Rolling Stone review of Waka/Jawaka

tjf...@gmail.com

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Sep 29, 2007, 8:45:51 PM9/29/07

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I found this unusual assesment of Frank Zappa in the Rolling Stone
review of Waka/Jawaka "...Originality has never been Zappa's strong
point."

I've heard Zappa's music described as many different things, but
'unoriginal' is a new one to me.

The old geezer

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Sep 29, 2007, 9:03:04 PM9/29/07

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RS Magazine has ALWAYS Sucked the BIG ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TOG

Zut boF

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Sep 30, 2007, 12:48:01 PM9/30/07

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Rolling Stone Magazine know nothing about original art, they just tell
good things about the people who sell alot, to please the most part of
the little sheeps.

Dirk Van de moortel

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Sep 30, 2007, 3:04:29 PM9/30/07

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<tjf...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1191113151.0...@n39g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

>I found this unusual assesment of Frank Zappa in the Rolling Stone
> review of Waka/Jawaka "...Originality has never been Zappa's strong
> point."

HAHAHAHAHA!

>
> I've heard Zappa's music described as many different things, but
> 'unoriginal' is a new one to me.

Hilarious indeed.
A keeper for
http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Frank_Zappa#Early_life_and_influences

Dirk Vdm

Dirk Van de moortel

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Sep 30, 2007, 3:10:13 PM9/30/07

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"Dirk Van de moortel" <dirkvand...@ThankS-NO-SperM.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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*and* for
http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Rolling_Stone_magazine#Crusading_against_Art

Dirk Vdm

pbuzb...@yahoo.com

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Sep 30, 2007, 4:12:50 PM9/30/07

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Ben Watson was right to criticize Christgau's idea that Waka/Jawaka
was a Miles ripoff. FZ was doing "King Kong" and other jazz-rock
hybrids onstage before Miles started experimenting with rock and funk.

Pat Buzby
Chicago, IL

John Henley

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Oct 1, 2007, 9:32:18 AM10/1/07

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In article <1191113151.0...@n39g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
<tjf...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I've heard Zappa's music described as many different things, but
> 'unoriginal' is a new one to me.

In early '68, FZ's 'serious' work to date was assessed as
"Frankensteinian."

In 1975, One Size Fits All was said to be "completely
uninspired."

John Henley

ttuerff

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Oct 1, 2007, 5:13:24 PM10/1/07

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I got one even better: The RS review of "Zoot Allures," (which the
reviewer hated, natch) said that the lyrics really detracted from the
quality of the album, particularly in the title cut.

RS also called "Bongo Fury" the second-worst album of 1975 (Lou Reed's
"Metal Machine Music" taking the honors there).

As I recall, "Crawdaddy" didn't like "Zoot Allures," either.

TT

On Oct 1, 6:32 am, John Henley <jhen...@mail.utexas.edu> wrote:
> In article <1191113151.025815.298...@n39g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,

Yesterdays Wafflez

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Oct 1, 2007, 5:39:02 PM10/1/07

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DownBeat liked Frank. (or any REAL musician mag).

Y.W. (who's reading the cover issue of the American Airlines Mag w/FZ)

Y.W. (who stoled them from EVERY seat pocket while exiting on that
flight!)

Y.W. (who told the attendant I was brining in the new AA issues for the
month)

The old geezer

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Oct 1, 2007, 7:49:02 PM10/1/07

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> > John Henley-

It's ALWAYS easier to "tear down" than to "build up".

TOG

pbuzb...@yahoo.com

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Oct 1, 2007, 9:21:50 PM10/1/07

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On Oct 1, 4:13 pm, ttuerff <ttue...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I got one even better: The RS review of "Zoot Allures," (which the
> reviewer hated, natch) said that the lyrics really detracted from the
> quality of the album, particularly in the title cut.

This reminds me of a review from the 80's of three of the early Ryko
Zappa CDs by a writer named Jeffrey Morgan (who more recently enjoyed
Barry Miles's unflattering portrayal of FZ). Morgan panned two of
them, but liked SUNPYG, mentioning that having strong musicians such
as Eddie Jobson on board helped. Never mind that Jobson plays nothing
(or at least very little) on the track where he was present.

Pat Buzby
Chicago, IL

John Henley

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Oct 2, 2007, 8:57:07 AM10/2/07

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In article <1191273204.0...@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
ttuerff <ttu...@gmail.com> wrote:

> RS also called "Bongo Fury" the second-worst album of 1975 (Lou Reed's
> "Metal Machine Music" taking the honors there).

Yes, that was written by one Gordon Fletcher, who at
some point also declared Blue Oyster Cult to be the
best rock and roll band since The Beatles - better, even.

Ecchh.

John H.

Dave Wilcher

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Oct 2, 2007, 10:07:09 AM10/2/07

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Lester Bangs wannabe?

dave
--
A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his
government. - Edward Abbey

tcm...@gmail.com

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Oct 2, 2007, 3:02:41 PM10/2/07

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> > John Henley- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I love Frank, but those two albums (Zoot and Bongo) are near the
bottom of my list as well. Not that there isn't great material on
both, but neither hold together for me as well as most of the others.

Chris

John Henley

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Oct 2, 2007, 4:37:07 PM10/2/07

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In article <1191351761.2...@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
<"tcm...@gmail.com"> wrote:
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> I love Frank.....

You could have stopped there.

JH

tcm...@gmail.com

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Oct 3, 2007, 5:36:55 PM10/3/07

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On Oct 2, 1:37 pm, John Henley <jhen...@mail.utexas.edu> wrote:
> In article <1191351761.274370.233...@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,

>
> <"tcm...@gmail.com"> wrote:
>
> > I love Frank.....
>
> You could have stopped there.
>
> JH

But why should I have done so? Just because I love the man (or his
memory) and his music doesn't mean I can't have critical opinions.
Does it? What's your point?

Chris

John Henley

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Oct 4, 2007, 9:09:21 AM10/4/07

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In article <1191447415.4...@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
<"tcm...@gmail.com"> wrote:

>What's your point?

The top of my head.

JH

Yesterdays Wafflez

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Oct 4, 2007, 6:48:55 PM10/4/07

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I love Frank...

http://community.webtv.net/YesterdaysWafflez/FrankZappa

Y.W.