Zappa stuff you don't like (beware: blasphemy inside)
Nik Lowenberg
Is there a song by Zappa you don't particularly care for? Some bit you
don't exactly love or some piece of music that Zappa did you wouldn't
really consider your favorite? Let me know. What's someting I don't like
you ask? Well, I don't really like the One Size Fits All album save for
the first song.
P.S. The responses I really like the best and hope to get the most of goes
something like this:
"hay man, i like everything frankie did1"
"i think all of his music is the best :^)"
"Zappa never played a bad note in his entire career, my dear boy."
"I think all his shit is fucking great man!!!"
See, aren't you really a fan boy if you like everything a particular artist
did? Wouldn't that kind of devalue your evaluation skills if you think
everything single thing somebody did? Contrary to popular belief, Zappa
did play a bum note once in his career. Maybe you don't think so, but
isn't it kind of foolish of you not to have musical taste? It must be
pretty easy for you to go record shopping if you like everything. Just
picking something up at random and knowing you're going to like it, that
would make things a lot easier. Unfortunately, all the music I want to
hear is either on an out of print album, on a bootleg tape, or was never
taped at all.
You see, for me, it calls your music appreciation skills into question if
you say you absolutely love everything an artist did regardless. Perhaps
it is different for some of you, maybe you do love everything Zappa ever
did, I just find it hard to believe.
Jack P. Armstrong
>the first song.
>
Youuuuuu bastard! The only thing on that album I don't care for is "Po-Jama
People." It's kinda boring.
But the only Zappa album I have a personal dislike for is CP3. I like JFH and
Yellow Shark and Lumpy Gravy, but i just cant get into CP3.
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have been left unsaid. I don't like a few things: One of those things is
Ya Honza, and another is Much of Zoot Allures album. Don't care much for
Stevies spanking either or 200 years old or much of bongo fury for that
matter. Them or us kinda pisses me off too (the album). It's a lot of
really cool stuff and a lot of real shitty stuff.
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Nik Lowenberg wrote in message <01bee79c$d1d27e20$76834c0c@nl-hello>...
>
>Is there a song by Zappa you don't particularly care for? Some bit you
>don't exactly love or some piece of music that Zappa did you wouldn't
>really consider your favorite? Let me know. What's someting I don't like
>you ask? Well, I don't really like the One Size Fits All album save for
>the first song.
>
Rev. Matt Keeley
>
> Is there a song by Zappa you don't particularly care for? Some bit you
> don't exactly love or some piece of music that Zappa did you wouldn't
> really consider your favorite? Let me know. What's someting I don't like
> you ask? Well, I don't really like the One Size Fits All album save for
> the first song.
Dude, someone else doesn't like OSFA! I thought I was all alone on that
one! I dunno, it's all right, but I've only heard it once. I like
Evelyn, A Modified Dog, and San Berdino's one of my favorite songs of
all time, but that's about it... I WILL buy it, duh, but it's not high
on my list.... I'm also not a big fan of Them Or Us, well, except for
Baby Take Your Teeth Out, which should have been longer. Like an entire
side. It should have been Baby Take Your Teeth Out or Us or something.
Damn, I like that song. And it's got some other good songs on there,
but hey. I'm awfully fond of Joe's Garage, but I think the last half
could have been more cohesive (and a bit better -- I know this is
blasphemy, but I'm not a fan of the way the JG songs wander around and
do long-ass solos -- which isn't to say I'm not a fan of FZ's solos, but
these ones just seem a bit boring. Although Watermelon in Easter Hay,
god damn, that song is fucking BEAUTIFUL. And I really like Packard
Goose. But Watermelon. Damn. Listen to that song. I command it.),
and I'm not that big a fan of Outside now.
And, for me, anyone who loves an artist blindly needs a kick in the
head. Unless said artist has only released, like, an EP or something.
I mean, then hey, yeah, you can like every song they've ever done, cause
they've only done a few. But when you start getting into people who've
done truckloads, then it starts getting kinda unfeasible, y'know what I
mean? Especially when it gets to the point of Blasphemy to say that
maybe, just maybe, the arrangement on a b-side just might not be the
best they could do. That gets a little stupid, there, folks. Luckily,
I haven't run into this that much on a.f.f-z. But on other newsgroups
and mailing lists, UGH. I just ended up unsubscribing... point of those
sorts of things is to have a DISCUSSION about the music. Sitting around
and going "Gee, [band x] sure is great." "Yeah, [band x] are the
greatest band to ever live." "Yep, [band x] is sure great." "Uh huh,
[band x] are the greatest band alive today." "Yep." doesn't DO
ANYTHING. If I wanted to hear that, I could just record myself saying
that and LOOP THE MOTHERFUCKER. These groups are only good if we can
actually TALK about them without worrying that we're gonna be flamed for
suggesting that [band x] isn't God. I mean, YES, Frank Zappa is one of
my foremost musical heroes, and YES, Frank Zappa is way far up on my
list of favorite musicians, tied for #1, and NO, I pretty much have NO
shot at matching his musical talent, but there are some of his works
that I DON'T LIKE. I personally don't find them pleasing to the ear,
and in the odd case, I don't think that they're actually GOOD. But
THAT'S OK. I've yet to find a band out there that didn't do at least
one song that I hate. FZ's about the closest, because the only song I
can think off off hand that I WILL skip is Conehead. And I don't HATE
it, it's just that it was amusing the first couple of times, but
afterwards got kinda lame. Musically, it's pretty good, but lyrically,
I really think that the phrase "Well, he could have tried harder" was
BORN for that song.
But anyway, yeah. Newsgroups that don't degenerate into back-patting
sessions are good. That's all I'm trying to say here. That and I don't
like Conehead. I mean, REALLY, FRANK.
Matt
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Yeah.
Michael Gula
> You see, for me, it calls your music appreciation skills into question if
> you say you absolutely love everything an artist did regardless.
I doubt that anyone would seriously make such a statement about
Zappa.
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<Lowenber...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
:
:Is there a song by Zappa you don't particularly care for? Some bit you
:don't exactly love or some piece of music that Zappa did you wouldn't
:really consider your favorite? Let me know. What's someting I don't like
:you ask? Well, I don't really like the One Size Fits All album save for
:the first song.
:
:P.S. The responses I really like the best and hope to get the most of goes
:something like this:
:
:"hay man, i like everything frankie did1"
:
:"i think all of his music is the best :^)"
:
:"Zappa never played a bad note in his entire career, my dear boy."
:
:"I think all his shit is fucking great man!!!"
:
:See, aren't you really a fan boy if you like everything a particular artist
:did? Wouldn't that kind of devalue your evaluation skills if you think
:everything single thing somebody did? Contrary to popular belief, Zappa
:did play a bum note once in his career. Maybe you don't think so, but
:isn't it kind of foolish of you not to have musical taste? It must be
:pretty easy for you to go record shopping if you like everything. Just
:picking something up at random and knowing you're going to like it, that
:would make things a lot easier. Unfortunately, all the music I want to
:hear is either on an out of print album, on a bootleg tape, or was never
:taped at all.
:
:You see, for me, it calls your music appreciation skills into question if
:you say you absolutely love everything an artist did regardless. Perhaps
:it is different for some of you, maybe you do love everything Zappa ever
:did, I just find it hard to believe.
It's almost impossible to love every note of music FZ ever wrote.
There are some things I respect but don't like very much and there are
many versions of songs I don't like as much as others. There are also
songs that were played live that get painfully boring after listening
to them 30-50 times.
I think it is more important to look at the big picture... 70 (give or
take) albums, hundreds of hours of live shows, several books and
several movies. I know for me, FZ delivered the goods on a consistent
basis more so than any other musician and this is why I continue to
collect tapes/vidoes/anything I can get my hands on.
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moods. I really never got into Lumpy Gravy and only listened to it, when it
was as the sequence of WOIIFTM on the EMI CD.
For along time I absolutely hated the "Blue Light," but after close to a
decade of listening to it, the track is one of my favorite Zappa pieces,
except I thought the 81/82 version was better than the TTR version.
I also was disappointed when I bought Thingfish, but I like listening to it
when I'm working late at night on the computer, although I haven't played it
lately (8 years). One Zappa release that I don't like or play is the
Mystery Disk.
Pete
Jack P. Armstrong <stuco...@aol.comABBAZABA> wrote in message
news:19990816012356...@ng-fo1.aol.com...
> >you ask? Well, I don't really like the One Size Fits All album save for
> >the first song.
> >
>
MarkyB
"Nik Lowenberg" <Lowenber...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
(Snipity-snip)
I know you've been around this group for a while, and post quite
regularly, but you are under-estimating us all if you think you needed
to put all the above crap in your post. Out of all the band/artist ng's
out there that I've seen, this one is easily the least fawning and most
critical of its subject. In fact your post is borderline offensive to
us all.
Oh, and for the record, I find Over-nite Sensation quite boring to
listen to, a nice cover, a couple of nice solos, but thats about it.
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the Beach Again really curl my hair in a bad way. Never have liked that
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DK de la Mar
> Is there a song by Zappa you don't particularly care for? Some bit you
> don't exactly love or some piece of music that Zappa did you wouldn't
> really consider your favorite? Let me know. What's someting I don't like
> you ask? Well, I don't really like the One Size Fits All album save for
> the first song.
