Etymology of Hi-ho Silver, Away?
Harald Wiester
As far as I know, the famous Secret Word "Hi-ho Silver" "Away!" was Ike
Willis´ spontaneous idea. But where did it originate in the american
culture? Where was the concept of "The lone Ranger" firt mentioned? As a
German, I don´t know if it was from a certain book, film, show.
I´m askin that because "hi-ho silver" was on TV yesterday. In a James
Stewart film from 1941. A funny guy sat on a rodeo-machine and some woman
made fun of him saying "hi-ho silver, away!"
Jerry Hull
On 11 Jun 98 12:28:48 GMT, "Harald Wiester"
<harald....@uni-konstanz.de> wrote:
"The Lone Ranger" was a hit radio show before the advent of TV, & then
a hit TV show. The hero was a former Texas Ranger, who survived death
under circumstances I can hardly remember, & reentered frontier
society wearing a mask & doing good with his handy Indian buddy,
Tonto, who always called him "Kemo Sabe" (spelling probably wrong),
played on television by Jay Silverheels (he of the litter & tear in a
later environmental TV ad). LR's (who played him?) horse was named
Silver, upon whom (in the TV version) he would do a wheelie whilst the
orchestra played "The William Tell Overture." Taking off to rescue
the poor abused frontier folk, LR would shout, "Hiho, Silver, away," &
later those folks would muse, "Who was that masked man?" In
revisionist accounts, Tonto was won't to say, as attacking Indians
drew closer to the embattled duo, "What do you mean 'we', white man?"
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ZZZg...@stny.lrun.com (Jerry Hull) wrote:
...lots of good stuff snipped....
On reading that synopsys I got strong resonances from Zane Grey's
classic 'Riders of the Purple Sage'.
I wonder if the Lone Ranger was an intentional rip-off? ..probably
was, since Zane Grey seems to have started the 'Western' novel thing.
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Paul Hinrichs
ZZZg...@stny.lrun.com (Jerry Hull) wrote:
>"The Lone Ranger" was a hit radio show before the advent of TV, & then
>a hit TV show. The hero was a former Texas Ranger, who survived death
>under circumstances I can hardly remember, & reentered frontier
>society wearing a mask & doing good with his handy Indian buddy,
>Tonto, who always called him "Kemo Sabe" (spelling probably wrong),
>played on television by Jay Silverheels (he of the litter & tear in a
>later environmental TV ad).
I think that was the guy from "One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest", but
Indians all look alike. Hey, Jay Silverheels _was_ in Key Largo
though.
FWIW, every lounge combo of the early 60s was doing the "Hi-Ho Silver"
routine. Even one band I was in, 1964, dit it and we musta stolen it
because we never did anything original.
F.Z. Lovecraft
Jerry Hull wrote in message <357fddc5.1164011@news-server>...
>On 11 Jun 98 12:28:48 GMT, "Harald Wiester"
><harald....@uni-konstanz.de> wrote:
>
>>As far as I know, the famous Secret Word "Hi-ho Silver" "Away!" was Ike
>>Willis´ spontaneous idea. But where did it originate in the american
>>culture? Where was the concept of "The lone Ranger" firt mentioned? As a
>>German, I don´t know if it was from a certain book, film, show.
>>
>>I´m askin that because "hi-ho silver" was on TV yesterday. In a James
>>Stewart film from 1941. A funny guy sat on a rodeo-machine and some woman
>>made fun of him saying "hi-ho silver, away!"
LR's (who played him?)
Go to http://www.tickled-ink.com/largent/ranger/actors.html It lists all the
actors who ever played the Lone ranger and Tonto.
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>>As far as I know, the famous Secret Word "Hi-ho Silver" "Away!"
>>was Ike Willis´ spontaneous idea.
"Jewish Princess" uttered by Bozzio during the "back to the top"
chaos.
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On Thu, 11 Jun 1998, Jerry Hull wrote:
> On 11 Jun 98 12:28:48 GMT, "Harald Wiester"
> <harald....@uni-konstanz.de> wrote:
>
> >As far as I know, the famous Secret Word "Hi-ho Silver" "Away!" was Ike
> >Willis´ spontaneous idea. But where did it originate in the american
> >culture? Where was the concept of "The lone Ranger" firt mentioned? As a
> >German, I don´t know if it was from a certain book, film, show.
> >
> >I´m askin that because "hi-ho silver" was on TV yesterday. In a James
> >Stewart film from 1941. A funny guy sat on a rodeo-machine and some woman
> >made fun of him saying "hi-ho silver, away!"
