Is Garion immortal like Belgarath???
CrY4HeLP
Belgarath is. Can anyone enlighten me on this.....and...if he is an immortal
then what abot Ce'Nedra.....or is Rand just gonna grow old and die. My logic
is that since he's got the Word and the Will...just like the rest of Aldur's
deciples...therefore he should be an immortal just like them. So what's
everyone's take on this?
Danae
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>Read the whole series and still wondering whether Garion is an immortal like
>Belgarath is. Can anyone enlighten me on this.....and...if he is an immortal
>then what abot Ce'Nedra.....or is Rand just gonna grow old and die. My logic
>is that since he's got the Word and the Will...just like the rest of Aldur's
>deciples...therefore he should be an immortal just like them. So what's
>everyone's take on this?
Well, personally, I see 2 likely possibilities:
a) Garion's lifespan gets extended to about the same as Ce'Nedra's, due to her
dryad-ness.
b) Ce'Nedra's lifespan gets reduced to that of a normal person, and they both
live normal length lives.
TBH, though, I don't think b) is particularly likely, simply because after all
G has done for the universe, he deserves *some* reward. Plus, reducing Ce's
life isn't particularly fair after all she's been through, so, really, it's
just a). :-)
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PhoenixAJS wrote in message ...
<snip bit about garion/ce's immortalness>
I guess it all depends on your point of view.
1. People in Belgaria live as long as they need to - assuming they are more
than bit-parts.
2. Sorcerers live long lives by definition.
3. Garion is a sorcerer.
So far, I suspect there is little arguement. Right, contention time.
4. Ce'Nedra, as well as being dryad and living as long as her tree, could
either
a. be adopted by the tree in the vale <not really a goer>
b. be perceived as a sorceress herself.
Shock!! Horror!!
Well, maybe, but she can use Beldaran's amulet, and call it what you will,
_normal_ people can't. Yes, you could say she merely 'borrowed' the power,
but then, power can't be taken back once given - Rhodar, I think - and
besides, Aldur said marriage is a joining of _equals_.
So, chew that over for a bit.
Sharn.
LOL!! I just noticed ... chew it for a bit !!!
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Teut
dot.net> writes
>Well, maybe, but she can use Beldaran's amulet, and call it what you will,
>_normal_ people can't.
Prove that.
Ce' is *not* a sorceress and any ordinary person could have used
Beldarans amulet. Beldaran herself used it and she was not a sorceress
of any description.
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Teut wrote in message <3GhgXDAG0nF2Ew$C...@thebusstop.demon.co.uk>...
>Ce' is *not* a sorceress and any ordinary person could have used
>Beldarans amulet. Beldaran herself used it and she was not a sorceress
>of any description.
>
hair at a (very) early age. So did my father. I rest my case.
Arthur.
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Eponine
>but then, power can't be taken back once given - Rhodar, I think - and
>besides, Aldur said marriage is a joining of _equals_.
This seems to me to bring up another question...if Beldaran had not been
sent to Riva, how long would she have lived? She was not a sorceress, but
on the other hand she was Belgarath's daughter and someone whom Aldur loved.
Would her lifetime also have been extended? I seem to recall something
about Belgarath saying a person lived as long as they needed to
live...perhaps its not just about sorcery at all...
Eponine
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Yanek
Sat, 3 Oct 1998 17:46:55 +0100 the following news from Sharn-Mes to my
ears:
> 4. Ce'Nedra, as well as being dryad and living as long as her tree, could
> either
>
> a. be adopted by the tree in the vale <not really a goer>
^^^^^^^^^^
Hey! That's GOOD! Earlier people had the idea that maybe the
tree in the vale _was_ Cennie's tree, which is quite obviously false,
but this turn is nice indeed. After all, the vale-tree /does/ like
Ce'Nedra... I like it, truly.
> b. be perceived as a sorceress herself.
Hrm... a) is better!
> Well, maybe, but she can use Beldaran's amulet, and call it what you will,
> _normal_ people can't.
Couldn't Beldaran as well???
> Yes, you could say she merely 'borrowed' the power,
> but then, power can't be taken back once given
Ah, the power of the amulet _can't_ be taken once given... Much
to the chagrin (sp?) of Cennie, when she discovered she couldn't take
off the amulett.
Yanek.
Sharn-Mes
Sharn-Mes
Titania wrote in message <3616a...@clarion.carno.net.au>...
>>Ce' is *not* a sorceress and any ordinary person could have used
>>Beldarans amulet. Beldaran herself used it and she was not a sorceress
>>of any description.
>
Toots, Beldaran (in PtS) was said to be a sorceress. That's why _everybody_
loved her!
Arthur.
Titania
>>_normal_ people can't.
>
>
>Ce' is *not* a sorceress and any ordinary person could have used
>Beldarans amulet. Beldaran herself used it and she was not a sorceress
>of any description.
Come on, you're telling me that someone could be a child of Belgarath and
Poledra, twin sister to Polgara, and not have ANY special talents
whatsoever?
Why don't I believe you?
Titania.
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Jaycey
>>Well, maybe, but she can use Beldaran's amulet, and call it what you will,
>>_normal_ people can't.
>
>Prove that.
>
>Ce' is *not* a sorceress and any ordinary person could have used
>Beldarans amulet. Beldaran herself used it and she was not a sorceress
>of any description.
Ah, but he has what is at least an interesting point; that marriage
is a joining of equals, especially where sorcery is concerned. Belgarath
says, at the end of the Belgariad, that no marriage can survive such an
inequality. To Garion. :)
I just wonder if TE realised how embarrassing that remark should
have been...
Jaycey... {:->
AFAIC, Garion will live until Ce` and her tree die, gradually growing
old at the same rate she does. Likewise Pol will get to grow old (still
looking devastatingly beautiful) ;) and pass away peacefully in her
sleep with Durnik. The other sorcerers will pass out of the world just
before Pol; and a short while after, Belgarath will disappear into the
mountains in the company of a jolly old man in a rickety cart, and never
be seen again...
Well, that's how I imagine it.
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Jonathan Amery
might have written - I think:
> AFAIC, Garion will live until Ce` and her tree die, gradually growing
> old at the same rate she does. Likewise Pol will get to grow old (still
> looking devastatingly beautiful) ;) and pass away peacefully in her
> sleep with Durnik. The other sorcerers will pass out of the world just
> before Pol; and a short while after, Belgarath will disappear into the
> mountains in the company of a jolly old man in a rickety cart, and never
> be seen again...
