pronunciation of charactesrs

[slinky]

Me and my friend has been arguing about how to pronounce various
characterse in edding's books..

Please contribute to what you feel is the correct pronunciation.

Belgarath
me - bell-GA-rith
him - BELL-ger-rath

Geran
me - JE-rn
him- jer-RAN

UL
me - YOU ELL
him - ull

There are others that I can't recall right now. but it's something to
talk about rather than the eddings vs. jordan thing..

vote and give me your own opinions on how to pronounce correnctly

[Bill Martin]

Here's how I say 'em:

Belgarath = bel-GAR-ath
Geran = GAR-an
UL = ull

For what it's worth...

__________________________________________________________________________
Bill Martin
AK...@charleston.net
"She'll make point five past light speed."
__________________________________________________________________________

[Aphrael]

slinky@ (slinky) wrote:

>Me and my friend has been arguing about how to pronounce various
>characterse in edding's books..

>Please contribute to what you feel is the correct pronunciation.

>Belgarath
>me - bell-GA-rith
>him - BELL-ger-rath

>Geran
>me - JE-rn
>him- jer-RAN

>UL
>me - YOU ELL
>him - ull

>There are others that I can't recall right now. but it's something to
>talk about rather than the eddings vs. jordan thing..

>vote and give me your own opinions on how to pronounce correnctly

Geez, and I'm still trying to figure out how to pronounce my own
namesake :+) (I say it like af-ree-ELL, but I've heard different
opinions.)

I agree with you on Belgarath but with your friend on UL. And as for
Geran, I disagree with both of you--I think it's GER-an, with a hard
G. The hard sound would be more consistent with Garion's own name,
and I sort of thought there was a pattern to the names Pol gave to the
Rivan descendants--Belgarath mentions somewhere in BtS that she pretty
much stuck with half-a-dozen or so similar-sounding variations, which
I took to be based on the Gar- and Dar- roots. (Daran, Garel, Darion,
etc.)

Here's an even more interesting one: How would you pronounce Bhlokw?
(For those of you poor misguided souls who didn't give the Tamuli a
fair shot, Bhlokw is a Troll who appears in The Hidden City.)

And here's a couple more:

Khalad -- is it KAL-ad or Kal-AD?

Kurik -- KYOOR-ik or KOOR-ik

Platime -- PLAY-time, PLAT-ime, or Pla-TEE-may?

Ce'Nedra, Tolnedra, Nedra -- NEE-dra or NED-ra?

Mara -- MAR-a (like marathon) or MAH-ra?

Sadi -- SAH-dee or SAY-dee?

Oscagne, Itagne -- Oss-CAYN, It-AYN or Oss-CAG-nay, It-AG-nay

Ehlana -- Ell-AH-na, Ay-LAH-na, or Ell-AY-na?

Poledra -- Pol-EE-dra or Pol-ED-ra?

Aphrael (Aff-ree-ELL)
aph...@microserve.net
Co-Founder, ACETS (Association for the Continuation of the
Elenium/Tamuli Series)
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now. The horizontal form hasn't caught on in the more
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[Ken Weiher]

Here's mine...

Belgarath: BELL-ga-rath

Geran: GER-an (hard G)

UL: ool

KEN (pronounced ken)

[Kerryn]

slinky@ (slinky) wrote:

>Me and my friend has been arguing about how to pronounce various
>characterse in edding's books..

>Please contribute to what you feel is the correct pronunciation.

>Belgarath
>me - bell-GA-rith
>him - BELL-ger-rath

Kerryn - Bell- ga-rath

>Geran
>me - JE-rn
>him- jer-RAN

Kerryn - Ge-rn

>UL
>me - YOU ELL
>him - ull

Kerryn - ul

Sorry but I agree with "him" more.

Kerryn

[Michael Slade]

Aphrael wrote:
>
> slinky@ (slinky) wrote:
>
> >Me and my friend has been arguing about how to pronounce various
> >characterse in edding's books..
>
> >Please contribute to what you feel is the correct pronunciation.
>
> >Belgarath
> >me - bell-GA-rith
> >him - BELL-ger-rath

Me: bell-ga-rath (closer to him)

> >Geran
> >me - JE-rn
> >him- jer-RAN

Ge-ran - different from both of you, with a definite g sound, not j.

> >UL
> >me - YOU ELL
> >him - ull

ul (closer to him)

> Geez, and I'm still trying to figure out how to pronounce my own
> namesake :+) (I say it like af-ree-ELL, but I've heard different
> opinions.)

I'd say af-ray-el.

[snip]

> Here's an even more interesting one: How would you pronounce Bhlokw?
> (For those of you poor misguided souls who didn't give the Tamuli a
> fair shot, Bhlokw is a Troll who appears in The Hidden City.)

Block (as in lump of wood), with the h and w being silent. Any other way
is a hell of a mouthfull, but then it is Trollish ....

> And here's a couple more:
>
> Khalad -- is it KAL-ad or Kal-AD?

KAL-ad

> Kurik -- KYOOR-ik or KOOR-ik

Koor-ik

> Platime -- PLAY-time, PLAT-ime, or Pla-TEE-may?

play-time

> Ce'Nedra, Tolnedra, Nedra -- NEE-dra or NED-ra?

Here I'm going to be difficult. Although it is derived from the same
word, I pronounce Ce'Nedra different from the other two.

Ce-Ned-ra, Tol-Nee-dra, Nee-dra.

> Mara -- MAR-a (like marathon) or MAH-ra?

Mah-ra (like car, with an a on the end ... whatever)

> Sadi -- SAH-dee or SAY-dee?

Say-dee

> Oscagne, Itagne -- Oss-CAYN, It-AYN or Oss-CAG-nay, It-AG-nay

Oss-cayn, and Ite-ayne (note the Ite as in bite, no it)

> Ehlana -- Ell-AH-na, Ay-LAH-na, or Ell-AY-na?

