Andy Devine??? Had a Thong Rind???
FthrRiley
It all happened in a poker game.
Sittin' there playin' a 6/12 hold'em game about a week ago, a guy, JD, was
in the game, and, if you close your eyes and listen to him, you'd swear he
was Uncle Johnny Cash himself. So, as usual, to rib him, I put on my best
Doug doing Mike Keneally doing Johnny Cash impersonation and send out a
rousing version of "Ring o' Fire." Anyway, after the laughs, I mention
the old Johnny Cash variety show that used to be on in the sixties and....
...just like lightning struck, somebody was mentioning Andy Devine, who
apparently also had some sort of TV gig. Anyway, as usual, I catch a big
hand and have to fade out of the conversation, never getting any details
about the great Andy Devine. Anybody have any insight? And what about
that thong rind, anyway? Better yet, what the fuck is a thong rind?
Father Riley really wants to know, that is, if there's anything good
inside of you...
Doug.
Paul Hinrichs
FthrRiley wrote:
> ...just like lightning struck, somebody was mentioning Andy Devine, who
> apparently also had some sort of TV gig.
Aces 'n' eights, man, he played "Jingles", the sidekick to
Wild Bill Hickock. Kellog's Sugar Corn Pops, Sugar Corn
Pops are Tops. (coupla outside in jokes thar)
Steve Wik
In article <19961221122...@ladder01.news.aol.com> fthr...@aol.com (FthrRiley) writes:
>From: fthr...@aol.com (FthrRiley)
>Subject: Andy Devine??? Had a Thong Rind???
>Date: 21 Dec 1996 12:22:08 GMT
> Anybody have any insight? And what about
>that thong rind, anyway? Better yet, what the fuck is a thong rind?
>Father Riley really wants to know, that is, if there's anything good
>inside of you...
>Doug.
Well, if you believe Nigey Lennon(and this is one of the reasons why I think
she's full of shit) the song "Andy" is somehow actually about her and the
"thong rhind" in question has something to do with the aftereffects of some
kind of sexual act she performed with a large shoe for Frank's amusement.
She says this in her book, but never explains how a song with lyrics that
speak of an ACTUAL PERSON (who is intrinsically NOT Nigey) could really
somehow be secretly about her. I suspect that if we knew more about Andy
Devine and what his role on the tv show was, the thong rhind thing would
become appearent.
BOSCO
LiverZoo
I believe he also hosted a kids show called "Andy's Gang"
FthrRiley
LiverZoo <Live...@now-online.com> mentions:
>I believe he also hosted a kids show called "Andy's Gang"
Then, I suppose he used a leather thong to whip his kids into submission?
Pretty dicey...
Elizabeth Noseworthy
Who was the guy who drove the jeep for Roy Rogers ... wasn't that Andy
Devine ?
EN
Paul Hinrichs
John Lincoln
>
>
>
Hey! what about Andy's Gang and Froggy the Gremlin?
Darkhop
OK NEVER MIND. I just found this NG & didn't realize how behind
the times I was here. Sorry to quote from a book almost nobody
liked, but as someone who's never had any other FZ enthusiasts
to speak to, can't help appreciating something that points out
(lots of) things I hadn't noticed.
Did any of you out there like this damn book? Just asking.
Cheers (or whatever....)
Darkhop
186,272 miles per second: not just
a good idea, it's the LAW.
boil...@aol.com
In article <19970104022...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
dar...@aol.com (Darkhop) writes (regarding Poodle Play):
>Did any of you out there like this damn book? Just asking.
>
>
Actually I do, even though I've been one of the more vocal critics of its
(in its original editions) myriad inaccuracies. But it's a very fun read.
I would humbly suggest, however (especially if you've got one of the
hardback editions), that you peruse "The Poodle Bites!" on the Keneally
page (URL below), which attempts to right a number of the book's
not-so-rights.
Darkhop
OK, try this:
"Outspoken S&M enthusiast Pat Califia has talked of the erotic
charge of leather's impermeability, Jacques lacan of the reason
for sexuality's stress on rims (mouth, eye, anus): dramas of the
inside and outside of the body
'Andy de Vine
Had a thong rind
It was sublime
But the wrong kind'
"In 'Andy' Zappa faults the fake by reference to externals, a view
of inner/outer that refuses the pious chicanery of transcendent
innerness." --from Ben Watson's book "The Negative Dialectics
of Poodle Play"
I'm only 3/4 of the way thru this book, still not sure what to agree
with (or if I should bother) but I bring it up in order to alert those
who are interested in Frank's 'conceptual continuity' throughout
his entire career. Even if you don't care for the author's interpre-
tations, it's fascinating stuff nonetheless.
