Extirpirate - a portmanteau of extirpate and pirate
http://www.extirpirate.com/

As of the day this message is being posted there are,
lacking an unexpected alternate outcome, 209 days
remaining in the imperial presidency of George W. Bush

Diogenes

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Jun 24, 2008, 5:01:22 PM6/24/08
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This is a decent free server:

nntp.aioe.org

Bill

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Jun 24, 2008, 6:34:40 PM6/24/08
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In article <48613A46...@newsguy.com>,
ZapRats <zapratRA...@newsguy.com> wrote:

> Mike Espinoza wrote:
>
> > Since it is not worth my while to pay extra for ng service, I will
> > only be reading and posting using my Google Groups account for as long
> > as Google provides this service. Obviously, there are downsides to
> > this, but it is the only option that I have at the moment.
>
> Try this option:
>
> http://news.motzarella.org/
>
> news.motzarella.org provides free read and write access to all
> newsgroups. It requires a registration that can be done online.

Grazie.

Testing, 1, 2, 3

Bill
AKA
Bill (Not Lantz)
AKA
billf@eradotcom
AKA
That guy with the imaginary album collection

Bill

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Jun 24, 2008, 7:08:20 PM6/24/08
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In article <billflynn-00020...@news.motzarella.org>,
Bill <bill...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> billf@eradotcom

duh. make that bill@eradotcom, billf@patriotdotnet,
spamblock@verizondotnet for those keeping a a.f.f-z score card.

Bill

Mike Espinoza

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Jun 24, 2008, 10:53:23 PM6/24/08
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On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:01:22 -0400, Diogenes <the...@home.net> wrote:
>
>This is a decent free server:
>
>nntp.aioe.org

Worked like a charm. Very cool. Thank you.

--
Mike E.

Strictly Commercial

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Jun 25, 2008, 1:46:13 AM6/25/08
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Mike Espinoza wrote:
>>nntp.aioe.org
>
> Worked like a charm. Very cool. Thank you.

Not for me --- nothing happened when I entered that url in my browser.
Some special trick to this?

R

Charles Ulrich

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Jun 25, 2008, 2:00:06 AM6/25/08
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In article <4861b2fd....@nntp.aioe.org>,
dlok...@yahoo.calm (Mike Espinoza) wrote:

So does that mean we will have Mike Espinoza to kick around any more?

--Charles

PAPA INCORPORATED

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Jun 25, 2008, 6:03:00 AM6/25/08
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On Jun 24, 3:34 pm, Bill <billfl...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> Bill (Not Lantz)

<smirk>

Mike Espinoza

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Jun 25, 2008, 10:04:34 AM6/25/08
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On Jun 25, 1:00 am, Charles Ulrich <ulr...@sfu.ca> wrote:
> In article <4861b2fd.278478...@nntp.aioe.org>,

>  dloka...@yahoo.calm (Mike Espinoza) wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:01:22 -0400, Diogenes <the...@home.net> wrote:
>
> > >This is a decent free server:
>
> > >nntp.aioe.org
>
> > Worked like a charm.  Very cool.  Thank you.
>
> So does that mean we will have Mike Espinoza to kick around any more?

Like Nixon in '68. I just won't die.
--
Mike E.

Mike Espinoza

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Jun 25, 2008, 10:07:17 AM6/25/08
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It is not a url. It is a news server setting. You put that into the
settings of your newsreader.

The url is http://news.aioe.org
--
Mike E.

Strictly Commercial

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Jun 25, 2008, 12:43:44 PM6/25/08
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Mike Espinoza wrote:
> It is not a url. It is a news server setting. You put that into the
> settings of your newsreader.
>
> The url is http://news.aioe.org

Thanks for the elucidation. Seems to work for me too.

R

Dave

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Jun 25, 2008, 5:49:44 PM6/25/08
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"Diogenes" <the...@home.net> wrote in message news:g3rnat$g2s$1...@aioe.org...

