So, Bell's released the Elite source, has he?
Paul Roberts
behind on this one.
It's on his "new" site at http://www.elite0.fsnet.co.uk/elite/
--
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Anti-Matter Productions
e-mail: pa...@haggisco.clara.net
http://www.anti-matter.clara.net/
Christian
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The Reverse Engineered Source To Elite.
http://home.clara.net/cjpinder
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Before you buy.
Matt W
<pa...@haggisco.clara.net> writes
just whack the CD in. :)
--
Matt W
http://fly.to/btff
David Braben
Paul Roberts wrote in message ...
>Just wondered if everybody knew this yet or not. My apologies if I'm weeks
>behind on this one.
No - it was your post that drew my attention to it - I think it only went up
last night.
>It's on his "new" site at http://www.elite0.fsnet.co.uk/elite/
Thanks for this.
Apologies, though - I'm afraid I'm going to have to get this one pulled too
because of the libellous stuff and the misleading story of the CIX website.
<sigh>
I also note he's (well - I guess this is probably Ian - but it is not linked
to the Ian Bell site which is strange) revived the "who wrote what" stuff.
It is sad that this means so much to him after this much time, and that he
feels he needs to mislead people like this, especially the ship designs. I
suspect he's reading this so he may get a passing pang of guilt.
David Braben
www.frontier.co.uk
Tom Morton
Matt W <Elit...@ponsanooth0.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:+ASKJAAh...@ponsanooth0.demon.co.uk...
I'm weeks
> >behind on this one.
> >
> >Paul Roberts
> >Anti-Matter Productions
> >e-mail: pa...@haggisco.clara.net
> >http://www.anti-matter.clara.net/
> >
> >
> ah a freeserve account.
>
> just whack the CD in. :)
fsnet.co.uk isn't freeserve!(?) Since when?
--
Yikes Station: Frontier Elite 2 Website
http://www.yikesstation.freeserve.co.uk
Tom 'Moretom' Morton
Andrew R. Gillett
<81jf6h$jgb$2...@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk>...
> fsnet.co.uk isn't freeserve!(?) Since when?
Yes, it is Freeserve. That domain was introduced about two months ago.
Mike Lynch
me what the point of taking down the site is? the source is for a bbc a
computer which is no longer used. you cant be getting very much money out of
it and it looks to me like its a childish fight.
steve
p.s. i again express my aoplogies if anything is wrong.
David Braben <dbrabe...@frontier.co.uk> wrote in message
news:FRNT574...@frontier.co.uk...
>
> Paul Roberts wrote in message ...
> >Just wondered if everybody knew this yet or not. My apologies if I'm
weeks
> >behind on this one.
>
>
> No - it was your post that drew my attention to it - I think it only went
up
> last night.
>
> >It's on his "new" site at http://www.elite0.fsnet.co.uk/elite/
>
>
David Braben
David Braben
www.frontier.co.uk
Christian
"David Braben" <dbrabe...@frontier.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Apologies, though - I'm afraid I'm going to have to get this one
pulled too
> because of the libellous stuff and the misleading story of the CIX
website.
Why don't you just let it drop and move on.
What in particular do you find libellous on the site?
You posted one version of the CIX website story. Ian has posted his
version. The only difference in the stories is the viewpoint.
Can't you just agree to differ and get on with things.
> I also note he's (well - I guess this is probably Ian - but it is not
linked
> to the Ian Bell site which is strange) revived the "who wrote what"
stuff.
There is a link to the Elite page from Ian's main home page. The "who
wrote what" part is in the FAQ. I'm sure it is a question that you
both get asked frequently.
> It is sad that this means so much to him after this much time, and
that he
> feels he needs to mislead people like this, especially the ship
designs. I
> suspect he's reading this so he may get a passing pang of guilt.
It obviously means a lot to you or you wouldn't keep going on about
it. Anybody who knows anything about Elite knows that it was a joint
effort. Who wrote what probably has a small amount of historical
interest to some people, but it isn't worth arguing about. Move on.
Christian.
Matt W
sstation.freeserve.co.uk> writes
>
>Matt W <Elit...@ponsanooth0.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:+ASKJAAh...@ponsanooth0.demon.co.uk...
>> In article <HTW_3.93$qX4....@nnrp4.clara.net>, Paul Roberts
>> <pa...@haggisco.clara.net> writes
>I'm weeks
>> >behind on this one.
