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Brenda

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May 9, 2001, 3:05:02 AM5/9/01
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Elton John guitarist's 9-year-old son drowns

CALABASAS, Calif. (AP) -- The 9-year-old son of Elton John lead
guitarist David Johnstone drowned in the family swimming pool,
investigators said Tuesday.

Oliver Johnstone's body was discovered at 6:44 p.m. Monday in the pool
on Mountain Shadows Road by a nanny caring for the boy, said Deputy Rich
Pena of the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department.

Johnstone and his wife, Kay, were in Chicago on a concert tour with John
and Billy Joel.

The nanny pulled the boy out of the pool and arriving deputies and
paramedics were unable to revive him, Pena said. It wasn't known how
long the youngster was in the pool.

Paramedics took the boy to West Hills Medical Center, where he was dead
on arrival.

"It is with heartfelt sympathy that we announce the sudden death
yesterday of Davey Johnstone's 9-year old son, Oliver. Our love,
thoughts and prayers go to Davey, Kay and the family," John said in a
statement posted on his Web site Tuesday.

Johnstone and his wife returned to their home, about 35 miles northwest
of downtown Los Angeles.

"We haven't been given any information," John spokeswoman Lisa Welford
said. The Elton John/Billy Joel concerts continue in Chicago this week,
she said.

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Oh my God! I hope the nanny wasn't British! (we are getting a bad
name!)
I used to be a nanny for 3 years. That's how I got to go to America when
I was 18, but I would never let the kids out of my sight. (especially
around the pool)

Still, I guess she thought a 9 year old didn't need close observation.

Where was his mother?

I guess everyone must be feeling guilty. How awful!

Hope he has other children, and that Oliver was not his only child.

God bless them all,

Brenda


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KSOUZA10676

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May 9, 2001, 6:34:38 AM5/9/01
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>Oh my God! I hope the nanny wasn't British! (we are getting a bad
>name!)

What a stupid statement! There is a little boy who has died, and this is what
you are worried about? This was an accidental death, and unlike the other
"famous" nanny that you are referring to, Im sure this one is devastated.

>Where was his mother?
Another stupid statement. Why is it that when something awful happens to a
child, people are quick to ask that question?

Leave it to you Brenda to say something idiotic. Don't you know when to keep
quiet? Even in the face of tragedy, your words are classless and uncouth. I
would't be suprised that your next post will be about how this is some kind of
punishment for the Johnstone family for not being good enough Christians.What
is wrong with you?

Brenda

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May 9, 2001, 6:41:29 AM5/9/01
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Just wanted to add to my previous "over-dramatic" post that these sort of
accidents happen a lot and very easily.
It probably wasn't the nanny's fault. She could have been busy cleaning up
or even using the toilet for a few minutes. Guess they thought the child
was a good swimmer. Boys will try to be clever though, at times, and can be
dangerous when they're mucking about. Perhaps he was tired or had just
eaten and got a cramp.

Anyway, it is all too sad to think about, but I must just say that I know
the hospital that the boy was taken to, since it is the same one I was taken
to when I had an accident on the freeway in that area. (caused by the police
chasing another car)
Yes, that area is beautiful, up in the hills not far from the Malibu beaches
and a good place to have a swimming pool. It could happen to any of us.

Hope and pray the pain is not too intense and that they manage to cope with
it all.

Brenda

P.S. I'm sure Davey won't be able to play certain numbers again, for a
while. Such as 'Funeral for a Friend' or 'Someone saved my life tonight or
the song I have just listened to, from the tape I just bought at the market
~ the Last Song. Too painful.
My heart aches for the family. I know how they feel. God bless them all
with love and hope for the resurrection:-)

KSOUZA10676

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May 9, 2001, 7:14:43 AM5/9/01
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Brenda.....Please stop with your nosensical ramblings. Enough is enough.If you
are so overwhelmed with sorrow, go to church, light a candle, and say a prayer.
But please spare us with your opinions on this terrible tragedy. You are indeed
a very sick individual who is in dire need of psychiatric help, a long stay
locked up in hospital for the insane, with no access to computer.