You've been reading too much Tolkein...
Senji.
Titania
>Read the whole series and still wondering whether Garion is an immortal
like
>Belgarath is. Can anyone enlighten me on this.....and...if he is an
immortal
>then what abot Ce'Nedra.....or is Rand just gonna grow old and die. My
logic
>is that since he's got the Word and the Will...just like the rest of
Aldur's
>deciples...therefore he should be an immortal just like them. So what's
>everyone's take on this?
Just a thought I just had:
Belgarath said (I think) that they live as long as they have to.
What they were supposed to do is over. The prophecies are all done with
them.
Hence, they can now grow old and die.
This seems to hint to me that, in fact, Garion will die before Ce'Nedra,
since she has her Dryad blood to keep her young and spritely, whereas the
purpose that once stopped Garion's clock slowing down has now disappeared.
And, of course, Belgarath's got about ten years left to go.
I know it's not a very happy-ending, David-Eddings type thought, but there
you go. That's what the evidence says to me.
Titania
Aquarius
<filmaker(NOSPAM)@pacific.net.sg> wrote:
>Read the whole series and still wondering whether Garion is an immortal like
>Belgarath is. Can anyone enlighten me on this.....and...if he is an immortal
>then what abot Ce'Nedra.....or is Rand just gonna grow old and die. My logic
>is that since he's got the Word and the Will...just like the rest of Aldur's
>deciples...therefore he should be an immortal just like them. So what's
>everyone's take on this?
Rand?
Shurely shome mishtake?
We've had this discussion before......try a quick grep of Dejanews,
otherwise we'll have to go over it all again :-)
Aquarius - anyone want to write up 'immortal Garion' issues for the
nvFAQ?
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Toth
> Ah, but he has what is at least an interesting point; that marriage
>is a joining of equals, especially where sorcery is concerned. Belgarath
>says, at the end of the Belgariad, that no marriage can survive such an
>inequality. To Garion. :)
>
> I just wonder if TE realised how embarrassing that remark should
>have been...
But Ce'Nedra is probably the most powerful woman in the world. Garion
would do anything to make her happy, and with that she has power to
equal or exceed Garion's.
The only limitation on this is that she loves Garion too much to ever
manipulate him to a degree where he hurts himself or someone she
loves...
This idea doesn't sound so good now that I've written it down.
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Poledra
Titania <e315...@bohm.anu.edu.au> wrote:
> Come on, you're telling me that someone could be a child of Belgarath and
> Poledra, twin sister to Polgara, and not have ANY special talents
> whatsoever?
Wasn't her particular talent to be loved? She didn't seem able to do
anything -consciously-, but subconsciously she attracted love.
Additionally, the talent for sorcery was in her genes and passed down
through her descendents, but recessively (apart from their all being good
at whatever they did) until Garion, who was the one predestined to have it
popping up to affect his life. (Like the child of black-haired parents who
turns out to be a red-head, and they can't work out why till grandfather
remembers that -his- grandmother had flaming red hair.)
Poledra
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Sharn-Mes wrote in message <6v685b$8m2$1...@epos.tesco.net>...
>>>Beldarans amulet. Beldaran herself used it and she was not a sorceress
>>>of any description.
>>
>
_everybody_
>loved her!
>
>
i would have thought that a prerequistite to being termed a
sorcerer/sorceress was to have the ability to se the Will and the Word, to
manipulate the power that Belgarath told Garion was within everybody. Just
to have a latent power isn't to be a sorcerer, something i believe Belgarath
pointed out to Barak at the start of Magician's Gambit.
g.
ps - toots????
Yanek
ears:
> Yanek wrote in message <362099a2...@news.uni-hamburg.de>...
> >Yanek.
>
> QED ?
Huh?
Yanek...
Aquarius
wrote:
>In article <3616a...@clarion.carno.net.au>,
> Titania <e315...@bohm.anu.edu.au> wrote:
>
>
>> Come on, you're telling me that someone could be a child of Belgarath and
>> Poledra, twin sister to Polgara, and not have ANY special talents
>> whatsoever?
>
>Wasn't her particular talent to be loved? She didn't seem able to do
>anything -consciously-, but subconsciously she attracted love.
>
>Additionally, the talent for sorcery was in her genes and passed down
>through her descendents, but recessively (apart from their all being good
>at whatever they did) until Garion, who was the one predestined to have it
>popping up to affect his life. (Like the child of black-haired parents who
>turns out to be a red-head, and they can't work out why till grandfather
>remembers that -his- grandmother had flaming red hair.)
And she had the amulet.
Now, one could claim that Belgarath made the amulet with the
clairaudient power; he does, after all, demonstrate that he can do
that (since he says that he taught Zedar to do it, in PoP)(and then
never uses it! why?) but I tend to the theory that Beldaran activates
it, on some subconscious level.
This is on-topic :-)
Aquarius
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Jaycey
>> AFAIC, Garion will live until Ce` and her tree die, gradually growing
>> old at the same rate she does. Likewise Pol will get to grow old (still
>> looking devastatingly beautiful) ;) and pass away peacefully in her
>> sleep with Durnik. The other sorcerers will pass out of the world just
>> before Pol; and a short while after, Belgarath will disappear into the
>> mountains in the company of a jolly old man in a rickety cart, and never
>> be seen again...
>
> You've been reading too much Tolkein...
Nah, Tolkien (sp? I *think*... hold on... checks friend's copy of
LotR... yup, knew it looked better that way-)
Tolkien, he was a gloomy old chap. People in RL rarely die of old
age together, so neither do his characters: the survivor gets to pine
away, thus proving their undying devotion. (Yes, I do have a specific
pair in mind, but the principle holds...)
Jaycey... {:->
Eponine
>anything -consciously-, but subconsciously she attracted love.
Speaking of Beldaran, this probably makes me an evil wicked person or
something, but she actually irritated the hell out of me. She was
manipulative as anything, especially with Polgara, without having the 'yes
I'm manipulating you, I never claimed to be nice' air about her that other
characters have...it always seemed more along the lines of 'yes I'm
manipulating you, but I'm so wonderful you'll put up with it and I know it'.
I wouldn't go so far as to say I was actually glad when she died but the
only reason it bothered me was because it upset the other characters...I
wasn't sorry to see her go.