>
(yada yada snipped)
"I Don't Even Care" from MOP, actually that whole album is kind of a
disappointment to me.
Nik Lowenberg
> I know you've been around this group for a while, and post quite
> regularly, but you are under-estimating us all if you think you needed
> to put all the above crap in your post. Out of all the band/artist ng's
> out there that I've seen, this one is easily the least fawning and most
> critical of its subject. In fact your post is borderline offensive to
> us all.
What the fuck, you're calling the explaination of why I posted crap? You
want me to just say:
"Hey, anything you guys don't like by Zappa?"
I'm sorry your attention span is so short. I was simply putting reasoning
behind my post. The "crap" was more the point of the post than the generic
question up top that has been asked dozens of times. I was making a point,
about fan boys and musical appreciation. Sorry you were offended, but I
don't see why. What? You can't take a blow to your ego? See, newsgroups
get all kinds of new people each day and somebody new might choose a
generic question to respond too, such as mine, and some of them might put
down one of those example answers I wrote.
Michael Gula
I don't like that one either, but:
One Man, One Vote--excellent
What's New In Baltimore--excellent
Alien Orifice--excellent
and a few of the others are pretty good, too.
Nik Lowenberg
> (yada yada snipped)
"yada yada" being the important part of the post, but lets just snip it to
get to the generic question at hand instead of making an intelligent
response. I should ask these while I'm at it:
"What are your 5 favorite Zappa albums?"
"What are your 10 favorite Zappa albums?"
"What are your 20 favorite Zappa songs?"
"Which Zappa songs do you like?"
"Do you like Zappa?"
The other guy claims it's offensive to post real material in posts,
basically stating that mind-numbing questions are better.
Rev.Cornelius
>
> > (yada yada snipped)
>
> "yada yada" being the important part of the post, but lets just snip it to
> get to the generic question at hand instead of making an intelligent
> response. I should ask these while I'm at it:
> "What are your 5 favorite Zappa albums?"
One Blow fix all.
We are only in it for the Lobotmoy.
You fart when you Fish.
Mix a Jazz Drug here.
Ding Dong Symphony orchestra.
chickyraptor
On 16 Aug 1999 05:11:11 GMT "Nik Lowenberg"
<Lowenber...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> Is there a song by Zappa you don't particularly care for? Some bit you
> don't exactly love or some piece of music that Zappa did you wouldn't
> really consider your favorite?
All of the pieces of music that Zappa did except for the one
that I consider my favorite would fall into that category,
but I'd be hard pressed to figure out which one.
--Dave
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disillisioned know-it-alls. They feel like they are superior because they dig
this kind of music. Really, I ran into a few of these type of people, they do
exist. I guess they pick up on putting down a lot of things the way Frank does
himself and they become pretty fucked up, self-centered, and arrogent people. I
guess the people who feel that it is a fact that Frank Zappa is the only good
musian alive have some kind of problem, but that's their own decision. There is
other music out there that is just as rich, creative, complicated, humerous,
adventurous, meaningful and challenging, but they refuse to believe that. And
that is the Zappa stuff I don't like.
K. Cos II
Nik Lowenberg wrote:
> Is there a song by Zappa you don't particularly care for? Some bit you
> don't exactly love or some piece of music that Zappa did you wouldn't
> really consider your favorite?
Album-wise:
Absolutely Free - as a whole, I can't go all the way through it very
often...neat hearing the genesis of call any veg, brown shoes, etc...as an
album, probably my least listened to.
Fillmore East - the intrumental stuff is great, esp. house,turkey,peaches, but
the Flo and Eddie tracks beg to be seen as well as heard...a lot is lost just
listening to them going through the antics (true also for the first half of
AOTT)...production-wise, its so shitty I just can't play the whole thing...and
I really wish it included pt two of Willie...I know its out of whack w/pt one,
but I don't care...stick in some kind of transitional section, just a quick
snort or something'd do.
Tinseltown Rebellion - again, some great tracks, but there's something about it
I can't put my finger on that makes the album an undesirable listen.
Song-wise (that are skipped every time):
Valerie (Of course removing this would mean the necessary loss of WPLJ also,
but that could be stuck somewhere else)
Zomby Woof (shut up, Shut Up, SHUT UP!)
Wind up Workin' in a Gas Station (see Zomby Woof)
Lemme take you to the Beach (ditto parenthetical rant)
Valley Girl (Moon, if you weren't s'damn cute, I'd hate you for it)
My vote for worst track in the entire collection:
Promiscuous (BTHW)
My vote for song never to be included in any future release:
Sharleena - love the guitar solos, but PLEASE leave the rest behind, I've heard
it enough
...my $.02 (or was that $.20?)
Cosmc
Darkhop
>
> Is there a song by Zappa you don't particularly care for?
Can't think of a particular song off the top of my head, but I get tired
of all the times he used the 'fake reggae texture' for a solo backdrop.
There seems to be a ton of 'em.
Darkhop
>
> DK de la Mar wrote:
> >
> >
> > > Is there a song by Zappa you don't particularly care for? Some bit you
> > > don't exactly love or some piece of music that Zappa did you wouldn't
> > > you ask? Well, I don't really like the One Size Fits All album save for
> > > the first song.
> > >
> >
> > (yada yada snipped)
> > "I Don't Even Care" from MOP, actually that whole album is kind of a
> > disappointment to me.
>
> I don't like that one either, but:
>
> One Man, One Vote--excellent
> What's New In Baltimore--excellent
> Alien Orifice--excellent
>
> and a few of the others are pretty good, too.
Like Porn Wars.
Nik Lowenberg
> Fillmore East - the intrumental stuff is great, esp.
house,turkey,peaches, but
> the Flo and Eddie tracks beg to be seen as well as heard...a lot is lost
just
> listening to them going through the antics (true also for the first half
of
> AOTT)...production-wise, its so shitty I just can't play the whole thing
I love this album and it's one of the only albums I can listen to all the
way through. The Flo and Eddie sketches are just as funny to me being
heard. Production bad? I doubt it. You're probably one othe same people
who thinks the quality is bad on Unmitigateed Audacity. That album has
three times better quality than two 1970 Hawkwind tapes I have.
> Lemme take you to the Beach
I love that song!
TYCOWYD
YAWYI - terrible songs, i mean terrible, good-bye subtlety
Tinseltown, MFU, dhbim, BTHW - zappa's bad-to-good ratio increased
exponentially in the 80s
Last 2/3rds of joes garage(except for watermelon and Rosetta)
word
Michael Gula
> YAWYI - terrible songs, i mean terrible, good-bye subtlety
"Good-bye subtlety"? When was Frank ever subtle?
Tom Tuerff
> TYCOWYD wrote:
>
> > YAWYI - terrible songs, i mean terrible, good-bye subtlety
>
> "Good-bye subtlety"? When was Frank ever subtle?
I really like most of that album.
I really DON'T like parts of "Man from Utopia," and I HATE the song SEX.
It's stupid and even for Frankie boy, amazingly adolescent. Any song that
I would have written when I was 13 and forgotten about by 13 and a half is
hardly prime Frank.
TT
Franklin Delano Roosevelt
>What the fuck,
>why I posted crap?
>
>"Hey, anything you guys don't like by Zappa?"
>
I was simply putting ego
>behind my post. The "crap" was more the point of the post >
What? You can't blow your fan boys?
Franklin Delano Roosevelt
about those who like everything about zappa if you didn't really want us to
talk about what Zappa stuff we didn't like and why. There really isn't much
to talk about there anyway, everyone seems to dislike some aspect of Zappa
music, my greatest dislike being all the crap on tinseltown rebellion and
Them or Us and Bongo Fury.
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Nik Lowenberg wrote in message <01bee81a$1dbd6de0$09834c0c@nl-hello>...
>
>> (yada yada snipped)
>
>"yada yada" being the important part of the post, but lets just snip it to
>get to the generic question at hand instead of making an intelligent
>response. I should ask these while I'm at it:
>
>"What are your 5 favorite Zappa albums?"
>
ZappaLVR
<Lowenber...@worldnet.att.net> writes:
>> (yada yada snipped)
>
>"yada yada" being the important part of the post, but lets just snip it to
>get to the generic question at hand instead of making an intelligent
>response. I should ask these while I'm at it:
>
>"What are your 5 favorite Zappa albums?"
>
>"What are your 10 favorite Zappa albums?"
>
>"What are your 20 favorite Zappa songs?"
>
>"Which Zappa songs do you like?"
>
>"Do you like Zappa?"
>
>The other guy claims it's offensive to post real material in posts,
>basically stating that mind-numbing questions are better.
>
Nik, why such a chip on your shoulder? You seem irritable; are you getting
enough fiber in your diet?
FWIW, I don't care for:
Why Dontcha Do Me Right & Big Leg Emma on the Ab Free CD.
I Don't Even Care is mediocre
I've never heard a version of Dinah Moe Humm that I thought was truly
excellent.
I don't like the voice parts on Disc II of Civ Phaze III.
Luigi and the Wise Guys I could live without
Most of Francesco Zappa is expendable (I like the first cut)
There are others, I suppose (some cuts from Guitar are kinda boring, etc.)