>> >
>> >Paul Roberts
>> >Anti-Matter Productions
>> >e-mail: pa...@haggisco.clara.net
>> >http://www.anti-matter.clara.net/
>> >
>> >
>> ah a freeserve account.
>>
>> just whack the CD in. :)
>
>Yikes Station: Frontier Elite 2 Website
>http://www.yikesstation.freeserve.co.uk
>
>Tom 'Moretom' Morton
>
>
>
>
fsbusiness.co.uk
fsnet.co.uk
freeserve.co.uk
all from the same CD.
Matt Dibb
Its for people who don't want to look cheap.
David Braben
Mike Lynch wrote in message <81jimg$hd5$1...@gxsn.com>...
>im sorry if there ia anything wrong that i say here but please can you tell
>me what the point of taking down the site is? the source is for a bbc a
>computer which is no longer used. you cant be getting very much money out
of
>it and it looks to me like its a childish fight.
> steve
>p.s. i again express my aoplogies if anything is wrong.
My main objection, as I said, is the legal stuff - the libel, and the
misleading story of the CIX site. I have a mild objection to the
self-aggrandisment of the who-wrote-what stuff, but taking issue with that
would indeed be a childish fight.
David Braben
www.frontier.co.uk
Phil
>My main objection, as I said, is the legal stuff - the libel, and the
>misleading story of the CIX site. I have a mild objection to the
>self-aggrandisment of the who-wrote-what stuff, but taking issue with that
>would indeed be a childish fight.
>
>David Braben
>www.frontier.co.uk
David, what are your thoughts reference Ians' posting of the source
code?
Could you not publish the same source on your site?
Still, it's now 'out there' so no doubt it will 'do the rounds' via
the usual distribution channels.
Phil
Franke
Christian <cpi...@my-deja.com> schreef in berichtnieuws
81k05u$9d$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
I agree with Christian. For a (demi)-god and legend mr. Braben seems to be
very childish about the issue.
Franke
Maybe we should mirror Ian's site al over the place ;-)
Matt W
writes
>I agree with Christian. For a (demi)-god and legend mr. Braben seems to be
>very childish about the issue.
>
>Franke
>
>Maybe we should mirror Ian's site al over the place ;-)
>
>
I don't want another flame war about it.
Mr Braben can't put the code up, because Frontier Developments is a far
bigger target than one person.
Ian Bell supposedly sold the rights to elite.
Paul Roberts
David Braben <dbrabe...@frontier.co.uk> wrote in message
news:FRNT574...@frontier.co.uk...
>
> Paul Roberts wrote in message ...
weeks
> >behind on this one.
>
>
up
> last night.
http://www.pcformat.co.uk/newsread.asp?story_id=430 )
> Apologies, though - I'm afraid I'm going to have to get this one pulled
too
> because of the libellous stuff and the misleading story of the CIX
website.
I must admit I was a little surprised to see such a "thorough" collection of
AFE posts concerning the saga...
Surely it's not worth zapping another site; as Ian is quoting
http://www.bigfoot.com/~elite0 as his URL
or "safe bookmark", he can continue to move the files and change the
redirection for as long as necessary.
Mike Lynch
David Braben <dbrabe...@frontier.co.uk> wrote in message
news:FRNT575...@frontier.co.uk...
>
> Mike Lynch wrote in message <81jimg$hd5$1...@gxsn.com>...
> >im sorry if there ia anything wrong that i say here but please can you
tell
> >me what the point of taking down the site is? the source is for a bbc a
> >computer which is no longer used. you cant be getting very much money out
> of
> >it and it looks to me like its a childish fight.
> > steve
> >p.s. i again express my aoplogies if anything is wrong.
>
>
Franke
Matt W <Elit...@ponsanooth0.demon.co.uk> schreef in berichtnieuws
TiKhBCAC...@ponsanooth0.demon.co.uk...
I was just kidding. I don't want to start any wars (not IRL anyway). The
main thing is i agree with Christian : They both should be wiser than this.
Franke
Tom Morton
Matt Dibb <matt...@cwcom.net> wrote in message
news:383D51CA...@cwcom.net...
>
>
> Matt W wrote:
> >
> > In article <81jf6h$jgb$2...@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk>, Tom Morton
<tmorton@yike
> > sstation.freeserve.co.uk> writes
> > >
<SNIP>
> > >> ah a freeserve account.
> > >>
> > >> just whack the CD in. :)
> > >
> > >fsnet.co.uk isn't freeserve!(?) Since when?