Kamion
> AFAIC, Garion will live until Ce` and her tree die, gradually growing
> old at the same rate she does. Likewise Pol will get to grow old (still
> looking devastatingly beautiful) ;) and pass away peacefully in her
> sleep with Durnik. The other sorcerers will pass out of the world just
> before Pol; and a short while after, Belgarath will disappear into the
> mountains in the company of a jolly old man in a rickety cart, and never
> be seen again...
>
> Well, that's how I imagine it.
*sniff* The perfect ending ... beautiful.
Thank you, Jaycey. :-)
Kamion
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Kamion
> Read the whole series and still wondering whether Garion is an immortal like
> Belgarath is. Can anyone enlighten me on this.....and...if he is an immortal
> then what abot Ce'Nedra.....or is Rand just gonna grow old and die. My logic
> is that since he's got the Word and the Will...just like the rest of Aldur's
> deciples...therefore he should be an immortal just like them. So what's
> everyone's take on this?
A recent re-read of BtS yielded a fair amount of evidence on this one
that can be used as a metaphorical baseball bat. :) It boils down to
the following:
1) Not all sorcerers are immortal.
This is not necessarily obvious. However, in BtS, UK pb, Chapter 36,
p. 553, Belgarath comments "The fact that he [Chamdar] didn't age over
the centuries was an indication of *some* status in Grolim society. He
wasn't exactly a disciple, but he was the next thing to it, I
suppose." However, a fairly large number of Grolims are sorcerers
(Green and Purple grades, IIRC). It's the priest/disciple distinction
again, I suppose.
Hence we cannot simply point to the fact that Garion is a sorcerer and
say that he must therefore be immortal.
2) Despite the "Bel" prefix, Garion is not necessarily a disciple of
any God.
Garath acquired his "Bel" prefix on demonstrating the power of sorcery
at the age of about 19, when Aldur accepted him as His pupil.
Belgarath first heard Aldur calling him His disciple at the age of 300
or so.
Etc. etc. We've had this debate before. ;)
3) Only the Gods or the Necessities can grant immortality - and it's
not automatic even on discipleship.
Fairly obvious. Look at Salmissra - Issa obviously had a shocking
memory. (Pol and Salmissra/Arshag does screw things up a bit - but
that's another argument ...)
Anyway, the only evidence we're left with of Garion being immortal is
therefore Silk's remark at the end of SoK to the effect that Garion
has plenty of time to father children, and assorted other random
comments about immortality. If you want to look at it from within the
story, as it were, this proves nothing because none of the characters
really know whether Garion will be immortal. If you take the author's
intentions into account, of course, all those remarks were put there
for a reason - presumably to suggest that Garion would be immortal, or
at least very long-lived.
So, to sum up - Garion probably is going to live for quite some time
(presumably for about the same length of time as Cennie, on the happy
ending theory), but there's no direct evidence for this.
nvFAQ? :)
Kamion, trying to be canonical and probably failing miserably
Caalador
> >Wasn't her particular talent to be loved? She didn't seem able to do
> >anything -consciously-, but subconsciously she attracted love.
>
> Speaking of Beldaran, this probably makes me an evil wicked person or
> something, but she actually irritated the hell out of me. She was
> manipulative as anything, especially with Polgara, without having the 'yes
> I'm manipulating you, I never claimed to be nice' air about her that other
> characters have...it always seemed more along the lines of 'yes I'm
> manipulating you, but I'm so wonderful you'll put up with it and I know it'.
> I wouldn't go so far as to say I was actually glad when she died but the
> only reason it bothered me was because it upset the other characters...I
> wasn't sorry to see her go.
You're not completely alone there. I don't find Beldaran irritating as such, I
just don't think I got to know her well enough to like (or dislike) her. For
such an important person, she doesn't really get very much exposure. We know how
everyone in the story feels about her, obviously, but we don't get much in the
way of an objective view of her character, IMHO.
It's a bit like the reader is supposed to like and care about her simply because
so many people love her. Okay, we do know most of those people *pretty* well,
and we know that they wouldn't like an unlikeable person, but it's still a bit
too indirect IMO.
I suppose I'd better add:
Apologies in advance to Beldaran of AFE. My views on Beldaran is in no way
directed at your own sweet, lovely person, but at your fictionary namesake :)
Caalador
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Ce'Nedra
<to...@kell.com> say:
>Jaycey <Jay...@soaring.demon.co.uk> said:
>
>> Ah, but he has what is at least an interesting point; that marriage
>>is a joining of equals, especially where sorcery is concerned. Belgarath
>>says, at the end of the Belgariad, that no marriage can survive such an
>>inequality. To Garion. :)
>>
>> I just wonder if TE realised how embarrassing that remark should
>>have been...
>
>But Ce'Nedra is probably the most powerful woman in the world. Garion
>would do anything to make her happy, and with that she has power to
>equal or exceed Garion's.
And don't you forget it. ;)
>The only limitation on this is that she loves Garion too much to ever
>manipulate him to a degree where he hurts himself or someone she
>loves...
Except, our dear Ce'Nedra is perhaps a little too impulsive to see the
consequences that her actions may have...
( alot like Garion and that storm 'Grat was a little unhappy with...)
--
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"'Cause we are living in an Imperial world, and I am an Imperial girl..."
Jaycey
>Speaking of Beldaran, this probably makes me an evil wicked person or
>something, but she actually irritated the hell out of me. She was
>manipulative as anything, especially with Polgara, without having the 'yes
>I'm manipulating you, I never claimed to be nice' air about her that other
>characters have...it always seemed more along the lines of 'yes I'm
>manipulating you, but I'm so wonderful you'll put up with it and I know it'.
>I wouldn't go so far as to say I was actually glad when she died but the
>only reason it bothered me was because it upset the other characters...I
>wasn't sorry to see her go.
I wouldn't go that far, but I *didn't* like her in the beginning of
PtS... I was out-argued on the point, IIRC.
Jaycey... {:->
There's always some excuse. :P
Ce'Nedra
<kam...@citadel.riva.net> say:
>Kamion, trying to be canonical and probably failing miserably
Ooooh, hello again Kam!
So have the freshers at your Uni discovered how to get Usenet yet? :)
Sephrenia
> Nooooooo...............................
> Don't! Don't! Don't! Pleeeeaaase Don't!
> (sorry:)
Fee fie foe fum... I smell a TROLL!!!
~Sephrenia~
Jonathan Amery
<Ce'Ne...@brad-camb.demon.co.uk> might have written - I think:
> Ce'Nedra touched her fingers to her amulet, and heard Kamion
> <kam...@citadel.riva.net> say:
>
> >Kamion, trying to be canonical and probably failing miserably
>
> Ooooh, hello again Kam!
