Wyrm, May we speak?
Starlord
ettiquitte, but oh well.
I, and probably not a few others, are begiing to feel that your'e
starting to overstep your patrol of everyone else's nettiquitte. No
one is perfect, and you're starting to hurt people with that
meticulous attention to detail. I can understand complaining once
someone's getting out of hand with violations, but you're pointing out
and complaining about every last one, which is going a bit far. Please
relax your vigilance just a bit, would you?
Starlord
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Wyrm
Starlo...@geocities.com (Starlord) enscribed the following:
>relax your vigilance just a bit, would you?
I am what I am.
Everyone has the right to be what they are.
The newsgroup had been taking a down turn in various ways.
I do not intend to stand by and let it fall from its almost unique
position. If this offends a few on the way, well, 'The needs of the many
outweigh the needs of the few, or the one'!
Wyrm - Take heed, but not a fence! :8).
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Spitfire
>
> Greetings.
>
> Starlo...@geocities.com (Starlord) enscribed the following:
> >relax your vigilance just a bit, would you?
>
> I am what I am.
> Everyone has the right to be what they are.
Spitfire grins --
"It's comforting to know that one can indeed rely on
some things never changing -- "
> The newsgroup had been taking a down turn in various ways.
~ sad sigh and nod ~
> I do not intend to stand by and let it fall from its almost unique
> position. If this offends a few on the way, well, 'The needs of the many
> outweigh the needs of the few, or the one'!
"I salute your integrity, sir!" she announces and
pushes a humongous cheesecake in Wyrm's direction --
> Wyrm - Take heed, but not a fence! :8).
* Spitfire, arghing!
Starlord
wrote:
>Greetings.
>
>Starlo...@geocities.com (Starlord) enscribed the following:
>>relax your vigilance just a bit, would you?
>
>I am what I am.
>Everyone has the right to be what they are.
>
>The newsgroup had been taking a down turn in various ways.
>I do not intend to stand by and let it fall from its almost unique
>position. If this offends a few on the way, well, 'The needs of the many
>outweigh the needs of the few, or the one'!
It sahll not fall, since it's real virtue is the scceptance of those
who are different from the "normal world". All I'm really asking is
that you think a second before you completly squash someone. Many
people are here simply cause it's a breath of sanity in an over
conforming world. An0d the many are made up of the few.
>Wyrm - Take heed, but not a fence! :8).
>
>--
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>
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>Dragon's, coming, out of the sea.
>Shimmering silver head of wisdom looking at me.
> Peter Gabriel - Genesis.
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Aphrael
> >>relax your vigilance just a bit, would you?
> >
> >I am what I am.
> >Everyone has the right to be what they are.
> >
> >The newsgroup had been taking a down turn in various ways.
> >I do not intend to stand by and let it fall from its almost unique
> >position. If this offends a few on the way, well, 'The needs of the many
> >outweigh the needs of the few, or the one'!
> >Wyrm: http://www.wyrm.demon.co.uk/
I think what folks are asking for, is not so much that you relax your
vigilance, as that you use a little more, well, diplomatic way of dealing
with stuff? I've found people are generally quite reasonable about fixing
mistakes they've made, if you point it out in a less nasty manner. Treat
people with respect, do not hound them to the point they feel the need to
retaliate to defend themselves from your attacks - that just starts angry
arguments and flame wars, which do not belong here.
I usually agree with you when you chastise folks, but you've started
stepping over the line a bit, when you send people who make a simple
mistake fleeing the newsgroup in tears. There comes a point when you must
wonder who's the doing the trolling....Many of these mistakes are simple
newness to NGs, and a little more constructive critism, rather than just
critism would go a long way to making things run here more smoothly. And
new folks are generally very greatful to have someone give them the
correct netiquette, rather than continuing to blunder!
Now, if you try the reasonable path, and they continue to be a**h**s about
things, then by all means, have at! *grins*
-Aphrael
Black Fang, the War Serpent
Aphrael wrote in message ...
>--snips--
>> >>relax your vigilance just a bit, would you?
>> >
>> >I am what I am.
>> >Everyone has the right to be what they are.
>> >
>> >The newsgroup had been taking a down turn in various ways.
>> >I do not intend to stand by and let it fall from its almost unique
>> >position. If this offends a few on the way, well, 'The needs of the many
>> >outweigh the needs of the few, or the one'!
Aye, the Army thinks the same thing and sends many to be butchered alone in
some foreign field some where.
>> >Wyrm: http://www.wyrm.demon.co.uk/
>
>I think what folks are asking for, is not so much that you relax your
>vigilance, as that you use a little more, well, diplomatic way of dealing
>with stuff? I've found people are generally quite reasonable about fixing
>mistakes they've made, if you point it out in a less nasty manner. Treat
>people with respect, do not hound them to the point they feel the need to
>retaliate to defend themselves from your attacks - that just starts angry
>arguments and flame wars, which do not belong here.
