Beldaran!
Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner
Why was she "Bel" when all the other sorcerous family's women were
"Pol"s?! This is really strange. I don't remember ever seeing an
explanation for that.
How come she died and stayed dead?
I'd *love* to read a sequel on her & Brand. :)
(beautiful tribute to her near the end, too...)
Scott
Michael Rosenberg
>Beldaran..... she is *so* mysterious! Only one cameo in 10 books!
>
>Why was she "Bel" when all the other sorcerous family's women were
>"Pol"s?! This is really strange. I don't remember ever seeing an
>explanation for that.
I've always felt it was simply a mistake on DE's part. I don't think there
are any deep thoughts or symbolism behind this, I think when he came up with
the name, he either hadn't yet thought of the 'meaning' behind Bel and Pol, or
he just slipped and the editors didn't catch it. Besides, Poldaran sounds
silly.
Or, even more likely....
If you want to look at it another way, the first female with the Pol name was
Poledra, and she was never a disciple (an official one, anyway). When the
twins were born Belgarath was stealing the orb and they were quite possibly
named as a combination of the names of their parents.
POLedra + belGARAth = Polgara
BELgarath + poleDRA is sort of a root for Beldaran
Belgarath said that Pol was the female version of Bel but as far as is ever
mentioned, there are only a grand total of two females to ever bear the name,
so who knows.
>How come she died and stayed dead?
Choice. She wanted to stay with her husband who she loved.
>I'd *love* to read a sequel on her & Brand. :)
A series of shortstories about the world, past, present, and future perhaps?
--Mike
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Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner
: >I'd *love* to read a sequel on her & Brand. :)
:
: A series of shortstories about the world, past, present, and future perhaps?
Not if it gets like the Dragonlance short stories -- crap published
to take advantage of the character's selling power and recognition.
Well done stories, by Eddings, would be nice.
Scott
IO1...@maine.maine.edu
Riva was the first King and Beldaran was his King.
I too would like to see Eddings write more about the History of his world.
There are many Places where a short story would be appropriate. Such as
the Stealing of the Orb by Cherek, his sons, and Belgarath, a story about
how Belgarath and Poledra meet, a story about the firts Gorim, and the list
goes on. He could even write a collection of short stories about post
Seeress of Kell, sure it wouldn't have any monumental epic Quests, but
think how neat a story about Pol, Durnik and their children would be; or
Garion's daily decsision making as king. Eddings is capable of all this.
Will he do it is another question.
X'leda
Belgariad MUSH
JON THUMIM
>>"Pol"s?! This is really strange. I don't remember ever seeing an
>>explanation for that.
>
>Poledra, and she was never a disciple (an official one, anyway). When the
>twins were born Belgarath was stealing the orb and they were quite possibly
>named as a combination of the names of their parents.
>
>POLedra + belGARAth = Polgara
>BELgarath + poleDRA is sort of a root for Beldaran
>
>Belgarath said that Pol was the female version of Bel but as far as is ever
>mentioned, there are only a grand total of two females to ever bear the name,
>so who knows.
>
first time. I believe that it is book 3. He says that Bel and Pol
are the prefixes given by his people, thuse the fact that only two
females bear that name.
>>How come she died and stayed dead?
>
>Choice. She wanted to stay with her husband who she loved.
>
She is not a sorceress.
P9B3000
>>>Why was she "Bel" when all the other sorcerous family's women were
>>>"Pol"s?! This is really strange. I don't remember ever seeing an
>>>explanation for that.
>>
>>If you want to look at it another way, the first female with the Pol name was
>>Poledra, and she was never a disciple (an official one, anyway). When the
>>twins were born Belgarath was stealing the orb and they were quite possibly
>>named as a combination of the names of their parents.
>>
>>POLedra + belGARAth = Polgara
>>BELgarath + poleDRA is sort of a root for Beldaran
>>
>>Belgarath said that Pol was the female version of Bel but as far as is ever
>>mentioned, there are only a grand total of two females to ever bear the name,
>>so who knows.
>>
>Belgarath explains this to Garion when they are in the Vale for the
>first time. I believe that it is book 3. He says that Bel and Pol
>are the prefixes given by his people, thuse the fact that only two
>females bear that name.