>
>
> So have the freshers at your Uni discovered how to get Usenet yet? :)
They only got issued their accounts today.
Tommorow, however, is GRANT CHEQUE day!!! :-).
Senji.
Jonathan Amery
have written - I think:
> 1) Not all sorcerers are immortal.
>
> This is not necessarily obvious. However, in BtS, UK pb, Chapter 36,
> p. 553, Belgarath comments "The fact that he [Chamdar] didn't age over
> the centuries was an indication of *some* status in Grolim society. He
> wasn't exactly a disciple, but he was the next thing to it, I
> suppose." However, a fairly large number of Grolims are sorcerers
> (Green and Purple grades, IIRC). It's the priest/disciple distinction
> again, I suppose.
/me is a disciple?
Senji.
Kamion
> Ooooh, hello again Kam!
>
> So have the freshers at your Uni discovered how to get Usenet yet? :)
I imagine you're thinking of two in particular. :)
I might just go round to King's and hold up a big sign saying
"Paranor", since I can't find out Walker's new e-mail address ...
Kamion
Danae
Sephrenia <seph...@sarsos.1000.gov.styricum> wrote in article
<36187FF6...@sarsos.1000.gov.styricum>...
It was not intended thus, and I did not intend to offend.
I apologise _profusely_. In future, I will think before I post.
humbly,
Danae
CeN...@my-dejanews.com
> > So have the freshers at your Uni discovered how to get Usenet yet? :)
>
[Ce looks at her watch, and counts under her breath....]
(....5....4....3....2...1....)
[Ce looks around...]
What? No druid?
Whatever can be keeping him...?
> Tommorow, however, is GRANT CHEQUE day!!! :-).
Ah...he'll be in a bar then.... ;)
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kam...@earthling.No.Spam.net wrote:
> The Citadel resounded to the voice of Ce'Nedra:
>
> > Ooooh, hello again Kam!
> >
>
Two.. ?
> I might just go round to King's and hold up a big sign saying
> "Paranor", since I can't find out Walker's new e-mail address ...
Dare you. ;)
--
Ce'Nedra - who thinks that'd be funny. :)
Dom Wynn
>
> The Citadel resounded to the voice of Ce'Nedra:
>
> > Ooooh, hello again Kam!
> >
> > So have the freshers at your Uni discovered how to get Usenet yet? :)
>
> I imagine you're thinking of two in particular. :)
>
> "Paranor", since I can't find out Walker's new e-mail address ...
>
dur....
After what seems an unfeasibly long time I finally click as to how old
Walker is....
Dom
Kamion
> Sephrenia <seph...@sarsos.1000.gov.styricum> wrote in article
> <36187FF6...@sarsos.1000.gov.styricum>...
> > Danae wrote:
> >
> > > Nooooooo...............................
> > > Don't! Don't! Don't! Pleeeeaaase Don't!
> > > (sorry:)
> >
> > Fee fie foe fum... I smell a TROLL!!!
>
> It was not intended thus, and I did not intend to offend.
>
> I apologise _profusely_. In future, I will think before I post.
I don't think that was aimed at you, Danae. It was more probably
directed at "CrY4HeLP", since the immortality question has come up
many times and is mentioned in the FAQ.
I thought screaming "Troll!" here was a bit hasty myself, though.
Jehanneton
> In article <36195b84...@nntp-serv.cam.ac.uk>,
> kam...@earthling.No.Spam.net wrote:
>
> > I might just go round to King's and hold up a big sign saying
> > "Paranor", since I can't find out Walker's new e-mail address ...
>
> Dare you. ;)
>
I want photos!!! <grin> Or at least a graphic description of the colour of
his face.....
Jehanneton (she of no sig... )
Zubrette
> I might just go round to King's and hold up a big sign saying
> "Paranor", since I can't find out Walker's new e-mail address ...
:+)
/me wants to be ther when this happens ...
Coach party anyone?
--
Zubrette
... golden-haired charmer
Ce'Nedra
<dom@blackwell's.co.uk> say:
>> I might just go round to King's and hold up a big sign saying
>> "Paranor", since I can't find out Walker's new e-mail address ...
>>
>
>dur....
>After what seems an unfeasibly long time I finally click as to how old
>Walker is....
>
>Dom
Oooh agism!
There are lots of mature students starting Uni's nowadays you know. :)
He doesn't *have* to be the age you think he is. :)
--
Hettar
As they don't need to live longer anymore they're all going to die,
horribly, in an incident involving a cherek warship, a small glass wren, a
keg of Tolnedren red wine from an estate in the Vorduvian region, an old
Mallorean carpet and a small mouse called Gerald (who hasn't got a house,
getting very old, but hese a good mouse)
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
OK, maybe not
Hettar, replying to a question, possibly trollish in nature, but not so sure
Arthur.
Hettar wrote in message <6vgj10$8u2$1...@newsreader2.core.theplanet.net>...
>As Belgarath said, each person lives as long as they need to
>
>As they don't need to live longer anymore they're all going to die,
>horribly, in an incident involving a cherek warship, a small glass wren, a
>keg of Tolnedren red wine from an estate in the Vorduvian region, an old
>Mallorean carpet and a small mouse called Gerald (who hasn't got a house,
>getting very old, but hese a good mouse)
>.
>.
Harken ye to the story of Belgerald
for he was...
Squashed by a random keg of Vorduvian Red
Yea, even in the prime of his, but short life,
God heard his squeak and it was good.
and God spake unto another God.
Yeah, Parsimon was good, but I want this Gerald for the chorus line...
Arthur
:)
--
"Why me?..
ay ar ee at tesco dot net - that's are
jayjay
<het...@coronach.algaria.co.uk> wrote:
>As Belgarath said, each person lives as long as they need to
>
>As they don't need to live longer anymore they're all going to die,
>horribly, in an incident involving a cherek warship, a small glass wren, a
>keg of Tolnedren red wine from an estate in the Vorduvian region, an old
>Mallorean carpet and a small mouse called Gerald (who hasn't got a house,
>getting very old, but hese a good mouse)
Well, I惴 glad that愀 sorted out, then...