Ay-la-na (short la as in labyrinth, not long lah as in do-re-mi)

> Poledra -- Pol-EE-dra or Pol-ED-ra?

Pol-ee-dra

Interesting - I had never thought that others would pronounce things
differently. Not saying I'm right, it just never occurred to me.

Michael.
--
Michael Slade
mcs...@acmis.mat.army.defence.gov.au

[Peta Young]

Julian Sher (je...@iinet.net.au) wrote:
: rlg...@pfs01.cc.monash.edu.au (Kerryn) wrote:

: >slinky@ (slinky) wrote:

: >>Me and my friend has been arguing about how to pronounce various
: >>characterse in edding's books..

: >>Please contribute to what you feel is the correct pronunciation.

: >>Belgarath
: >>me - bell-GA-rith
: >>him - BELL-ger-rath

: >Kerryn - Bell- ga-rath
: Jeremy-Bel-ga-rath

: >Sorry but I agree with "him" more.
: Sorry, but so do I..

: Jeremy Sher
: Je...@iinet.net.au

: >Kerryn

Wow! I never realised people pronounced these names so differently!

I never really thought about it, but there are heaps of diiferent ways to say them!
Considering I rarely read these books out loud, this has never been a big issue for me though!

Happy debating on this one everyone - the possibilities are endless.......

Peta :)

[Gussel Timer]

Peta Young wrote:

> Wow! I never realised people pronounced these names so differently!

Ha! How about this one?

Is it:
Za (flat a) kith
or
Zay-keth?

[Aphrael]

Gussel Timer <s-gu...@deepcove.com> wrote:

Personally, I pronounce it Za-KAHTH :+)

Which reminds me--how about this one: Cyradis--Sir-AD-iss,
Sir-AHD-iss, or SIR-a-diss?

Aphrael

[Julian Sher]

rlg...@pfs01.cc.monash.edu.au (Kerryn) wrote:

>slinky@ (slinky) wrote:

>>Me and my friend has been arguing about how to pronounce various
>>characterse in edding's books..

>>Please contribute to what you feel is the correct pronunciation.

>>Belgarath
>>me - bell-GA-rith
>>him - BELL-ger-rath
>Kerryn - Bell- ga-rath
Jeremy-Bel-ga-rath

>>Geran
>>me - JE-rn
>>him- jer-RAN

>Kerryn - Ge-rn
Jeremy-Ge-ren

>>UL
>>me - YOU ELL
>>him - ull

>Kerryn - ul
Jeremy-Ul

[Jason Tamez]

Mork to Orson! Come in, Orson! The earthling Slinky told me....
S > Me and my friend has been arguing about how to pronounce various
S > characterse in edding's books..
S >
S > Please contribute to what you feel is the correct pronunciation.
S >
S > Belgarath
S > me - bell-GA-rith
S > him - BELL-ger-rath

him

S > Geran
S > me - JE-rn
S > him- jer-RAN

him

S > UL
S > me - YOU ELL
S > him - ull

him

S > There are others that I can't recall right now. but it's something to
S > talk about rather than the eddings vs. jordan thing..
S >
S > vote and give me your own opinions on how to pronounce correnctly

I guess I don't agree with you. Of course, *I* went through the whole
Belgariad calling Ctuchik "Chut-lick" until I took a close look at his
name in the Malloreon. I now say "K'Choo-chick" if you can imagine what
I'm trying to write. How do you all say this?

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[Kerryn]

Michael Slade <mcs...@acmis.mat.army.defence.gov.au> wrote:

>Aphrael wrote:
>>
>> slinky@ (slinky) wrote:
>>

>> >Me and my friend has been arguing about how to pronounce various

>> >characterse in edding's books..
>>

>> >Please contribute to what you feel is the correct pronunciation.
>>

>> >Belgarath
>> >me - bell-GA-rith
>> >him - BELL-ger-rath

>Me: bell-ga-rath (closer to him)
Kerryn: Bel-ga-rath (incase you missed it in the other post)

>> >Geran
>> >me - JE-rn
>> >him- jer-RAN

>Ge-ran - different from both of you, with a definite g sound, not j.
Kerryn - Ge-rn

>> >UL
>> >me - YOU ELL
>> >him - ull

>ul (closer to him)
Kerryn too

>> Geez, and I'm still trying to figure out how to pronounce my own
>> namesake :+) (I say it like af-ree-ELL, but I've heard different
>> opinions.)

>I'd say af-ray-el.
Af-ray-el too

>[snip]

>> Here's an even more interesting one: How would you pronounce Bhlokw?
>> (For those of you poor misguided souls who didn't give the Tamuli a
>> fair shot, Bhlokw is a Troll who appears in The Hidden City.)

>Block (as in lump of wood), with the h and w being silent. Any other way
>is a hell of a mouthfull, but then it is Trollish ....

>> And here's a couple more:
>>
>> Khalad -- is it KAL-ad or Kal-AD?

>KAL-ad
Yep

>> Kurik -- KYOOR-ik or KOOR-ik

>Koor-ik
For variety Kar-ik (as in broom broom car)

>> Platime -- PLAY-time, PLAT-ime, or Pla-TEE-may?

>play-time
Kerryn - Pla-time

>> Ce'Nedra, Tolnedra, Nedra -- NEE-dra or NED-ra?

>Here I'm going to be difficult. Although it is derived from the same
>word, I pronounce Ce'Nedra different from the other two.

>Ce-Ned-ra, Tol-Nee-dra, Nee-dra.
Kerryn - C-knee-dra (not phonetic I know but hey! - as in hay)

>> Mara -- MAR-a (like marathon) or MAH-ra?