> > >
> > >
> > >--
> > >Yikes Station: Frontier Elite 2 Website
> > >http://www.yikesstation.freeserve.co.uk
> > >
> > >Tom 'Moretom' Morton
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > since I put the cd in my mates computer yesterday.
> >
> > fsbusiness.co.uk
> > fsnet.co.uk
> > freeserve.co.uk
> >
> > all from the same CD.
>
> Its for people who don't want to look cheap.
Like calling free software 'Open Source'? Pah. Bleh. Pheh.
--
Yikes Station: Frontier Elite 2 Website
http://www.yikesstation.fsnet.co.uk ;-)
Tom 'Moretom' Morton
Mike Lynch
out when they have sorted it out in the form of a contract
Franke <fsch...@dds.nl> wrote in message
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Robert Pfeifer
}In article <FRNT574...@frontier.co.uk>,
} "David Braben" <dbrabe...@frontier.co.uk> wrote:
}>
}pulled too
}website.
}
}Why don't you just let it drop and move on.
}What in particular do you find libellous on the site?
}You posted one version of the CIX website story. Ian has posted his
}version. The only difference in the stories is the viewpoint.
}Can't you just agree to differ and get on with things.
Yes - I for one personally feel this pulling down of webpages is far
worse for your image than anything Ian may ever say.
Plus you're still a credible-looking games developer with a company
and a slick webpage. As far as I know, none of this applies to Ian. I
will, of course, retract this as soon as his mystery project is
released...
I wonder if Louis will put it on his webpage?
Rob
--
"Happiness? Happiness ... is to wake up, on a bright spring morning, after
an exhausting first night spent with a beautiful ... passionate ... multi-
murderess." E-mail: Robert Pfeifer <rp @ i.am>
"Shit, is that all?" WWW: http://i.am/the.god.of.hellfire/
Dylan Smith
linked
> to the Ian Bell site which is strange) revived the "who wrote what" stuff.
> feels he needs to mislead people like this, especially the ship designs. I
> suspect he's reading this so he may get a passing pang of guilt.
David - please don't bother pulling his website.
Why?
Well, two things really. The first one is that it will make you eventually
look worse.
The second one is that the easiest way to deal with netloons is to shun
them - they can't stand to be ignored. Trying to shut Bell's site will just
give him more ammunition. To see proof of how shunning works on Netloons,
check out what happened to a certain Robert L. Bass on rec.aviation.* a
couple of years back. He was shunned and has not returned to the
rec.aviation groups since.
If you shut him down again, how long do you think it will be before he moves
his site to a Russian server which you *cannot* shut down? I suspect not
long.
--
Dylan Smith, Houston TX.
http://www.icct.net/~dyls
"Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee"
Franke
Mike Lynch <hay...@globalnet.co.uk> schreef in berichtnieuws
81lek4$dk6$1...@gxsn.com...
> hows about this for an idea lock em in a room without food and only let
them
> out when they have sorted it out in the form of a contract
>
> >
> > I was just kidding. I don't want to start any wars (not IRL anyway). The
> > main thing is i agree with Christian : They both should be wiser than
> this.
> >
> > Franke
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
development of E4. And we can't have that, can we ?
Franke
Robert Pfeifer
<Lou...@BellSouth.Net> write:
}Me and Jeremy Johnson are setting up http://www.afe.org, I've already
}got the layout done and a lot of the content.
Association for Facilities Engineering? How nice for you!
Mike Lynch
Franke <fsch...@dds.nl> wrote in message
news:81mkjg$ojm$1...@news.hccnet.nl...
anth0ny
Maybe you should learn how to de-bug programs before pulling web pages that
you dont agree with...
Compared to your company's output, M$ programs are bug free...
David Braben <dbrabe...@frontier.co.uk> wrote in message
news:FRNT574...@frontier.co.uk...
>
> >
>
> No - it was your post that drew my attention to it - I think it only went
up
> last night.
>
> >It's on his "new" site at http://www.elite0.fsnet.co.uk/elite/
>
>
> Thanks for this.
>
> Apologies, though - I'm afraid I'm going to have to get this one pulled
too
> because of the libellous stuff and the misleading story of the CIX
website.
>
> <sigh>
>
> I also note he's (well - I guess this is probably Ian - but it is not
linked
> to the Ian Bell site which is strange) revived the "who wrote what" stuff.
