Lelldorin's purpose?
Ettore Carrara
Hi,
I have recently read the belgariad again and I was wondering:
Lelldorin, the asturian archer, was one of the fellows called in by
the prophecy. However, while everyone else seems to have a specific
purpose sooner or later, Lelldorin doesn't. It gets poisoned and
almost killed during the trip in southern Arendia. He joins the
fellowship again after Garion comes back from Rak Chtol and returns
the Orb to Riva. Then Garion leaves again toward Mallorea and still
Lenlldorin does not apparently give any contribution except from
joining the Ce Nedra's army in the campaign against Thull Mardu. When
or where is he so important to the prophecy?
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In a burst of inspiration, Ettore Carrara (pen...@mbox.vol.it) wrote:
<> Hi,
<>
<> I have recently read the belgariad again and I was wondering:
<> Lelldorin, the asturian archer, was one of the fellows called in by
<> the prophecy. However, while everyone else seems to have a specific
<> purpose sooner or later, Lelldorin doesn't.
<>
Well, I can think of a few...
His getting hurt and Mandelloran's response to him makes Garion more aware
of Mandelloran's true thoughts, if he actually really has any..:)
He is the one that rounds up the 'patriots' that CeNedra first starts
speaking to...
I know there wasy another one, but I cant think of it...
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Shannon Adams
Ettore Carrara wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I have recently read the belgariad again and I was wondering:
> Lelldorin, the asturian archer, was one of the fellows called in by
> the prophecy. However, while everyone else seems to have a specific
> almost killed during the trip in southern Arendia. He joins the
> fellowship again after Garion comes back from Rak Chtol and returns
> the Orb to Riva. Then Garion leaves again toward Mallorea and still
> Lenlldorin does not apparently give any contribution except from
> joining the Ce Nedra's army in the campaign against Thull Mardu. When
> or where is he so important to the prophecy?
>
> --
>
> CiAo! Et
>
> E-Mail: pen...@mbox.vol.it
> pen...@mercurio.bbs.comune.roma.it
a Mimbrate Knight to learn to trust each other. This (begins?) prepares
the Arends for the meeting with the splinter group in the Mallorean;
hopefully enabling a REAL reconciliation between Mimbrate and Austarian.
On this same line: what, besides repopulating the Marag people, was
Tabia's (sp?) purpose in the prophecy?
Shannon Adams
Justin Hall
ro...@netrail.net (Ron Olshavsky) wrote:
>In a burst of inspiration, Ettore Carrara (pen...@mbox.vol.it) wrote:
><> Hi,
><>
><> I have recently read the belgariad again and I was wondering:
><> Lelldorin, the asturian archer, was one of the fellows called in by
><> the prophecy. However, while everyone else seems to have a specific
><> purpose sooner or later, Lelldorin doesn't.
><>
>Well, I can think of a few...
>His getting hurt and Mandelloran's response to him makes Garion more aware
>of Mandelloran's true thoughts, if he actually really has any..:)
>He is the one that rounds up the 'patriots' that CeNedra first starts
>speaking to...
>I know there wasy another one, but I cant think of it...
He also reveals the plot of Nachak the Murgo to kill Korodullin.. and
help out at several other battles, including Thull Mardu and Rheon (in
the Mallorean)..
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Lord Jeff
How about this? In addition to what has been mentioned already, Lelldorin and
Taiba may have had the purpose of representing their nations in the Company
of Light. Every other nation had a representative; even the Nadraks were
associated in the person of Yarblek (who, we learn in BtS, is mentioned by
the Prophecy). That is, every other Western nation did, and I guess the
Prophecy didn't want to leave out the Asturians and the Marags.
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But didn't Mandorallen represent Arendia in the Company of Light? Of
course, he could have just been representing the Asturians since the
Arends are so divided...
Justin Hall
Shannon Adams <shanno...@byu.edu> wrote:
>I think his primary purpose in the prophecy is for an Austarian (sp?) and
>a Mimbrate Knight to learn to trust each other. This (begins?) prepares
>the Arends for the meeting with the splinter group in the Mallorean;
>hopefully enabling a REAL reconciliation between Mimbrate and Austarian.
>On this same line: what, besides repopulating the Marag people, was
>Tabia's (sp?) purpose in the prophecy?
She and Relg gave birth to the new Gorim... so her other task was to
"convince" Relg that chastity was unnecessary and their "union" was
kinda required..