[snippedy-doo-dah]

> This is a decent free server:
>
> nntp.aioe.org

Testing to see just exactly now "decent" it is... ;^)

Anyway...
I just got OSD & Wazoo in the mail the other day.
I wonder why FZ never saw fit to issue anything from the Grand Wazoo tour?
If the ZFT issued every show on the tour, I'd buy them all.


--Dave


Moahh

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Jun 25, 2008, 10:10:12 PM6/25/08
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Thank you!!!
Goodbye googlegroups.com!


--
Heitor Mendes Pannuti

PAPA INCORPORATED

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Jun 26, 2008, 7:46:21 AM6/26/08
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read it on google groups. post even. i'm sure you'll miss your
binaries, but there is always bit torrent.

The old geezer

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Jun 26, 2008, 8:56:58 AM6/26/08
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On Jun 25, 10:10 pm, Moahh <z...@moahh.com> wrote:
> Mike Espinoza wrote:
> Goodbye googlegroups.com!


What's the problem with Google groups????

TOG

PAPA INCORPORATED

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Jun 26, 2008, 5:51:09 PM6/26/08
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it is not elite enough

Martin Gregorie

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Jun 26, 2008, 6:45:42 PM6/26/08
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On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 05:56:58 -0700, The old geezer wrote:

>
> What's the problem with Google groups????
>

Personal taste of course, but compared with reading USENET on a decent
newsreader I find using Google Groups is like taking a shower using a
sponge and bucket.


--
martin@ | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. |
org | Zappa fan & glider pilot


The old geezer

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Jun 26, 2008, 7:41:07 PM6/26/08
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On Jun 26, 5:45�pm, Martin Gregorie

<martin@see_sig_for_address.invalid> wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 05:56:58 -0700, The old geezer wrote:
>
> > What's the problem with Google groups????
>
> Personal taste of course, but compared with reading USENET on a decent
> newsreader I find using Google Groups is like taking a shower using a
> sponge and bucket.
>

You *MAY* have a point...............

TOG

Mower B. Yard

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Jun 26, 2008, 8:46:26 PM6/26/08
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For me as well. Thanks a lot Diogenes.

Poldie

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Jul 1, 2008, 8:05:05 PM7/1/08
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ZapRats wrote:
> newsgroups. It requires a registration that can be done online.

Which is much more convenient than all that filling in of paper forms
which the other free newsgroup feeds require of you...

Seriously, Thunderbird and motzarella is a great combination.

Poldie

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Jul 1, 2008, 8:07:27 PM7/1/08
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Great for the archived posts - not so great for killfiling idiots,
displaying articles correctly, speed, displaying properly in Firefox
(displays only the first 10% of the page about 10% of the time), many
Usenet regulars killfile anything coming from google as it's a great new
place for spam to hang out with Google unable or unwilling to do
anything about it.

INEMM

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Jul 2, 2008, 6:11:19 PM7/2/08
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On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 08:53:21 -0700 (PDT), Mike Espinoza
<espi...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Well, yesterday, without warning, Time Warner Cable informed its users
>that it will no longer be providing newsgroup services effective
>immediately. Yeah, yeah, I know, other outlets gave up on newsgroups
>years ago, but I had taken TW's service for granted. Oh, well.

You get nothing for nothing.

Sign up for an account at newsbin, and other other ones.

Diogenes

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Jul 2, 2008, 6:39:29 PM7/2/08
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works for me: nntp.aioe.org

I am the slime

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Jul 3, 2008, 7:55:33 AM7/3/08
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On Jun 24, 12:02 pm, Mike Espinoza <espin...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jun 24, 11:53 am, The old geezer <J...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jun 24, 11:53 am, Mike Espinoza <espin...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > P.S. Did you ever see Doug Sahm/Sir Douglas in concert???
>
> Nope. Never did. Heard him interviewed a few of times, though. One
> of the talk stations in town had a host who'd have him on every once
> in a while. He was an interesting guy.
>
> Never saw Stevie Ray in concert, either. When his last concert was
> announced, I was kind of strapped for cash. I said, "Oh, well. He'll
> always play Austin. I'll catch him next time." Doh!
> --
> Mike E.