Cheers
Biffyshrew
boil...@aol.com wrote:
>Actually I do, even though I've been one of the more vocal critics of its
>(in its original editions) myriad inaccuracies. But it's a very fun
read.
> I would humbly suggest, however (especially if you've got one of the
>hardback editions), that you peruse "The Poodle Bites!" on the Keneally
>page (URL below), which attempts to right a number of the book's
>not-so-rights.
One thing I don't understand is why Ben Watson incorporated many of Mike's
corrections, but stopped short of incorporating ALL of them. For example,
Watson's second edition still claims that Bob Harris from the Fillmore
1971 album rejoined the band in 1980, even though Mike points out that
these are two different people.
Your pal,
Biffy the Elephant Shrew @}-`--}----
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Seen in AOL message board: someone suggested Andy Divine referred
(somehow) to Todd Rundgren (?!?) and said how Andy = Barry Manilow's Mandy
minus the M. Or is that vice versa?!? I dunno, and I rarely (if ever)
read the AOL FZ message boards anymore anyway.
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Bill
danki...@aol.com wrote:
>
> Seen in AOL message board: someone suggested Andy Divine referred
> (somehow) to Todd Rundgren (?!?) and said how Andy = Barry Manilow's Mandy
> minus the M. Or is that vice versa?!? I dunno, and I rarely (if ever)
> read the AOL FZ message boards anymore anyway.
>
This is so bad, it's like something I would have thought up.
Steve Wik
In article <19970104021...@ladder01.news.aol.com> dar...@aol.com (Darkhop) writes:
>From: dar...@aol.com (Darkhop)
>Subject: Re: Andy Devine??? Had a Thong Rind???
>Date: 4 Jan 1997 02:14:13 GMT
>OK, try this:
>"In 'Andy' Zappa faults the fake by reference to externals, a view
>of inner/outer that refuses the pious chicanery of transcendent
>innerness." --from Ben Watson's book "The Negative Dialectics
>of Poodle Play"
>Cheers
>Darkhop
AAAAGGGHHH! I HATE THAT FUCKIN" BOOK!!!!!!
sorry. It reminds me of the Bible (I can't figure THAT one out either!)
BOSCO
Thomas Richards
> In article <19970104021...@ladder01.news.aol.com>
dar...@aol.com (Darkhop) references:
> > [...] Ben Watson's book "The Negative Dialectics
> >of Poodle Play"
And on Mon, 6 Jan 1997, Steve Wik screamed in apparent agony:
> AAAAGGGHHH! I HATE THAT FUCKIN" BOOK!!!!!!
> sorry. It reminds me of the Bible (I can't figure THAT one out either!)
That's easy to figure out. Just like "...Poodle Play," you take what you
find useful and toss the shit away. It's up to you to decide which tome
has more useful matter.
--
Tom Richards -- Fredericton Area Network
<aa...@fan.nb.ca> or <tom...@afm.org> "Yo Cats"
I like mixed metaphors - they are the icing on the camel's back.
Patrick David Neve
On Tue, 7 Jan 1997, Peter de B. Harrington wrote:
>
> I still think St Alfonso's is more an ode to IHOP for
> satisfying those late night munchies. I just find it
> humorous when Uncle Ben says that the pancakes are
> Zappa's symbols for faeces (he uses a strange spelling
> for feces) because they both are round and brown.
And if round things are boring then feces must be boring
Darkhop
>AAAAGGGHHH! I HATE THAT FUCKIN" BOOK!!!!!!
>sorry. It reminds me of the Bible (I can't figure THAT one out either!)
>
Not thrilled with being politically preached-to either, but as I said
somewhere else, 'Poodle Play' has a wealth of keen info for those
(like me) who haven't had the time to make all these king-hell
connections. Silly me, I just dug the tunes.
Patrick David Neve
Also illustrated in the circular motion of the dog-doo sno-cones. A most
boring motion indeed, hitherto unknown or not.
Peter de B. Harrington
Darkhop wrote:
>
> OK NEVER MIND. I just found this NG & didn't realize how behind
> the times I was here. Sorry to quote from a book almost nobody
> liked, but as someone who's never had any other FZ enthusiasts
> to speak to, can't help appreciating something that points out
> (lots of) things I hadn't noticed.
>
>
> Darkhop
> 186,272 miles per second: not just
> a good idea, it's the LAW.
I like to pick it up and read a couple of pages at randon,
and then go play the CD that is mention in the pages.
Watson does point out things that I never noticed before, however he
does get carried away and spoos forth some incredible pretentious banter
similar in style to Nigey's writing (maybe she got lessons from Ben).
I don't think I could take it from start to finish.