Crockrock

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May 9, 2001, 9:22:10 AM5/9/01
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Out of respect for the Johnstone Family, could this thread
and other ramblings and bickerings of this type please
end immediately.

Thank you
Janice Tuffo

Joseph Romano

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May 9, 2001, 11:40:04 AM5/9/01
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Thank you Janice....beautifully put.

--Noreen


Brenda

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May 9, 2001, 12:32:03 PM5/9/01
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Crockrock wrote:

**
Yes thank you Janice. Everyone has individual feelings about this
tragedy and its not nice to try to quash them. Fans are only trying to
share their sympathies and help in this situation. No one should be
criticising other people for what they say. (especially people who don't
even identify themselves!)
This is a time for sensitivity and caring, not being nasty.

Brenda

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May 9, 2001, 1:03:01 PM5/9/01
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KSOUZA10676 wrote:

Brenda wrote:

> > I hope the nanny wasn't British! (we are getting a bad name!)
>
> What a stupid statement! There is a little boy who has died, and this is what
> you are worried about? This was an accidental death, and unlike the other
> "famous" nanny that you are referring to, Im sure this one is devastated.

**Yes, I'm sure she is. Nannies have a lot of responsibilities, replacing the
natural parents, as guardians over other people's children.
Sorry I said anything, but it crossed my mind, so I thought I'd mention it:-(

>
> >Where was his mother?

> Another stupid statement. Why is it that when something awful happens to a
> child, people are quick to ask that question?

**Well, mothers are traditionally and "naturally" the carers of their children,
but of course I know many mothers today have " lives of their own" or take time
away from their children and leave them in the hands of others.. I think it is a
natural question to ask.

Mothers are quite different from nannies, since they often have an intuitive sense
towards their children, and I can remember a time when my daughter Katy nearly
drowned in a friend's pool, in California, because I was busy helping my friend
get out of her wheelchair (she has MS)
My instinct said to check on my 2 year old, who was exploring the house, with her
4 year old sister, but my friend assured me she'd be alright for a minute and I
didn't follow my hunch.
Luckily the gardener managed to fish her out from under the plastic sheet,
covering the pool, that she had sunk under, when she tried to walk on it!

Other times I've had hunches about the kids and found they were indeed getting
into some kind of trouble. I've even woken up in the night, before they did, when
my kids needed me for something. I never experienced this "intuition" when I was
a nanny to other people's kids, for 3 years though. (but had the same intuition
when my mother, brother and aunt were about to die.)

Nannies are usually trained to watch out for kids, but they don't have that
motherly instinct/bond with the children that a mother or father has. That's all!

>
> Leave it to you Brenda to say something idiotic. Don't you know when to keep
> quiet? Even in the face of tragedy, your words are classless and uncouth. I
> would't be suprised that your next post will be about how this is some kind of
> punishment for the Johnstone family for not being good enough Christians.What
> is wrong with you?

**
O.K. I agree I have a big mouth. I've always gotten into trouble for it, but I
mean well.
As for this tragedy being some kind of punishment. No, I don't think that, but
people who believe in karma do. (reincarnationists)
I do believe that everything that happens to us can be used for good though. Opens
up our hearts to have more compassion for others. Some tragedies even bring us
closer to God, or we can become bitter and twisted from them. It's our choice. No
matter what, it reminds us of our mortality. (and that "life isn't everything":)

Children live with lots of dangers and not all of them make it to adulthood.
Accidents just sometimes happen.
I remember a time when several kids almost drowned in Chislehurst pond, near where
I lived, as a child. We had been ice skating and the ice suddenly cracked and my
brothers, sisters and friends all sunk into the water. I managed to jump onto a
large piece of ice and get off the pond in time, but the others were drenched!
(thank God it was only a shallow bog pond!)
Of course, I being the eldest, got the blame!!:-(

No matter what the reasons for fatal accidents, it is still very painful and my
heart aches for people who suffer in any way.

Life is precious, but full of dangers.

Keep safe.

