There's a new interview with Ike thats quite good.
It can be found here:
http://jambands.com/mar00/features/willis.html
-Marcus
Since we've been talking about Thunes and the '88 band lately, I suppose
this snippet of Ike's interview bears quoting...
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AJ - Why did Zappa say the 1988 band "self-destructed?"
Ike - It wasn't the band it was Scott Thunes. He made himself so obnoxious
that nobody wanted to be around him. He is wildly talented and intelligent.
But he just got spoiled rotten and nobody wanted to play with him because of
the way he acted. That was the finest band that I was involved in with
Frank. It was the band we had been dreaming of. I lobbied to get the Fowler
brothers back in the band. It was an incredible band and we had the right
combination of people.
AJ - Since that band was so great, but the problems were only with Scott
Thunes why didn't Frank fire him and continue with another bass player?
Ike - It was the timing of the thing. If it had been a different day and
Frank was in a different mood I'm sure that would have happened. It just
occurred when Frank was in a bad mood and woke up on the wrong side of the
cave. He was just starting to get sick and he just said fuck it.
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One more opinion on the pile I guess. Not a very well-edited interview, by
the way; one question and its answer are repeated later in the interview, at
one point the interviewer refers to something Ike supposedly just said but
it doesn't appear in the text, and spelling errors abound. Doesn't anyone
proof read anymore?
ron
> One more opinion on the pile I guess. Not a very well-edited interview, by
> the way; one question and its answer are repeated later in the interview,
> at
That wasn't AJ Wilkes interviewing Ike, was it?
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> http://jambands.com/mar00/features/willis.html
Thanks! Interesting to know that Ike's brother, Michael Willis, is "one
of the top black architects in the country". Apparently, he's been
working on designs for alternative housing in the San Fransisco Bay
Area. See more here:
<http://www.aiasf.org/chapter/99sp-althous.html>
Johan
Incidentally, this site also includes my reviews of new archival CDs
by the Grateful Dead and Spirit. I was pleasantly surprised to see the
Ike interview sharing the space.
I didn't notice the editing errors before. I'll have to pass a note
on to the editors to get it together.
Pat Buzby
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Before you buy.
On the un-proofread topic: My CD of Soft Machine's "Jet-Propelled Photographs"
(early demos from '67 - but NOT the ones with Jimi Hendrix on guitar), has too
many typos to count. Hugh Hopper is mentioned in the liner notes a lot, but in
the credits to the songs he wrote, he is listed as "H. Hooper." Another
glaring error - on the back of the disc, the musicians are listed as "Robert
Wyatt: Drums Vocals, Daevid Allen: Guitar, Mike Rateledge: Organ, Kevin Ayers:
Vocals." Ayers was the bass player also, and only sang on two songs.. and even
then he only took the lead during half of one.
- - - - - - -
Jody B. (aka Jack P. Armstrong)
"I am a real Minimalist, because I don't do very much. I know some minimalists
who call themselves minimalist but they do loads of minimalism. That is
cheating. I really don't do very much." - Robert Wyatt
but appearently frank had no problem with ike's crack use
i dont believe a word of this drivel
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Nowhere has anyone ever said that Frank didn't have a problem with Ike's crack
use. (Although we only speculate that Ike smokes crack - we KNOW he snorted
cocaine in the 80s.) It was Napoleon he fired for freebasing - if he had known
Ike did it, he would have surely fired Ike too (and Scott, for that matter,
since Scott said he did it (cocaine)).
- - - - - - -
Jody B. (aka Jack P. Armstrong)
"The program for this evening is: we do a bit, and then we stop for a bit, and
then we do a bit more." - Robert Wyatt
> Nowhere has anyone ever said that Frank didn't have
> a problem with Ike's crack use. (Although we only
> speculate that Ike smokes crack - we KNOW he
> snorted cocaine in the 80s.) It was Napoleon he fired
> for freebasing - if he had known Ike did it, he would
> have surely fired Ike too (and Scott, for that matter,
> since Scott said he did it (cocaine)).
Ah, to be young and innocent again ;)
--- Bossk (R) <wik...@mbox301.swipnet.se>
"We were not a jam band."
- Ike Willis, jambands.com, March 2000
then one would think ike and scott got along
but im starting to see a differant scenerio
lets say one band member gets caught using crack
he then says to frank hey these here other guys in the band
are using it too and rats them out !
also interesting to note is that the tour really fell apart
during the italian leg and we all know that italy is loaded
with crack and especially heroine
i would say that it was drugs that killed the 88 tour
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Ike's use of substances was not exactly a
secret, even in 88. I remember people
wondering why FZ used Ike for the 88 tour,
as his voice was already going down. But
Ike became an important bandmember in
the 80ies, and I think FZ needed him to be
able to do both the new and the old material.