I still think St Alfonso's is more an ode to IHOP for
satisfying those late night munchies. I just find it
humorous when Uncle Ben says that the pancakes are
Zappa's symbols for faeces (he uses a strange spelling
for feces) because they both are round and brown.
Pete
Steve Wik
In article <19970107024...@ladder01.news.aol.com> dar...@aol.com (Darkhop) writes:
>From: dar...@aol.com (Darkhop)
>Subject: Re: Andy Devine??? Had a Thong Rind???
>>AAAAGGGHHH! I HATE THAT FUCKIN" BOOK!!!!!!
>>sorry. It reminds me of the Bible (I can't figure THAT one out either!)
>>
>>BOSCO
>Not thrilled with being politically preached-to either, but as I said
>somewhere else, 'Poodle Play' has a wealth of keen info for those
>(like me) who haven't had the time to make all these king-hell
>connections. Silly me, I just dug the tunes.
>Cheers
>Darkhop
>186,272 miles per second: not just
>a good idea, it's the LAW.
Yeah, the informational aspect of the book is okay, I guess. It's just the
flowery, overblown, verbose, "classical education" writing style that makes me
want to puke. I mean, I understand what the meanings of the words, it's just
when they're grouped the way Watson groups them they register in my brain as
gibberish. I mean, what the fuck does "In 'Andy' Zappa faults the fake by
reference to externals, a view of inner/outer that refuses the pious chicanery
of transcendent innerness." mean?!? I read something like that and think "you
just said a whole bunch of nuthin". It does make me laugh, though.
BOSCO
John Henley
Patrick David Neve <sp...@gladstone.uoregon.edu> wrote:
>
>And if round things are boring then feces must be boring
Except to children, pathologists, and those who still think
FZ ate 'em onstage.
JH
Miguel Fliguer
Patrick David Neve <sp...@gladstone.uoregon.edu> wrote:
->On Mon, 6 Jan 1997, Patrick David Neve wrote:
->> On Tue, 7 Jan 1997, Peter de B. Harrington wrote:
->> >
->> > I still think St Alfonso's is more an ode to IHOP for
->> > satisfying those late night munchies. I just find it
->> > humorous when Uncle Ben says that the pancakes are
->> > Zappa's symbols for faeces (he uses a strange spelling
->> > for feces) because they both are round and brown.
->>
->> And if round things are boring then feces must be boring
->Also illustrated in the circular motion of the dog-doo sno-cones. A
most
->boring motion indeed, hitherto unknown or not.
While we´re discussing this stimulating topic, let us not forget
about Laurel Fishman, Queen of the Round Feces (spherical, to be exact).
(Check out the Real FZ book, page 212)
danki...@aol.com
In article <5atuj4$q...@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>, John Henley
<jhe...@mail.utexas.edu> writes:
>Except to children, pathologists, and those who still think
>FZ ate 'em onstage.
Will that rumor never die, that FZ ate pancakes onstage?
Patrick David Neve
On Wed, 8 Jan 1997, Miguel Fliguer wrote:
> Patrick David Neve <sp...@gladstone.uoregon.edu> wrote:
>=20
> ->On Mon, 6 Jan 1997, Patrick David Neve wrote:
>=20
> ->> On Tue, 7 Jan 1997, Peter de B. Harrington wrote:
> ->> >=20
> ->> > I still think St Alfonso's is more an ode to IHOP for
> ->> > satisfying those late night munchies. I just find it
> ->> > humorous when Uncle Ben says that the pancakes are
> ->> > Zappa's symbols for faeces (he uses a strange spelling
> ->> > for feces) because they both are round and brown.
> ->>=20
> ->> And if round things are boring then feces must be boring
>=20
> ->Also illustrated in the circular motion of the dog-doo sno-cones. A
> most boring motion indeed, hitherto unknown or not.
>=20
> While we=B4re discussing this stimulating topic, let us not forget=20
> about Laurel Fishman, Queen of the Round Feces (spherical, to be exact).
> (Check out the Real FZ book, page 212)
Right! She employed the same hitherto unknown circular motion in order to=
=20
form those balls. She must have been so bored with it that she=20
donated it to the band. =20
Peter de B. Harrington
Miguel Fliguer wrote:
>
> Patrick David Neve <sp...@gladstone.uoregon.edu> wrote:
>
> ->On Mon, 6 Jan 1997, Patrick David Neve wrote:
>
> ->> On Tue, 7 Jan 1997, Peter de B. Harrington wrote:
> ->> >
> ->> > satisfying those late night munchies. I just find it
> ->> > humorous when Uncle Ben says that the pancakes are
> ->> > Zappa's symbols for faeces (he uses a strange spelling
> ->> > for feces) because they both are round and brown.