>
into their power. I doubt that all the sorcerors of the Vale
came from Belgarath's tribe. Since Polgara showed potential
when Belgarath touched her hair and it turned white, she would
have gained her "Pol" when she came into her power.
(Which, knowing Polgara, was probably early on in her life.)
Similar to Belgarath's name being Garath, Polgara's name is "Gara",
Until she moved a rock, or talked to birds, or whatever.
Since Beldaran had no power, Belgarath was free to name her whatever
he pleased. The "Bel" might have caused contention in some of the
other sorcerors in the Vale, but that's just the way Belgarath is
anyway. No one was going to mistake Beldaran for a male sorceror,
in any case.
>>>How come she died and stayed dead?
>>
>>Choice. She wanted to stay with her husband who she loved.
>>
>She is not a sorceress.
>
>
>
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Ah, but was Belderan a sorceress? In my opinion, she was related to
Belgarath and Polgara the same way Ce'Nedra is to Garion & co. --
associating with sorcerers, but not one herself. In that case, she
wouldn't use the "Pol" prefix. My personal opinion on the matter is
that Belgarath named her Beldaran in imagery of Aldur naming him
Belgarath. This would mean that Polgara might well have been Belgara,
had she not been a sorceress. Oh, well. interesting speculation!
Stephen Ollis
Let's not forget that Beldaran was originally a wolf! She learnt how to change
into the human form by observing Belgarath. Therefore, she had at least
some control of `The Will and the Word'... and so in fact was a sorceror.
Stevo...
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Oh and she did not marry Brand, she married Riva.
And she died.
william bradley ward
>In article <1992May23....@cs.unca.edu> mcm...@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes:
Speaking about Beldaran:
>>I'd *love* to read a sequel on her & Brand. :)
>>
Just noticed: I don't think Brand existed when Beldaran lived. Beldaran
was married to Riva Iron Grip, and started the line that eventually led
to Belgarion. After many generations, the Rivan line was nearly wiped out
by assassins. Prophecy had it that one last descendent of Riva survived
and therefore someone was nominated (supposedly by the Orb of Aldur) to
oversee the Rivan kindom until the Rivan line was restored. That someone
was named Brand.
Just a quick history lesson. :)
Karl Wieman
Lets set things straight...
Beldaran was NEVER a wolf...Poledra was !! Beldaran was Polgara's sister
(Twin ???). There is no indication that Beldaran was in any way/shape/form a
sorceress. I do agree that her name is misleading...why wasn't it Poldaran ?
Karl Wieman
kwi...@stern.nyu.edu
JON THUMIM
>
>Let's not forget that Beldaran was originally a wolf! She learnt how to change
>into the human form by observing Belgarath. Therefore, she had at least
>some control of `The Will and the Word'... and so in fact was a sorceror.
>
>Stevo...
You are so wrong. Beldaran is Polgara's twin sister. Poledra was
originally a wolf and learn to change to a human by observing
Belgarath.
Read your books carefully in order to understand all of these
characters.
Peace.
Jon
Halim F. Aljibury
on it...
O.k. The names of male sorcerers have a "Bel" prepended onto their name, and
female sorcerers have a "Pol" prepended. If a female has a "Bel" in front
of their name, then it is meaningless, because she isn't male. If she
were a sorcerer, then she would have a "Pol" in front, not "Bel"
So...Beldaran went and married Riva Iron-grip, lived out a normal life and died,
while Polgara and Poledra lived on as sorcerers.
--
"Sword-play is an odd thing; you don't really use your mind, it is much too fast
for that. Your wrist thinks and tells your feet and body what to do, bypassing
your brain - any thinking you do is for later."
Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner
Can someone tell me where it says Beldaran was *not* a sorceress?
(page numbers would be nice) I don't remember reading that.
I thought she was, she just chose to be with *Riva* (not Brand :))
instead of being a sorceress.
And "Bel" does not mean "Sorcerer" it just means "Beloved" --
any child of Belgaraths would sort of automatically
be beloved by Aldur, I'd think. "Pol" is like "Bel", Belgarath says.
No where does it *explicitly* state gender.