Zapp...@aol.com a.k.a. Chris Maxfield
Kill Ugly Sig Files!
ZappaLVR
Roosevelt" <jli...@earthlimk.net> writes:
>You ought to have specified that you wanted us to respond to your statement
>about those who like everything about zappa if you didn't really want us to
>talk about what Zappa stuff we didn't like and why. There really isn't much
>to talk about there anyway, everyone seems to dislike some aspect of Zappa
>music, my greatest dislike being all the crap on tinseltown rebellion and
>Them or Us and Bongo Fury.
>
Shit, Nik's always getting pissed because he writes unclear posts with unclear
goals, and then we don't respond to them the way he desired or anticipated. We
should be used to this by now.
Dan B.
Also, most of Joe's Garage. Damn, the concept of Joe's Garage was so
good: imagine if music was outlawed in the future--what a great idea for
Frank do some thought-provoking stuff on the nature of freedom of
expression, censorship and the engaging in creative acts that can be
viewed as against the 'establishment'. And what did we get: some good
solos mixed in with a bunch of 'plooking', wet-t-shirt titties, and
record company-guy gang-bangs. But that's cool, Joe's Garage is some
people's favorite FZ album.
K. Cos II wrote:
>
> Nik Lowenberg wrote:
>
> > Is there a song by Zappa you don't particularly care for? Some bit you
> > don't exactly love or some piece of music that Zappa did you wouldn't
> > really consider your favorite?
>
> Album-wise:
>
> Absolutely Free - as a whole, I can't go all the way through it very
> often...neat hearing the genesis of call any veg, brown shoes, etc...as an
> album, probably my least listened to.
>
> Fillmore East - the intrumental stuff is great, esp. house,turkey,peaches, but
> the Flo and Eddie tracks beg to be seen as well as heard...a lot is lost just
> listening to them going through the antics (true also for the first half of
> AOTT)...production-wise, its so shitty I just can't play the whole thing...and
> I really wish it included pt two of Willie...I know its out of whack w/pt one,
> but I don't care...stick in some kind of transitional section, just a quick
> snort or something'd do.
>
> Tinseltown Rebellion - again, some great tracks, but there's something about it
> I can't put my finger on that makes the album an undesirable listen.
>
> Song-wise (that are skipped every time):
>
> Valerie (Of course removing this would mean the necessary loss of WPLJ also,
> but that could be stuck somewhere else)
> Zomby Woof (shut up, Shut Up, SHUT UP!)
> Wind up Workin' in a Gas Station (see Zomby Woof)
> Lemme take you to the Beach (ditto parenthetical rant)
> Valley Girl (Moon, if you weren't s'damn cute, I'd hate you for it)
>
> My vote for worst track in the entire collection:
>
> Promiscuous (BTHW)
>
> My vote for song never to be included in any future release:
>
> Sharleena - love the guitar solos, but PLEASE leave the rest behind, I've heard
> it enough
>
> ...my $.02 (or was that $.20?)
> Cosmc
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Dan B.
I don't like Live In NY either other than The Black Page & I Promise Not
To... , uh-oh better stop before I get carried away.
Tom Tuerff
>...and the fact that, while rec.music.beatles swarms
> with people who can answer all of my inane trivia questions (like "Who
> was the tape engineer on take 13 remake of What You're Doing, or
> something)
Geoff Emerick. LOL
Actually I have no idea. I just couldn't resist!!
TT
GoDrex30
on Uncle Meat I don't like - -but not a lot. I had Playground Psychotics
once - had to sell that one. I'm sure there are others. I really hate all
the stuff Nik Lowenburg is into. I do happen to enjoy a lot of the really
juvenile stuff - like SEX - -because everyone else just hates it so much.
That's just my sense of humor. I love the sixth grade humor. Can't help it -
sorry. I'm just really immature I guess. Just call me low brow. It's the
stupid stuff that makes me laugh. It's a guilty pleasure I guess. Still, I
really enjoy his instrumental stuff as well - - though not all of it. I
think I like stuff from throughout his career - just not every single song.
But for the most part I like it. It all has the same signature FZ sound and
feel - even the really complex stuff.
Michael Gula
>
> >
> >> YAWYI - terrible songs, i mean terrible, good-bye subtlety
> >
> >"Good-bye subtlety"? When was Frank ever subtle?
>
> with the subject of the lyrics being so repetitive, and the music superly
> dumbed-down so we can hear every word perfectly.
I don't find either of those titles subtle.
The opposite of subtle is blunt. And no one was more blunt than
Frank Zappa.
Subtle? Randy Newman (sometimes). Steely Dan (always). That's
subtle.
Michael Gula
> my greatest dislike being all the crap on tinseltown rebellion and
> Them or Us and Bongo Fury.
Somebody get him a Pepsi!
Michael Gula
> the fact that, while rec.music.beatles swarms
> with people who can answer all of my inane trivia questions (like "Who
> was the tape engineer on take 13 remake of What You're Doing, or
> something),
Of course! It's all in Lewisohn--with a nice index. We're on our
own.
Johan Lif
> Tinseltown Rebellion - again, some great tracks, but there's something
> about it I can't put my finger on that makes the album an undesirable
> listen.
I think I can put my finger on what makes it an undersirable listen:
"Easy Meat" (very likely one of the worst things he ever did), "Ain't
Got No Heart", "Panty Rap", "Tell Me You Love Me", "Peaches III" (the
synth solo).
I agree about "Promiscuous" (awful lyrically and musically), but don't
see how anyone could dislike "Lemme Take You to the Beach".
Johan
Johan Lif
> You see, for me, it calls your music appreciation skills into question if
> you say you absolutely love everything an artist did regardless. Perhaps
> it is different for some of you, maybe you do love everything Zappa ever
> did, I just find it hard to believe.
I think the existance of fans who love everything FZ ever did is pretty
much mythical.
Johan
Johan Lif
> "yada yada" being the important part of the post, but lets just snip it to
> get to the generic question at hand instead of making an intelligent
> response.
Troll.
Jon Naurin
Exactly. People have always been complaining about the love-it-all,
fan-boy-type posters on this newsgroup, but I don't think I've ever ever come
across one single such post. Well, I remember one post from my first year here
(1994) that pissed me off, something to the effect of "if you can name FZ's
worst album, you're not a real fan". But as someone else pointed out, this
group seems to have a healthy dose of distance - along with their love - to
FZ's music.
- Jon
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David Goodwin
<Lowenber...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
<snip>
I have general contempt for the "ooh, I"m gonna overdub Chad on
EVERYTHING" 80s-ish sound (which means Them or Us, etc.), the
excessively goofy eighties shows (which I don't HATE...I just prefer
earlier shows..) and the fact that, while rec.music.beatles swarms
with people who can answer all of my inane trivia questions (like "Who
was the tape engineer on take 13 remake of What You're Doing, or
something), I'M the one forced into writing my own damn faq for
WOIIFTM. Hmph. Which is hard work.
The last one was sorta off-topic, no?;-)
David
"Morrison even coined a new term: if Miller's works
were pornographic, then rock was pornophonic, or
even stereopornophonic, which was twice as bad."
-Linda Martin/Kerry Segrave
"Anti-Rock: An Opposition to Rock and Roll."
Nik Lowenberg
> Nik, why such a chip on your shoulder?
My post was more about the existance fan-boyism and fan-boy actions than
about some dumb question.
Nik Lowenberg
> Troll.
Oh, sorry, I'm a troll. I've seen the error in my ways and will stop
posting and explaining my posts.
When you call someone a troll they just end up trolling more often because
they know it makes you mad. If you don't have anything to contribute or
don't like what someone posts, ignore it. If you don't like PAPA, ignore
his posts. It's very simple.
Nik Lowenberg
> Shit, Nik's always getting pissed because he writes unclear posts with
unclear
> goals
So I gather that your posts are always clear and always have very clear
goals. Maybe your posts are generic? Posts that make you think and have
more content appeal to me more than "What's your favorite..."
If you didn't understand my post, why did you respond? You answered the
generic question and then you posted complaining that you didn't think it
was clear?
Oh, sorry about getting pissed all the time. It's a fiber deficiency.
Jack P. Armstrong
>regularly, but you are under-estimating us all if you think you needed
>to put all the above crap in your post. Out of all the band/artist ng's
>out there that I've seen, this one is easily the least fawning and most
>critical of its subject. In fact your post is borderline offensive to
>us all.
>
>Oh, and for the record, I find Over-nite Sensation quite boring to
>listen to, a nice cover, a couple of nice solos, but thats about it.
You MUST be trolling.
- - - - - - -
Jody B. (aka Jack P. Armstrong)
"DODONGO hates smoke." - The Old Man
"Buddha would never be in a box in the first place." - some guy wearing a mu-mu
Jack P. Armstrong
>disillisioned know-it-alls. They feel like they are superior because they dig
I don't like the Zappa fans who take his works a little TOO far..
.<cough>churchofappliantologyscientologistwitchhunt</cough>
TYCOWYD
ZappaLVR
<Lowenber...@worldnet.att.net> writes:
>
>So I gather that your posts are always clear and always have very clear
>goals. Maybe your posts are generic? Posts that make you think and have
>more content appeal to me more than "What's your favorite..."
