Two famous British "Gay" Dr. Johns
Harmony
another in the news right now, a Rev. Dr. Jeffrey John, who is not
unlike Elton in looks, but who is causing a big stir in the established
Anglican Church of England, right now, since he was offered the job as
Bishop of Reading, in Berkshire, (the same county as Windsor, where
Elton sometimes lives)
I've put together a webpage about this controversial subject, so as not
to "bore" this newsgroup with it, but I think Elton would be interested
in this subject, even if his fans aren't.
Hope it enlightens us all,
but most of all, that it unites, despite our diversities.
Please read: http://www.angelfire.com/in2/harmony/GayBishop.html
In Peace, Love (and Harmony)
Brenda
"One can love and care about homosexuals, but still believe their
"lifestyle" is unreal, unhealthy and even unGodly." (Brenda Henry July
7th 2003)
Jake
(jail) for two years in 1895 for being a homosexual, and now Dr. John
may become Bishop of Reading. (Go read his "Ballad of Reading Gaol.")
Oscar Wilde in many ways is a prototype for the modern homosexual in
the last century. Indeed, he was not unlike Elton in many ways - the
extravagant and flashy clothes, the wit, the flamboyance, the love of
the spotlight, etc.
Harmony <harm...@btopenworld.com> wrote in message news:<3F08DDF6...@btopenworld.com>...
Karen M
oele...@whitman.edu (Jake) wrote:
> I think it's interesting that Oscar Wilde was confined to Reading Gaol
> (jail) for two years in 1895 for being a homosexual, and now Dr. John
> may become Bishop of Reading.
Times change, and none too slowly.
> (Go read his "Ballad of Reading Gaol.")
That would be Oscar Wilde's work, not Jeffrey John's, just in case
anyone goes looking for it.
> Oscar Wilde in many ways is a prototype for the modern homosexual in
> the last century. Indeed, he was not unlike Elton in many ways - the
> extravagant and flashy clothes, the wit, the flamboyance, the love of
> the spotlight, etc.
>
>
Don't forget his interest in interior design :-) His sometimes-reported
last words (they weren't, though he did eventually die staring at the
same wallpaper) "I am in a duel to the death with this wallpaper, one of
us has got to go."
Karen
Harmony
"There is only one thing worse than being talked about, and that is NOT being talked about!"
(obviously an attention seeker!;-)
Sad he suffered so much for his sexual preference, but it just goes to show how seriously Christian
Britain, once took the "sin" of homosexuality. (or as it was termed in those days, "Sodomy")
I'm sure if it had been kept illegal, (as well as "free love") we wouldn't have such an AIDS
epidemic right now!:-(
Sad, indeed.
In fact, "it's a sad, sad, situation, and it's getting more and more absurd"!
People are now cross-dressing!! and having sex changes!! :-(
The world is getting very sad indeed!!
In sympathy,
Brenda
PAB
> Brenda,
>
> After watching you disseminate thousands of antigay hate messages over
> the past 5 or so years, I have to ask you to seriously investigate
> what happened to Oscar Wilde when he was imprisoned for two years. He
> really wrote only two more serious works (DE PROFUNDIS and "the ballad
> of reading gaol") before he died. His imprisonment totally destroyed
> his life and left him pretty much unable to write, when he had been at
> the peak of his career. All your hatreds for homosexuals seems to
> harken back to 1895 when Wilde was imprisoned for being gay. Is that
> what you want for you beloved Elton John and David Furnish? Would that
> make you happy to see them put in jail by "righteous" and "moral"
> "Christians" like yourself, Brenda? That seems to be pretty much the
> hate you preach.