--
Jayjay
e-mail jay...@vip.cybercity.dk
icq 17349382
Jonathan Amery
<Ce'Ne...@brad-camb.demon.co.uk> might have written - I think:
> Ce'Nedra touched her fingers to her amulet, and heard Dom Wynn
> <dom@blackwell's.co.uk> say:
> >> I might just go round to King's and hold up a big sign saying
> >> "Paranor", since I can't find out Walker's new e-mail address ...
> >>
> >> Kamion
> >
> >dur....
> >After what seems an unfeasibly long time I finally click as to how old
> >Walker is....
> >
> >Dom
>
> Oooh agism!
> There are lots of mature students starting Uni's nowadays you know. :)
> He doesn't *have* to be the age you think he is. :)
I think he is though - the mature students mainly go to Darwin, Clare
Hall, Hughes Hall or Lucy Cavendish.
Senji.
Jonathan Amery
might have written - I think:
> CeN...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> > In article <36195b84...@nntp-serv.cam.ac.uk>,
> > kam...@earthling.No.Spam.net wrote:
> >
> > > I might just go round to King's and hold up a big sign saying
> > > "Paranor", since I can't find out Walker's new e-mail address ...
> >
> > Dare you. ;)
> >
>
> I want photos!!! <grin> Or at least a graphic description of the colour of
> his face.....
If he won't I will... :-)
(/me would do anything that seemed funny!)
Senji.
Ghnomb
>> I might just go round to King's and hold up a big sign saying
>> "Paranor", since I can't find out Walker's new e-mail address ...
>Dare you. ;)
>--
>Ce'Nedra - who thinks that'd be funny. :)
You almost make me feel embarrassed. At the societies' fair, on the
Diplomacy Society stall, I stuck a piece of paper labelling Maeshafn
on the game board in case Simon or Walker came past :) Unfortunately
while I was away someone else ripped it off and chucked it away.
Ghnomb - Official Troll God or Eat of Cambridge University Eddings
Society.
Kamion
> On Wed, 7 Oct 1998 19:04:04 +0100, Ce'Nedra
> <Ce'Ne...@brad-camb.demon.co.uk> might have written - I think:
<Walker's age>
> > Oooh agism!
> > There are lots of mature students starting Uni's nowadays you know. :)
> > He doesn't *have* to be the age you think he is. :)
>
> I think he is though - the mature students mainly go to Darwin, Clare
> Hall, Hughes Hall or Lucy Cavendish.
Or St. Edmund's.
Kamion, nitpicking
Dom Wynn
> >> I might just go round to King's and hold up a big sign saying
> >> "Paranor", since I can't find out Walker's new e-mail address ...
> >>
> >
> >dur....
> >After what seems an unfeasibly long time I finally click as to how old
> >Walker is....
> >
> >Dom
>
> There are lots of mature students starting Uni's nowadays you know. :)
> He doesn't *have* to be the age you think he is. :)
nope not ageism: just lazy thinking. I follow the 'if it looks like a
dog, smells like a dog and barks like a dog, it is in fact a dog' school
of thought. Until something pops along to disprove my lazy thinking I
leap to the most obvious conclusions....
Walker may in fact be the 70 year old one armed Biker I imagined, but in
the mean time my lazy thinking has decided that he is now an 18/19 yr
old undergrad....
I look forward to being disproved :)
Dom
Jonathan Amery
have written - I think:
> The Citadel resounded to the voice of Senji:
>
> > On Wed, 7 Oct 1998 19:04:04 +0100, Ce'Nedra
> > <Ce'Ne...@brad-camb.demon.co.uk> might have written - I think:
> <Walker's age>
> > > Oooh agism!
> > > There are lots of mature students starting Uni's nowadays you know. :)
> > > He doesn't *have* to be the age you think he is. :)
> >
> > I think he is though - the mature students mainly go to Darwin, Clare
> > Hall, Hughes Hall or Lucy Cavendish.
>
> Or St. Edmund's.
I always forget them, but if we're going to nitpick we'd better include
Homerton, Wesley, Winchester, Westcote and Ridley. :-)
Senji.
Simon Nickerson
(Ghnomb) wrote:
>You almost make me feel embarrassed. At the societies' fair, on the
>Diplomacy Society stall, I stuck a piece of paper labelling Maeshafn
>on the game board in case Simon or Walker came past :) Unfortunately
>while I was away someone else ripped it off and chucked it away.
I don't think I even saw the Diplomacy Society stall. There were just
so many people there that I tried to do the circuit as quickly as
possible and get out into some fresh air.
>Ghnomb - Official Troll God or Eat of Cambridge University Eddings
>Society.
Cor! Is there an official society now? :-) BTW, do you know anything
about the F&SF society? Is it worth joining?
Simon Nickerson - High Priest of Happy Bunnies
Please liberate all jolly rabbits from my e-mail address
"There was a young man from Peru
Whose limericks stopped at line two."
Wal...@the.press.office
opened up a letter from sj...@cam.ac.happy.bunnies.uk (Simon Nickerson)
>I don't think I even saw the Diplomacy Society stall. There were just
>so many people there that I tried to do the circuit as quickly as
>possible and get out into some fresh air.
I saw it....and quite possibly saw the people running it.... funny how
that happens.
>Cor! Is there an official society now? :-) BTW, do you know anything
>about the F&SF society? Is it worth joining?
Forget that, is the Assassins' Guild as good as it sounds? ;)
Kamion
> On Thu, 08 Oct 1998 00:26:35 GMT, mc...@cam.ac.uk.big.nasty.trolls
> (Ghnomb) wrote:
> >You almost make me feel embarrassed. At the societies' fair, on the
> >Diplomacy Society stall, I stuck a piece of paper labelling Maeshafn
> >on the game board in case Simon or Walker came past :) Unfortunately
> >while I was away someone else ripped it off and chucked it away.
>
> I don't think I even saw the Diplomacy Society stall. There were just
> so many people there that I tried to do the circuit as quickly as
> possible and get out into some fresh air.
Don't blame you. I went in for a while, and it was utter madness. I
only really saw the DipSoc stall 'cos I knew it was going to be there
and recognized Ghnomb.
Y'know - these Troll Gods are a bit hard to miss sometimes ... ;)
> >Ghnomb - Official Troll God of Eat of Cambridge University Eddings
> >Society.
>
> Cor! Is there an official society now? :-)
We call it the CU Secret Eddings Society. It exists in limbo, mainly
because we might have to do uncomfortable amounts of organization if
it became a proper society. :)
> BTW, do you know anything
> about the F&SF society? Is it worth joining?