>Mah-ra (like car, with an a on the end ... whatever)

Me too

>> Sadi -- SAH-dee or SAY-dee?

>Say-dee
Kerryn - Sah-di

>> Oscagne, Itagne -- Oss-CAYN, It-AYN or Oss-CAG-nay, It-AG-nay

>Oss-cayn, and Ite-ayne (note the Ite as in bite, no it)

Kerryn - Os-Cag-ni, I-tag-ni

>> Ehlana -- Ell-AH-na, Ay-LAH-na, or Ell-AY-na?

>Ay-la-na (short la as in labyrinth, not long lah as in do-re-mi)

Kerryn - Ah-lah-na (lah as in do-re-mi)

>> Poledra -- Pol-EE-dra or Pol-ED-ra?

>Pol-ee-dra
Pol-e-dra

>Interesting - I had never thought that others would pronounce things
>differently. Not saying I'm right, it just never occurred to me.

I have actually often wondered what the "correct" pronunciation was,
but figured as I was the only other person I knew who cared it did not
really matter. And then I never really thought it would come up here,
as we all spell them the same way (well, usually anyway).

Kerryn
(Ke-rhynn I guess - with the ke being a short sound)

[Kerryn]

Gussel Timer <s-gu...@deepcove.com> wrote:

>Peta Young wrote:
>
>> Wow! I never realised people pronounced these names so differently!

>Ha! How about this one?

>Is it:
>Za (flat a) kith
>or
>Zay-keth?

Zah-kath?

Kerryn

[Aphrael]

jason...@lunatic.com (Jason Tamez) wrote:

>I guess I don't agree with you. Of course, *I* went through the whole
>Belgariad calling Ctuchik "Chut-lick" until I took a close look at his
>name in the Malloreon. I now say "K'Choo-chick" if you can imagine what
>I'm trying to write. How do you all say this?

Personally, I pronounce it k-TOO-chick. I had a similar experience to
yours, though, only mine was in the Elenium with Sephrenia. At fisrt
I was saying "sef-er-EE-na," then I got as far as Cammoria in TDT and
looked closely at it and noticed that I was putting in too many 'e's'.
So I started saying "sef-REE-na." Then, somehwere in the desert of
Rendor, I looked at it even more closely and noticed the ' i ' beore
the final 'a.' So now I say "sef-REN-ee-a." (A goddess should, after
all, know how to pronounce her high-priestess' name! <G>) Others
agree or disagree?

Also, what about this one: Lamorkand--LAM-or-kand or la-MORK-and?

[Jason Tamez]

Mork to Orson! Come in, Orson! The earthling Slinky told me....
S > Me and my friend has been arguing about how to pronounce various
S > characterse in edding's books..
S >
S > Please contribute to what you feel is the correct pronunciation.
S >
S > Belgarath
S > me - bell-GA-rith
S > him - BELL-ger-rath

him

S > Geran
S > me - JE-rn
S > him- jer-RAN

him

S > UL
S > me - YOU ELL
S > him - ull

him

S > There are others that I can't recall right now. but it's something to
S > talk about rather than the eddings vs. jordan thing..
S >
S > vote and give me your own opinions on how to pronounce correnctly

I guess I don't agree with you. Of course, *I* went through the whole

Belgariad calling Ctuchik "Chut-lick" until I took a close look at his
name in the Malloreon. I now say "K'Choo-chick" if you can imagine what
I'm trying to write. How do you all say this?

[slinky]

aph...@microserve.net (Aphrael) wrote:

>Gussel Timer <s-gu...@deepcove.com> wrote:

> Personally, I pronounce it Za-KAHTH :+)

I say ZA-kith (flat a as in apple)

>Which reminds me--how about this one: Cyradis--Sir-AD-iss,
>Sir-AHD-iss, or SIR-a-diss?

SI-ruh-diss
>Aphrael
>aph...@microserve.net

[Andrew James Wallace]

slinky@ (slinky) wrote:

>Me and my friend has been arguing about how to pronounce various

>characterse in edding's books..

>Please contribute to what you feel is the correct pronunciation.

>Belgarath

>me - bell-GA-rith
>him - BELL-ger-rath

>Geran

>me - JE-rn
>him- jer-RAN

>UL

>me - YOU ELL
>him - ull

>There are others that I can't recall right now. but it's something to

>talk about rather than the eddings vs. jordan thing..

>vote and give me your own opinions on how to pronounce correnctly

Belgarath

Bell-gar-rath

Polgara

Pol-GAR-a

Garion

gar-I-on

UL

"Ul"?

Ctuchik

No Idea :)

Ce'nedra

see-NEE-dra

Any others? :)

[Aphrael]

pe...@qimr.edu.au (Peta Young) wrote:

>Wow! I never realised people pronounced these names so differently!

>I never really thought about it, but there are heaps of diiferent ways to say them!

>Considering I rarely read these books out loud, this has never been a big issue for me though!

>Happy debating on this one everyone - the possibilities are endless.......

Actually, how much do you want to bet that even Eddings himself is not
totally set in stone about how to pronounce these words? I wouldn't
presume to put myself on a level with the great one, but I'm currently
writing a fantasy novel, and I'm not always 100% sure how I'd want a
particular name to sound. I fugure if it looks good spelled out and
there's a couple different possibilities, I'll let the reader decide.

I imagine if we ever wrote to him and asked, he'd be like, "Well, gee,
I never really gave it much thought...."

[Ken Weiher]

Jason Tamez wrote:

> I guess I don't agree with you. Of course, *I* went through the whole
> Belgariad calling Ctuchik "Chut-lick" until I took a close look at his
> name in the Malloreon. I now say "K'Choo-chick" if you can imagine what
> I'm trying to write. How do you all say this?