Which I think he did quite well.
Also -but I could have this wrong- I thought
that FZ had a problem with people using drugs
ON the job?
Tal
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this is true
but we must remember to frank coffee and cigs
wernt drugs but we all know they are
They did, according to Scott, (at least until the '88 tour). Scott's exact
quote was something along the lines of "When you snort as much coke as I did
with Ike Willis during the 80s..." etc. etc.
>with crack and especially heroine
Hero, yes, heroine, not so much. I mean, you got your Aeneas, who founded
Rome, and you got your sons of Aeneas, but after that, there's really nobody
left. What heroines are there? There's some goddesses, but those aren't
really heroines.
- - - - - - -
Jody B. (aka Jack P. Armstrong)
"The program for this evening is: we do a bit, and then we stop for a bit, and
> Jack P. Armstrong wrote:
>
> > Nowhere has anyone ever said that Frank didn't have
> > a problem with Ike's crack use. (Although we only
> > speculate that Ike smokes crack - we KNOW he
> > snorted cocaine in the 80s.) It was Napoleon he fired
> > for freebasing - if he had known Ike did it, he would
> > have surely fired Ike too (and Scott, for that matter,
> > since Scott said he did it (cocaine)).
>
> Ah, to be young and innocent again ;)
>
> --- Bossk (R) <wik...@mbox301.swipnet.se>
>
> "We were not a jam band."
> - Ike Willis, jambands.com, March 2000
I'm a little confused. How upset should I be that this jack character is
impugning all his crap about me, blow, and my abilities as a member in
good standing (even after all this time) of the Frank Zappa Band? Should I
defend myself? I've written a whopper of a post to respond to his line of
thought, and I'm just realizing that I may be wrong about the whole thrust
of his arguments re: me.
What about it guys? Is Jack ready for the treatment, or am I reading too
much into his intimations of my lameness as concerns the use of a
particular 80's themed drug?
He's ready.
Joe
Oy! I don't meant to offend you! But (unless I'm VERY wrong) you did say that
you snorted cocaine while a member of Zappa's group. This is all I was saying.
>
>What about it guys? Is Jack ready for the treatment, or am I reading too
>much into his intimations of my lameness as concerns the use of a
>particular 80's themed drug?
And I'm not trying to say you're lame either! Really, I wasn't trying to insult
or demean you in any way. I was just trying to give my thoughts on the whole
drug-use-in-Zappa's-band thing...
> Should I
> defend myself?
You have no need to.
I think, as usual, that the music speaks for itself...
Maybe Scott couldn't wait to get out of there and play his Bulgarian Punk
Organum Chorale music, but along the way, seems to me, Frank managed to edit
out all the horrible things he must have done...
I don't recall hearing about anything as drastic as -- oh -- say -- Ed's
Alphonzo Crime...
I sure would like to see the original sketches for the 200 Motels music.
np: 200 Motels
ls
> >
> >I'm a little confused. How upset should I be that this jack character is
> >impugning all his crap about me, blow, and my abilities as a member in
> >good standing (even after all this time) of the Frank Zappa Band? Should I
> >defend myself? I've written a whopper of a post to respond to his line of
> >thought, and I'm just realizing that I may be wrong about the whole thrust
> >of his arguments re: me.
>
> Oy! I don't meant to offend you! But (unless I'm VERY wrong) you did
say that
> you snorted cocaine while a member of Zappa's group. This is all I was
saying.
>
> >
> >What about it guys? Is Jack ready for the treatment, or am I reading too
> >much into his intimations of my lameness as concerns the use of a
> >particular 80's themed drug?
>
> And I'm not trying to say you're lame either! Really, I wasn't trying to
insult
> or demean you in any way. I was just trying to give my thoughts on the whole
> drug-use-in-Zappa's-band thing...
Wow. Guess I wasted an hour of my life writing another in a long line of
relationship-killers that will never get sent.
Thanks for your input, Jack. I will attempt to forget that you thought I
should have been fired for my drug use, my intolerable'ness, and my wrong
notes.
Other than that, I will certainly take my friend's advice and concentrate
on the present.
I did say that I snorted cocaine during my tenure with Frank, but if you
read the entire post, you may catch a whiff of whimsy in my response to
the person who asked me about a particular evening 16 years ago (1984) and
my memory of it.The post more recently have been very hurtful, and felt
that they demanded a response. My earlier response was based on this group
of statements, which to me amounted to virtual libel. I am glad that my
daughter will read these posts in her History of the Internet Class and
not think that I was drooling at Ike's hotel-room door waiting for him to
finish whatever it was he was doing so I could get my fix on and rush
onstage to ruin another one of Franks Perfect Compositions.