>
> It gets so very old... I wish you would learn to be sympathetic
> towards gays and quit being so homophobic. It's a conundrum how you
> can be so OBSESSED with Elton John (having written thousands of
> messages baout him in the last several years and even starting to
> write an account of your "alleged" life with Sir Elton in 1975). How
> you can be so homophobic still after being so obsessed with EJ is
> disconcerting. You know, Brenda, a gay man can't help being gay, and
> that because he is incapable of feeling anything for you is not his
> fault. You are only a fan anyway - even if you were a gay man - you'd
> never get to be with him
>
> I only hope you can find peace and understanding before it's too late,
> Brenda. You are an old woman. Your life has been filled with so much
> hate - it's time for some love now. Go volunteer at an AIDS hospice or
> get involved with a local gay group - show people you care and support
> gays. And stop this homophobic shit - it's soo old hat.
>
> Harmony <harm...@btopenworld.com> wrote in message news:<3F090C0E...@btopenworld.com>...
The only sad thing in the world is the hatered and intolerance of
blinkered people like you Brenda. Homosexuality is not unusual nor is
it unnatural, it has been around for as long as civilisation has and
probably longer. The Romans had no problem with it, neither did the
Greeks. There is plenty of scientific evidence that homosexuality
occurs natually in over 400 different animal species. Are these
animals defying God's will too? are they to be condemed as evil? do
you really believe that they have the free will to choose a debauched
life style or are they just doing what comes natural for them.
Harmony
Jake wrote:
**Once again, I am NOT homophobic. This is just a man-made word which means nothing to me! I reject it!
(but then I also don't believe in the word "Gay")
(Christians should be exempt from such name-calling!:-)
Anyway, I took your advice and looked up Oscar Wilde on the internet, and must say that I was very sad to
read of his plight. He was such a character! Still, "he made his bed, and he had to lie on it" as they
say. It's just very, very sad that he had to suffer so much. (but if he'd lived in our times, he
probably would have died of AIDS anyway:-(
The whole homosexual problem is sad, in my opinion. Not "Gay" at all!
With all this talk of Gay bishops lately, though, I am putting more into my research and prayers on this
subject, but will not bore you with it all.
My response to this post is on a webpage, as I don't want to ruin the fun of this happy newsgroup.
So, if you are interested in my response, please read:
http://www.angelfire.com/in2/harmony/OscarWilde.html (with photos)
Still more to add though.
Lots of love:-)
Brenda
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Sayings of Oscar Wilde:
A man who moralizes is usually a hypocrite, and a woman who moralizes is
invariably plain. ~ Oscar Wilde
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I can resist everything except temptation.
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A man can be happy with any woman as long as he does not love her.
Between men and women there is no friendship possible. There is
passion, enmity, worship, love, but no friendship.
Women have a wonderful instinct about things. They can discover everything except the obvious.
The only way to behave to a woman is to make love to her, if she is pretty, and to someone else, if she
is plain.
I am afraid that women appreciate cruelty, downright cruelty, more than anything
else. They have wonderfully primitive instincts. We have emancipated them, but
they remain slaves looking for their masters all the same.
(**It was one of the curses put on Eve, in the Garden of Eden, that "her desire shall be for her
man/husband".)
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MUSIC
Music is the art … which most completely realizes the artistic idea, and is the
condition to which all the other arts are constantly aspiring.
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MORALS...
Any preoccupation with ideas of what is right or wrong in conduct shows an
arrested intellectual development.
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A man who moralizes is usually a hypocrite, and a woman who moralizes is
invariably plain.
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He has one of those terrible weak natures that are not susceptible to influence.
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there are terrible temptations that it requires strength, strength and courage to
yield to.
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Nowadays most people die of a sort of creeping common sense, and discover
when it is too late that the only things one never regrets are one's mistakes.
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Wickedness is a myth invented by good people to account for the curious
attractiveness of others.
RELIGION:
"Know Thyself" was written over the portal of the antique world. Over the portal of
the new world, "Be Thyself" shall be written. And the message of Christ to man
was simply "Be Thyself." That is the secret of Christ."
(**Yes, but how do we really and truly know who or what we are?)
A little sincerity is a dangerous thing, and a great deal of it is absolutely fatal
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The prig is a very interesting psychological study, and though of all poses a moral
pose is the most offensive, still to have a pose at all is something
Moderation is a fatal thing. Nothing succeeds like excess.
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To be natural is such a very difficult pose to keep up
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