Brenda

P.S. Sorry for the length of this post, but it's a special occasion. I'll try not
to pontificate so much, in future!:-)

(*you should see all the paragraphs I cut out!!!:-)

Theresa Buckley

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May 9, 2001, 1:56:53 PM5/9/01
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Brenda, just hush and stop trying to explain your every word. It's not a
special occasion that gives you reason to start all this. It is a sad
occasion, a time of morning for a family. No one wants to start a debate
about it.

Theresa

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KSOUZA10676

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May 9, 2001, 6:54:32 PM5/9/01
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>This is a time for sensitivity and caring, not being nasty.

Brenda
Please accept my apology to you and to others whom I offended. I was totally
out of line. All our thoughts should be with the Johnstone family.This is not
the time for pettiness.
My husband spent all day Sunday opening the pool in our backyard, and since I
heard the news of Davey's son, I have been so upset thinking of how easily it
could have been one of my children. Not that this justifys my inappropiate
posts, but it just lets you know what has fueled my behavior.
Again, my apologies to you and may God
be with the Johnstone family during this time of despair.
Sincerely,
Karen

Brenda

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May 9, 2001, 7:21:05 PM5/9/01
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KSOUZA10676 wrote:

**
Phew! I thought you were going to say something nasty again, and hurt my
feelings!
(I was quite hurt by your posts)
Thanks for apologising instead. I accept it gratefully and thank you. I
understand where you are coming from though, and know everyone feels and acts
differently about these sort of things.

Thanks and God bless you

Peace and Love,

Brenda

P.S. Enjoy your pool, but keep your eyes on those kids, ay?:-)

Marianne

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May 9, 2001, 11:41:23 PM5/9/01
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I usually don't respond to Brenda's rantings, but in this case, Brenda, get a
frickin life!!!
Marianne

Leprechuan

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May 16, 2001, 4:51:29 PM5/16/01
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Brenda didn't read the all of the story. Davey's wife was in Chicago.

Leprechuan

lance hirsch

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May 16, 2001, 5:23:46 PM5/16/01
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Leprechuan <lepre...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Brenda didn't read the all of the story. Davey's wife was in Chicago.
>

At the time Brenda posted, the details weren't known or posted here for her
to read. At least not on my newsserver which is well administered.

Lance
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Brenda

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May 16, 2001, 6:37:13 PM5/16/01
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Leprechuan wrote:

> Brenda didn't read the all of the story. Davey's wife was in Chicago.
>
> Leprechuan

**When I first heard the tragic news, there was no mention of his mother,
and later on when it did mention Mrs. Johnstone, it was never stated that
she was the child's mother. He could have been married before, I don't
know. (In fact I read somewhere they he was once married to Kiki Dee!)

I'm sorry I said anything about his mother, because I know most mothers
don't stay home with their children these days, and even if they do, they
still take time out sometimes, and leave the children with other people.

Hope the wounds are healing a bit now. (but they'll never fully heal, I
know)

God bless them all.

Karen M

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May 16, 2001, 9:42:04 PM5/16/01
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In article <CdCM6.20$y_3....@typhoon.austin.rr.com>, "lance hirsch"
<lhi...@attglobal.net> wrote:


> At the time Brenda posted, the details weren't known or posted here for her
> to read. At least not on my newsserver which is well administered.
>
> Lance


The article AP *she* posted, and the one after which she asked why the
boy's mother wasn't there clearly stated that both parents were in
Chicago.

She was just trying to start something...and implying that Kay Johnstone
had been negligent & must be responsible for Oliver's death didn't work.

Karen

CCCCLawS

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May 16, 2001, 10:27:40 PM5/16/01
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karen,

i got that same impression....

bette

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>Date: 05/16/2001 9:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time
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Arthur

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May 16, 2001, 11:27:08 PM5/16/01
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Brenda posted something without having all the facts and to start an
argument ? ... how unlike her.

Arthur =o)
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Leprechuan

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May 17, 2001, 2:53:58 AM5/17/01
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The fact is Brenda that the AP story *you* posted clearly states the Mrs.
Johnstone was in Chicago.
Either you did read the AP story or you choose to ignore the facts.