Along the sames lines, my wife read the Belgariad several years ago,
and while talking about it, she referred to the bad guys as
'Gromlins'. I had to have her read it closely!

We still laugh about that! (unfortunately, I haven't been able to get
her to read any other series...she is not into fantasy.)

KEN

[Kerryn]

Matthew G Hansen <matt...@island.cs.byu.edu> wrote:

>On Wed, 17 Jul 1996, Aphrael wrote:

>> jason...@lunatic.com (Jason Tamez) wrote:
>>
>> >I guess I don't agree with you. Of course, *I* went through the whole
>> >Belgariad calling Ctuchik "Chut-lick" until I took a close look at his
>> >name in the Malloreon. I now say "K'Choo-chick" if you can imagine what
>> >I'm trying to write. How do you all say this?

>I pronounce the "Ct" as "T," as in "TOO-chick."

>-MgH.

Ku-chik

Anything to avoid the Jordan-Eddings debate!

[Shannon Adams]

Aphrael wrote:
>
> jason...@lunatic.com (Jason Tamez) wrote:
>
> >I guess I don't agree with you. Of course, *I* went through the whole
> >Belgariad calling Ctuchik "Chut-lick" until I took a close look at his
> >name in the Malloreon. I now say "K'Choo-chick" if you can imagine what
> >I'm trying to write. How do you all say this?
>

> Personally, I pronounce it k-TOO-chick. I had a similar experience to
> yours, though, only mine was in the Elenium with Sephrenia. At fisrt
> I was saying "sef-er-EE-na," then I got as far as Cammoria in TDT and
> looked closely at it and noticed that I was putting in too many 'e's'.
> So I started saying "sef-REE-na." Then, somehwere in the desert of
> Rendor, I looked at it even more closely and noticed the ' i ' beore
> the final 'a.' So now I say "sef-REN-ee-a." (A goddess should, after
> all, know how to pronounce her high-priestess' name! <G>) Others
> agree or disagree?
>
> Also, what about this one: Lamorkand--LAM-or-kand or la-MORK-and?
>

> Aphrael
> aph...@microserve.net
> Co-Founder, ACETS (Association for the Continuation of the
> Elenium/Tamuli Series)

I agree with the Sef--ren--ee-a pronunciation. I say La--mor--kand,
unless Ortel (is that the right patriarch) is reciting the Drycthnathsaga
(sp?) then I pronounce it La-mork-land (not la-mor-kland).

Shannon

[Eric Wu]

aph...@microserve.net (Aphrael) wrote:

>Personally, I pronounce it k-TOO-chick. I had a similar experience to
>yours, though, only mine was in the Elenium with Sephrenia. At fisrt
>I was saying "sef-er-EE-na," then I got as far as Cammoria in TDT and
>looked closely at it and noticed that I was putting in too many 'e's'.
>So I started saying "sef-REE-na." Then, somehwere in the desert of
>Rendor, I looked at it even more closely and noticed the ' i ' beore
>the final 'a.' So now I say "sef-REN-ee-a."

chut-chik (Didn't bother worrying about grammar... or spelling. I feel more
comfortable saying it that way.)
sef-re-nee-ia (pretty sure about that one)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Seph-re-nia -- ah close enough.

-- Eric W. (http://members.gnn.com/EricW910/eric.htm)

[ka...@colosseum.com]

I definitly aggree with your new pronounciations.. I've got domes of fire in
audio form, and it was studio material. That's how they were pronouncing
sephrenia so, I think it's safe to say that's accurate.. You wouldn't want
the imbarasment of having mass marketed material with bad pronounciation.

`[1;31;42mNet-Tamer V 1.05 - Test Drive

[Jon Fenn]

Jason Tamez <jason...@lunatic.com> wrote:
: Mork to Orson! Come in, Orson! The earthling Slinky told me....
: S > Me and my friend has been arguing about how to pronounce various
: S > characterse in edding's books..
: S >
: S > Please contribute to what you feel is the correct pronunciation.
: S >

: S > Belgarath
: S > me - bell-GA-rith
: S > him - BELL-ger-rath

me

: S > Geran

: S > me - JE-rn
: S > him- jer-RAN

him

: S > UL
: S > me - YOU ELL
: S > him - ull

me
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[Michael Slade]

Taking further names from at least three letters:

Ctuchik
me: Chew-chick (as in what you do with your food, and small bird)

Zakath
Za-kath (short a's as in cat)

Sephrenia
Sef-ree-nee-a

Lamorkand
Lay-more-kand (Note Shannon - there is only one L)

Just my 2c worth.

[John Cavan]

On Wed, 17 Jul 1996 16:17:27 GMT, aph...@microserve.net (Aphrael)
wrote:

>Personally, I pronounce it k-TOO-chick. I had a similar experience to
>yours, though, only mine was in the Elenium with Sephrenia. At fisrt
>I was saying "sef-er-EE-na," then I got as far as Cammoria in TDT and
>looked closely at it and noticed that I was putting in too many 'e's'.
>So I started saying "sef-REE-na." Then, somehwere in the desert of
>Rendor, I looked at it even more closely and noticed the ' i ' beore

>the final 'a.' So now I say "sef-REN-ee-a." (A goddess should, after
>all, know how to pronounce her high-priestess' name! <G>) Others
>agree or disagree?
>
>Also, what about this one: Lamorkand--LAM-or-kand or la-MORK-and?
>
>Aphrael
>aph...@microserve.net
>Co-Founder, ACETS (Association for the Continuation of the
>Elenium/Tamuli Series)

Hmm. I always pronounced it chuh-chick, though it's probably not
correct. Sephrenia was always seh-fren-ee-ah for me. Belgarath was
fairly distinct with 'bell' - 'gar' (as in car) - 'ath' (like wrath).
It's too bad Eddings didn't include a glossary/guide for his books
like some authors do.