E.M.P. Pringle
In article <319363...@byu.edu>,
Shannon Adams <shanno...@byu.edu> wrote:
>Ettore Carrara wrote:
>>
>
>On this same line: what, besides repopulating the Marag people, was
>Tabia's (sp?) purpose in the prophecy?
Probably her purpose was 2-fold; a) to bring back the Marags and b) to cheer
Mara up enough for him to bring Durnik back to life wiht the other Gods. He
didn't want to in a fit of self pity until Taiba was shown to him
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On Wed, 8 May 1996, Ettore Carrara wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have recently read the belgariad again and I was wondering:
> Lelldorin, the asturian archer, was one of the fellows called in by
> the prophecy. However, while everyone else seems to have a specific
> purpose sooner or later, Lelldorin doesn't. It gets poisoned and
> almost killed during the trip in southern Arendia. He joins the
> fellowship again after Garion comes back from Rak Chtol and returns
> the Orb to Riva. Then Garion leaves again toward Mallorea and still
> Lenlldorin does not apparently give any contribution except from
> joining the Ce Nedra's army in the campaign against Thull Mardu. When
> or where is he so important to the prophecy?
Ok, I'm going to try to be a bit abstract here.... and I'd like to hear
some ohters thoughts on this but here goes....
Remember that the whole purpose of the Belg/Mal was "fixing the
universe", including the world that the stories were set in.
One of the world's greatest trouble spots was Arendia and the ongoing
feud between the Asturians and Mimbrates. I think that one of the *main*
reasons for both Mandorallen and Lelldorin's presence in the party
(aside from providing endless hours of entertainment) is to commence the
reconciling of Mimbre and Asturia, by getting the two of them, as *high
level representatives* of the two duchies to trust one another and to
become friends...
Just my $0.02
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Sos <Carl Norris>
Wasn't Lelldorins purpose to break up that attack when theyre camped in
the woods. They may have had trouble if he hadnt decimated them with bow
fire. Also he was quite useful setting up the meetings for Ce'Nedra to
address in Asturia.
Simon Challands
Sos (CarlNorr...@york.ac.uk) wrote:
: Wasn't Lelldorins purpose to break up that attack when theyre camped in
: the woods. They may have had trouble if he hadnt decimated them with bow
: fire. Also he was quite useful setting up the meetings for Ce'Nedra to
: address in Asturia.
He might have just been there to be a friend of Garion's.
Simon II
GSGIL1
Exactly. There is a passage in one of the books where Polgara tells
Garion that the Mrin Codex mentions certain companions to the Child of
Light. The way I understand it, those people had no purpose other than to
be there. After all when you look at it, they were not really necessary.
For example Silk was the guide, but Belgarath could follow the orb
himself and knew his way around the world pretty well. Also both he and
Polgara could quite easily protect Garion, so why was Durnik, Mandorallen
and Barak needed? It was only in the Mallorean series that the characters
all had specific tasks.
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Giles Alexander
> On this same line: what, besides repopulating the Marag people, was
> Tabia's (sp?) purpose in the prophecy?
Possibly to make Relg more accepting of his companions? She breaks down his problems and allows him to get along with people from outside.
Regards,
Giles
Annette Fraser
In article <4nbhnr$j...@pellew.ntu.edu.au>, g...@cs.ntu.edu.au (Giles
Alexander) wrote:
She also provides (with Relg's help of course) the child who will be the
new Gorim.
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Ron Olshavsky (ro...@netrail.net) wrote:
: In a burst of inspiration, Ettore Carrara (pen...@mbox.vol.it) wrote:
: <> Hi,
: <> I have recently read the belgariad again and I was wondering:
: <> Lelldorin, the asturian archer, was one of the fellows called in by
: <> the prophecy. However, while everyone else seems to have a specific
: <> purpose sooner or later, Lelldorin doesn't.
: Well, I can think of a few...
: His getting hurt and Mandelloran's response to him makes Garion more aware
: of Mandelloran's true thoughts, if he actually really has any..:)
Garion only had his prejudices towards Mandorallen because of Lelldorin's
opionions - he admitted so himself. If he hadn't met Lelldorin he probably
wouldn't have had to bother in that way.
: He is the one that rounds up the 'patriots' that CeNedra first starts
: speaking to...
That's much more likely, I feel.
Simon II
Ian Hutcherson
Shannon Adams <shanno...@byu.edu> wrote:
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>> Fidonet: 2:335/316.6I think his primary purpose in the prophecy is for an Austarian (sp?) and
>a Mimbrate Knight to learn to trust each other. This (begins?) prepares
>the Arends for the meeting with the splinter group in the Mallorean;
>hopefully enabling a REAL reconciliation between Mimbrate and Austarian.