Scott
Phillip Wade Yarrington
>
>Lets set things straight...
>
>Beldaran was NEVER a wolf...Poledra was !! Beldaran was Polgara's sister
>(Twin ???). There is no indication that Beldaran was in any way/shape/form a
>sorceress. I do agree that her name is misleading...why wasn't it Poldaran ?
>
As has been pointed out before, Beldaran was not "Pol"daran because
she was not a sorceress. The "Pol" for the women and the "Bel" for
the men was not added to the persons name until after demonstrating
The Will and the Word. I think the "Bel" on her name was just there
to link her name to Belgarath. I don't think anyone would have had to
worry about mistaking her for a male sorcerer.
-Phil
Kintair of Hawkehaven MKA Bill Hately
Where do you come up with Poledra being a sorceress????? She has the Ability
to change shape, as does Barak. She has some powers because she was the Child
of light for a while, and because she has infinite patience. She is *Pol*edra
because when she took human form that was the name she decided to take. If you
think back to Garion and Belgaraths conversation in the Vale Belgarath was
surprised to discover the wolf had been with him for a thousand years when he
asked her how that was possible she said "Whats time to a wolf" and that they
(wolves) lived as long as they needed to (therefor she obviously still needs
to be alive :) ) Sorry if I sound like i'm Flaming you it's not on purpose
Bill
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Phillip Wade Yarrington
No offense taken. I just assumed that because she could change her
own shape (a skill that she learned from Belgarath) and she lived a
loooong time, that she had the Will and the Word. Maybe not though,
it never states expicitly what her powers are. Belgarath does state,
however, that in order to be a sorcerer (or sorceress), just means
that one can use the Will and the Word.
-Phil
Phillip Wade Yarrington
>I meant Riva, not Brand -- where was that character list again?
>
>Can someone tell me where it says Beldaran was *not* a sorceress?
>(page numbers would be nice) I don't remember reading that.
>I thought she was, she just chose to be with *Riva* (not Brand :))
>instead of being a sorceress.
was known that she was a sorceress. This never happened with
Beldaran, but I don't think it is ever stated one way or another
whether she is a sorceress or not.
>
>And "Bel" does not mean "Sorcerer" it just means "Beloved" --
>any child of Belgaraths would sort of automatically
>be beloved by Aldur, I'd think. "Pol" is like "Bel", Belgarath says.
>No where does it *explicitly* state gender.
Does it actually say in the books that "Bel" stands for beloved? I
don't remember that. I thought that when Polgara was explaining the
stuff about names to Garion, she said that Bel was added to his name
only AFTER he showed himself as a sorcerer. In the same way,
Belgarath's original name was Garath. You are right, though, I don't
recall any expicit statement of gender going with Pol or Bel.
>
>Scott
-phil
Kintair of Hawkehaven MKA Bill Hately
really want me to start digging up page numbers :( (once again it's i the Vale I
think but not pos.) :) )
However I agree the Bel does mean beloved, and besides way back then Belgarath
could make up his own rules anyway - who'd argue??
Ron Bruce
Perhaps it is not Poldaran because Pol- is a prefix for those who have
control of the Will and the Word. One of the prologues says that
Polgara was chosen for a task and her twin sister, Beldaran, was chosen for
a different task, to marry Brand. Since Beldaran was not a Sorcerer, she
was not eligible for the prefix Pol-.
Just my bit-and-a-half.
brucer
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Ron Bruce
>In article <1992May28.1...@cs.unca.edu>, mcm...@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes:
>>I meant Riva, not Brand -- where was that character list again?
>>
>>Can someone tell me where it says Beldaran was *not* a sorceress?
>>(page numbers would be nice) I don't remember reading that.
>>I thought she was, she just chose to be with *Riva* (not Brand :))
>>instead of being a sorceress.
>>
>>And "Bel" does not mean "Sorcerer" it just means "Beloved" --
>>any child of Belgaraths would sort of automatically
>>be beloved by Aldur, I'd think. "Pol" is like "Bel", Belgarath says.
>>No where does it *explicitly* state gender.