John

[Aphrael]

Michael Slade <mcs...@acmis.mat.army.defence.gov.au> wrote:

>Lamorkand
>Lay-more-kand (Note Shannon - there is only one L)

She knows...she was referring to the part in the first book of the
Tamuli where Patriarch Ortzel recites the epic poem about Drychtnath,
and he even points out that in the poem and the time it was written,
Lamorkand was known as Lamorkland.

Just wanted to clarify that :+)

------
Aphrael |"Conservatives wouldn't even change their
aph...@microserve.net | underwear if they didn't have to."
Co-Founder, ACETS | --Aphrael, "The Shining Ones"

[Jon W.]

>Here's an even more interesting one: How would you pronounce Bhlokw?
>(For those of you poor misguided souls who didn't give the Tamuli a
>fair shot, Bhlokw is a Troll who appears in The Hidden City.)

Bloke

>
>And here's a couple more:
>
>Khalad -- is it KAL-ad or Kal-AD?
>

KA-lad

>Kurik -- KYOOR-ik or KOOR-ik
>

1

>Platime -- PLAY-time, PLAT-ime, or Pla-TEE-may?
>

2

>Ce'Nedra, Tolnedra, Nedra -- NEE-dra or NED-ra?
>

2

>Mara -- MAR-a (like marathon) or MAH-ra?
>

Mare-uh

>Sadi -- SAH-dee or SAY-dee?
>

?

>Oscagne, Itagne -- Oss-CAYN, It-AYN or Oss-CAG-nay, It-AG-nay
>

Oss-cain, IT-ain

>Ehlana -- Ell-AH-na, Ay-LAH-na, or Ell-AY-na?
>

1

>Poledra -- Pol-EE-dra or Pol-ED-ra?

2
>
>Aphrael (Aff-ree-ELL)
AFF-ray-el

>aph...@microserve.net
>Co-Founder, ACETS (Association for the Continuation of the
>Elenium/Tamuli Series)

>"Ah, yes, Countess, but *vertical* dancing is in vogue just
>now. The horizontal form hasn't caught on in the more
>fashionable circles, and we *do* want to be stylish, don't we?"
> --Stragen, to one of his whores (TSR)
>

"Should have been a whole lot farther
I'm never going back to college
Just welcome the day job."

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[Tony Hoffman]

j

>S >
>S > Please contribute to what you feel is the correct pronunciation.
>S >
>S > Belgarath
>S > me - bell-GA-rith
>S > him - BELL-ger-rath

Well, I used to think of him as BEL-guh-rath, until I read BtS and
found he was from the town of Gara, after which I realized that
Bell-GARR-ith was probably a better bet.

>S > Geran
>S > me - JE-rn
>S > him- jer-RAN

I always thought of Geran as beginning with a G sound ("Guh") rather
than J.

--
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"There are no wrong turnings, only paths
we had not known we were meant to walk."
--Guy Gavriel Kay, Tigana

[Aphrael]

jca...@istar.ca (John Cavan) wrote:

>Hmm. I always pronounced it chuh-chick, though it's probably not
>correct. Sephrenia was always seh-fren-ee-ah for me. Belgarath was
>fairly distinct with 'bell' - 'gar' (as in car) - 'ath' (like wrath).
>It's too bad Eddings didn't include a glossary/guide for his books
>like some authors do.

But that would take all the fun out of it! And we wouldn't have
anything to distract us from that tedious "Eddings vs. Feist. vs.
Jordan" thread. I think maybe Eddings wants us to debate about it and
each come up with our own pronunciations, just like he won't let them
make movies out of any of his books because he probably wants us to
picture the characters and scenes for ourselves.

[John Cavan]

On Sat, 20 Jul 1996 01:51:26 GMT, aph...@microserve.net (Aphrael)
wrote:

>
>But that would take all the fun out of it! And we wouldn't have
>anything to distract us from that tedious "Eddings vs. Feist. vs.
>Jordan" thread. I think maybe Eddings wants us to debate about it and
>each come up with our own pronunciations, just like he won't let them
>make movies out of any of his books because he probably wants us to
>picture the characters and scenes for ourselves.
>
>------
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>aph...@microserve.net | underwear if they didn't have to."
>Co-Founder, ACETS | --Aphrael, "The Shining Ones"
>

It's too bad he won't make a movie. There was a nurse at my College
that would have been PERFECT for Polgara. She even had a natural
silver streak as described in the book (I wonder if Eddings knows
her... hmm).

Ah well, movies like this are usually better if they are animated.

John.

[Julian Sher]

jason...@lunatic.com (Jason Tamez) wrote:

>Mork to Orson! Come in, Orson! The earthling Slinky told me....
>S > Me and my friend has been arguing about how to pronounce various
>S > characterse in edding's books..

>S >
>S > Please contribute to what you feel is the correct pronunciation.
>S >
>S > Belgarath
>S > me - bell-GA-rith
>S > him - BELL-ger-rath

>him

>S > Geran
>S > me - JE-rn
>S > him- jer-RAN

>him

>S > UL
>S > me - YOU ELL
>S > him - ull

>him

>S > There are others that I can't recall right now. but it's something to
>S > talk about rather than the eddings vs. jordan thing..
>S >
>S > vote and give me your own opinions on how to pronounce correnctly

>I guess I don't agree with you. Of course, *I* went through the whole
>Belgariad calling Ctuchik "Chut-lick" until I took a close look at his
>name in the Malloreon. I now say "K'Choo-chick" if you can imagine what
>I'm trying to write. How do you all say this?

