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Mike Espinoza

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May 22, 2009, 11:47:19 AM5/22/09
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As you may or may not know, Beat The Boots III has been released in
MP3 format on Amazon. (I think Napster may have it, as well.)

Using various methods, I believe that I have identified all but one of
the tracks. I could not identify the source for "Watts" on Disc
Five. I originally thought it was from 1974 because of George's
unmistakable piano, but I don't hear Ruth and the drums could be
either Terry or Chester, so it's either from '74 or '75.

I have included my findings below. Feel free to error check it.

Disc One

1. Vpro Intro - TV: VPRO-TV February 1971, appeared on Apocrypha
(part of "Lost In A Whirlpool")
2. Status Back Baby - Studio track, 1963, appeared on Apocrypha
3. Ned The Mumbler - Studio track, 1963, appeared on Apocrypha
4. Toads Of The Short Forest - Studio track, 1963, appeared on
Apocrypha (listed at "Ned Has A Brainstorm")
5. In Memorium, Hieronymus Bosch - TV: The Bitter End, 1967, appeared
on Apocrypha
6. Oh, In The Sky - TV: The Bitter End, 1967, appeared on Apocrypha
7. Directly From My Heart To You - Live at the Olympic Auditorium, Los
Angeles, 07-Mar-1970, appeared on Apocrypha
8. Twinkle Tits - Live at the Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, 07-
Mar-1970, appeared on Apocrypha
9. T'Mershi Duween - Live at the War Memorial Gym, Vancouver, 01-
Oct-1975, appeared on Apocrypha
10. Black Napkins - TV: Mike Douglas Show 1976, appeared on Apocrypha
11. Dong Work For Yuda - Live, February 1977, appeared on Apocrypha
12. Mo's Vacation - Live in Poughkeepsie 21-Sep-1978, appeared on
Apocrypha
13. The Black Page #2 - Live in Poughkeepsie 21-Sep-1978, appeared on
Apocrypha
14. Suicide Chump - Live at Stonybrook, New York, 15-Oct-1978,
appeared on Apocrypha

Disc Two
Song Title
1. Heavy Duty Judy - Live in Pittsburgh 13-Nov-1980, second show.,
appeared on Apocrypha
2. Pick Me, I'm Clean - Studio rehearsal with drum machine, appeared
on Apocrypha
3. Teen-Age Wind - Studio rehearsal with drum machine, appeared on
Apocrypha
4. Harder Than Yer Husband - Studio rehearsal with drum machine,
appeared on Apocrypha
5. Bamboozled By Love - Studio rehearsal with drum machine, appeared
on Apocrypha
6. Falling In Love Is a Stupid Habit - Demo, appeared on Apocrypha
7. This Is My Story - Live at The Ritz in New York, 17-Nov-1981,
appeared on Apocrypha
8. Whipping Post - Live at The Ritz in New York, 17-Nov-1981, appeared
on Apocrypha
9. Clownz On Velvet - Live at The Ritz in New York, 17-Nov-1981 (w/ Al
DiMeola), appeared on Apocrypha
10. In France - Live in Hollywood 22-Jul-1984 (w/Johnny Guitar Watson
and George Duke), appeared on Apocrypha
11. Broken Hearts Are For Assholes - Live in Santa Monica, 11-
Dec-1981, early show. , appeared on Apocrypha
12. I Am The Walrus - Live in Springfield, 13-Mar-1988., appeared on
Apocrypha
13. America The Beautiful - Live in Burlington 12-Mar-1988, appeared
on Apocrypha
14. America Drinks & Goes Home - Live 1969, appeared on Randomonium
15. Studebacher Hoch (from Billy The Mountain) - Live 1971, appeared
on Randomonium and Apocrypha
16. Don't Fuck Around (from Billy The Mountain) - Live 1971, appeared
on Randomonium
17. Too On The Town - Impromptu TV Theme, appeared on Randomonium
18. Truck Driver Divorce - Studio outtake, appeared on Randomonium

Disc Three
Song Title
1. The World's Greatest Sinner - Excerpts from the film, 1961,
appeared on Apocrypha
2. Spontaneous Minimalist Composition - "A Zappa Affair" concert at
the Zellerbach Auditorium at UC Berkeley, 16-Jun-1984, played by the
Berkeley Symphony Orchestra, conducted by Kent Nagano, appeared on
Apocrypha
3. Sinister Footwear - "A Zappa Affair" concert at the Zellerbach
Auditorium at UC Berkeley, 16-Jun-1984, played by the Berkeley
Symphony Orchestra, conducted by Kent Nagano, appeared on Apocrypha
4. The Black Page - 1986 synclavier version , appeared on Apocrypha
5. Pedro's Dowry - "A Zappa Affair" concert at the Zellerbach
Auditorium at UC Berkeley, 16-Jun-1984, played by the Berkeley
Symphony Orchestra, conducted by Kent Nagano, appeared on Return of
the Son of Serious Music
6. None Of The Above - Performed by the Kronos Quartet, Schoenberg
Hall, UCLA 4-19-85, appeared on Randomonium