>>
>>Scott
>Actually Belgarath does say that in his tribe Pol was the female term (do you
>really want me to start digging up page numbers :( (once again it's i the Vale I
>think but not pos.) :) )
>However I agree the Bel does mean beloved, and besides way back then Belgarath
>could make up his own rules anyway - who'd argue??
>
>Kintair of Hawkehaven | Bill Hately | Talk (403) 381-1741
I think that both people are correct. In two different conversations,
Belgarath says that members of his tribe have Bel- if they are males
and Pol- if they are females. In another conversation, Belgarath says
that Bel- means 'Beloved'. *I* think that there haven't been many people
eligible for his tribe in a long time.
Here are some of *MY* thoughts on this thread:
Belgarion is the most recent addition to the tribe (direct descendants of
Belgarath) and was given the Bel-.
Perhaps only those who are related (spiritually as well) are given the
Bel- or Pol- (Kira, Tira, Din(?), Sambar, Makor, Zedar (kind of), Garion,
Garath, Gara, Dera(?), but not Durnik (not yet anyway), Senji, Urvon (ugh!),
or Ctuchik (ooh, imagine that spelling: Belctuchik, choke...)).
Belgarath at one time said that everyone has the ability to use The Will
and The Word, but nowadays he thinks that the human race has lost
something that gives an individual the ability to use The Will and The Word.
As for Beldaran, I don't think that she was endowed with the Will and The
Word. Or at least as much as Polgara was, and since she was not destined to be long lived, she was not given the Pol-. Since she was from Belgarath's
tribe, he could have given her the Bel- to signify that she was of his
tribe, but not a sorceress.
As for Poledra, after reading all of the books, I get the feeling that
she must be endowed with The Will and The Word. She just appears out of
nowhere to aid the party, is seen with the telltale blue nimbus around her
(more than once, too), can change forms, and has lived for quite a long time.
I know that Barak can change shape, and he is not a sorcerer, but I think
that his shape changing can be attributed to the little voice that visits
Garion from time to time. It is an involuntary change, don't forget.
Ahhh, methinks my rambling hath eluded reasonable limits.
Well, please keep in mind that these are all my *opinions*, okay?
Garrett Hartzog
McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes:
short stories gave a glimpse of what happens after Raistlin's imprisonment in
the abyss. The one problem with short stories about the Belgariad and such is
that there are no really exotic races. I really doubt I'd be interested in new
characters introduced in short stories because all of the REALLY interesting
characters are in the Belgariad and the Mallorean.
Garrett Hartzog
ghar...@terapin.com
Rick Busser
servant on Aldur not just a sorceror. Senji was a sorceror and
he didn't have a 'Bel' in front of his name. All the grolims were
sorcerors as well.
Of course I haven't read the books in a while so I may be really off base
here.
Michael Kantor
>>>Beldaran was NEVER a wolf...Poledra was !! Beldaran was Polgara's sister
>>>(Twin ???). There is no indication that Beldaran was in any way/shape/form a
>>>sorceress. I do agree that her name is misleading...why wasn't it Poldaran ?
One does NOT become the child of light without first being a sorcerer. Even
Errand became a sorcerer of sorts long before becoming the child of light.
You can't change your shape without being a sorcerer. Baraks shape changing
was not under his control, he changed whether or not he knew that Garion was
in danger.
Michael
william bradley ward
>I meant Riva, not Brand -- where was that character list again?
>
>Can someone tell me where it says Beldaran was *not* a sorceress?
>(page numbers would be nice) I don't remember reading that.
>I thought she was, she just chose to be with *Riva* (not Brand :))
>instead of being a sorceress.
>
Beldaran did not choose to be with Riva, Belgarath had to choose between her
and Polgara. Sorry to be picky :)
Karyn Lynn
>In article <1992May28.1...@cs.unca.edu>, mcm...@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes:
>>I meant Riva, not Brand -- where was that character list again?
>>
>>Can someone tell me where it says Beldaran was *not* a sorceress?
>>(page numbers would be nice) I don't remember reading that.
>>I thought she was, she just chose to be with *Riva* (not Brand :))
>>instead of being a sorceress.
>>
>>And "Bel" does not mean "Sorcerer" it just means "Beloved" --
>>any child of Belgaraths would sort of automatically
>>be beloved by Aldur, I'd think. "Pol" is like "Bel", Belgarath says.