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I pronounce Ctuchick=ka-tu=chick

[Paul Mcmaster]

Eric Wu (Eric...@gnn.com) wrote:
: aph...@microserve.net (Aphrael) wrote:

: >Personally, I pronounce it k-TOO-chick. I had a similar experience to
: >yours, though, only mine was in the Elenium with Sephrenia. At fisrt
: >I was saying "sef-er-EE-na," then I got as far as Cammoria in TDT and
: >looked closely at it and noticed that I was putting in too many 'e's'.
: >So I started saying "sef-REE-na." Then, somehwere in the desert of

Me Too!! Actually, it isn't until now that i've "noticed" the 'i'!
I feel so silly now!!

: >Rendor, I looked at it even more closely and noticed the ' i ' beore

: >the final 'a.' So now I say "sef-REN-ee-a."

: chut-chik (Didn't bother worrying about grammar... or spelling. I feel more

: comfortable saying it that way.)
: sef-re-nee-ia (pretty sure about that one)
: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: Seph-re-nia -- ah close enough.

: -- Eric W. (http://members.gnn.com/EricW910/eric.htm)

Hmm.. this seems like a good opportunity to get some views on a debate my
dad and I have had for a while. Sure, I know there is no importance in the
way each of us pronounces a name, and we can't really say what is right or
wrong (unless we ask David himself.. I wonder if he has access to the net? :)
but I'm curious as to how others out there pronounce Garion...

Gari-on or Gar-i-on (as in Orion)
I pronounce it the latter way, my dad the former way

-Pilch

[Lord Jeff]

Disregarding the storm warnings, Andrew James Wallace wrote:

> Ce'nedra
>
> see-NEE-dra
>

I vote for: seh-NED-ra. My reasoning is as follows. Given that Eddings is
an English speaking author, I don't think he would write Nedra with an 'ed'
if he meant the long e sound - he probably would have written "Nidra". Unless
followed by a vowel, 'ed' almost always carries a short e sound.

Obviously one should pronounce the e in Ce'Nedra the same as the e in the God
Nedra and the Empire of Tolnedra. As for the first syllable of her name, we
are told that the "Ce" is a variant of the Dryad "X" (X'bel, etc.) I would
pronounce X'Nedra as "Sh-NED-ra". You can disagree, but however you pronounce
the X it would be difficult to get a long "e" sound out of it.

I also vote for Cyradis: Sy-RAY-dis , although I have no elegant rationale
for that one :)

Somebody should write to Eddings and ask how he would pronounce the names,
if he pronounces them at all.

-Jeff
--
Jeff Conti | "A woman is only a woman...but a good cigar is a
Amherst College '96 | *smoke*."
Opinions expressed are my | "So okay, I'm a conservative, what are you going
own, so tough noogies. | to do, shoot me?" *gunshot* *gunshot* *gunshot*

[Lord Jeff]

Here's my pronunciations:

Garion: GA-ree-un (short a)

Belgarath: Bel-GA-reth (short a)

Ctuchik: K'TOUCH-ik. I realize that the majority of fans seem to prefer the
long u, or to make the initial c silent. I think both of these views have
merit, but I still hear it the other way in my head when I read it.

Zakath: ZAK-ath

Geran: Geh-RAN. My reasoning is that the hard "g" would be traditional in
the family, otherwise I could see pronouncing it with the soft g.

[Aphrael]

mcma...@lion.cs.latrobe.edu.au (Paul Mcmaster) wrote:

>Hmm.. this seems like a good opportunity to get some views on a debate my
>dad and I have had for a while. Sure, I know there is no importance in the
>way each of us pronounces a name, and we can't really say what is right or
>wrong (unless we ask David himself.. I wonder if he has access to the net? :)
>but I'm curious as to how others out there pronounce Garion...

>Gari-on or Gar-i-on (as in Orion)
>I pronounce it the latter way, my dad the former way

I rponounce it GAR-ee-on. I'm sure we've all noticed that many names
in his family have the root "Gar" in them. The root comes originally
from the name of Belgarath's village, "Gara" Belgarath, you'll
remember, was orginally called "Garath." So I accent the "Gar"
syllable because it's the root syllable of the name.

And whoh says it's not important how we pronounce the names?
Personally, I think it's interesting to see how other people have been
hearing the characters' names and compare notes. Although I'll bet in
some cases even Eddings himself wouldn't be sure how to pronounce the
names.

------
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Co-Founder, ACETS

"Conservatives wouldn't even change their own underwear if they didn't have to."
--Aphrael, "The Shining Ones"

[Eric Wu]

>Hmm.. this seems like a good opportunity to get some views on a debate my
>dad and I have had for a while. Sure, I know there is no importance in the
>way each of us pronounces a name, and we can't really say what is right or
>wrong (unless we ask David himself.. I wonder if he has access to the net? :)
>but I'm curious as to how others out there pronounce Garion...

>Gari-on or Gar-i-on (as in Orion)
>I pronounce it the latter way, my dad the former way

>-Pilch

I'm afraid I'm going to have to go with your dad. When ever I read it, I
pronounce it as Gari-on. "on" as in onion. "Gari" as in Gary.

[Brianna472]

This just goes to show that the English language has major problems...
Unfortunately, only David (and possibly Leigh) could truly settle this
debate, and anyone want to make any bets on that???

[Chris Witham]

And would we listen? There have been a number of times that I've been
reading a book and then discovered that the pronunciation listed is
different than mine, and said "too bad" to the book. As different as
our pronunciations may be, most people aren't likely to change now,
especially after these characters have been around for so long.