I'm leaving for home now, so all you take care, y'hear?
ST
PS: Anybody know anything about this Finnish guy who's writing the book?
GeoScott wrote:
>
> Should I
> defend myself?
Naaaaa..... Do yourself a favor and focus your energy on your great new
life and family. I'm pretty sure it's been scientifically proven
(although off hand, I can't pin point the exact study) one can be driven
to the brink of madness in here.
Damn, you remember everything I say! Although that is stretching it a bit - i
*DO* think that it would have been better for all involved had you been let go
in '88 instead of the entire band disintegrating (although you weren't the
entire problem, of course.) But of course, my opinion doesn't matter.
>In article <qydB4.8123$_Z2.1...@nntpserver.swip.net>, "Bossk (R)"
><wik...@mbox301.swipnet.se> wrote:
>
>> Jack P. Armstrong wrote:
>>
>> > Nowhere has anyone ever said that Frank didn't have
>> > a problem with Ike's crack use. (Although we only
>> > speculate that Ike smokes crack - we KNOW he
>> > snorted cocaine in the 80s.) It was Napoleon he fired
>> > for freebasing - if he had known Ike did it, he would
>> > have surely fired Ike too (and Scott, for that matter,
>> > since Scott said he did it (cocaine)).
>>
>> Ah, to be young and innocent again ;)
>>
>> --- Bossk (R) <wik...@mbox301.swipnet.se>
>>
>> "We were not a jam band."
>> - Ike Willis, jambands.com, March 2000
>
>I'm a little confused. How upset should I be that this jack character is
>impugning all his crap about me, blow, and my abilities as a member in
>good standing (even after all this time) of the Frank Zappa Band? Should I
>defend myself? I've written a whopper of a post to respond to his line of
>thought, and I'm just realizing that I may be wrong about the whole thrust
>of his arguments re: me.
>
>What about it guys? Is Jack ready for the treatment, or am I reading too
>much into his intimations of my lameness as concerns the use of a
>particular 80's themed drug?
Reason will do no good in this case. I wouldn't even know what "Jack"
posted except that people quote his swill. He is kill filed on this
box. He reminds me of the little guy who says "..but I have the
crystal ball". Wilhelm Reich wrote a short book about guys like that
entitled "Listen Little Man".
Hi, Joe!
Why?>
Purely entertainment. I'm just egging you on; I enjoy your writing style almost
as much as your bass playing.
What book? I guess I was the guy who asked you about your memories of -84
(Does Humor Belong In Music-video, and I am from Finland), but I'm not
writing any books...or is there some other finn here asking about the same
stuff?
-Mikal Sillman
Well "Jack", never mess with a Thunes.
> ...Although that is
> stretching it a bit - i *DO* think that it would have been
> better for all involved had you been let go in '88 instead
> of the entire band disintegrating (although you weren't the
> entire problem, of course.) But of course, my opinion
> doesn't matter.
What do you know about FZ's reasons
to disband that particular group that we
don't know?
AA
e-mail: anta...@planet.nl
almost fucking fell for it, too! Glad I waited to see what the other folks
had to say. You WOULD have enjoyed to, though. I may do something with it
someday, but it was definitely too harsh by a thousand-fold.
Juha Romppananen is the man's name. Ring any bells?
ST
It sure does. Rompa means Butt in Norwegian. And if he was named Jukka
Rompananen, I would cried of laughter. Jukka is a very common finnish
name. So that would mean something like wanking a banana up your ass. I
find most finnish names to be extremely funny. Does humor belong in
finnish? There are a few exceptions. Mikal Sillman up here for instance,
doesn't sounds silly in Norwegian at all, but maybe in english?
I was not out to offend anyone or anything. I like finland.
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> >Thanks for your input, Jack. I will attempt to forget that you thought I
> >should have been fired for my drug use, my intolerable'ness, and my wrong
> >notes.
>
> Damn, you remember everything I say! Although that is stretching it a bit - i
> *DO* think that it would have been better for all involved had you been let go
> in '88 instead of the entire band disintegrating (although you weren't the
> entire problem, of course.) But of course, my opinion doesn't matter.
>
>
> - - - - - - -
> Jody B. (aka Jack P. Armstrong)
> "The program for this evening is: we do a bit, and then we stop for a bit, and
> then we do a bit more." - Robert Wyatt
Well, I got several responses to let it go, so I have. I got one response
to let you have it, which was an egging-on, so I let that one go. And I
got one response that says you're in this one guys kill-file. So, the
overwhelming desire on my part to delve into this to my own satisfaction
has been quashed by my own logic, my wife's level-headedness, and a
mandate from this group that I cease all continued banter on this subject.