>>No where does it *explicitly* state gender.
>>
>>Scott
>Actually Belgarath does say that in his tribe Pol was the female term (do you
>really want me to start digging up page numbers :( (once again it's i the Vale I
>think but not pos.) :) )
>However I agree the Bel does mean beloved, and besides way back then Belgarath
>could make up his own rules anyway - who'd argue??
>
stated by Belgarath that Aldur changed is name from Garath to Belgarath. I
also remember the scene where Belgarath explains that Pol and Bel are
added to the names of sorcerers(sp), but I also thought it had to do with
being a disciple of Aldur as well. I can't remember the exact page numbers but
it was when the group go to the Vale and Garion tries to use The Will and the
Word on the boulder.
Anyone else remember this?
K.
Karyn Lynn
Belzedar) is described as looking a lot like Belgarath. Belgarath
attributes this to them both being disciples of Aldur. Also, Belgarath
says that Aldur gave him the name Belgarath after he'd lived in the vale
for awhile, I think at the time that he first used The Will and the Word.
K.
P9B3000
>I meant Riva, not Brand -- where was that character list again?
>
>Can someone tell me where it says Beldaran was *not* a sorceress?
>(page numbers would be nice) I don't remember reading that.
>I thought she was, she just chose to be with *Riva* (not Brand :))
>instead of being a sorceress.
>
in her hair was caused by her father touching it when he first
saw her, marking her as a sorceress. Polgara's childhood name would
have been "Gara", until she came into her power (Demonstrated
the Will and the Word.) The Bel might mean "Beloved", but it's
used for the disciples of Aldur. Note that they didn't name Senji
"Belsenji". He wasn't connected at all to Aldur or the Vale.
I'd imagine that Durnik's "official" name is Beldurnik now, but
I don't think you'll hear anyone call him that.
>And "Bel" does not mean "Sorcerer" it just means "Beloved" --
>any child of Belgaraths would sort of automatically
>be beloved by Aldur, I'd think. "Pol" is like "Bel", Belgarath says.
>No where does it *explicitly* state gender.
>
No, but it can be safely inferred that Bel is for guys and Pol is
for girls. Beldaran wasn't a sorceress. She wasn't "marked" in
they way sorcerers are (Polgara's hair, Garion's hand, Belgarath's
mark over his heart, etc.). If she WAS a sorceress, she would still
be alive. (Note that she could still talk to her beloved Riva
if she was still a sorceress. Polgara talks to Beldaran all the time.)
The other sorcerers(sp) who "died" destroyed themselves completely.
"Be Not!" (which would effetively destroy your soul as well.)
>Scott
>.
Dan Fleet fle...@acad1.csd.unbsj.ca
>.
P9B3000
>
>>>>Beldaran was NEVER a wolf...Poledra was !! Beldaran was Polgara's sister
>>>>(Twin ???). There is no indication that Beldaran was in any way/shape/form a
>>>>sorceress. I do agree that her name is misleading...why wasn't it Poldaran ?
>
>One does NOT become the child of light without first being a sorcerer. Even
>Errand became a sorcerer of sorts long before becoming the child of light.
Obviously, this is not true. If all Children of Light were sorcerors,
there would be more of them alive, as opposed to just Belgarion and,
Poledra. (And now, Eriond). No Where does it say that a Child of Light
must be able to use the Will and the Word. Remember, there were
Children of Light even before Belgarath (the old guy) was born.
(Ask the Seers at Kell...THEY know.. (grin))
>You can't change your shape without being a sorcerer. Baraks shape changing
>was not under his control, he changed whether or not he knew that Garion was
>in danger.
>
>Michael
>
>.
Dan Fleet
>.
P9B3000
>In article <1992May28.1...@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>,
>pw...@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Phillip Wade Yarrington) writes:
>>In article <26...@sales.GBA.NYU.EDU> kwi...@sales.GBA.NYU.EDU
>(Karl Wieman) writes:
>>>
>>>Lets set things straight...