>
>I usually agree with you when you chastise folks, but you've started
>stepping over the line a bit, when you send people who make a simple
>mistake fleeing the newsgroup in tears. There comes a point when you must
>wonder who's the doing the trolling....Many of these mistakes are simple
>newness to NGs, and a little more constructive critism, rather than just
>critism would go a long way to making things run here more smoothly. And
>new folks are generally very greatful to have someone give them the
>correct netiquette, rather than continuing to blunder!
*grins* I remember a time where I was semi-attacked for whom I am. But to
be honest I over reacted at the time, but the fact of the matter was that I
was rather on edge so it's understandable. Sure I ain't be using magic- but
I don't use it because honestly there is no special powers in this body
beyond the crudeness of it's chemicals. I got criticized for my usage of
weapontry. Did I get something wrong or isn't danger involved in most RPs?
Since I possess no magic powers and my scales are so light that they serve
as little more than kevlar, am I supposed to just wave at the baddies and
say "please surrender now". I don't think so- I whip out my old Mauser of
mundaneness and blast the place! Nothing in the AFD edetiquette states "No
wacked-out mundane dragon-mutations". So that's my gripe from long ago
concerning the past of this subject.
>Now, if you try the reasonable path, and they continue to be a**h**s about
>things, then by all means, have at! *grins*
The best tactic that I ever learned in life was to ignore. If ye don't like
somebody but they're not disrupting AFD, ignore them! Yeah I know it's
hard, but trust me this is nothing compared to face-to-face attepting to
ignore confrontation. I mean come on, use some will power =P.
>-Aphrael
-Black Fang, the War Serpent
.....just trying to figure out what I am while passing the busy streets of
life..
Dracos Silvermere
Wyrm wrote in message ...
>Greetings.
Hullo...
>I am what I am.
>Everyone has the right to be what they are.
Absolutely.. and I salute you for that opinion... but by the same right, you
have no authority to stop others from being who they are, correct?
>The newsgroup had been taking a down turn in various ways.
I can't really comment on that, cause I've only been here a week or two..
but from what I've seen, this place is a fantastic place to be, and I doubt
it could have been much better. I mean no offense when I say this, but maybe
the newsgroup taking a downturn is just your own opinion, and is not an
opinion necessarily shared by others?
>I do not intend to stand by and let it fall from its almost unique
>position. If this offends a few on the way, well, 'The needs of the many
>outweigh the needs of the few, or the one'!
Yes.. but I've _seen_ the way you stomp on some of the newbies, when quite
honestly, I don't think some of them deserved to be torn apart like that.
Sometimes you just have to encourage people a little... and if that doesn't
work, *chomp* em... and judging from the replies to this post, the 'many'
don't agree with the way you're going about things...
>Wyrm - Take heed, but not a fence! :8).
*grins* I always liked your wit... I just hope I haven't driven you to
intensely dislike me by posting what I've posted.. I just had to let my
opinion be known. "everyone has the right to be who they are", correct? :]
Blessed be...
>Wyrm: http://www.wyrm.demon.co.uk/
>
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Sometimes I think the world has gone completely
mad. But then I think, "Aw, who cares?" and
then I think, "Hey, what's for supper?"
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a.k.a. Matthew Jones.
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Insectfoil
Dracos Silvermere wrote:
>>The newsgroup had been taking a down turn in various ways.
>
>I can't really comment on that, cause I've only been here a week or two..
>but from what I've seen, this place is a fantastic place to be, and I doubt
>it could have been much better. I mean no offense when I say this, but maybe
>the newsgroup taking a downturn is just your own opinion, and is not an
>opinion necessarily shared by others?
Actually, I agree with Wyrm. AFD has been less enjoyable
for me lately. It seemed that when I first arrived, there were
many more here I could identify with, and understood my
dilemma of being a dragon in a human body. However, I
know from long Usenet use (that sounded odd..) that
newsgroups have their ups and downs, and I feel pretty
confident that AFD's next up will come around.
And, perhaps funnily, I also agree with Wyrm's critics. I've
found that it's best not to assume that a person should be
dealt with as an idiot or a troll simply because he made a
mistake. I've been surprised many times at how much of an
improvement a Usenet newbie can make with just a bit of
polite guidance. Contrary to the adage, I *don't* judge on
first impressions. If I did, I would have denied myself quite
a few of the good friends I have today.