Depends what you like. I went to the PTerry discussion at the
beginning of last term, and, when at one point Eddings was mentioned,
I heard the president suggest that they "rip Eddings to pieces" later
on in the year. This rather put me off, since it's then unlikely I'm
going to find too many kindred spirits there. YMMV, of course. If you
can put up with some of them having certain Opinions, the discussions
*are* very interesting.
Did you join the Music Society, BTW? Didn't see you at rehearsals
tonight ...
Kamion
Senji
Nickerson) might have written - I think:
> Cor! Is there an official society now? :-) BTW, do you know anything
> about the F&SF society? Is it worth joining?
It's got a good library, but they say uncomplimentary things about
eddings.
Senji.
--
Jonathan David Amery, Trinity Hall, CAMBRIDGE, CB2 1TJ. #####
http://www.trinhall.cam.ac.uk/~jda23/home.html o__#######
"Senji, a fifteenth century practitioner of alchemy at the \'#######
university in the imperial city was notorious for his ineptitude" - Senji
Magus
<kam...@citadel.riva.net> could be heard to declaim to all and sundry;
Hey, Baron. Nice to see you back :) Nice to see an on-topic thread in
the ng, too (even if it's been chewed over for a while now)
>The Citadel resounded to the voice of CrY4HeLP:
>
>> Read the whole series and still wondering whether Garion is an immortal like
>> Belgarath is. Can anyone enlighten me on this.....and...if he is an immortal
>> then what abot Ce'Nedra.....or is Rand just gonna grow old and die. My logic
>> is that since he's got the Word and the Will...just like the rest of Aldur's
>> deciples...therefore he should be an immortal just like them. So what's
>> everyone's take on this?
>
>A recent re-read of BtS yielded a fair amount of evidence on this one
>that can be used as a metaphorical baseball bat. :) It boils down to
>the following:
Well, we should consider the other books as well. Metaphorical or not,
there are a few things we should consider before lifting up passages
and quoting them as evidence (which is what I'm goinna do anyway :))
>1) Not all sorcerers are immortal.
>
>This is not necessarily obvious. However, in BtS, UK pb, Chapter 36,
>p. 553, Belgarath comments "The fact that he [Chamdar] didn't age over
>the centuries was an indication of *some* status in Grolim society. He
>wasn't exactly a disciple, but he was the next thing to it, I
>suppose." However, a fairly large number of Grolims are sorcerers
>(Green and Purple grades, IIRC). It's the priest/disciple distinction
>again, I suppose.
Damn me. Remember this. (KoTM) (paraphrased, but I think the intent is
correct)
"Whatever made you think that he (the hermit) was a Grolim?"
"I thought that there were two types of sorcerors; us and the Grolims.
"How curious. Actually, the talent can come out in anyone, anywhere.
It's just in different ways shown, that's all. Witchcraft, magic,
sorcery....they're basically all the same thing."
"Oh. I didn't know that."
"Then you learnt something new today. A day that you learn something
new isn't a wasted day."
Like I said, paraphrased, but I think I got it right. Sorcery _isn't_
limited to those who are affiliated to Gods. The hermit was a mad
sorceror, and Senji was an agnostic Melcene. Not to mention his
students, who while not as good, are also sorcerors. So, the
priest/disciple thing is sheer nonsense. I would say that Disciples
were sorcerors, but the reverse is not necessarily true. And while the
priests were given limited powers for the duration of their life, I
would also say that some Grolims had _true_ power.
>Hence we cannot simply point to the fact that Garion is a sorcerer and
>say that he must therefore be immortal.
I hope I followed your argument correctly here. You are saying that
Chamdar wasn't a Disciple(I capitalise for convenience). But he was a
sorceror. Therefore, he didn't age. And you say that Garion was a
sorceror. Therefore he can't be immortal.
I think I got lost somewhere there, Lord Kamion. I guess Math _does_
make you go nuts :). But then, Math is necessary in a CompSci course,
isn't it? (Please say no, please please say no. My trig knowledge is
rather dismal, so my Maths 2 sucks :)) Could you please tell me what
you meant, in nice, simple English? My language processing unit has
decided to break down at an inopportune? time.
>2) Despite the "Bel" prefix, Garion is not necessarily a disciple of
>any God.
Er..he doesn't have to be. He's the blasted Child of Light, King of
Riva, Godslayer, Lord of the Western Sea, Overlord of the West,
husband of Imperial Princess Ce'Nedra, Queen of Riva, beautiful
child-like temptress, and what not. Somehow, I think being a Disciple
of any God might confuse things even more.
Hmm...here's another thread coming up. Garion is not a Rivan. His
great-great-...x100-grandfather was the Rivan King. But Garion is
_not_ a Rivan. He is Algarian, Drasnian, Cherek, Rivan, Tolnedran,
Sendar and Arendish all in. For all I know, he might be a little
Thull, Nadrak and Murgo as well, depending on whether any decided to
defect. Hell, except for the fact that they cleaned up Nyissa pretty
well, he might have a little Nyissan blood in him as well.( I say this
based on the number of places his ancestors were hid. And I don't
think that PtS included a n\genealogical record of _all_ his
forebears, did they? But even if they did, Belgarath himself is of
indeterminate race) So, considering that he is worse than a
pure-blooded Tolnedran, why are they so upset about the fact that
Ce'Nedra is Tolnedran? At least she's mostly pure(except for the Dryad
strain, but most don't know about that) Not to mention the fact that
technically, he's a Sendar, so he owes allegiance to _all_ the Gods.
_And_, he feels tied to Aldur, not Belar. Not only that, but I think
somewhere it was stated that he was 'Aldur's gift' to the world. So,
he might be subject to Aldur.
>Garath acquired his "Bel" prefix on demonstrating the power of sorcery
>at the age of about 19, when Aldur accepted him as His pupil.
>Belgarath first heard Aldur calling him His disciple at the age of 300
>or so.
>Etc. etc. We've had this debate before. ;)
Er, maybe, but maybe I wasn't around the last time this was kicked
around. OK. We have Belgarath's word that 'Bel' meant 'beloved'.
Actually, we have DE's word for it :) By the phrase in BtS I assume
you were referring to, I can safely say that you are correct.