I never asked anything like that.
>If you didn't understand my post, why did you respond? You answered the
>generic question and then you posted complaining that you didn't think it
>was clear?
You keep making these posts, complaining that people don't understand them and
then explaining them yourself. The generic question was the only clear part,
that's why I answered it.
>
>Oh, sorry about getting pissed all the time. It's a fiber deficiency.
>
Must be something. You seem awfully angry. Snotty is more like it, actually.
Look, I never said I was perfect. I've been cranky at times myself on this NG.
But lately it seems like all you do is complain and generalize about what is
wrong with "us." Sorry if this seems unreasonable of me to observe, but I must
call them the way I see them, the same as you seem to. But don't expect us to
simply agree with you about these things. If you want to post things that stir
up trouble, don't get snippy when trouble is what you get.
ZappaLVR
<Lowenber...@worldnet.att.net> writes:
I've never met one of those here. Why choose this NG for such observations,
complaints? If you didn't want anybody to answer the "dumb" question, why ask
it?
Jack P. Armstrong
>often...neat hearing the genesis of call any veg, brown shoes, etc...as an
>album, probably my least listened to.
That's a shame...
>
>Fillmore East - the intrumental stuff is great, esp. house,turkey,peaches,
I used to dislike this too. You'll grow to love it.
>but that could be stuck somewhere else)
>Zomby Woof (shut up, Shut Up, SHUT UP!)
>Lemme take you to the Beach (ditto parenthetical rant)
<sniffle> These are two BEAUTIFUL songs.
>My vote for worst track in the entire collection:
>
>Promiscuous (BTHW)
No! No no NO! This is a BRILLIANT song! What don't you like about it?
>Sharleena - love the guitar solos, but PLEASE leave the rest behind, I've
>heard
>it enough
>
You can never hear the Lost Episodes version of Sharleena too many times.
Jack P. Armstrong
>> about it I can't put my finger on that makes the album an undesirable
>> listen.
>
>I think I can put my finger on what makes it an undersirable listen:
>"Easy Meat" (very likely one of the worst things he ever did), "Ain't
>Got No Heart", "Panty Rap", "Tell Me You Love Me", "Peaches III" (the
>synth solo).
Easy Meat has beautiful parts to it, and the synth solo is the only reason
Peaches III is above-average, IMO.
>
>I agree about "Promiscuous" (awful lyrically and musically), but don't
>see how anyone could dislike "Lemme Take You to the Beach".
The lyrics expound on his theory about the gubment's involvement in the AIDS
crisis. And the music is great! The sampled vocals and drums are pure-80s
hip-hop...
Jack P. Armstrong
>> with people who can answer all of my inane trivia questions (like "Who
>> was the tape engineer on take 13 remake of What You're Doing, or
>> something),
>
>own.
What a beautiful book. There's supposed to be some sort of new edition coming
out - is this true? We got that book for my father (HUGE beatles fan) when it
first came out... now it's all dog-eared, tattered, torn, beaten...
Rev.Cornelius
>
> >I don't like the Zappa fans who aquire his sense of humor and become
> >disillisioned know-it-alls. They feel like they are superior because they dig
>
> I don't like the Zappa fans who take his works a little TOO far..
Und du ist der papa, und der Batpuller. Do you realize what you have
done?
What if some people spendt thousands of dollars and thousands of hours
spewing cyber-terrorism, in order to destroy your net-culture? And they
kept going like maniacs for Years?
Read The True Story of Appliantology
http://home.sol/~corn/truestory.html
Jack P. Armstrong
>> >disillisioned know-it-alls. They feel like they are superior because they
>dig
>>
>> I don't like the Zappa fans who take his works a little TOO far..
> church of appliantology scientolog ist witchhunt
>
>
>Und du ist der papa, und der Batpuller.
Nein, ich bin PAPA nicht, und ich bin Batpuller nicht. Ich bin Jody. Das ist
alles ich bin, ich bin nichts sonst. At least one person on this newsgroup
knows my full name and home address, so you can be sure that I'm not afraid of
giving out my "Real" identity to people I trust. And I still don't get why you
think i am papa am batpuller am nynex am jimmy am bobby am as an am the ark
unmitigated audacity piquantique.
> Do you realize what you have done?
Posted a message in german? JAWOHL!
Quinbus Flestrin
We're Only In It For the Money feels like it was written for short
attention spans. There's so much shifting to the thing--right in the
middle of "Idiot Bastard Son,' for example, we're bothered with thirty
seconds of babbling and sped-up snorts before it fades back into the
song. Why? "Lonely Little Girl" was treated with obvious contempt,
and the whole's album's sort of noisy.
Fillmore East--I don't give a damn who's Dick is a Monster. Though I
enjoy the Mud Shark.
Broadway the Hard Way has the best version of "Outside Now" I've ever
heard. But aside from "Any Kind of Pain", the thing feels like a
Weird Al Yankovic album. (In fact, Mike Keneally's voice is eerily
similar to Al's. I can remember checking the liner notes to make sure
it wasn't him.) Not to mention that a lot of the political
commentary is painfully dated.
What else? Well, "I'm The Slime," bores me, and aside from his cameo
on the flawless One Size Fits All, Johnny "Guitar" Watson should have
shut up and played his nickname. I am also annoyed by the fact that
Uncle Meat was not tucked onto a single disc; it would have fit
snugly.
--Quinbus Flestrin--
Johan Lif
> Easy Meat has beautiful parts to it, and the synth solo is the only reason
> Peaches III is above-average, IMO.
Then we think differently.
> The lyrics expound on his theory about the gubment's involvement in the AIDS
> crisis. And the music is great! The sampled vocals and drums are pure-80s
> hip-hop...
But the "theory" just shows his unfortunate inclination towards the
simplicities of conspiracy theories, and rap really wasn't what Frank
did best.
Johan
Tommi Ojanperä
viestissä:ttuerff-1608...@10.0.0.245...
> I really DON'T like parts of "Man from Utopia," and I HATE the song SEX.
> It's stupid and even for Frankie boy, amazingly adolescent.
Funny... I always thought it was meant to be that way on purpose.
It's Zappa's "I Wanna Hold Your Hand", only it's stupid the other
way around. And "I Have Been in You" kinda continues the theme.
Other than that, I find SEX *musically* incredibly boring.
Tommi A. Ojanpera <to...@itu.st.jyu.fi>
Jyvaskyla, FINLAND <www.jyu.fi/~tojan>
"Terminat hora diem; terminat auctor opus."
phil
This is kinda difficult, but I'll have a go, the stuff Im not keen on.
1 Freak Out - The productions a bit thin sounding & some of the songs a
tad weak (Although the CD mix
improves the album) for me FZ's worst 60's album.
2 Chunga's Revenge - Some great stuff on here, but an unsatisfying listen
& a very thin production.
3 Zoot Allures - Some great songs, but for some reason the whole thing
doesn't hang together well.
I don't like Disco Boy, or Ms Pinky & I'm really bored of "Torture"
However the title track still
sounds great as does Black Napkins.
4 Zappa in NY - To my ears this is a lazy album, very flat sounding, & a
bit showbizzy (self parody I know) but all that Don Pardo stuff I can
live without, It could've been trimed to make a great single album.
although I love "Leather" so what the fuck am I babbling about?
5 Joe's Garage Acts 2&3 - Not as focused as Act 1, too many long guitar
solos to cover a lack of real material, I think again the whole thing
could've been trimed to make a truly great Dbl album.
6 Them or Us - Not enough quality matrial & too many throwaways
"Sharleena" again anybody?
ugly 80's production.
7 Thing Fish - A real mood album, sometimes great, sometimes not so
great, too many old songs rehashed & it's that ugly 80's production
again. (Interesting concept though & some funny dialogue)
8 Boulez - To my ears the Ensemble pieces & Synclavier pieces don't
really complement each other
(neither here nor there) composition wise it's great.
9 Francesco Zappa - nice enough when the mood suits.
10 Meets the MOP - too much of a mish mash (some of the "Rock" stuff
isn't that inspired-"I don't even care" probably one of FZ's worst along
with "Tengo Na Minchia Tanta", however the Synclavier stuff is
fucking great, should've been released elsewhere "Jazz from Hell" maybe.
11 Jazz from Hell - way too short, at the time FZ was quoting at having
100's of synclavier recordings
stored & all we get is 28 mins not including "St Etienne" which should've
been on "Guitar"
12 YCDTOSA In my humble opinion there's some great moments spread out
over the 12 discs, but
the editing together of different years & line ups has always spoiled my
enjoyment, I know 2 & 5
are more coherent, but you get the jist don't ya.
Anyway I just wanted to end with that, overall Frank was pretty
consistent & rarely lets you down, so
my coments above are just of course my opinions of listening for nearly
20 years & I guess once he
gets ya, that's pretty much it, he's definitely shaped my life, certainly
the way I see & hear things.
Cheers for reading
Phil
Tal
> >> the fact that, while rec.music.beatles swarms
> >> with people who can answer all of my inane trivia questions (like "Who
> >> was the tape engineer on take 13 remake of What You're Doing, or
> >> something),
> >
> >Of course! It's all in Lewisohn--with a nice index. We're on our
> >own.