>
> "The Lone Ranger" was a hit radio show before the advent of TV, & then
> a hit TV show.
Hm.. wasn't it a theater serial before it was on TV? We're talkin' 1938
here, I think that's when kids used to flock to the theaters every
saturday afternoon to see continuing installments of "cliffhangers", such
as Flash Gordon.
And in response to the guess that it was ripped off from Zane Grey, my
guess would be that if it was ripped off it would have been from
"The Cyclone Ranger", a western from 1935.
Hoodoo
On Thu, 11 Jun 1998 15:19:16 GMT, paul...@mindspring.com (Paul
Hinrichs) wrote:
[snip-snap-snat-snatch]
>>played on television by Jay Silverheels (he of the litter & tear in a
>>later environmental TV ad).
>
>I think that was the guy from "One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest", but
>Indians all look alike. Hey, Jay Silverheels _was_ in Key Largo
>though.
Bzzzt, also wrong answer. the Native American in Cuckoo's was Will
Sampson (sp??) I believe.
Indians don't all look alike, negroes do.
In Key Largo Silverheels played the part of a Seminole (not to be
confused with whatever orifice a male of our species chooses to spew
his spunk into).
I am not an "Indian" myself but there's a few times I wish I were not
white.
========
Hoodoo
laissez le bon temps roule'
Hoodoo
On Thu, 11 Jun 1998 13:48:41 GMT, ZZZg...@stny.lrun.com (Jerry Hull)
wrote:
>played on television by Jay Silverheels (he of the litter & tear in a
>later environmental TV ad). LR's (who played him?) horse was named
Bzzzzt, wrong answer. The Indian (Native American to be politically
correct) in the now infamous and cherished Keep America Beautiful (by
not littering) advertising campaign was not Jay Silverheels. It was
Iron Eyes Cody.
And one of the Lone Ranger's trademarks was that he used bullets cast
of silver (the precious metal, not his horse's dung or something).
Dave Lane
If Kemosabe, the Seven Dwarfs, the animated Clark Kent's
alter-ego, Marilyn McCoo, Billy Davis, Jr. and Silver were
all commuting to work together in a balloon they'd say:
"Hi-ho, hi-ho Silver, Up, up and away, it's off to work
we go, in my beautiful balloon".
--Dave
Paul Hinrichs
hoo...@newnorth.net (Hoodoo) wrote:
>On Thu, 11 Jun 1998 15:19:16 GMT, paul...@mindspring.com (Paul
>Hinrichs) wrote:
>[snip-snap-snat-snatch]
>>>played on television by Jay Silverheels (he of the litter & tear in a
>>>later environmental TV ad).
>>
>>I think that was the guy from "One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest", but
>>Indians all look alike. Hey, Jay Silverheels _was_ in Key Largo
>>though.
>Bzzzt, also wrong answer. the Native American in Cuckoo's was Will
>Sampson (sp??) I believe.
That's who it was, Will Sampson did the litter Indian. Thanks
Fast Frank :o{-
Thank you again, Mr. Hoodoo, sir. Ya beat me to it!
Fast "You Go To Hell, Kemosabe!*" Frank :o{-
*Very funny old Bill Cosby bit...
Hoodoo wrote:
>
> On Thu, 11 Jun 1998 13:48:41 GMT, ZZZg...@stny.lrun.com (Jerry Hull)
> wrote:
>
> >played on television by Jay Silverheels (he of the litter & tear in a
Hoodoo
On Thu, 11 Jun 1998 18:20:31 GMT, paul...@mindspring.com (Paul
Hinrichs) wrote:
[snippety-doo-da]
>>Bzzzt, also wrong answer. the Native American in Cuckoo's was Will
>>Sampson (sp??) I believe.
>
>That's who it was, Will Sampson did the litter Indian. Thanks
No, Will Sampson was not one of the "ten litter Indians". Will Sampson
was the Indian in Cukoo's Nest that played mute (not muted horn
either). He also played the Indian named Worm in a certain Charles
Bronson movie of which the name I cannot recall right now. Iron Eyes
Cody was the one that portrayed the dismayed Indian in the Keep
America Beautiful advertisements.
Hoodoo
On Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:42:24 -0700, Fast Frank :o{-
<fast...@ipnOsPAM.com> wrote:
>Thank you again, Mr. Hoodoo, sir. Ya beat me to it!
You are most welcome.