>>>
>>>Beldaran was NEVER a wolf...Poledra was !! Beldaran was Polgara's sister
>>>(Twin ???). There is no indication that Beldaran was in any way/shape/form a
>>>sorceress. I do agree that her name is misleading...why wasn't it Poldaran ?
>>>
>>
>>As has been pointed out before, Beldaran was not "Pol"daran because
>>she was not a sorceress. The "Pol" for the women and the "Bel" for
>>the men was not added to the persons name until after demonstrating
>>The Will and the Word. I think the "Bel" on her name was just there
>>to link her name to Belgarath. I don't think anyone would have had to
>>worry about mistaking her for a male sorcerer.
>>
>>-Phil
>>
>
>Where do you come up with Poledra being a sorceress????? She has the Ability
>to change shape, as does Barak. She has some powers because she was the Child
>of light for a while, and because she has infinite patience. She is *Pol*edra
>because when she took human form that was the name she decided to take. If you
Poledra IS a sorceress. She uses the Will and the Word quite extensivel
(reread the encounter at The Place That Is No More again. Those
powers are not just because she was the Child of Light. Even if they
are, they make her a sorceress. Also, Aldur could have given her
a human name.
>Bill
>
>Kintair of Hawkehaven | Bill Hately | Talk (403) 381-1741
>Shire of Windwyrm | Lethbridge AB | proct_...@hg.uleth.ca
>Crown Principality of Avacal | Canada | Smile Dammit
>An Tir (I knew I spelled it wrong)
>
>Life is a Sexually Transmitted Terminal Condition
Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner
: I just reread the series while on vacation last week and it is explicitely
: also remember the scene where Belgarath explains that Pol and Bel are
: added to the names of sorcerers(sp), but I also thought it had to do with
: being a disciple of Aldur as well. I can't remember the exact page numbers but
: it was when the group go to the Vale and Garion tries to use The Will and the
: Word on the boulder.
:
: Anyone else remember this?
I remember that the Bel was added because Belgarath became a deciple
of Aldur, *not* because he was a sorcerer! That came later.
Scott
scott eric cantor
>In article <26...@sales.GBA.NYU.EDU> kwi...@sales.GBA.NYU.EDU (Karl Wieman) writes:
>>
>As has been pointed out before, Beldaran was not "Pol"daran because
>she was not a sorceress. The "Pol" for the women and the "Bel" for
>the men was not added to the persons name until after demonstrating
>The Will and the Word. I think the "Bel" on her name was just there
>
>
If I remember correctly, the prefixes are not directly related to the Will and
the Word. Technically, they signify that one is a disciple of Aldur. Perhaps
sorcery is an absolute requirement for such a position, but then again, maybe
not. It's a technicality, but the whole discussion is pretty much a technical-
ity, so I thought I'd mention it.
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>In article <1992May28.2...@honte.uleth.ca> proct_...@hg.uleth.ca
writes:
>>In article <1992May28.1...@cs.unca.edu>, mcm...@cs.unca.edu
ever really tells us). I was assuming that the blue nimbus was more a gift from
Aldur to protect her then her own innate ability. And I was attributing her
shape ch.... Never mind I just backed myself into a corner ( I was about to
say she could change shape because of her Intelligence, patience and ...WILL..)
...Oh the vagrancies of the mind ... I agree that Baraks shape changing is
involuntary, Question though I remember reading That someone helped him, was it
the Prophacy or Belar?? (I think I'm going to have to rere....reread the series
so I don't stick my foot in my mouth again)
See ya all later
Bill
Kintair of Hawkehaven | Bill Hately | Talk (403) 381-1741
P9B3
No, It's the other way around as I remember it. Belgarath was
Aldur's virtual slave when first rescued, then, Belgarath discovered
the Will and the Word (moved the boulder), and THENafter proving
himself, Aldur made him a disciple.
(We need to get Mr. Eddings a line to the Net
He could answer these questions.)
Dan Fleet
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Phillip Wade Yarrington
>In article <1992May28.1...@cs.unca.edu> mcm...@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes:
>>I meant Riva, not Brand -- where was that character list again?
>>
>>Can someone tell me where it says Beldaran was *not* a sorceress?
>>(page numbers would be nice) I don't remember reading that.
>>I thought she was, she just chose to be with *Riva* (not Brand :))
>>instead of being a sorceress.