> ->>
>
> most
>
> While we´re discussing this stimulating topic, let us not forget
> about Laurel Fishman, Queen of the Round Feces (spherical, to be exact).
> (Check out the Real FZ book, page 212)
Replete with fingerprints.
Gary Worsham
I saw THE Andy Devine in John Huston's "The Red Badge of Courage" based
on the novel of the same name by Stephen Crane.
He plays the part of the "Cheerful Soldier".
Now I knows what him looks like.
Gary
}8^{*
John Henley
Gary,
was your childhood deprived of the wonders of
"Wild Bill Hickok" reruns, with Guy Madison as
Bill and Andy Devine as "Jingles"?
For a while there, I couldn't get away from
the guy. Then when I got older and started collecting
old radio shows, I discovered that Andy was a regular
on The Jack Benny Show between 1936 and 1940, on
which he was a real audience favorite.
"Hey, Wild Bill, wait fer me!!"
John Henley
Phil Freshour
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The legendary John Henley <jhe...@mail.utexas.edu> wrote:
: Gary Worsham <gswo...@earthlink.net> wrote:
: >I saw THE Andy Devine in John Huston's "The Red Badge of Courage" based
: >on the novel of the same name by Stephen Crane.
: Gary,
: was your childhood deprived of the wonders of
: "Wild Bill Hickok" reruns, with Guy Madison as
: Bill and Andy Devine as "Jingles"?
When I was a wee lad growing up (around the time the Mothers were
recording "Freak Out"), I had a cheesy little phonograph player on which
I played cheesy little kiddie-records. Though I didn't know who he was at
the time, Andy Divine actually spun on my machine. Nobody could do
the "Three Little Pigs" like Andy...
Regards,
Phil
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fw...@en.com
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Bill Lantz
"Peter de B. Harrington" <har...@helios.phy.ohiou.edu> wrote:
>I still think St Alfonso's is more an ode to IHOP for
>satisfying those late night munchies. I just find it
>humorous when Uncle Ben says that the pancakes are
>Zappa's symbols for faeces (he uses a strange spelling
>for feces) because they both are round and brown.
Pretty funny. He ignores that they were so light and fluffy white as
well as being light and fluffy brown. Wonder what Ben would say about
white pancakes. Oh, excuse me, I see he says that Father Oblivion is
inviting everyone to eat his come (sic).
Bill
John V. Scialli
la...@primenet.com (Bill Lantz) wrote:
>"Peter de B. Harrington" <har...@helios.phy.ohiou.edu> wrote:
>
>>I still think St Alfonso's is more an ode to IHOP for
>>satisfying those late night munchies. I just find it
>>humorous when Uncle Ben says that the pancakes are
>>Zappa's symbols for faeces (he uses a strange spelling
>>for feces) because they both are round and brown.
>
>Pretty funny. He ignores that they were so light and fluffy white as
>well as being light and fluffy brown. Wonder what Ben would say about
>white pancakes.
steatorrhea
"Dean Martin: A symbol of assurance and stability in these
troubled times. A man who does with his voice what
Eric Clapton and Jimi Hendrix do with their
guitars!"
Matt Dutton
> >"Peter de B. Harrington" <har...@helios.phy.ohiou.edu> wrote:
> >>I just find it
> >>humorous when Uncle Ben says that the pancakes are
> >>Zappa's symbols for faeces (he uses a strange spelling
> >>for feces) because they both are round and brown.
Faeces is the English spelling, whereas feces I assume from yr. address is
American English cf: thru & through
As in:
...he is notorious for once having eaten faeces on stage...
I have always harboured a sneaking suspicion that the song is about exactly
what it says:
"Dreamed I was an eskimo..."
^^^^^^^^^^^
The jumps between scenes, for example, the fur trapper goes off to St.
Alphonso's Pancake Breakfast, and then St. Alphonso himself becomes the
central character...seem very dreamlike in their logic. Also the themes.
"Where I stole the margarine"
MattD.
danki...@aol.com
In article <01bc0343$358c2380$40e0...@mattd.central.co.nz>, "Matt Dutton"
<ma...@central.co.nz> writes:
>"Dreamed I was an eskimo..."
> ^^^^^^^^^^^
But he never wakes up during the piece. Not that it matters. =}
>The jumps between scenes, for example, the fur trapper goes off to St.
>Alphonso's Pancake Breakfast, and then St. Alphonso himself becomes the
>central character...seem very dreamlike in their logic. Also the themes.
And the Fur Trapper who was Strictly From Commercial is never seen again.
>"Where I stole the margarine"
So as to Keep It Greasy? ;)
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