That and arranging the meetings that Ce'Nedra's Army was built upon.
The first meeting was with the Drunk Asturian that infuriates Ce'Nedra
so much that she starts talking so passionately, etc.
>On this same line: what, besides repopulating the Marag people, was
>Tabia's (sp?) purpose in the prophecy?
Following on from the above reason you gave yourself. Tabia overcomes
the religous fevour experienced by Relg, to allow them to also bring
forth the next Gorim. Relg and Tabia were going to have to be the
parents.
Also if you look at it, I think all the "Western" Kingdoms were
represented in the prophecy (for the initial Torak/Garion meeting).
Except a nyissian.
Barak: Cherek
Hettar: Algaria
Lelldorin: Asturia
Mandorallen: Mimbre
Relg: Ulgo
Tabia: Marag
Ce'Nedra: Tolnedra
Garion: Rivan
Durnik: Sendaria
Silk: Drasnian.
The only people missing is a nysian, but that is rectified in the
Malloreon.
Sos <Carl Norris>
On 15 May 1996, Giles Alexander wrote:
>
> > On this same line: what, besides repopulating the Marag people, was
> > Tabia's (sp?) purpose in the prophecy?
>
> Possibly to make Relg more accepting of his companions? She breaks down his problems and allows him to get along with people from outside.
>
> Regards,
> Giles
>
>
>
>
>
>
also no Taiba, no Durnik for the Mallorean as he'd be dead.
Ken Crossman
In article <4nb4o8$8...@harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au>, GSGIL1
<GSG...@student.monash.edu.au> wrote:
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> Exactly. There is a passage in one of the books where Polgara tells
> Garion that the Mrin Codex mentions certain companions to the Child of
> Light. The way I understand it, those people had no purpose other than to
> be there. After all when you look at it, they were not really necessary.
> For example Silk was the guide, but Belgarath could follow the orb
> himself and knew his way around the world pretty well. Also both he and
> Polgara could quite easily protect Garion, so why was Durnik, Mandorallen
> and Barak needed? It was only in the Mallorean series that the characters
> all had specific tasks.
> _________________
> Gursharan Gill
While it was true that Belgarath could follow the Orb, Silk was necessary
to guide them through the back alleys in times when they needed a quick
exit or just did not want to be seen. Polgara and Belgarath could have
protected Garion by themselves but only at risk of giving their location
away due to the "noise" problem. As stated in the books Durnik,
Mandorallen and Barak were there to deal with the more mundane matters.
As for Relg and Taiba (spelling?) there purpose was totally unrelated to
Garion and was part of a side bet on the part of the two awarenesses.
Just my $0.02.
Mark Coughlin
In article <Pine.SGI.3.91.960513145713.5258A-100000@echidna>, Jason DUFF
<st96...@echidna.cowan.edu.au> writes
>On Wed, 8 May 1996, Ettore Carrara wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have recently read the belgariad again and I was wondering:
>> Lelldorin, the asturian archer, was one of the fellows called in by
>> the prophecy. However, while everyone else seems to have a specific
>> almost killed during the trip in southern Arendia. He joins the
>> fellowship again after Garion comes back from Rak Chtol and returns
>> the Orb to Riva. Then Garion leaves again toward Mallorea and still
>> Lenlldorin does not apparently give any contribution except from
>> joining the Ce Nedra's army in the campaign against Thull Mardu. When
>> or where is he so important to the prophecy?
>
>Ok, I'm going to try to be a bit abstract here.... and I'd like to hear
>some ohters thoughts on this but here goes....
>
>Remember that the whole purpose of the Belg/Mal was "fixing the
>universe", including the world that the stories were set in.
>
>One of the world's greatest trouble spots was Arendia and the ongoing
>feud between the Asturians and Mimbrates. I think that one of the *main*
>reasons for both Mandorallen and Lelldorin's presence in the party
>(aside from providing endless hours of entertainment) is to commence the
>reconciling of Mimbre and Asturia, by getting the two of them, as *high
>level representatives* of the two duchies to trust one another and to
>become friends...
That gets my vote and I'm sure that there is a section in one of th
books where Pol explains this to Garion.
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Not only that, but Lellordin marries Ariana, a Mimbrate. He also
becomes friends (just a little) with Mandorallen...