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Chris Witham cwi...@engsoc.carleton.ca
http://www.engsoc.carleton.ca/~cwitham
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[Michael Slade]

Paul Mcmaster wrote:

[snip]

> but I'm curious as to how others out there pronounce Garion...
>
> Gari-on or Gar-i-on (as in Orion)
> I pronounce it the latter way, my dad the former way

Gar-e-on

[Specter]

Ok, I dont remember where I read this, but Ctuchick is pronounced
Thu-chick...almost like sutcher with a lisp.
-that also followed through for all those city names and stuff...Rak Cthol
or whatever would be Rack-Thal... The "c" is silent...at least that is
how I read somewhere that it was supposed to be.
for the rest-how i did it
Garion- GAR-ean (rhymes with carrion)
Polgara- (i did the POL part kinda in between Pole and Pull)
Geren- Gair-in
Ul- a gutteral kind of sound...not ALL and not Ell

[Jason Tamez]

Sam, Ziggy says you've leaped into Julian Sher....
JS>
JS> I pronounce Ctuchick=ka-tu=chick
JS>

I tried that for a while, but my lips kept screwing it up, so I
switched to K'Choo-chick, which is almost K'Too-chick if you say it
right (which I can, of course <g>)

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[Susan Amini]

I believe that it is Situchick.
q
Dn: world

Jason Tamez (jason...@lunatic.com) wrote:
: Sam, Ziggy says you've leaped into Julian Sher....

[Mark Dissington]

In article <4uuf0k$1...@ratty.wolfe.net>, Susan Amini <sam...@wolfe.net>
writes

I always pronounced in tur chick with a silent C.

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[Susan Amini]

Susan Amini (sam...@wolfe.net) wrote:
: I believe that it is Situchick.
: q
: Dn: world

: Jason Tamez (jason...@lunatic.com) wrote:
: : Sam, Ziggy says you've leaped into Julian Sher....
: : JS>
: : JS> I pronounce Ctuchick=ka-tu=chick
: : JS>

: : I tried that for a while, but my lips kept screwing it up, so I
: : switched to K'Choo-chick, which is almost K'Too-chick if you say it
: : right (which I can, of course <g>)

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Eddings was my first fantasy, so I may seem a little defensive about him.
I think that especially since WOT has become so popular, a lot of fantasy
readers, including former Eddings fans have started flaming him. Don't get
me wrong, I really like Jordan's stuff. I have only read three books in
the
WOT, but this is not because of lack of interest. I'm spacing the books
out, 1 book every 6 months. It's hard but satisfying. I haven't read any
Feist so maybe I shouldn't even be posting anything, BTW if anyone would
be so kind as to e-mail me a list of Feist's books, and the order in which
I should read them, I would be most thankfull. I think that people dislike
Eddings mainly because of the repetition of his serieses. However, I
believe that if you were to read each series individually, you would
recognize the value of each series. Jordan and Eddings are probably the
only two fantasy writers who don't make me feel like I'm reading a
ferrytale. Terry Brooks was okay, but the Magic Kingdom series was kind of
lame, especially Black Unicorn. What a dumb idea! Anthony is good for a
little bit of immidiate gratification. While I admit that Xanth is a
little bit childish, the Apprentice Adept series is not bad. I haven't
read the Incarnations of Immortality series yet, but have heard good
things. I
have just started reading Weis and Hickman's Deathgate Cycle and really
like it. I would highly recommend it. I haven't read anything by her, but
just by reading the bookjackets to some of her books, Katherine Kerr looks
like a children's writer. I know, I know, don't judge a book by it's
cover.
Tell that to Buchanan! Going back to my original point, I've noticed that
a lot of the people who say that Eddings is too simplistic, also criticize
the Maloreon and the Tamulie, which are about as suffisticated as Eddings
gets. I still don't think that Jordan has much political background as
Eddings does (forgive me if I'm wrong on this point. I'm judging this
based on the first three WOT books). I think that as far as fantasy
Jordan is superior, but as far as over-all enjoyment, Eddings, with is
fun charactors, comic relief, and awesome enemies is slightly better. This
has all been just my 2c. I don't want to start a flamewar.

Susan

[Kerryn]

sam...@wolfe.net (Susan Amini) wrote:

<snip snip>

> I haven't read anything by her, but
>just by reading the bookjackets to some of her books, Katherine Kerr looks
>like a children's writer. I know, I know, don't judge a book by it's
>cover.

WHAT????? OK so you acknowledge the absolute ridiculous foundation for
your statement, but still! I suggest you try reading one of her books.
I must say that coming from an Eddings fan (of which I am one) calling
Kerr a "children's writer" is a bit rich. I love Eddings too, but I
would not call him the most intellectual or adult writer I have come
across. Not that I saying Kerr is either, but she is *not* a
children's writer.

Sorry to be so cut, but "children's writer"? Sheesh.....

>Tell that to Buchanan! Going back to my original point, I've noticed that
>a lot of the people who say that Eddings is too simplistic, also criticize
>the Maloreon and the Tamulie, which are about as suffisticated as Eddings
>gets. I still don't think that Jordan has much political background as
>Eddings does (forgive me if I'm wrong on this point. I'm judging this
>based on the first three WOT books). I think that as far as fantasy
>Jordan is superior, but as far as over-all enjoyment, Eddings, with is
>fun charactors, comic relief, and awesome enemies is slightly better. This
>has all been just my 2c. I don't want to start a flamewar.

>Susan

Kerryn
Co-founder ACETS (Association for the Continuation of the Elenium/Tamuli Series)

[Aphrael]

On 16 Aug 1996 18:01:08 GMT, you wrote:

>Eddings was my first fantasy, so I may seem a little defensive about him.
>I think that especially since WOT has become so popular, a lot of fantasy
>readers, including former Eddings fans have started flaming him.

Well, a lot of those posts in that ever-tiresome "Who's the best?"
thread (And may the troll who started that thread get eaten by a real
Troll <EG>) are coming from the Jordan newsgroup where
Eddiongs-bashing seems to be a hobby. The trouble with that thread is
that it's cross-posted to several different fantasy newsgroups, and no
one seems to realize it.

