Scytale...Face Dancer or Master?
Kevin Spencer
> WARNING POSSIBLE *CHAPTERHOUSE* SPOILER!!!!!
> In Chapterhouse, Scytale was the last remaining Tlielaxu Master.
>However, I remember he was a Face Dancer in *Messiah*. I know that the
>Tlielaxu were able to replicate themselves as gholas, BUT why would they
>want to recreate an expendable face dancer? After all it seems the face
>dancers were a dime a dozen. Did it have anything to do with the
>null-entropy capsule inside his person? Is it an inconsistency or did I
>miss something?
Yeah, I've wondered about that too. I think there's something in C:D in
which he mentions that he has memories of the Scytale in Paul's court.
Maybe the Tleilaxu Masters can change shape too? In DM, Scytale is an
independent sentient being, which it seemed that Face Dancers in the last
two books were not. My take on it is that Herbert changed his notions of
the Tleilax society and unfortunately didn't account for the
inconsistencies.
Kevin
Konchog Tsondu Tharchin
be a face dancer. I could be wrong.
Konchog Tsondu Tharchin
Buddhist monk, Drikung Kagyu
kon...@gladstone.uoregon.edu
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: WARNING POSSIBLE *CHAPTERHOUSE* SPOILER!!!!!
: In Chapterhouse, Scytale was the last remaining Tlielaxu Master.
: However, I remember he was a Face Dancer in *Messiah*. I know that the
: Tlielaxu were able to replicate themselves as gholas, BUT why would they
: want to recreate an expendable face dancer? After all it seems the face
: dancers were a dime a dozen. Did it have anything to do with the
: null-entropy capsule inside his person? Is it an inconsistency or did I
: miss something?
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cytale was in more than Chapterhouse, and Heretics of Dune, and he IS
a "MASTER". He was in Dune Messiah. He was in God Emperor.
He was a gface dancer that the Tleilaxu did not have to worry about.
He was a master, truly, and the Tleilax did not want to loose that
greatness. He was, like duncan, cloned extensively.
I leave it up to you to go read the other books, not like watching a
movie, but study them, and remember not just the pictures, but the
individual words, or at least a very concise view of the patterns,
and the way that things do occur. You will see that this tleilax is
not important, but nessecary (sp?). Herbert is a funny person.
He used a lot of anlogs, and he admits some of it. His book is like
what it is about, and being about the Bene Gesseret it is to some
extent characterized by the first complete sentence on page 485
of the book "DUNE".
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Zane
>Scytale was in more than Chapterhouse, and Heretics of Dune, and he IS
>a "MASTER". He was in Dune Messiah. He was in God Emperor.
>He was a gface dancer that the Tleilaxu did not have to worry about.
>He was a master, truly, and the Tleilax did not want to loose that
>greatness. He was, like duncan, cloned extensively.
It seems to me the Tleilaxu *did* worry about Scytale. He was
indeed the carrier of the seed of the Old Empire as well as other Tleilaxu
masters. Also, if such an individual is bestowed with *greatness*, would
the Bene Tleilax not *worry* about losing a face dancer with such
characteristics.
>I leave it up to you to go read the other books, not like watching a
>movie, but study them, and remember not just the pictures, but the
>individual words, or at least a very concise view of the patterns,
>and the way that things do occur. You will see that this tleilax is
>not important, but nessecary (sp?). Herbert is a funny person.
>He used a lot of anlogs, and he admits some of it. His book is like
>what it is about, and being about the Bene Gesseret it is to some
>extent characterized by the first complete sentence on page 485
>of the book "DUNE".
I think more understanding lies within the pattern not just
the words. I agree, to some extent, about the necessity of this
master/face dancer. However, it seems to me the necessity of the
once "dirty" Tleilaxu is exemplified by the Zensunni quality and the
behaviours of not just Scytale but a host of other Tleilaxu (i.e. Waff).
Therefore, I come to the following conclusion...This *greatness*
and experience others mentioned, was preserved by reproducing the original
in the form of a master. Also, I feel Herbert, as someone mentioned, did
want to display duality of not just the Tleilaxu society, by leaving this
avenue of face dancer to master up to the reader. Or hell, he may have just
forgotten...%^). Thanks for the input! Other ideas as always are welcomed.