I played in a couple of groups with Augie Meyers son for a few years
during the late 70s and early 80s- we got to open for the quintet
during their last gasp before they formed the Texas Tornadoes. Got to
hang out with Doug back in the day but mostly with the kids. Hell, I
was just one of the kids, although I was the oldest by a couple of
months... That was a great time for me- I met Freddy Fender and Flaco
Jimenez, Marcia Ball, Alvin Crow and Stevie Ray Vaughn (he taught me
how to tie an electrician's knot and thought it was a blast that there
were TWO Stevie Rays in the room!), and I got to play in front of the
biggest crowds I ever have so far. It was groove. Just saw Speedy
Sparks play at a place just last Wednesday.
Google groups is alright, it works.
Best to all,
Stevo

Yello Sharc

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Jul 25, 2008, 7:30:40 PM7/25/08
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Yes, it has been a nice ride. I mostly lurk and not even that
consistently, but I do have fond memories of Mike E.

There are free NG providers you can use, the down side is they come
and go, but they always seemed to be available. I used them for a
while, but now my company pays for my internet which includes usenet.

Thank you.


On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 08:53:21 -0700 (PDT), Mike Espinoza
<espi...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Well, yesterday, without warning, Time Warner Cable informed its users
>that it will no longer be providing newsgroup services effective
>immediately. Yeah, yeah, I know, other outlets gave up on newsgroups
>years ago, but I had taken TW's service for granted. Oh, well.
>

ZapRat

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Jul 26, 2008, 1:13:08 AM7/26/08
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CMELAK = DOPEY ASSHOLE
CMELAK = RETARD
CMELAK = OWNED
CMELAK = SPAMMER
CMELAK = TROLL
CMELAK = WIFE BEATER
CMELAK = PERVERT
CMELAK = FOOL
CMELAK = SHITHEAD
CMELAK = CRYBABY
CMELAK = OWNED 100%
CMELAK = BAD TEETH
CMELAK = PARASITE
CMELAK = BUM

The Bill Cmelak of Antigo, Wisconsin "tribute" website:

http://www.buccaneerpublishing.com/Cmelak.htm

Amateur radio license KB9TIX. HAMs, just be aware that when you talk
to this person, that you are talking to the town fool and that Cmelak
is an evil piece of crap.

Cmelak barely got out of high school at Milwaukee's Juneau High
School.

His relatives:
LORI S CMELAK (400lb. ex-wife who claims that fat Billy is impotent)
GRACE M CMELAK
JOSEPH A CMELAK


My name is William Bill Cmelak. I am a fat and stupid shithead. I
clean septic tanks for a living. I am emotionally disturbed and
never could hold down a regular job - that's why I have so much time
on my hands to watch television, read the news, and repost shit to
newsgroups that you could just as easily read at Yahoo News.

I also spam newsgroups using the following sockpuppets:

Hoodude
Hoodoo
Hoodini
Shrike!
25th Century Quaker
SSS333
Bug Bomb Pest Removal
Zaprat
Jose Gaspar

I have been stalking another guy for almost four years because I am
jealous of him and because he hurt my widdle feelings and I just
cannot get over the pain.

I live in an old singlewide mobile home here:

William Cmelak
N9340 Pickerel Creek Rd
Pearson, WI 54462-8140

(According to the Langlade County Proeprty Assessor's office Cmelak's
"massive" estate that he brags about is 7 acres of scrub land valued
at a grand total of $33,500 [$14.3K for the property and $19.2K for
the improvements] and a fair market value of a whooping $37,000!!!.
The stupid bastard has been working his ass off for years and bragging
about a mobile home lot that isn't worth as much as most people's
cars! That, and he's behind on paying his property tax. **TRAILER
TRASH!!!** Wonder if Cmelak can even afford running water?)