>
> What a beautiful book. There's supposed to be some sort of new edition
coming
> out - is this true? We got that book for my father (HUGE beatles fan)
when it
> first came out... now it's all dog-eared, tattered, torn, beaten...
Lewisohn also wrote "The Complete Beatles
Chronicles" (Pyramid Books 1992), which has
several new facts and updates on the recording
sessions, as well as a day-to-day overview of
live gigs, tv appearances and non-EMI recordings.
Also a beautiful book.
DK de la Mar
> DK de la Mar wrote:
> >
> > Nik Lowenberg wrote:
> >
> > > Is there a song by Zappa you don't particularly care for? Some bit you
> > > don't exactly love or some piece of music that Zappa did you wouldn't
> > > really consider your favorite? Let me know. What's someting I don't like
> > > you ask? Well, I don't really like the One Size Fits All album save for
> > > the first song.
> > >
> >
> > (yada yada snipped)
> > "I Don't Even Care" from MOP, actually that whole album is kind of a
> > disappointment to me.
>
> I don't like that one either, but:
>
> One Man, One Vote--excellent
> What's New In Baltimore--excellent
> Alien Orifice--excellent
>
> and a few of the others are pretty good, too.
>
yeah, the album definitely has its high points--hearing "What's New in Baltimore?"
on Son of Cheep Thrills inspired me to buy it--but as a whole it's a bit boring at
times and mediocre at best
DK de la Mar
> Nik Lowenberg wrote:
>
> > Is there a song by Zappa you don't particularly care for? Some bit you
> > don't exactly love or some piece of music that Zappa did you wouldn't
> > really consider your favorite?
>
> Album-wise:
>
> Absolutely Free - as a whole, I can't go all the way through it very
> often...neat hearing the genesis of call any veg, brown shoes, etc...as an
> album, probably my least listened to.
>
> Fillmore East - the intrumental stuff is great, esp. house,turkey,peaches, but
> the Flo and Eddie tracks beg to be seen as well as heard...a lot is lost just
> listening to them going through the antics (true also for the first half of
> AOTT)...production-wise, its so shitty I just can't play the whole thing...and
> I really wish it included pt two of Willie...I know its out of whack w/pt one,
> but I don't care...stick in some kind of transitional section, just a quick
> snort or something'd do.
>
> Tinseltown Rebellion - again, some great tracks, but there's something about it
> I can't put my finger on that makes the album an undesirable listen.
>
> Song-wise (that are skipped every time):
>
> Valerie (Of course removing this would mean the necessary loss of WPLJ also,
> but that could be stuck somewhere else)
> Zomby Woof (shut up, Shut Up, SHUT UP!)
> Wind up Workin' in a Gas Station (see Zomby Woof)
> Lemme take you to the Beach (ditto parenthetical rant)
> Valley Girl (Moon, if you weren't s'damn cute, I'd hate you for it)
>
> My vote for worst track in the entire collection:
>
> Promiscuous (BTHW)
>
> My vote for song never to be included in any future release:
>
> Sharleena - love the guitar solos, but PLEASE leave the rest behind, I've heard
> it enough
>
> ...my $.02 (or was that $.20?)
> Cosmc
everything you named is actually some of my favorite material--especially
Absolutely Free--one of my personal favorites from the original Mothers of
Invention.
DK de la Mar
Quinbus Flestrin wrote:
> What I Dislike:
> (stuff about money snipped, i'm sure someone else while get on him about
> this anyway)
> Broadway the Hard Way has the best version of "Outside Now" I've ever
> heard. But aside from "Any Kind of Pain", the thing feels like a
> Weird Al Yankovic album. (In fact, Mike Keneally's voice is eerily
> similar to Al's. I can remember checking the liner notes to make sure
> it wasn't him.) Not to mention that a lot of the political
> commentary is painfully dated.
the political commentary wasn't all that dated back in the 80s when it was
released. although it is overly political, there's still great material on
that album--outside now, hot plate heaven, promiscuous (although sifting
through these responses, i find it's a commonly hated tune), and ike's
monologue on The Untouchables is amazing. taken out of context it's a
little boring but living it back in 88 definitely had an effect i think.
Dan Watkins
> But the "theory" just shows his unfortunate inclination towards the
> simplicities of conspiracy theories, and rap really wasn't what Frank
> did best.
Yeah, that's why he did a PARODY of rap.
-Dan
--
"There is no Hell... only France!" -FZ
Dan's Frank Zappa Page
http://members.xoom.com/_XOOM/The_Mothers/index.html
AOL Screen Name: madcow1515
ICQ Number: 30083560
Dan Watkins
> Like Porn Wars.
And Little Beige Sambo.
Jerry Hull
<dkil...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>everything you named is actually some of my favorite material--especially
>Absolutely Free--one of my personal favorites from the original Mothers of
>Invention.
I think some people can't get over the fact that in some songs, esp
the beginning of side 2, the drum is giving a beat that the singer is
completely ignoring.
--
Jer
"When you are at sea, keep clear of the land",
Publilius Syrus
Michael Gula
>
> On Tue, 17 Aug 1999 13:20:09 -0400, DK de la Mar
> <dkil...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >everything you named is actually some of my favorite material--especially
> >Absolutely Free--one of my personal favorites from the original Mothers of
> >Invention.
>
> I think some people can't get over the fact that in some songs, esp
> the beginning of side 2, the drum is giving a beat that the singer is
> completely ignoring.
>
>
The hi-hat riff which at first hearing is a standard jazz cliche
is in reality a complicated triple-nested tuplet which Ray
Collins is following with unbelievable precision.
You would have to see this notated to fully comprehend it.
--
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To reply remove MORESPAM from the address.
TYCOWYD
>>
>> several times - uncle remus, torture(ZA version) - i guess i have a problem
>> with the subject of the lyrics being so repetitive, and the music superly
>> dumbed-down so we can hear every word perfectly.
>
I find Zoot Allures version of Torture very subtle lyrically.
I guess you're right though about Zappa not being subtle - but it doesn't
really get to me on 60s and 70s stuff, because there was something subtle about
it - YAWYI - the lyrics come off as having been written in 2 mins - so plain.
And like i said, music being dumbed so down (like the title track) so we can
hear every single word doesn't help.
I just find the majority of the album absolutely repulsive.
Thanks for your arguments though Michael.
Jerry Hull
<mike...@MORESPAMerols.com> wrote:
>Jerry Hull wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 17 Aug 1999 13:20:09 -0400, DK de la Mar
>> <dkil...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >everything you named is actually some of my favorite material--especially
>> >Absolutely Free--one of my personal favorites from the original Mothers of
>> >Invention.
>>
>> I think some people can't get over the fact that in some songs, esp
>> the beginning of side 2, the drum is giving a beat that the singer is
>> completely ignoring.
>>
>An aural illusion which is far from the actual case.
>
>The hi-hat riff which at first hearing is a standard jazz cliche
>is in reality a complicated triple-nested tuplet which Ray
>Collins is following with unbelievable precision.
>
>You would have to see this notated to fully comprehend it.
If you will send me a midi or other notation, I will do my best to
comprehend it. And I concede, "completely ignoring" overstates the
point -- "disregarding the conventions of" would have been more
accurate. But I would like to see what you mean by "triple-nested
tuplet" (I thought the suckers were monogamous).
BTW, in retrospect, "Nested Tuplets" would have been the best title
for the some-day-upcoming AFFZ CD, IMHO. Caps lock off.
Dan Watkins
> 3 Zoot Allures - Some great songs, but for some reason the whole thing
> doesn't hang together well.
> I don't like Disco Boy, or Ms Pinky & I'm really bored of "Torture"
> However the title track still
> sounds great as does Black Napkins.
I never really cared for Torture. The song is okay, I guess. But I find all
the S&M screaming to be very distracting. I just find it hard to believe
that so many people LOVE that song. I love Wind Up Working In A Gas Station,
Black Napkins, Zoot Allures, and Disco Boy, but I think the rest of it is
just okay-ish.
> 4 Zappa in NY - To my ears this is a lazy album, very flat sounding, & a
> bit showbizzy (self parody I know) but all that Don Pardo stuff I can
> live without, It could've been trimed to make a great single album.
> although I love "Leather" so what the fuck am I babbling about?
Yeah. One thing I really don't like is the guitar overdubs on the CD. I'd
love to get it on vinyl some day. I think that I'm The Slime sounds great on
it even though the solo is shit compared to the original version. The Purple
Lagoon, I Promise Not To Come In Your Mouth, Pound For A Brown are great
too. Thanks to all the YCDTOSA CD's, I can't stand Honey Don't You Want A
Man Like Me anymore.
> 6 Them or Us - Not enough quality matrial & too many throwaways
> "Sharleena" again anybody?
> ugly 80's production.
As someone else in this thread said, there's some great stuff on there, and
there's some real clunkers on there. I love The Closer You Are, Sinister
Footwear, the instrumental part of Truck Driver Divorce, Stevie's Spanking,
Baby Take Your Teeth Out, Marque-Son's Chicken, Planet Of My Dreams, Be In My
Video, the "la-la-la-la la-la-la-la" part of Frogs With Dirty Little Lips,
and Whippin' Post. The rest of it I don't like. I don't even like In
France. I just don't like the way it sounds. The production just sounds so
cold.