> It is sad that this means so much to him after this much time, and that he
> feels he needs to mislead people like this, especially the ship designs. I
> suspect he's reading this so he may get a passing pang of guilt.
>
> David Braben
> www.frontier.co.uk
>
>
>
>
Louis J.M
<r...@i.am> wrote:
> }> Apologies, though - I'm afraid I'm going to have to get this one
> }pulled too
> }> because of the libellous stuff and the misleading story of the CIX
> }website.
> }
> }Why don't you just let it drop and move on.
> }What in particular do you find libellous on the site?
> }You posted one version of the CIX website story. Ian has posted his
> }version. The only difference in the stories is the viewpoint.
> }Can't you just agree to differ and get on with things.
>
> Yes - I for one personally feel this pulling down of webpages is far
> worse for your image than anything Ian may ever say.
>
> Plus you're still a credible-looking games developer with a company
> and a slick webpage. As far as I know, none of this applies to Ian. I
> will, of course, retract this as soon as his mystery project is
> released...
>
> I wonder if Louis will put it on his webpage?
Me and Jeremy Johnson are setting up http://www.afe.org, I've already
got the layout done and a lot of the content.
I've also been busy with other projects. Like my new XXX flick
starring you.
"Silence Of The Lamb".
This a radical departure from traditional pornography. It's a touching
love story about a cloned sheep named Beatress who evolves conciousness
only to realize nobody understands what she says!
Until she meets a desperate Medical student visiting Scotland who finds a
lot more in Betsy than sex.
It has very sad ending too where she saves his life in a snow-storm, and
he wakes up from a bad hangover only to realize she's dead on top of him.
.-~~-.____ Louis J.M
/ | ' \
( ) O _
\_/-, ,----' // E-Mail: Lou...@BellSouth.net
==== ___// WWW : Coming Soon!
/ \-'~; /~~~(O)----------------------------------------------------
/ __/~| __/ | "I am not a vegetarian because I love animals; I'm a
==(______| (_________| vegetarian because I hate plants." A. Whitney Brown
Brian Kearney
> what would happen th the rights if they both died from starvation?
>
Well, unless they've said something in their wills, we'd probably have to wait
another fifty years for Elite IV.
>
> Franke <fsch...@dds.nl> wrote in message
> news:81mkjg$ojm$1...@news.hccnet.nl...
> >
> > Mike Lynch <hay...@globalnet.co.uk> schreef in berichtnieuws
> > 81lek4$dk6$1...@gxsn.com...
> > > hows about this for an idea lock em in a room without food and only let
> > them
> > > out when they have sorted it out in the form of a contract
>
<SNIP>
Brian Kearney
> David Braben <dbrabe...@frontier.co.uk> wrote in message
> > I also note he's (well - I guess this is probably Ian - but it is not
> linked
> > to the Ian Bell site which is strange) revived the "who wrote what" stuff.
> > It is sad that this means so much to him after this much time, and that he
> > feels he needs to mislead people like this, especially the ship designs. I
> > suspect he's reading this so he may get a passing pang of guilt.
>
> David - please don't bother pulling his website.
>
> Why?
> Well, two things really. The first one is that it will make you eventually
> look worse.
> The second one is that the easiest way to deal with netloons is to shun
> them - they can't stand to be ignored. Trying to shut Bell's site will just
> give him more ammunition. To see proof of how shunning works on Netloons,
> check out what happened to a certain Robert L. Bass on rec.aviation.* a
> couple of years back. He was shunned and has not returned to the
> rec.aviation groups since.
Considering recent events involving CIX and the shutting down of the Elite
pages, I cant help but feel that Bell already knew what Brabens reaction would
be. If I was a suspicous person, I might believe that Bell was deliberately
being provocative.
Darren Bullivant
D
Louis J.M
<r...@i.am> wrote:
> }Me and Jeremy Johnson are setting up http://www.afe.org, I've already
> }got the layout done and a lot of the content.
>
> Association for Facilities Engineering? How nice for you!
I know. He just told me that URL was taken. Switching it to
http://www.altfanelite.com|org
.-~~-.____ Louis J.M
/ | ' \
( ) O _
\_/-, ,----' // E-Mail: Lou...@BellSouth.net
==== ___// WWW : Coming Soon!
/ \-'~; /~~~(O)----------------------------------------------------
/ __/~| __/ | "If you can't make it good. At least make it look
==(______| (_________| good." - Bill Gates
Mike Lynch
Brian Kearney <bri...@crimsonsaint.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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