Belgarath got the Bel prefix by demonstrating Talent. Garion got it on
his first acknowledged, conscious act (spontaneous combustion of
Asharak)
But I think DE screwed up a little here. The term disciple actually
means, as far as I can translate, 'follower'. To use a RL example,
Jesus had thousands of disciples. They were the Jews who followed Him,
listening to Him and heeding His teachings(maybe :)) But, He had only
12 Apostles. The people closest to him, most trusted ones. Of course,
He had another one after Judas, but that's another story. Point being,
the term 'disciple' applied to Belgarath the moment he decided to
'follow' Aldur. When he took up Aldur's ways and teachings, he was
Aldur's Disciple(and in this case, capitalisation is immaterial). And
therefore, those who were 'called' by ALdur to 'follow' Him, were de
facto Disciples. SO, fact is, because GArion decided to 'follow'
Aldur, he, too, can be considered a Disciple. In ENglish, that is. The
translators of the Bel/Mal may have skewed that by changing certain
words so that the literal meaning is different, while the colloquial
meaning is the same.
>
>3) Only the Gods or the Necessities can grant immortality - and it's
>not automatic even on discipleship.
Hmm...but you mentioned it below.
>Fairly obvious. Look at Salmissra - Issa obviously had a shocking
>memory. (Pol and Salmissra/Arshag does screw things up a bit - but
>that's another argument ...)
Issa was sleepy. Give the God a break, willya? :) Must have been all
those drugs he liked... :) But seriously, BtS indicated that the Gods
of Bel/Mal, like the Gods of El/Tam, can only confer long life. And in
SoD, an extremely long life indicates sorcery. (btw, can we not use
Eriondia? I'm sure that there are hundreds of other names that sound
better than that.) And as you said, Pol and Salmissra screws things
up. But Pol and Arshag? No, I doubt it. Gods can overrule human
sorcery, no matter how powerful/accomplished such human may be. I can
think of three examples offhand, and they're probably more. I can
imagine a few thousand years later, while Eriond is holding court, an
aged Grolim by the name of Arshag comes to him and begs for
death...maybe Eriond will grant it, maybe not. After all, he probably
remembers what Arshag did... But I think no God is impolite enough to
set aside Pol's sorcerous powers on Salmissra.
Hmm...there's something else here. If we assume Pol to be absolutely
truthful(yeah, right, but for the sake of argumet), then we no longer
have a controversial thread to argue about. For sorcery of that kind
is effective for the user's lifetime (see interdiction for that sort
of thing). And if Salmissra's going to be immortal, then Polgara's
goung to be so as well. And if Polgara's going to be immortal...
>Anyway, the only evidence we're left with of Garion being immortal is
>therefore Silk's remark at the end of SoK to the effect that Garion
>has plenty of time to father children, and assorted other random
>comments about immortality. If you want to look at it from within the
>story, as it were, this proves nothing because none of the characters
>really know whether Garion will be immortal. If you take the author's
>intentions into account, of course, all those remarks were put there
>for a reason - presumably to suggest that Garion would be immortal, or
>at least very long-lived.
New piece of evidence, but not exactly on immortality. On unaging
(which is related to death of old-age), Belgarath noticed that after
three hundred years of life, he remains unaged. When he asks Aldur
about this, Aldur replies that growing old (and presumably dying along
with it :)) is customary, _but not mandatory_. He then adds that
Belgarath has a long task, and not even a thousand lifetimes is
enough. Taking the usual limit of 70 as the average, Belgarath has to
live until he's 70,000 to come close to Aldur's expectation of his
life. And Garion hasn't even lived _one_ lifetime yet.
>So, to sum up - Garion probably is going to live for quite some time
>(presumably for about the same length of time as Cennie, on the happy
>ending theory), but there's no direct evidence for this.
Direct evidence? Hmm, how long is Ce'Nedra going to live, anyway? The
real question is, how do the Borunes arrange marriages? I mean, Dryads
have an average life expectancy of 1000 years or some such (how long
does an oak live on average?). so, this would seem to indicate that
Ce'Bronne's; Ce'Vanne's, and a whole lot of other Dryads' trees die
unusually fast and early. Given the Dryads' care for _all_ the trees
in their Woods, this is rather unusual. May I offer a different
theory? My pet theory, actually, so please don't say it's a pile of
crock in front of my face. :) WHat if each Dryad was given a tree out
of courtesy, but never actually formally 'bonded' until a certain age?
And because the Borune females were in Tol Borune (or Tol Honeth),
they never actually went back to the Woods? Given that the Dryad
genetic structure is similar to the human's it can be expected that
the life expectancy without assistance from the tree is similar.
Therefore, Ce'Nedra hasn't exactly been 'bonded' to her tree yet, so
she can choose to be eonded to another tree. Explains a few things,
doesn't it?
>Kamion, trying to be canonical and probably failing miserably
Well, I think I may have the same problem :)
>http://gotw.home.ml.org/eddings.html
>"It's the one who won't be taken who cannot seem to give,
> And the soul afraid of dying that never learns to live."
Beautiful, Kamion. WHere did you lift this one from?
Magus
Magic advanced enuff is indistinguishible from science
(Apologies to the great Arthur C. Clarke)
remove the elenia from my address
Arthur.
Magus wrote in message <361ef87e...@news.tm.net.my>...
<biiig snip>
>Therefore, Ce'Nedra hasn't exactly been 'bonded' to her tree yet, so
>she can choose to be eonded to another tree. Explains a few things,
>doesn't it?
So, as I said before, she could be adopted by the tree in the vale, if
necessary?
Arthur
Also, along the same lines as one of the points I so cavalierly erased from
this message, Sephrenia is the 'Immortal 'Priestess of the Child Goddess,
Aphrael', - so is immortal. The styrics, (and, indeed the Pandions), those
whom she deigns to lend of her power, are not. We need, it would seem, a
clear distinction between follower and priestess/disciple and adherent[1] to
clear this matter up, I fear.
No, I don't, as yet, have one.
Arthur
[1] Salmissra is -really- gonna mess this one up, I think.
--
"... I lost track of most of the rest of that day - and the plums gave me a
bellyache besides..."
http://homepages.tesco.net/~are/
(but it's lousy just now...)
Wal...@the.press.office
> It's got a good library, but they say uncomplimentary things about
>eddings.
So...like, I can go and start a flame-war? <B&B>That's cool. Heh heh
heh. </B&B>
Kamion
> From the Philosopher's Corner, in Honest John's bar, Kamion
> <kam...@citadel.riva.net> could be heard to declaim to all and sundry;
>
> >1) Not all sorcerers are immortal.