About the nanny comment. WHO CARES!

Leprechuan

Brenda

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May 17, 2001, 4:43:02 AM5/17/01
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Here's the original post where I mention a mother.
The news article does not say anything about Oliver's mother, but only says
Davey Johnstone was in Chicago with his "wife" Kay. That doesn't mean she's
the boy's mother, though.

Does anyone know if Kay Johnstone is the mother of all his children? I have
no idea, but in this country, you wouldn't write about someone's "wife" when
a child had died. You'd meniton his "mother"
(you yanks are weird!!!)

Sorry you misunderstood.


Brenda

Brenda

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May 17, 2001, 4:53:25 AM5/17/01
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Karen M wrote:

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WHAT!!!!!?

I AM SHOCKED. KAREN, HOW COULD YOU THINK SUCH A THING!
THIS IS SO WRONG.
I first heard the news when I went to eltononline.co.uk (Paul's site) early in
the morning of May 8th. I did some searching the news and found a small article
on it in the LA Times, I think.
It did not say anything about his mother, only Davey Johnstone's wife. I thought
that was a bit strange. If Kay Johnstone had been his mother, why didn't they say
so, instead of saying she was his "wife" It made it sound as though she was not
the boy's mother, that's all.

I really wasn't trying to start an argument though, and am really sad you thought
that. .

We had 10 children in our home and my mother watched us like a hawk. When she
was on her deathbed, dying of cancer, at age 51, a family up the road had a
tragedy, when a toddler locked himself in a disused fridge, left outside the
house, and he died of suffocation. I was the first on the scene, and when I went
back to tell my poor mother of the tragedy, the first thing she said was, "where
was his mother?" I guess it's a natural reaction. (to some, anyway)

Now, can we please drop it, since it's obvious you guys don't understand me at
all, nor want to, and are always trying to make me out to be a bad person, when I
most certainly am not!

Brenda
(disappointed in Elton's fans!:-(

Theresa Buckley

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May 17, 2001, 2:38:31 PM5/17/01
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I got the same feeling, but for once decided to keep quiet.

Theresa

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Brenda

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May 17, 2001, 2:56:20 PM5/17/01
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Theresa Buckley wrote:

> I got the same feeling, but for once decided to keep quiet.
>
> Theresa

**
Well your "feelings" were wrong, and I realise it is now definitely time for me
to keep quiet! (I've been misunderstood once too often ~ plus put my foot in it
too many times;-)

Please forgive me if I gave the impression that I was somehow blaming Oliver's
mother for his accident. I most certainly did not mean to imply that in any way.
I should not have just reacted, but thought a bit more before I wrote. No one
can keep watch 24 hours a day!

Brenda

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Karen M

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May 17, 2001, 4:32:26 PM5/17/01
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In article <3B039183...@ntlworld.com>, Brenda
<brenda...@ntlworld.com> wrote:


>
> I AM SHOCKED. KAREN, HOW COULD YOU THINK SUCH A THING!
> THIS IS SO WRONG.

Yes, it was wrong of you to try to assign blame for an *accident* to
someone who wasn't there when it happened, and you're doing it again. This
thread should not be about Brenda and what she thinks of parents' actions.

Karen

Brenda

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May 17, 2001, 4:42:00 PM5/17/01
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Sorry. Sorry Sorry. Sorry.............
70x70 ~ I'M SORRY!!

O.K.? Can we forget it now, pleeeeeeeaase!?

Thanks

Brenda

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devon...@gmail.com

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This is so unreal. A very sad thing happens, and instead of growing love, care and sorrow, it has created HATE. Everyone has an opinion, and rather you agree or not, why strike back. This reminds me of the Matthew Shepard mishap that created the same sort of posting.

timnorri...@aol.com

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wtf

chain...@gmail.com

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BRAVO, Janice. Exactly.

chain...@gmail.com

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Mar 27, 2020, 1:12:45 PM3/27/20
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Thank you, Theresa.

itsk...@hotmail.com

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On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 10:12:45 AM UTC-7, chain...@gmail.com wrote:


> Thank you, Theresa.



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