I drive a 25 year old ex-military truck because that's all that I can
afford.

It's an old diesel truck and I drive that because I know that I can
steal heating oil to burn in the truck when I cannot afford diesel.
Which is most of the time.

My teeth are black and worn to the gum. I cannot afford to see a
dentist.

I used to brag about being retired until someone found out that I was
a handyman. Like I said, I pump septic tanks for a living, when I can
get work.

If my momma hadn't died and left this mobile home for me I would be
homeless.

My family says that I sponge off of them. They called me a bum and a
parasite.

My brother and Daddy drank too much and it killed them. I used to be
an alcoholic, but I had to quit. Now I go around preaching to everyone
else about them being drunks when they drink two beers.

Wonder why I don't have any friends?

I flunked out of trade school. I went to a slow-learner's high
school. Everyone used to pick on me in high school.

I spend most of my spare time at my computer using an old dial up
connection. The rest of the time I watch television 24/7.

My biggest achievement in life was being mentioning in my tiny little
hometown newspaper for spotting something odd in the crossword. It
wasn't a mistake or anything, but it just made me laugh.
Bahahahahhahahahahhahaha!!! I wrote to the newspaper and they
mentioned my name. My relatives all said that was because the
newspaper thought that I was an oddball, but I don't see things that
way.

I am really good at trivia, even if none of the trivia that I know is
important stuff. No one gets my jokes, and no one would ever hire me
to supervise anyone else, not even at the convenience store where I
used to work. But it doesn't matter - I are smarter than them.

No one will give me the respect that I know that I deserve.

Four years ago I was approached by an old woman named Karen Anderson
who talked me into helping her stalk and troll this guy. She had had a
crush on him and he kicked her to the curb. She drove to his town and
followed him around for two days without him knowing it. She is also
jealous of him. Anderson has stalked several other men before.

She lives at:

Karen Anderson
3590 Narrows View Lane NE #102
Bremerton, WA 98310

Anderson and I are both addicted to stalking. We know that what we do
is wrong, and we see this other guy kick our asses all the time, but
we just don't have the willpower to stop stalking him.

I am so jealous, jealous, JEALOUS of that guy that it makes me want to
BURST. I spend all of my time researching what he does, where he
lives. Hell, I even follow his eBay account.

This dude that I hate is popular in his town and community and I HATE
that. So I make up crap about him and his girlfriend and post it to
newsgroups and generally make a nusiance out of myself. Most of what
I make up is a complete figment of my imagination but if I repeat my
lies often enough maybe someone stupid will believe them.

This guy just drives me CRAZY. He's president of a motorcycle club,
he's involved with several charities. Everyone that meets him seems
to like him. I am so damned jealous that I cannot stand it.

Did I mention that I am insanely jealous?

He lives in a warm climate, and I am stuck here in the sticks of
Wisconsin, barely able to afford to keep warm.

He travels all the time and I haven't been out of Wisconsin in years.

He is active, and my health issues keep me from leaving the house.

He motorcycles all over the country and into Mexico and I cannot ride
any more. I hate that. And I hate those damned Mexicans, even though
that doesn't make me a racist because I said so.

I tell people that I am a big, tough Harley dude but the truth is that
I only owned a Sportster - sort of an entry-level Harley - for 6
months before it got repo'd.

I had a good job once. Back in 1998. Then I fucked up, got fired,
and my wife left me. Now I cannot hold down a regular job.

This guy makes more money than I do and that can't be right. I just
know there's something wrong there.

He has a girlfriend that loves him and takes care of him and I haven't
had a date with a woman for over 10 years. And when he was single he
got laid all of the time. Now that's not right either.

My 400 lb. wife - Lori Cmelak - left me. And I miss the little
heffer, even if I did have to smack her a time or two to keep her in
line. But she won't talk to me any more, and I hate that.

What can I possibly do? I am so unhappy. I'd blow my brains out but I
cannot afford the bullets.

Signed, Bill Cmelak of Antigo, Wisconsin

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