> 7 Thing Fish - A real mood album, sometimes great, sometimes not so
> great, too many old songs rehashed & it's that ugly 80's production
> again. (Interesting concept though & some funny dialogue)
Yeah, I usually skip the You Are What You Is stuff when I listen to it.
> 10 Meets the MOP - too much of a mish mash (some of the "Rock" stuff
> isn't that inspired-"I don't even care" probably one of FZ's worst along
> with "Tengo Na Minchia Tanta", however the Synclavier stuff is
> fucking great, should've been released elsewhere "Jazz from Hell" maybe.
I was very disappointed with this one at first, but I grew to like it over
time. I don't really like I Don't Even Care or H.R. 2911. I like almost
everything else though.
> 11 Jazz from Hell - way too short, at the time FZ was quoting at having
> 100's of synclavier recordings
> stored & all we get is 28 mins not including "St Etienne" which should've
> been on "Guitar"
I like MTMOP better, but this one isn't bad. I don't really like the sound
of the Synclavier on quite a few of these songs. I like the Yellow Shark
version of G-Spot Tornado much much better. St. Etienne is my favorite.
Please forgive me for liking the most accessible one most.
> 12 YCDTOSA In my humble opinion there's some great moments spread out
> over the 12 discs, but
> the editing together of different years & line ups has always spoiled my
> enjoyment, I know 2 & 5
> are more coherent, but you get the jist don't ya.
Totally fucking agreed! I was pretty disappointed with a good portion of the
series. So many '84 versions of stuff I've heard a goddamn billion times. I
find Vol. 1, 2, and 6 pretty enjoyable though. Believe it or not, I like
disc one of Vol. 5 more than disc two. I was bothered by the songs where
Frank would mesh songs by two bands a decade apart in existence into one
track.
To be totally honest, I think every Zappa album has redeeming qualities.
Just to piss some people off, here's a list of some FZ songs I have no desire
to ever hear another version of:
Dinah Moe-Humm
Stink Foot
Cocaine Decisions (how much can you do with this song live that wasn't done
on MFU?)
In France
Sharleena
Cosmik Debris
Illinois Enema Bandit
The Torture Never Stops
Honey Don't You Want A Man Like Me?
Bobby Brown
Dancin' Fool
Bamboozled By Love
Easy Meat
He's So Gay (heard enough '84 tour versions)
Jack P. Armstrong
>for the some-day-upcoming AFFZ CD, IMHO. Caps lock off.
>
I already used that as the prospective title for Lewis's book, you plagiarising
bastard!
Furbelly
>Cocaine Decisions (how much can you do with this song live that wasn't done
>on MFU?)
Have a riot?
D.
Michael Gula
Brightest spots on YAWYI:
The suite: Beautiful Guy/No Pain/Enormous Mouth
The jaw-dropping musicianship on the difficult section of
"Jumbo."
Dan Watkins
> I think the problem with Zoot is almost every track was played better
> live so why bother listening to the album?
On Zoot I think that Black Napkins is as perfect as it ever got. I really love
the version of Wind Up Working In A Gas Station on Stage 6.
> ZINY is one of my favorites, I think the flow of the album is very
> interesting.
Yeah, it's pretty enjoyable, but I get sick of the first disc after too many
listens.
> I thought I was going to hate Them Or Us but I like 90% of it. Yo
> Honza is commonly hated by people it seems but it's one of my favorite
> tracks on the album.
Eh, I thought it was kind of amusing at first, but it's not the type of thing I'd
like to hear over and over.
> One of the biggest mistakes in FZ's career was overplaying the You Are
> What You Is combo. I get *so* sick of hearing them.
Yeah, but the YAWYI album is pretty close to perfect in my opinion.
> Night School, St. Etienne and While You Were Art 2 are amazing but the
> others don't do that much for me. I do enjoy listening to the album
> though even if it's not perfect.
Yeah, those three are certainly my favorites too.
> I gotta say I would have agreed a few weeks ago but lately I have been
> starting to really like the YCDTOSA disks. They could be a lot better
> though.
Yes, a LOT better.
> Stinkfoot can be a fun song, the MAJNH version is probably the best
> I've heard.
I only think it's fun because of the Swaggart monologue.
> The versions the HOT RATS band did were amazing but it never did much
> for me in the 80's. The Phlo and Eddie versions are pretty damn good
> to.
Damn, the only stuff from the Hot Rats band I've heard is the Hot Rats album. I
like the version of Sharleena on Chunga's Revenge, but I don't like the live
versions Flo and Eddie did. Flo and Eddie never got on my nerves until I started
listening to boots. On a lot of shows they sound like two cats being strangled.
> :Cosmik Debris
> For some strange reason I have been listening to this one again.
I never could see why this one was such a favorite of so many people.
> :Illinois Enema Bandit
> I like the Stage 6 version and the ZINY version but that's about it.
Same here.
> :The Torture Never Stops
>
> The more I think about it the more I like this song... Heck, I even
> like the 88 band version. My favorite is probably the 81 version (as
> heard on As An Am)
Sorry, I just don't like it too much. I do like the Thing-Fish version though.
The Evil Prince section is cool.
> :Bamboozled By Love
>
> The "owner of a lonely heart" quote makes me like this song again.
Aw, damn. I totally forgot about that. That was pretty funny!
> :Easy Meat
>
> I like the Stage 5 version but that's about it.
I liked the version on Tinsel Town Rebellion the first few times I heard it, but I
just grew out of it.
Michael Gula
>
> If you will send me a midi or other notation, I will do my best to
> comprehend it. And I concede, "completely ignoring" overstates the
> point -- "disregarding the conventions of" would have been more
> accurate. But I would like to see what you mean by "triple-nested
> tuplet" (I thought the suckers were monogamous).
Sadly, my transcribing skills are insufficient for accurate
transcription of music of such complexity.
Perhaps Michael Pierry...or Johan Wikberg.
Sam and/or Karen Rouse
> <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en">
> <!html>
A friendly advisement - a lot of us here will not read a word you write
unless you turn off the HTML crap.
Rev.Cornelius
>
> >> >I don't like the Zappa fans who aquire his sense of humor and become
> >> >disillisioned know-it-alls. They feel like they are superior because they
> >dig
> >>
> >> I don't like the Zappa fans who take his works a little TOO far..
> > church of appliantology scientolog ist witchhunt
> >
> >
> >Und du ist der papa, und der Batpuller.
>
> Nein, ich bin PAPA nicht, und ich bin Batpuller nicht. Ich bin Jody. Das ist
> alles ich bin, ich bin nichts sonst. At least one person on this newsgroup
> knows my full name and home address, so you can be sure that I'm not afraid of
> giving out my "Real" identity to people I trust.
I know where you live. I have read your homepage. There is says you live
in Indy and is a teenager. You have so many identities I am overwhelmed.
But I can't know anything before I have seen it with my own eyes. All I
want, and most peole want, is to only track down PAPA and it's abusive
cronies. It's not a funny job either. Since you live in Indy, could you
check out this adress for me?
6518 creek Bay Drive
Indianapolis
IN 6518
Johan Lif
> Yeah, that's why he did a PARODY of rap.
Is it a parody of conspiracy theories as well?
Johan
Jack P. Armstrong
I just have the one, sorry to disappoint you. Unless you're commenting about
all the pseudonyms and nicknames present on my web page...
>cronies. It's not a funny job either. Since you live in Indy, could you
>check out this adress for me?
>
>6518 creek Bay Drive
>Indianapolis
>IN 6518
If it was within 30 miles of me, I'd do it, but indianapolis is way far above
me. Plus, that zip-code only has four numbers, whereas it should have five (or
five dash and four more). Lemem check at the USPS website to see if that's a
real zipcode, missing one number somewhere. The fact that the ZIP and street
address are the same lead me to believe it may very well be fake...
Here's the info from USPS.com (notice it's .com and not .gov - the USPS
receives no gubment fundings. That's trivia of the day thingie.. ok):
CREEK BAY APT
6518 CREEK BAY DR
INDIANAPOLIS IN 46217-3032
Carrier Route: C003 County: MARION Delivery Point: 99Check Digit: 4
------------------------------------------------------------------------
CREEK BAY APT
6518 CREEK BAY DR APT (Range A - D)
INDIANAPOLIS IN 46217-3032
Carrier Route: C003 County: MARION Delivery Point: 99Check Digit: 4
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CREEK BAY APT
6518 CREEK BAY DR APT (Range E - H)
INDIANAPOLIS IN 46217-3033
Carrier Route: C003 County: MARION Delivery Point: 99Check Digit: 3
Jerry Hull
Armstrong) wrote:
>>BTW, in retrospect, "Nested Tuplets" would have been the best title
>>for the some-day-upcoming AFFZ CD, IMHO. Caps lock off.
>>
>
>I already used that as the prospective title for Lewis's book, you plagiarising
>bastard!
How about "Nesting Tuplets", you litigious bastard?
Jack P. Armstrong
>>>for the some-day-upcoming AFFZ CD, IMHO. Caps lock off.