Disc Four
Song Title
1. The Eric Dolphy Memorial Barbeque - Live in Appleton 1969, appeared
on Pigs And Repugnant
2. Hungry Freaks, Daddy - Live in Appleton 1969, appeared on Pigs And
Repugnant
3. The Wild Man Fischer Story - Live at Fullerton College, 08-
Nov-1968, appeared on Pigs And Repugnant
4. I'm The Meany - Live at Fullerton College, 08-Nov-1968, appeared on
Pigs And Repugnant
5. Bacon Fat - Live at Fullerton College, 08-Nov-1968, appeared on
Pigs And Repugnant
6. King Kong - Live at Fullerton College, 08-Nov-1968, appeared on
Pigs And Repugnant

Disc Five
Song Title
1. The Return Of The Hunchback Duke - Live in Appleton 1969, appeared
on Son Of Pigs And Repugnant
2. Help, I'm A Rock - Live in Appleton 1969, appeared on Son Of Pigs
And Repugnant
3. What It Was - Live in Appleton 1969, appeared on Son Of Pigs And
Repugnant (listed as "Return of the Son of Monster Magnet")
4. Medley: Son Of Mr. Green Genes/King Kong/Chunga's Revenge - Live in
Arlington, Texas, 11-Mar-1973 , appeared on Zut Alors
5. Watts - source unknown
6. Penguin In Bondage - Live in December 1973 , appeared on The Rondo
Hatton Band
7. T'Mershi Duween - Live in December 1973 , appeared on The Rondo
Hatton Band
8. The Dog Breath Variations - Live in December 1973 , appeared on The
Rondo Hatton Band
9. Uncle Meat - Live in December 1973 , appeared on The Rondo Hatton
Band
10. Rondo Hattom On Guitar - Capitol Theater in Passaic 08-Nov-1974,
appeared on The Rondo Hatton Band (listed as "Smell My Beard")

Disc Six
Song Title
1. Ride My Face To Chicago - Live 1984, appeared on Big Mother Is
Watching You
2. I'm The Slime - Live 1984, appeared on Big Mother Is Watching You
3. Be In My Video - Live 1984, appeared on Big Mother Is Watching You
4. He's So Gay - Live 1984, appeared on Big Mother Is Watching You
5. Cocksucker's Ball - Live 1984, appeared on Big Mother Is Watching
You
6. Wplj - Live 1984, appeared on Big Mother Is Watching You
7. What's New In Baltimore? - Live 1984, appeared on Big Mother Is
Watching You
8. Hot Plate Heaven At The Green Hotel - Live 1984, appeared on Big
Mother Is Watching You
9. Carol You Fool - Live 1984, appeared on Big Mother Is Watching You
10. Chana In The Bushwap - Live 1984, appeared on Big Mother Is
Watching You
11. Kreega Bundola - Live 1984, appeared on Big Mother Is Watching You
12. I'm The Slime - Saturday Night Live 1976, appeared on Chalk Pie
(bootleg, not unreleased LP)
13. The Purple Lagoon - Saturday Night Live 1976, appeared on Chalk
Pie (bootleg, not unreleased LP) and Apocrypha
14. Peaches En Regalia - Saturday Night Live 1976, appeared on Chalk
Pie (bootleg, not unreleased LP)
15. Dancin' Fool - Saturday Night Live 1978, appeared on Chalk Pie
(bootleg, not unreleased LP) and Lectures
16. The Meek Shall Inherit Nothing - Saturday Night Live 1978,
appeared on Chalk Pie (bootleg, not unreleased LP)
17. St. Alphonzo's Pancake Breakfast - Saturday Night Live 1978,
appeared on Chalk Pie (bootleg, not unreleased LP) and Apocrypha

pbuzb...@yahoo.com

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May 22, 2009, 2:44:47 PM5/22/09
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On May 22, 10:47 am, Mike Espinoza <espin...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Using various methods, I believe that I have identified all but one of
> the tracks.  I could not identify the source for "Watts" on Disc
> Five.  I originally thought it was from 1974 because of George's
> unmistakable piano, but I don't hear Ruth and the drums could be
> either Terry or Chester, so it's either from '74 or '75.

I can't access the sample at the moment, but I'm going to guess from
the title, length and description that this is the "Trouble Every Day"
solo from Goteborg, 9/25/74, which FZ apparently considered releasing.