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>Guardian of the Orb, Pg. 70, it says that Polgara's white streak
>in her hair was caused by her father touching it when he first
>saw her, marking her as a sorceress. Polgara's childhood name would
>have been "Gara", until she came into her power (Demonstrated
>the Will and the Word.) The Bel might mean "Beloved", but it's
>used for the disciples of Aldur. Note that they didn't name Senji
>"Belsenji". He wasn't connected at all to Aldur or the Vale.
>I'd imagine that Durnik's "official" name is Beldurnik now, but
>I don't think you'll hear anyone call him that.
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I remember that Pol's white streak came about when Belgarath touched a
lock of her hair, but I didn't think that Belgarath actually turned
her into a sorceress. I don't think he would have the power to do
that. If he did, why wouldn't he turn other people such as Barak,
Silk, Mandorallen, etc. into sorcerers? When he touched her hair and
it turned white, I think that just showed that she had the power, it
didn't give it to her.
Question: Pol has a white lock of hair, and Garion has the orb mark
on his hand, do you think that all of the sorcerers have some
distinguishing feature? If so, what would Belgarath's be?
Still Rambling on ...
-phil
Stephen Joseph Smith
>I'd imagine that Durnik's "official" name is Beldurnik now, but
>I don't think you'll hear anyone call him that.
...but who else waited and waited and waited through the Malloreon to hear
that name being used? It rolls nicely off the tongue, especially as
Bel'-dur-nik rather than Bel-dur'-nik. (Assuming Dur'-nik is the correct
pronunciation.) Compare Gar'-ath and Bel'-gar-ath (again, these
pronunciations are solely from my head, but they SOUND good to me.)
-=+=- Stephen Joseph Smith
<sjs...@cs.umd.edu>
Stephen Joseph Smith
>kan...@cs.washington.edu (Michael Kantor) writes:
>>One does NOT become the child of light without first being a sorcerer. Even
>>Errand became a sorcerer of sorts long before becoming the child of light.
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>Obviously, this is not true. If all Children of Light were sorcerors,
>there would be more of them alive, as opposed to just Belgarion and,
>Poledra. (And now, Eriond). No Where does it say that a Child of Light
>must be able to use the Will and the Word. Remember, there were
>Children of Light even before Belgarath (the old guy) was born.
>(Ask the Seers at Kell...THEY know.. (grin))
Brand (the one who fought with Torak at the Battle of Vo Mimbre) was
also a Child of Light, of course, as I believe is clearly stated in
_Castle of Wizardry_, when Garion has gotten down the Mrin Codex from
the library and Belgarath is telling him what it means.
(My books are at home in Pennsylvania as my little brother is reading
them, so I can't check exactly, but it should be pretty easy to find.)
Kintair of Hawkehaven MKA Bill Hately
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>I remember that Pol's white streak came about when Belgarath touched a
>lock of her hair, but I didn't think that Belgarath actually turned
>her into a sorceress. I don't think he would have the power to do
>that. If he did, why wouldn't he turn other people such as Barak,
>Silk, Mandorallen, etc. into sorcerers? When he touched her hair and
>it turned white, I think that just showed that she had the power, it
>didn't give it to her.
>
>Question: Pol has a white lock of hair, and Garion has the orb mark
>on his hand, do you think that all of the sorcerers have some
>distinguishing feature? If so, what would Belgarath's be?
>
>Still Rambling on ...
>-phil
He didn't turn her into a Sorceress, when he touched her hair and the lock
turned white it showed that she had the potential to become a sorceress (It's
in one of the prologs somewhere)
Beldaran was not similarly marked and therefor didn't have the potential. When
Pol was talking to Garion once (no I don't know exactly where) they had just
this discussion and Pol said that Belgaraths mark was on his Chest somewhere
(to bad we didn't "see" it when he turned into a salmon
Kintair of Hawkehaven MKA Bill Hately
Actually in Seeress?? I think they said Poledra was CoL (I didn't even know
she was there, as she wasn't mentioned previously (I thought like you Brand was
CoL at the time)) I agree with whoever posted the other message we need DE here
there are inconsistancies we need cleared up!!