>Fast "You Go To Hell, Kemosabe!*" Frank :o{-
>
>*Very funny old Bill Cosby bit...
Why is there air? Wonderfulness.
Jerry Hull
On Thu, 11 Jun 1998 16:26:45 GMT, hoo...@newnorth.net (Hoodoo) wrote:
>On Thu, 11 Jun 1998 13:48:41 GMT, ZZZg...@stny.lrun.com (Jerry Hull)
>wrote:
>
>>played on television by Jay Silverheels (he of the litter & tear in a
>>later environmental TV ad). LR's (who played him?) horse was named
>
>Bzzzzt, wrong answer. The Indian (Native American to be politically
>correct) in the now infamous and cherished Keep America Beautiful (by
>not littering) advertising campaign was not Jay Silverheels. It was
>Iron Eyes Cody.
How do I react to someone who robs me of a cherished misperception?
Attack his manhood, hoy hoy hoy! Nah, ferget it.
>And one of the Lone Ranger's trademarks was that he used bullets cast
>of silver (the precious metal, not his horse's dung or something).
I now also misremember (?) that the TV actor who played the Lone
Ranger was Clayton Moore. & those silver bullets come from a Fabulous
Lost Mine that the LR & Tonto use as their secrete hideout. As kids
we used to creep down the stairs to listen to the radio program until
our parents discovered & flushed us back to bed. Wow, I be old.
Fast Frank :o{-
Hoodoo wrote:
>
> No, Will Sampson was not one of the "ten litter Indians". Will Sampson
> was the Indian in Cukoo's Nest that played mute (not muted horn
> either). He also played the Indian named Worm in a certain Charles
> Bronson movie of which the name I cannot recall right now. Iron Eyes
> Cody was the one that portrayed the dismayed Indian in the Keep
> America Beautiful advertisements.
>
The movie of which you speak was "White Buffalo", came out around '78 or
so...
Fast "Heaps Of Buffalo*" Frank :o{-
*Was a real person.
Biffyshrew
Hoodoo wrote:
>Indians don't all look alike, negroes do.
>
>I am not an "Indian" myself but there's a few times I wish I were not
>white.
I'm part Indian and I don't look alike at all.
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Hoodoo
On Thu, 11 Jun 1998 21:46:03 GMT, ZZZg...@stny.lrun.com (Jerry Hull)
wrote:
>How do I react to someone who robs me of a cherished misperception?
>Attack his manhood, hoy hoy hoy! Nah, ferget it.
Act however you wish, and, an attack here wouldn't be the first I've
received. Sometimes the malice rears its ugly head. I see no
disfigurement hiding in your tone. :)
>our parents discovered & flushed us back to bed. Wow, I be old.
Not necessarily old. The program is still on television and has been
for years. Just lie about your age.
========
Hoodoo
laissez le bon temps rouler!
Hoodoo
On 12 Jun 1998 01:28:05 GMT, biffy...@aol.com (Biffyshrew) wrote:
>I'm part Indian and I don't look alike at all.
Have you and your relatives ever been swindled
by jugglers? I hear they use Indian clubs.
Sam and/or Karen Rouse
So, did he really say "Hi ho Silver," or was it "Hi yo Silver"? I always
thought it was the latter, & the former sounds like it would have been
written by Vonnegut (but maybe he did and it found its way into a
chrono-synclastic infundibulum & landed on the radio players' scripts).
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In article <199806120128...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
Shit, you can't tell Ike from Ray??????
You joking, son?
>"Why not throw a hedgehog at Uncle Sam's pants?"--Nikita Khrushchev
Did he _really_ say that?
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Jerry Hull
On Fri, 12 Jun 1998 07:35:18 GMT, jo...@altavista.net wrote:
>In article <357fddc5.1164011@news-server>,
> ZZZg...@stny.lrun.com (Jerry Hull) wrote:
>
>--snip
>
>> Jer
>> "Stop, stop. Do not speak. The ultimate truth
>> is not even to think." -- Sakyamuni
>
>
>Does this mean you are lying to us?
>
>or at least telling only partly the truth
>
>--couw
Wouldn't think of it.
--
Jer
"Stop, stop. Do not poot. The ultimate truth
is not even to jazz discharge." -- Sackyoshit
Biffyshrew
Hulsebos A wrote:
>Biffyshrew <biffy...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>"Why not throw a hedgehog at Uncle Sam's pants?"--Nikita Khrushchev
>
>Did he _really_ say that?