>>>
>>
>>I already used that as the prospective title for Lewis's book, you
>plagiarising
>>bastard!
>
>How about "Nesting Tuplets", you litigious bastard?
>
Because somebody already used that as their .sig file, you proverbial bastard!
(i couldnt think of another adjective with a lot of syllables in it... you
polysyllabic bastard!)
Jeff Szarka
<dan_w...@hotmail.com> wrote:
:phil wrote:
:
:> 3 Zoot Allures - Some great songs, but for some reason the whole thing
:> doesn't hang together well.
:> I don't like Disco Boy, or Ms Pinky & I'm really bored of "Torture"
:> However the title track still
:> sounds great as does Black Napkins.
:
:I never really cared for Torture. The song is okay, I guess. But I find all
:the S&M screaming to be very distracting. I just find it hard to believe
:that so many people LOVE that song. I love Wind Up Working In A Gas Station,
:Black Napkins, Zoot Allures, and Disco Boy, but I think the rest of it is
:just okay-ish.
I think the problem with Zoot is almost every track was played better
live so why bother listening to the album?
:> 4 Zappa in NY - To my ears this is a lazy album, very flat sounding, & a
:> bit showbizzy (self parody I know) but all that Don Pardo stuff I can
:> live without, It could've been trimed to make a great single album.
:> although I love "Leather" so what the fuck am I babbling about?
:
:Yeah. One thing I really don't like is the guitar overdubs on the CD. I'd
:love to get it on vinyl some day. I think that I'm The Slime sounds great on
:it even though the solo is shit compared to the original version. The Purple
:Lagoon, I Promise Not To Come In Your Mouth, Pound For A Brown are great
:too. Thanks to all the YCDTOSA CD's, I can't stand Honey Don't You Want A
:Man Like Me anymore.
ZINY is one of my favorites, I think the flow of the album is very
interesting.
:> 6 Them or Us - Not enough quality matrial & too many throwaways
:> "Sharleena" again anybody?
:> ugly 80's production.
:
:As someone else in this thread said, there's some great stuff on there, and
:there's some real clunkers on there. I love The Closer You Are, Sinister
:Footwear, the instrumental part of Truck Driver Divorce, Stevie's Spanking,
:Baby Take Your Teeth Out, Marque-Son's Chicken, Planet Of My Dreams, Be In My
:Video, the "la-la-la-la la-la-la-la" part of Frogs With Dirty Little Lips,
:and Whippin' Post. The rest of it I don't like. I don't even like In
:France. I just don't like the way it sounds. The production just sounds so
:cold.
I thought I was going to hate Them Or Us but I like 90% of it. Yo
Honza is commonly hated by people it seems but it's one of my favorite
tracks on the album.
:> 7 Thing Fish - A real mood album, sometimes great, sometimes not so
:> great, too many old songs rehashed & it's that ugly 80's production
:> again. (Interesting concept though & some funny dialogue)
:
:Yeah, I usually skip the You Are What You Is stuff when I listen to it.
One of the biggest mistakes in FZ's career was overplaying the You Are
What You Is combo. I get *so* sick of hearing them.
:> 10 Meets the MOP - too much of a mish mash (some of the "Rock" stuff
:> isn't that inspired-"I don't even care" probably one of FZ's worst along
:> with "Tengo Na Minchia Tanta", however the Synclavier stuff is
:> fucking great, should've been released elsewhere "Jazz from Hell" maybe.
:
:I was very disappointed with this one at first, but I grew to like it over
:time. I don't really like I Don't Even Care or H.R. 2911. I like almost
:everything else though.
Strangely enough I think I don't even care is a highlight of the
album, along with one man, one vote and porn wars.
:> 11 Jazz from Hell - way too short, at the time FZ was quoting at having
:> 100's of synclavier recordings
:> stored & all we get is 28 mins not including "St Etienne" which should've
:> been on "Guitar"
:
:I like MTMOP better, but this one isn't bad. I don't really like the sound
:of the Synclavier on quite a few of these songs. I like the Yellow Shark
:version of G-Spot Tornado much much better. St. Etienne is my favorite.
:Please forgive me for liking the most accessible one most.
Night School, St. Etienne and While You Were Art 2 are amazing but the
others don't do that much for me. I do enjoy listening to the album
though even if it's not perfect.
:> 12 YCDTOSA In my humble opinion there's some great moments spread out
:> over the 12 discs, but
:> the editing together of different years & line ups has always spoiled my
:> enjoyment, I know 2 & 5
:> are more coherent, but you get the jist don't ya.
:
:Totally fucking agreed! I was pretty disappointed with a good portion of the
:series. So many '84 versions of stuff I've heard a goddamn billion times. I
:find Vol. 1, 2, and 6 pretty enjoyable though. Believe it or not, I like
:disc one of Vol. 5 more than disc two. I was bothered by the songs where
:Frank would mesh songs by two bands a decade apart in existence into one
:track.
I gotta say I would have agreed a few weeks ago but lately I have been
starting to really like the YCDTOSA disks. They could be a lot better
though.
:To be totally honest, I think every Zappa album has redeeming qualities.
:Just to piss some people off, here's a list of some FZ songs I have no desire
:to ever hear another version of:
:Dinah Moe-Humm
:Stink Foot
Stinkfoot can be a fun song, the MAJNH version is probably the best
I've heard.
:Cocaine Decisions (how much can you do with this song live that wasn't done
:on MFU?)
:In France
:Sharleena
The versions the HOT RATS band did were amazing but it never did much
for me in the 80's. The Phlo and Eddie versions are pretty damn good
to.
:Cosmik Debris
For some strange reason I have been listening to this one again.
:Illinois Enema Bandit
I like the Stage 6 version and the ZINY version but that's about it.
:The Torture Never Stops
The more I think about it the more I like this song... Heck, I even
like the 88 band version. My favorite is probably the 81 version (as
heard on As An Am)
:Honey Don't You Want A Man Like Me?
:Bobby Brown
:Dancin' Fool
:Bamboozled By Love
The "owner of a lonely heart" quote makes me like this song again.
:Easy Meat
I like the Stage 5 version but that's about it.
:He's So Gay (heard enough '84 tour versions)
:
:-Dan
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Jeff Szarka
<dan_w...@hotmail.com> wrote:
<snip>
:> The versions the HOT RATS band did were amazing but it never did much
:> for me in the 80's. The Phlo and Eddie versions are pretty damn good
:> to.
:
:like the version of Sharleena on Chunga's Revenge, but I don't like the live
:versions Flo and Eddie did. Flo and Eddie never got on my nerves until I started
:listening to boots. On a lot of shows they sound like two cats being strangled.
Well if you check out my page you can download a boot of the HOT RATS
band called For Sharleena.
I found I started to like Phlo and Eddie more after listening to more
boots. King Kong, Sofa, Wino Man, Sleeping In A Jar, etc are great but
I could do without some of the more tedious stuff.
:> :Cosmik Debris
:> For some strange reason I have been listening to this one again.
:
:I never could see why this one was such a favorite of so many people.
I can't either, if there was more variation or better guitar solos I
could understand it but I still manage to enjoy it for some odd
reason.
:> :Illinois Enema Bandit
:> I like the Stage 6 version and the ZINY version but that's about it.
:
:Same here.
:
:> :The Torture Never Stops
:>
:> The more I think about it the more I like this song... Heck, I even
:> like the 88 band version. My favorite is probably the 81 version (as
:> heard on As An Am)
:
:Sorry, I just don't like it too much. I do like the Thing-Fish version though.
:The Evil Prince section is cool.
I find one of the best things about Thing Fish is the amazing way FZ
worked the story line into existing songs.
:> :Bamboozled By Love
:>
:> The "owner of a lonely heart" quote makes me like this song again.
:
:Aw, damn. I totally forgot about that. That was pretty funny!
It made for a good solo too oddly enough.
:> :Easy Meat
:>
:> I like the Stage 5 version but that's about it.
:
:I liked the version on Tinsel Town Rebellion the first few times I heard it, but I
:just grew out of it.
Yea up until the addition of the classical section in the middle I
found the song really boring. It seems as though most of FZ's solos
were throw aways too.
Snee...@webtv.net
MarkyB
"Nik Lowenberg" <Lowenber...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
The "crap" was more the point of the post than the generic
> question up top that has been asked dozens of times. I was making a
point,
> about fan boys and musical appreciation.
Well if thats the case, why bother with the FZ question at all? Why not
make your point more clearly, instead of losing the plot completely
when we have difficulty making sense of your ramblings?
Sorry you were offended, but I
> don't see why.
No, it was more that it was an insult to the intelligence of anyone
that comes here on a regular basis. The fact that you thought you had
to talk down to us.
>What? You can't take a blow to your ego?
What an earth are you talking about?
See, newsgroups
> get all kinds of new people each day and somebody new might choose a
> generic question to respond too, such as mine, and some of them might
put
> down one of those example answers I wrote.
And if any new people had any sense, they would wait around a while,
read the group for a bit, search for any relevant old messages, realise
that this can be a fairly intelligent group, therefore they wouldn't
post stupid answers like your examples.