---
Eodrakken Quicksilver
Supporter of the Worldwide Volvality Movement
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Black Fang, the War Serpent
>>two.. but from what I've seen, this place is a fantastic place to
>>be, and I doubt it could have been much better. I mean no offense
>>when I say this, but maybe the newsgroup taking a downturn is just
>>your own opinion, and is not an opinion necessarily shared by
>>others?
>Actually, I agree with Wyrm. AFD has been less enjoyable
>for me lately. It seemed that when I first arrived, there were
>many more here I could identify with, and understood my
>dilemma of being a dragon in a human body. However, I
>know from long Usenet use (that sounded odd..) that
>newsgroups have their ups and downs, and I feel pretty
>confident that AFD's next up will come around.
How has it been less enjoyable? Admittedly I haven't been around for
awhile but I'm sure nobody shares the same view points that I do so
I'll shut up on my own mad opinions because they are futile to
reflect here. But I atleast would like to know what's wrong?
Occasionally I feel personally responsible for creating this
atmosphere that the old fruits refer to but like my personal policy
has always stated - if you don't like what I have to say that don't
listen. AFD has long since been the only place I had to show my
thoughts and feelings to anybody- admittedly I've thought things that
even I didn't like, but that didn't make them go away. I can't
really identify with anybody anywhere because I'm a really really
confused individual at the moment.
>And, perhaps funnily, I also agree with Wyrm's critics. I've
>found that it's best not to assume that a person should be
>dealt with as an idiot or a troll simply because he made a
>mistake. I've been surprised many times at how much of an
>improvement a Usenet newbie can make with just a bit of
>polite guidance. Contrary to the adage, I *don't* judge on
>first impressions. If I did, I would have denied myself quite
>a few of the good friends I have today.
Heheh if I still did that then I'd be the same being I was 10 years ago.
First impressions are always misleading unless you are used to dealing with
the public- and in that case you would be a politician and we know how they
lie! =P
>---Eodrakken Quicksilver
-Black Fang, the War Serpent
~Wondering what's up as far as being's opinions~
Digital Dragon
On 18 Sep 1998 19:56:01 GMT, "Black Fang, the War Serpent" had thoughts about Re: Wyrm, May we speak?:
-----------------snip------------
> >Actually, I agree with Wyrm. AFD has been less enjoyable
> >for me lately. It seemed that when I first arrived, there were
> >many more here I could identify with, and understood my
> >dilemma of being a dragon in a human body. However, I
> >know from long Usenet use (that sounded odd..) that
> >newsgroups have their ups and downs, and I feel pretty
> >confident that AFD's next up will come around.
>
The below is NOT directed at my buddy BF:
In some way's I feel I need to side with Wyrm a little. I've had my
differences with the fire drake meself, and I've seen him tear into some
people, and I haven't always agreed with him.. For the most part I think he's just trying to keep the NG "clean."
Yes, he has a strange way of showing it at times, but he's really not a bad
sort. As for going off the deep end lately, maybe something is effecting
his personal life? Everybeing has their difficult periods. This week has
felt like "Get Wyrm" week.
For all his sarcasm and mannerisms, I would rather have Wyrm around
watching out for us, than some being doing some serious troll work.
Now, I haven't seen him really being anything other than his usual self.
But then I don't read all of his posts.
As for enjoyment. I've said it before and I'll say it again: I enjoy just
feeling everyones presence here. You all make my life bearable, knowing
that I have somewhere to come to everyday.
If you are not having any fun here, then why are you here? Start a thread!
Join an RPG or make one yourself! Start a food fight! Argue about semantics
of public lifestyles!?
MAKE THE NG WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE IT TO BE!!!
I've managed to put down roots here. You can do the same.
=Digi - Feel the Spirit! Let fly your imagination!
PS: Is it time for me to repost my cheers?
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I have only one thing to say:
Quack!
Drac!
P.S.: Translation: Even if none of the posts were directed towards me, I'd like
AFD, cause there's DRAGGIES here! ::dances around happily:: Draggies draggies
draggies...
Insectfoil
Black Fang wrote:
>AFD has been less enjoyable
>>for me lately. It seemed that when I first arrived, there were
>>many more here I could identify with, and understood my
>>dilemma of being a dragon in a human body.
<snip>
>How has it been less enjoyable?
As I said, there are fewer real dragons here than there used
to be, and more roleplaying. I do enjoy roleplaying, but it
bothers me that this has become a forum for it. I wonder why
these people didn't make the move to
alt.games.shared-world.nexus , which I subscribe to myself
and enjoy alongside AFD. It's getting to the point where I
feel that it's just as inappropriate for me to post about being
a real dragon here as it would be for me to make the same
post in a.g.s-w.n.
I apologise if it seems that I'm overreacting, but this is the
main reason that I'm uncomfortable with the direction that
AFD is headed in.