> 6. Falling In Love Is a Stupid Habit - Demo, appeared on Apocrypha

Interesting choice to release given that FZ denied knowledge of this
song.

> 9. Clownz On Velvet - Live at The Ritz in New York, 17-Nov-1981 (w/ Al
> DiMeola), appeared on Apocrypha

Interesting choice to release given that Al DiMeola wouldn't authorize
FZ to release his solo (although, according to a post on zappa.com, he
has said recently that he's forgotten why he made that decision).

> 17. Too On The Town - Impromptu TV Theme, appeared on Randomonium

Should be "Two On The Town" (although I suppose FZ might have
appreciated the wordplay of "too on the town").

> 18. Truck Driver Divorce - Studio outtake, appeared on Randomonium

I think this is actually a live recording without the studio-
rerecorded vocal and drums heard on Them Or Us.

Pat Buzby
Chicago, IL

Mike Espinoza

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May 22, 2009, 3:40:39 PM5/22/09
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On May 22, 1:44 pm, pbuzby2...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On May 22, 10:47 am, Mike Espinoza <espin...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Using various methods, I believe that I have identified all but one of
> > the tracks.  I could not identify the source for "Watts" on Disc
> > Five.  I originally thought it was from 1974 because of George's
> > unmistakable piano, but I don't hear Ruth and the drums could be
> > either Terry or Chester, so it's either from '74 or '75.
>
> I can't access the sample at the moment, but I'm going to guess from
> the title, length and description that this is the "Trouble Every Day"
> solo from Goteborg, 9/25/74, which FZ apparently considered releasing.

This is possible. It is a solo (and a damn good one, I might add).
The sound quality is spectacular for a boot, so it would not be
surprising if it was one that he considered releasing.

> > 6. Falling In Love Is a Stupid Habit - Demo, appeared on Apocrypha
>
> Interesting choice to release given that FZ denied knowledge of this
> song.

Does anybody really believe that Joe Travers does not have a copy of
Apocrypha?


> > 17. Too On The Town - Impromptu TV Theme, appeared on Randomonium
>
> Should be "Two On The Town" (although I suppose FZ might have
> appreciated the wordplay of "too on the town").

Yeah. I don't know what's with the misspellings. I don't know that
the actual boots mispelled that track name. Note that "Rondo Hattom
on Guitar" is also a misspelling.

--
Mike E.

pbuzb...@yahoo.com

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May 22, 2009, 4:04:33 PM5/22/09
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On May 22, 1:44 pm, pbuzby2...@yahoo.com wrote:

> I can't access the sample at the moment, but I'm going to guess from
> the title, length and description that this is the "Trouble Every Day"
> solo from Goteborg, 9/25/74, which FZ apparently considered releasing.

I just heard the sample and yes, that's what "Watts" is.

Pat Buzby
Chicago, IL

Milhouse G

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May 22, 2009, 4:23:49 PM5/22/09
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"Twinkle Tits" on the Zut Alors lp in the 10-record Mystery Box bootleg
is the same solo.

--
Milhouse

Mike Espinoza

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May 22, 2009, 5:06:55 PM5/22/09
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On May 22, 3:23 pm, Milhouse G <milhouse_on_a_st...@derekmarvelli.org>
wrote:

Do you mean "Munchkin Tits"?

Mike E.

Milhouse G

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May 22, 2009, 5:12:43 PM5/22/09
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Derr on my part. Yeah, that's what I meant.

--
Milhouse

Mike Espinoza

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May 22, 2009, 9:06:05 PM5/22/09
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Yep, that's the one. Just checked out my Zut Alors-Side 2 mp3. Oh,
well. At least now I have it as a separate file. (I bought "Watts"
and "Kreega Bundola", the latter of which I really didn't have.)
At least it has good sound.
--
Mike E.

Milhouse G

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May 22, 2009, 10:34:54 PM5/22/09
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Also, at least they're not trying to charge $19 for each "album"...

Speaking of the Zut Alors boot, I'd still like to know where or what
that series of chords before "Ship Ahoy" comes from. I posted an mp3 of
it a couple years ago, but no one seemed to know...

--
Milhouse

pbuzb...@yahoo.com

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May 22, 2009, 11:10:07 PM5/22/09
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On May 22, 9:34 pm, Milhouse G <milhouse_on_a_st...@derekmarvelli.org>
wrote:

> Speaking of the Zut Alors boot, I'd still like to know where or what


> that series of chords before "Ship Ahoy" comes from. I posted an mp3 of
> it a couple years ago, but no one seemed to know...

Sounds like one of the strange FZ improvs that sometimes occured
around the "Chunga's"/"Zoot" segment of a fall 75/winter 76 show, but
I don't think anyone's found it on a concert tape yet.

Pat Buzby
Chicago, IL

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