Yes, speaking to his defense minister Rodion Malinovsky in 1962. The
quote is from _Sem Vozhdei_ ("Seven Leaders") by Dmitri Volkogonov,
as quoted in Fursenko and Naftali's _One Hell Of A Gamble_, and in turn
quoted in May and Zelikow's _The Kennedy Tapes_, which is where I
ran across it. I assume it's a Russian idiom equivalent to "putting a
burr up someone's ass"...
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Hoodoo
On Fri, 12 Jun 1998 07:35:18 GMT, jo...@altavista.net wrote:
>> "Stop, stop. Do not speak. The ultimate truth
>> is not even to think." -- Sakyamuni
>
>Does this mean you are lying to us?
"Paper or plastic?" - Sackyagroceries
Hoodoo
On Thu, 11 Jun 1998 23:37:33 -0700, Fast Frank :o{-
<fast...@ipnOsPAM.com> wrote:
>Hoodoo, dood!
>The movie of which you speak was "White Buffalo", came out around '78 or
>so...
Yep, that be da one. And in conjunction with the mention of a white
buffalo; the one named Miracle born here in Wisconsin several years
ago is still attracting much attention. The/a white buffalo is very
sacred and an omen of Indian religious beliefs. Miracle has turned
partially or completely brown like a typical buffalo but I guess that
is also part of the Indian folklore.
>Fast "Heaps Of Buffalo*" Frank :o{-
>*Was a real person.
"Why do you ask, Two Dogs Fucking?"
Hear me, my chiefs! I am tired. My heart is
sick and sad. From where the sun now
stands I will fight no more forever.
- Chief Joseph
Hoodoo
On 12 Jun 1998 08:06:15 GMT, arj...@cs.vu.nl (Hulsebos A) wrote:
>>>Indians don't all look alike, negroes do.
>
>Shit, you can't tell Ike from Ray??????
>You joking, son?
Only by the funny looking knit cap.
>>"Why not throw a hedgehog at Uncle Sam's pants?"--Nikita Khrushchev
>
>Did he _really_ say that?
I've been wanting to ask that too. I thought it might be a bad
translation of something Nikki (don't lose that number) actually said.
What if Khrushchev were alleged to wear women's clothes like J. Edgar
Hooverism? Would he be called La Femme Nikita?
John Henley
In article <357FE7...@erols.com>, mike...@MORESPAMerols.com wrote:
> Clayton Moore played the Lone Ranger.
Moore was a piker. Long live Brace Beemer! (And Earle
Graser too.)
> > "The Lone Ranger" was a hit radio show before the advent of TV...
Hundreds of radio episodes survive and are available for the
listening if you know where to look.
> >his handy Indian buddy,
> > Tonto, who always called him "Kemo Sabe"
For the first decade or so of the radio series, they
called _each other_ "Kemo Sabe." The devolution into
its being just a substitute for "master" on Tonto's part
coincides with the general locking-down of the culture
after World War 2. If you ask me.
John Henley
Austin TX
Steve Roche
Paul Hinrichs wrote:
> FWIW, every lounge combo of the early 60s was doing the "Hi-Ho Silver"
> routine. Even one band I was in, 1964, dit it and we musta stolen it
> because we never did anything original.
An early 1960's Lenny Bruce routine provided the spoken soundtrack of a
short cartoon titled "Thank You, Masked Man". Funny as all Get-Out, if
I do say so myself, the routine casts one/both characters as homosexual
Maskman and Indian.
Patrick Neve
It is very funny. It appears at the end of the "Lenny Bruce Performance
Film", released in 1973. It's required viewing for anyone who's confused
by Ike Willis saying "masked man's a fag" on YCDTOSA vol. 3.
Sam and/or Karen Rouse
In article <Pine.GSO.3.96.980615...@darkwing.uoregon.edu>,
Patrick Neve <sp...@darkwing.uoregon.edu> wrote:
Back in the late '70s - early '80s when there was a Portland theater or two
doing midnight movies every Friday & Saturday night, one of the staples was
"The King and his Loyal Short Subjects" - The King of Hearts, preceded by
Bambi Meets Godzilla and Thank You, Mask Man. (No, that's not a typo -
it's "Mask Man," not "Masked Man.") FWIW. You didn't need to know this.
Return to your zone.