> >
> >This is not necessarily obvious. However, in BtS, UK pb, Chapter 36,
> >p. 553, Belgarath comments "The fact that he [Chamdar] didn't age over
> >the centuries was an indication of *some* status in Grolim society. He
> >wasn't exactly a disciple, but he was the next thing to it, I
> >suppose." However, a fairly large number of Grolims are sorcerers
> >(Green and Purple grades, IIRC). It's the priest/disciple distinction
> >again, I suppose.
>
> Sorcery _isn't_ limited to those who are affiliated to Gods.
Yeah, yeah, OK. I was simplifying deliberately, since my point was
awkward enough already. But if you look back through old threads along
these lines, you'll find I normally prefer the phrase "independent
sorcerer" to "disciple". That is, somebody who has the power in and of
themselves, rather than being granted it by a God.
> And while the
> priests were given limited powers for the duration of their life, I
> would also say that some Grolims had _true_ power.
Yes. But, IIRC, there's no mention of them having particularly
extended lifetimes.
> >Hence we cannot simply point to the fact that Garion is a sorcerer and
> >say that he must therefore be immortal.
>
> I hope I followed your argument correctly here. You are saying that
> Chamdar wasn't a Disciple(I capitalise for convenience). But he was a
> sorceror. Therefore, he didn't age. And you say that Garion was a
> sorceror. Therefore he can't be immortal.
You're misunderstanding me. I said that the fact that he was a
sorcerer didn't *necessarily* mean that he was immortal, not that it
precluded immortality. I said that it wasn't something we could point
to and say "look, Garion must be immortal".
> >Garath acquired his "Bel" prefix on demonstrating the power of sorcery
> >at the age of about 19, when Aldur accepted him as His pupil.
> >Belgarath first heard Aldur calling him His disciple at the age of 300
> >or so.
>
> Point being,
> the term 'disciple' applied to Belgarath the moment he decided to
> 'follow' Aldur. When he took up Aldur's ways and teachings, he was
> Aldur's Disciple (and in this case, capitalisation is immaterial).
The word "disciple", in this case, means exactly what D&LE want it to
mean, even if it doesn't quite correspond to the dictionary
definition.
If Aldur chooses to accept someone as his pupil but not his disciple,
He has a perfect right to do so ... :)
> And in SoD, an extremely long life indicates sorcery.
But not necessarily vice versa. Which is more or less my point ...
> But I think no God is impolite enough to
> set aside Pol's sorcerous powers on Salmissra.
> [...]
> For sorcery of that kind
> is effective for the user's lifetime (see interdiction for that sort
> of thing). And if Salmissra's going to be immortal, then Polgara's
> goung to be so as well. And if Polgara's going to be immortal...
I'm not convinced Pol *had* those powers in the first place. She may
have somehow been granted them temporarily by Issa. But I'm almost
certain that there's a passage somewhere (can't remember where, sorry)
which says that humans can't grant immortality. That would solve the
problem of Polgara necessarily having to be immortal too.
> He then adds that
> Belgarath has a long task, and not even a thousand lifetimes is
> enough. Taking the usual limit of 70 as the average, Belgarath has to
> live until he's 70,000 to come close to Aldur's expectation of his
> life.
Belgarath's finished his task, though. I rather suspect Aldur was
exaggerating slightly. :)
> >"It's the one who won't be taken who cannot seem to give,
> > And the soul afraid of dying that never learns to live."
>
> Beautiful, Kamion. WHere did you lift this one from?
A song called "The Rose". If anyone can tell me who originally wrote
it, I'd be very grateful! I put it in my .sig shortly after the "Would
you take immortality?" thread a couple of months back ... it seemed
appropriate.
<sigh> I seem to have revived the immortality thread. I had intended
more to put it to rest, but that was probably a silly idea ... :) If
you want to debate this further, do you want to take it to e-mail?
Kamion
--
Ghnomb
Nickerson) wrote:
>
>Cor! Is there an official society now? :-) BTW, do you know anything
>about the F&SF society? Is it worth joining?
Well, as has been said, Jomsborg the New (the fantasy society) is not
Nice to Eddings. But maybe enough of us can go along to make them see
the error of their ways.
But the Most Important thing about Jomsborg, and one which the whole
world should know about, is the Wake, the annual ceremony held every
winter in which the Reeve of the society winds up the sun for the
year, to keep it going.
He is assisted by various others: other societies are present such as
the Tolkien Society and the Sheila and her Dog Society. And most
important, there is a Lot of mead. One of the tests of the Reeve's
omnipotence is to drink a whole horn of mead.
Hopefully we can get a group invite to CUSES (EddSoc?) to turn up :%)
Ghnomb - meadful.
Anni Smith
>Therefore, Ce'Nedra hasn't exactly been 'bonded' to her tree yet, so
>>she can choose to be eonded to another tree. Explains a few things,
>>doesn't it?
>
>So, as I said before, she could be adopted by the tree in the vale, if
>necessary?
But wasn't Ce' given those two trees in GotW?
One for her and one for Garion, so wouldn't she live as long as her tree in
Riva?
Arthur.
Anni Smith wrote in message <19981010132850...@ng141.aol.com>...
>But wasn't Ce' given those two trees in GotW?
>One for her and one for Garion, so wouldn't she live as long as her tree in
>Riva?
Well, one was a gift from her tree... really it was for her children I
think.:)
Arthur
Danae
Anni Smith <anni...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19981010132850...@ng141.aol.com>...
>
> >Therefore, Ce'Nedra hasn't exactly been 'bonded' to her tree yet, so
> >>she can choose to be eonded to another tree. Explains a few things,
> >>doesn't it?
> >
> >So, as I said before, she could be adopted by the tree in the vale, if
> >necessary?
>
> But wasn't Ce' given those two trees in GotW?
> One for her and one for Garion, so wouldn't she live as long as her tree
in
> Riva?
>
And one of the seeds was from 'her' tree, so I would assume that somewhere
along the line she was bonded to a tree.
--
Danae left the room dragging Rollo negligently by one leg behind her.
Ce'Nedra
>the mean time my lazy thinking has decided that he is now an 18/19 yr
>old undergrad....
>
>I look forward to being disproved :)
Oh, I didn't say I would disprove you.
I was just being pedantic. :)
--
Aquarius
wrote:
[ a possibly canonical explanation of whether garion is immortal or
not ]
>nvFAQ? :)
It's in. Anyone who wants to complain about this summary, do so, and
I'll try and incorporate changes....
Aquarius
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