I can't exactly say Eddings is my first fantasy, but it's the first
where I really got involved with it and couldn't put the books down.
I got into him this past spring at college, and I sat in the dining
hall for hours at a time inhaling the Elenium and Tamuli and the first
couple books of the Belgariad, and I almost never left my room without
an Eddings book in my pocket. I've exhausted the entire supply of
Eddigns books now, and I'm almost finished with my second full reading
of the Elen/Tam. I have the first WOT book, and you know what? I
can't bring myself to start it because I see what the Jordanites are
saying about Eddings!

>I should read them, I would be most thankfull. I think that people dislike
>Eddings mainly because of the repetition of his serieses. However, I
>believe that if you were to read each series individually, you would
>recognize the value of each series. Jordan and Eddings are probably the

Definitely! And the series aren't all that similar, either, if you
look beyond the simple plot description. The characters are
different, for one thing. I mean, for all that their roles might be
similar, how can anyone possibly think that Garion and Sparhawk are
exactly alike, or Polgara and Sephrenia, or Ehlana and Ce'Nedra, etc?
And the two worlds are VERY different. I mean, what Alorn would have
taken Ehlana seriously? Besides, history often repeats itself in real
life. I mean, going by what some people say, Eddings could very well
have designed World War I and II.

>Tell that to Buchanan! Going back to my original point, I've noticed that
>a lot of the people who say that Eddings is too simplistic, also criticize
>the Maloreon and the Tamulie, which are about as suffisticated as Eddings
>gets. I still don't think that Jordan has much political background as
>Eddings does (forgive me if I'm wrong on this point. I'm judging this
>based on the first three WOT books). I think that as far as fantasy
>Jordan is superior, but as far as over-all enjoyment, Eddings, with is
>fun charactors, comic relief, and awesome enemies is slightly better. This
>has all been just my 2c. I don't want to start a flamewar.

I think Eddings does a great job of setting up intricate political and
military situations, particularly in the Tamuli. In many ways, that
was actually my favorite Eddings' series. People criticize the Tamuli
because, as you already pointed out, they see only the similarities to
Eddings' previous series. And how can ANYONE say that the Malloreon
was a rewriting of the Belgariad??? I agree that the "Wait a minute,
the Belgariad was only a dress rehearsal, this is the REAL conflict"
thing was a bit implausible, but, hey, Eddings probably hadn't planned
carefully for a sequel. I thought the Malloreon did sort of plod
along at some points, but the Tamuli was quite intriguing. I
especially liked the character development carried over from the
Elenium. Like how Sephrenia seems almost asexual in the Elenium and
then we see her in the Tamuli and the second scene she's in, she's
pissed at Sparhawk because he interrupts her in the middle of the
unmentionable. <G>

As to what you said about fun characters and comic relief, I whole
heartedly agree. I'd always thought fantasy was dry and stuffy like
Tolkien tends to be, and that was what kept me away for so long. But
Eddings presents the characters as people we can picture ourselves
shooting the bull with, and that's what makes his work so awesome!

------
Aphrael
aph...@microserve.net
Co-Founder, ACETS

"Conservatives wouldn't even change their underwear if they didn't have to."
--Aphrael, "The Shining Ones"

[Paul Gunther]

Aphrael,

New Reader Paul here. I justed wanted to say that, before I became
interested in Eddings, I'd tried Brooks, Tolkien, Weis (whose Death Gate
is mildly interesting), and had never really become engrossed in quite
the way that Jordan's books grabbed me. Before Eddings, he was the only
fantasy author I would read. Mostly it was because of the characters and
the character development. Over the course of the seven volumes we've
had so far, Jordan has done a great job of evolving the characters, even
some of the minor ones, from the original castes. This is what makes the
books enjoyable to me. I've always thought that films are great for
their scenes, but books are great for their characters. "David
Copperfield"'s storm scene is the only scene from any novel I can
remember discussing in college (though in high school we got a lot of
mileage out of "Lord of the Flies"). To me, this is what makes both
Jordan and Eddings worth reading to me. I just like books with
interesting characters that are well-written. I don't care if it's
Dickens or Eddings, Faulkner or Feist (whom I have never read), Jordan
or Joyce, Turtledove or Tartt. I don't care if its fantasy or horror or
history or mystery. As long as its well-written. And Eddings and Jordan
are well-written, which is more than I can say for some of the other
science fiction and/or fantasy authors I've sampled over the years.
(Don't even get me started on Barbara Hambly.)
If you like well-written fantasy, try Jordan. There is some great
politics in there too, particularly in the later books, and some great
comedy once the characters get to know each other better and you get
adjusted to the way they speak.
But, as for now, it's Eddings or Joradn for me.

[Richard Rice]

In article <4v49t5$6...@harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au>, rlg...@pfs01.cc.monash.edu.au (Kerryn) says:
>
>sam...@wolfe.net (Susan Amini) wrote:
>
><snip snip>
>
>> I haven't read anything by her, but
>>just by reading the bookjackets to some of her books, Katherine Kerr looks
>>like a children's writer. I know, I know, don't judge a book by it's
>>cover.
>
>WHAT????? OK so you acknowledge the absolute ridiculous foundation for
>your statement, but still! I suggest you try reading one of her books.
>I must say that coming from an Eddings fan (of which I am one) calling
>Kerr a "children's writer" is a bit rich. I love Eddings too, but I
>would not call him the most intellectual or adult writer I have come
>across. Not that I saying Kerr is either, but she is *not* a
>children's writer.
>
>Sorry to be so cut, but "children's writer"? Sheesh.....
>

Kerr is no childrens writer...i LOVE her work, and this is coming from someone
who loves Tolkien...a VERY sophisticated writer!