Hoodoo
>Back in the late '70s - early '80s when there was a Portland theater or two
>doing midnight movies every Friday & Saturday night, one of the staples was
>"The King and his Loyal Short Subjects" - The King of Hearts, preceded by
>Bambi Meets Godzilla and Thank You, Mask Man. (No, that's not a typo -
>it's "Mask Man," not "Masked Man.") FWIW. You didn't need to know this.
>Return to your zone.
Right on Sam! And that's the exact same bill I saw in Milwaukee. I
have since tried to find King of Hearts on video and requested various
movie channels to broadcast it. I would love to see that movie again!
Along with those short films was there one in black & white that had
Pete Fountain and his band playing one or more dixieland tunes with
silly captions or placards? I recall one sign on someone's Panama (or
straw) hat saying, "Oh what a geezer". At the time I was into various
recreational substances and wondered if geezer implied a certain slang
drug term.
I'm zoned, man.
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ro...@teleport.com (Sam and/or Karen Rouse) writes:
> Back in the late '70s - early '80s when there was a Portland theater or two
> doing midnight movies every Friday & Saturday night, one of the staples was
> "The King and his Loyal Short Subjects" - The King of Hearts, preceded by
> Bambi Meets Godzilla and Thank You, Mask Man. (No, that's not a typo -
> it's "Mask Man," not "Masked Man.") FWIW. You didn't need to know this.
> Return to your zone.
He's right. It's 'mask man'.
"'Thank you mask man'? Goddammit I like that"
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In article <358782c0....@news.newnorth.net>,
hoodooB...@newnorth.net (Hoodoo) wrote:
> Along with those short films was there one in black & white that had
> Pete Fountain and his band playing one or more dixieland tunes with
> silly captions or placards? I recall one sign on someone's Panama (or
> straw) hat saying, "Oh what a geezer".
I don't think that was ever part of the bill in these parts.
Fast Frank :o{-
I think a Panama has a brim, not a bill...
Which reminds me; you know what the little duck said when he visited the
whorehouse?
"Put it on my bill..." nyuck nyuck quack quack
FF :o{-
Hoodoo
>> Along with those short films was there one in black & white that had
>> Pete Fountain and his band playing one or more dixieland tunes with
>> silly captions or placards? I recall one sign on someone's Panama (or
>> straw) hat saying, "Oh what a geezer".
>
>I don't think that was ever part of the bill in these parts.
Shucks. For some strange reason that short film has stuck in my head
all these years and I would like to see it again. The mention of Thank
You Mask Man and King of Hearts brought back the muddy image of it.
kales...@gmail.com
> On Thu, 11 Jun 1998, Jerry Hull wrote:
>
> > On 11 Jun 98 12:28:48 GMT, "Harald Wiester"
> > <harald....@uni-konstanz.de> wrote:
> >
> > >As far as I know, the famous Secret Word "Hi-ho Silver" "Away!" was Ike
> > >Willis´ spontaneous idea. But where did it originate in the american
> > >culture? Where was the concept of "The lone Ranger" firt mentioned? As a
> > >German, I don´t know if it was from a certain book, film, show.
> > >
> > >I´m askin that because "hi-ho silver" was on TV yesterday. In a James
> > >Stewart film from 1941. A funny guy sat on a rodeo-machine and some woman
> > >made fun of him saying "hi-ho silver, away!"
> >
> > "The Lone Ranger" was a hit radio show before the advent of TV, & then
> > a hit TV show.
Radio show aired in the afternoon (still light out) in the very late 1940's when I listened.
>
>
> Hm.. wasn't it a theater serial before it was on TV? We're talkin' 1938
> here, I think that's when kids used to flock to the theaters every
> saturday afternoon to see continuing installments of "cliffhangers", such
> as Flash Gordon.
I was in grade school and attending the Saturday movie theater offerings somewhere on either side of 1950 (1950 being the first time I remember, when a New Year began). We had two theaters available near where I lived, the one with the continuing action was 19 cents admission and Flash Gordon was one. I don't remember the Lone Ranger, except on the radio during this time. Gene Autrey, Hopalong Cassidy, Roy Rogers, Gabby Hayes, Lash Larue (he had a whip) were recurring cowboy movies at that time. Hopalong visited with a group of mentally disabled boys and girls that I was allowed to go with to meet him, Hopalong handed out signed pictures all the while talking to his agent (not making eye contact with any of the kids). The disabled kids didn't notice but I did and lost all respect for the man!
>
> And in response to the guess that it was ripped off from Zane Grey, my
> guess would be that if it was ripped off it would have been from
> "The Cyclone Ranger", a western from 1935.