--
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Tal
instrumental version might kick ass)
Stick Together
Cocaine Decisions
and some early MOI stuff.
Peter de B. Harrington
favorites.
Pete
Jerry Hull <ZZZg...@stny.lrun.com> wrote in message
news:37b9db2e...@news-server.stny.rr.com...
> On Tue, 17 Aug 1999 13:20:09 -0400, DK de la Mar
> <dkil...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >everything you named is actually some of my favorite material--especially
> >Absolutely Free--one of my personal favorites from the original Mothers
of
> >Invention.
>
> I think some people can't get over the fact that in some songs, esp
> the beginning of side 2, the drum is giving a beat that the singer is
> completely ignoring.
>
Jack P. Armstrong
The MFU version ain't too hot, but the YCDTOSA4 version is much much better.
>Cocaine Decisions
The melody and harmonies in this song are brilliant!
Jon Naurin
>>Cocaine Decisions
>The melody and harmonies in this song are brilliant!
The bridge ("I don't wanna know...") is a masterpiece indeed. The rest I could
live without.
- Jon
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David Goodwin
stuco...@aol.comABBAZABA (Jack P. Armstrong) wrote:
>>Stick Together
>
>The MFU version ain't too hot, but the YCDTOSA4 version is much much better.
I don't like the MFU remix version of that song...but the two-fer CD
version is much, much better, IMO.
David
"Morrison even coined a new term: if Miller's works
were pornographic, then rock was pornophonic, or
even stereopornophonic, which was twice as bad."
-Linda Martin/Kerry Segrave
"Anti-Rock: An Opposition to Rock and Roll."
Tom Tuerff
joha...@swipnet.se (Johan Lif) wrote:
> David Goodwin <ksg...@mail.idt.net> wrote:
>
> > I don't like the MFU remix version of that song...but the two-fer CD
> > version is much, much better, IMO.
>
> Still, the lyrics are the same regardless of the version. For me, it's
> not the harmless (and charmless) fake reggae melody that's the worst
> offender, but the words. Not because unions and their behaviour are
> above criticism, but because this criticism is downright stupid: "If the
> union tells you it's time to strike / Tell the motherfucker to take a
> hike" - workers of the world, be thankful for such a thoughtful advice!
>
> Ike Willis' ranting towards the end of studio version sounds good,
> though - but it's a minor redeeming feature indeed.
>
> Now, let's hear it for some truly underrated material on Man From
> Utopia: "Luigi & The Wise Guys".
>
>
> Johan
Frank could really be one ignint sumbitch when he wanted to, but when you
consider all the crap he had to go through with the musicians' union (he
wrote about it enough--remember Rudy Wants to Buy Yez a Drink?), who could
blame him for the generalist statements he would make sometimes?
TT
Dan Watkins
> Now, let's hear it for some truly underrated material on Man From
> Utopia: "Luigi & The Wise Guys".
You're criticizing Stick Togetherness lyrics but defending Luigi & The Wise
Guys? Sheesh!
Dan Watkins
> You're criticizing Stick Togetherness lyrics but defending Luigi & The Wise
> Guys? Sheesh!
My spell-checker sucks. That's "Stick Together's lyrics".
Charles Ulrich
<dan_w...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Damn, the only stuff from the Hot Rats band I've heard is the Hot Rats
album. I
> like the version of Sharleena on Chunga's Revenge, but I don't like the live
> versions Flo and Eddie did.
This does not compute. There is stuff by the Hot Rats band on Chunga's
Revenge. (Please don't tell me you skipped straight to Sharleena and never
played the rest.) Transylvania Boogie and the title track are by the 1970
Hot Rats band with Aynsley Dunbar, and Twenty Small Cigars is by the 1969
Hot Rats band with John Guerin.
In any case, you must immediately buy The Lost Episodes and listen to the
original version of Sharleena. I did not particularly care for the other
officially-released versions this song, and I didn't see why FZ should
release another version. But when I heard it, I was blown away. It is so
good that it made me like all the other versions more than I used to.
--Charles
Johan Lif
> I don't like the MFU remix version of that song...but the two-fer CD
> version is much, much better, IMO.
Still, the lyrics are the same regardless of the version. For me, it's
not the harmless (and charmless) fake reggae melody that's the worst
offender, but the words. Not because unions and their behaviour are
above criticism, but because this criticism is downright stupid: "If the
union tells you it's time to strike / Tell the motherfucker to take a
hike" - workers of the world, be thankful for such a thoughtful advice!
Ike Willis' ranting towards the end of studio version sounds good,
though - but it's a minor redeeming feature indeed.
Now, let's hear it for some truly underrated material on Man From
Utopia: "Luigi & The Wise Guys".
Johan
Jack P. Armstrong
>>The melody and harmonies in this song are brilliant!
>
>The bridge ("I don't wanna know...") is a masterpiece indeed. The rest I
>could
>live without.
That's the part I was thinking about when I wrote that, but I love all of it,
especially Roy's vocals.
Gerard
just destroy the ambience of the instrument. The reggae riff got a little
tiresome. I found his use of Simmons drums boring as well. Nothing
innovative just another control element, preventing the bleeding of the drum
sounds to other mikes.
Nik Lowenberg <Lowenber...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:01bee79c$d1d27e20$76834c0c@nl-hello...
>
> Is there a song by Zappa you don't particularly care for? Some bit you
> don't exactly love or some piece of music that Zappa did you wouldn't
> really consider your favorite? Let me know. What's someting I don't like
> you ask? Well, I don't really like the One Size Fits All album save for
> the first song.
>
> P.S. The responses I really like the best and hope to get the most of goes
> something like this:
>
> "hay man, i like everything frankie did1"
>
> "i think all of his music is the best :^)"
>
> "Zappa never played a bad note in his entire career, my dear boy."
>
> "I think all his shit is fucking great man!!!"
>
> See, aren't you really a fan boy if you like everything a particular
artist
> did? Wouldn't that kind of devalue your evaluation skills if you think
> everything single thing somebody did? Contrary to popular belief, Zappa
> did play a bum note once in his career. Maybe you don't think so, but
> isn't it kind of foolish of you not to have musical taste? It must be
> pretty easy for you to go record shopping if you like everything. Just
> picking something up at random and knowing you're going to like it, that
> would make things a lot easier. Unfortunately, all the music I want to
> hear is either on an out of print album, on a bootleg tape, or was never
> taped at all.
>
> You see, for me, it calls your music appreciation skills into question if
> you say you absolutely love everything an artist did regardless. Perhaps
> it is different for some of you, maybe you do love everything Zappa ever
> did, I just find it hard to believe.
>
ZappaLVR
<mes...@home.com> writes:
>
>I didn't like Franks drum sound. He had the greatest players and he would
>just destroy the ambience of the instrument. The reggae riff got a little
>tiresome. I found his use of Simmons drums boring as well. Nothing
>innovative just another control element, preventing the bleeding of the drum
>sounds to other mikes.
>
This seems like an awfully blanket statement. Listen to the drum sound on
"Roxy & Elsewhere," or "Grand Wazoo" or "Hot Rats" the LP?? Great drum sounds.
OK the '84 syntho-drums were lame, but that was the texture of the times.
Zapp...@aol.com a.k.a. Chris Maxfield
Kill Ugly Sig Files!
Gerard
too muffled for my taste. Being a percussionist I prefer a more ambient
sound like some of the older stuff. I like a big sound, natural not that
gated Phil Collins crap that was so popular in the 80's
ZappaLVR <zapp...@aol.commonman> wrote in message
news:19990819005415...@ngol01.aol.com...
Johan Lif
> You're criticizing Stick Togetherness lyrics but defending Luigi & The Wise
> Guys? Sheesh!
Yes: "Luigi & The Wise Guys" is genuinely funny!
Johan
DK de la Mar
> In article <LnLu3.7517$3%1.1...@news.rdc1.az.home.com>, "Gerard"
> <mes...@home.com> writes:
>
> >
> >I didn't like Franks drum sound. He had the greatest players and he would
> >just destroy the ambience of the instrument. The reggae riff got a little
> >tiresome. I found his use of Simmons drums boring as well. Nothing
> >innovative just another control element, preventing the bleeding of the drum
> >sounds to other mikes.
> >
>
> This seems like an awfully blanket statement. Listen to the drum sound on
> "Roxy & Elsewhere," or "Grand Wazoo" or "Hot Rats" the LP?? Great drum sounds.
> OK the '84 syntho-drums were lame, but that was the texture of the times.
>
> Zapp...@aol.com a.k.a. Chris Maxfield
> Kill Ugly Sig Files!
a lot of purists believe that chad's syntho-drums sounded lame in 84 but i for one
happen to like the sound of them on humor in music. they add a little something to
the mix that's positive in my opinion, especially on "cleveland"
Jack P. Armstrong
Logeman's sound on the '81 "Love of my Life" from YCDTOSA#4 is a great sound.
ZappaLVR
stuco...@aol.comABBAZABA (Jack P. Armstrong) writes:
>
>>Roxy was about the last good sound he got. Bozzios and Vinnies were way
>
>Logeman's sound on the '81 "Love of my Life" from YCDTOSA#4 is a great sound.
>
The sound of Vinnie's drums on my LP set of SUNPYG is downright great!