I'm still wary that an understanding of my life, my situation with FZ, and
the year 1988, will forever be thought of in terms that disregard my past
and continued input.
For the last time, it was not my fault that the band broke up (not that I
care one way or the other). It would have been impossible (READ:
IMPOSSIBLE) to just 'let me go'. Frank admitted that, you have most likely
read it somewhere, and it's the truth. If you're thinking that I shouldn't
have been HIRED in the first place, well, I can't support you in that.
Please try to understand that your opinions are valid, nobody's trying to
take your knowledge away from you, but the all the facts are beyond your
grasp. So many people did so many things wrong, and I'm sorry you didn't
get to see us play (is that your issue? cause if it is, it's pretty
scrawny of an issue.).
I was friends with Frank after the band broke up. How does that fit in
with your theory?
ST
That's FAAAAAR from what I think. Let me reiterate since you think I have
something PERSONALLY against you: a lot of things went on, and you were caught
in the middle of it. To ME it seemed that since this was the case, it would
have been easier and better for you to have been let go. Of course, Frank
didn't think this way, so apparently it WOULDNT have been easier and better. I
(and I doubt anyone else) puts all the blame on you, since you had been with
Zappa for years and years at this point.
Is that the guy that Karin was talking
about?
AA
e-mail: anta...@planet.nl
Just globally replace "Jack" with "Miguel" and post it - it'll still be
cathartic for you, and we'll enjoy the hell out of it!
--
"The music becomes more and more abstract sounding
like a syncopated barnyard button factory."
- David Lynch, "Ronnie Rocket"
> >Just globally replace "Jack" with "Miguel" and post it - it'll still be
> >cathartic for you, and we'll enjoy the hell out of it!
>
> Hey hey, you may not like me, but that's NO reason to equate me with Miguel!
If I equated you with Miguel, I'd have just asked him to post it ;).
GeoScott wrote:
> has been quashed by my own logic, my wife's level-headedness, and a
> mandate from this group that I cease all continued banter on this subject.
Well, I can appreciate the first two points of this statement but, I
just read a thread where some guy with a personal grudge wants to
assassinate a comic strip character. The banter part may fit in well.
> I was friends with Frank after the band broke up. How does that fit in
> with your theory?
If you were asking me, and I know that your not but, if you were, I say
perfectly. You were put in a position of responsibility (on more then
one level) and lived up to it. I don't think anyone holds that against
you and of course, FZ never did.
Robb (Going back to minding my own business)
Hey hey, you may not like me, but that's NO reason to equate me with Miguel!
Robert Burz wrote:
>
> GeoScott wrote:
>
> > has been quashed by my own logic, my wife's level-headedness, and a
> > mandate from this group that I cease all continued banter on this subject.
>
> Well, I can appreciate the first two points of this statement but, I
> just read a thread where some guy with a personal grudge wants to
> assassinate a comic strip character. The banter part may fit in well.
"Personal" is right! And 'The Family Circus' is NEXT!
Actually, I'm quite aware that one can't physically harm a cartoon
character (except with turpentine, as in 'Who Framed Roger Rabbit').
What I _would like to see is 'Fred Basset' dropped quietly from my
city's paper. And any day now I'm gonna write 'em and propose a
replacement...
--
David
> Juha Romppananen is the man's name. Ring any bells?
> ST
Hmm. Good point.
"Hey, who tore The Family Circus cartoon out of my paper and wiped their ass
with it?!?!?"
"Not me!" (aw, isn't that fucking cute? with the little ghost guy with
"not me" written on him and the newspaper sticking out of his crack?
awwwww...)
ron
All I know about him is that he has conducted a whole lot of interviews
with ex-Zappa alumni. I think he took a trip to California back in 1996,
interviewing many (all?) of the BFU members.
I hope Juha is going to write a book based on his ex-sidemen meetings -
that's the kind if Zappa book that I feel is still missing on the market.
- Jon
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Hey, the mother in that strip is cute!
So send her my way and do whatever you want with the rest.
She's frigid. Trust me.
Lewis Saul wrote:
>
> >
> >Hey, the mother in that strip is cute!
>
> She's frigid. Trust me.
Helga from 'Hagar the Horrible' could probably use some lovin'. He's
never home!
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Nah, I'm going over to Blondie's. Maybe the daughter
is home too.
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>
> Lewis Saul wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >Hey, the mother in that strip is cute!
> >
> > She's frigid. Trust me.
>
> Helga from 'Hagar the Horrible' could probably use some lovin'. He's
> never home!
The daughter is cuter, but they both look horny.