FoulDragon
>
>As I said, there are fewer real dragons here than there used
>to be, and more roleplaying. I do enjoy roleplaying, but it
>bothers me that this has become a forum for it. I wonder why
>these people didn't make the move to
>alt.games.shared-world.nexus ,
As a 'dragonfire inside' who runs both ways, I can make a couple of guesses
why:
-Sometimes, it may be more appropriate to run a RP in AFD... if you want
particular characters or the backdrop of the Dominance for example.
-Not everyone knows about a.g.s-w.n.... it may also have not achieved 100%
penetration yet.
-In general, a.g.s-w.n seems more serious. Certain stuff wouldn't play as well
there.
> It's getting to the point where I
>feel that it's just as inappropriate for me to post about being
>a real dragon here as it would be for me to make the same
>post in a.g.s-w.n.
Well, stand up and be counted! This is *your* Dominance! Shift it in your
direction! Bring up topics that would attract real dracs [will that be butter
or lemon on your greggil?]
~Marada, who wishes he never subscribed to that other group... every thread he
ended up in involves at least one image of a drac rubbed the wrong way.
Digital Dragon
On 20 Sep 1998 07:29:44 GMT, Insectfoil had thoughts about Re: Wyrm, May we speak?:
>
>
> As I said, there are fewer real dragons here than there used
> to be, and more roleplaying. I do enjoy roleplaying, but it
> bothers me that this has become a forum for it. I wonder why
> these people didn't make the move to
> alt.games.shared-world.nexus , which I subscribe to myself
> and enjoy alongside AFD. It's getting to the point where I
> feel that it's just as inappropriate for me to post about being
> a real dragon here as it would be for me to make the same
> post in a.g.s-w.n.
Well, I'm not interested in full-fledged RP'ing. And AFD is NOT headed that
way! Some of us just like to post in 3rd person from time to time.
So there's usually an RP going on here. So? I chose to start an RP here,
because its part of my dealing with my draconity. The reason for my RP is
find out what it would be like to have a mate and a child. The fact that it
is a multi-world adventure is just to add some body and fun along the way.
If you want more dragon related threads here, then why not start some? I
don't see you posting too often. Make AFD into the forum you want. This is
up to everydrac and being to do. AFD is what you make of it. (sheesh, now
I'm starting to sound like a advisor to new military rookies!)
I DARE you to start a thread! Go ahead. Do it! I know you have something
you want to discuss. Well, come on. I'm waiting. HELLOOOO!!!!
=) =) =) =) =) =) =) =)
Digi raises an eyeridge at Insectfoil and tapes his foot.
=Digi
Arcturax Kenderdragon
insec...@aol.com (Insectfoil) wrote:
> Black Fang wrote:
> >AFD has been less enjoyable
> >>for me lately. It seemed that when I first arrived, there were
> >>many more here I could identify with, and understood my
> >>dilemma of being a dragon in a human body.
>
> <snip>
>
> >How has it been less enjoyable?
>
> As I said, there are fewer real dragons here than there used
> to be, and more roleplaying. I do enjoy roleplaying, but it
> bothers me that this has become a forum for it. I wonder why
> these people didn't make the move to
> alt.games.shared-world.nexus , which I subscribe to myself
> and enjoy alongside AFD. It's getting to the point where I
> feel that it's just as inappropriate for me to post about being
> a real dragon here as it would be for me to make the same
> post in a.g.s-w.n.
>
> I apologise if it seems that I'm overreacting, but this is the
> main reason that I'm uncomfortable with the direction that
> AFD is headed in.
I missed some of this thread cause of server problems, so I feel a bit
like I am stepping into the middle of this, but I feel compelled to throw
in my two Abe Lincolns at this point.
I consider myself to be a real dragon inside. I may not be able to
physically polymorph into a dragon but I do consider myself to BE a
dragon! One thing that I have found to be quite a boost when I am down is
exploring my draconic side through role playing. A role play is a bit
like a story although an interactive one. In this way I can be nearest to
being REALLY a dragon as I can get while stuck in a RL human form. I have
found RP to be a great way to explore my draconity and to have a good time
and make friends as well. There is nothing wrong with RP at all. I agree
with what Digi and Marada said. If you want more serious dragon
discussions, START ONE!! I found myself wanting one and boy did I get it
when I started the "draconic afterlife" thread. I was overwhelmed with
all the posts that came into that thread. I read and responded to as many
as I could but it was just impossible for me to do it all. That alone
shows that this newsgroup is ever willing to host one or more interesting
"serious" disucssions about draconity. If you have a desire to talk
serious about being a dragon, start a thread with a particular question or
thought you have on the subject and it will certainly catch eyes.
>
> ---
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>
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>
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Wyrm
capo...@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Aphrael) enscribed the following:
>mistakes they've made, if you point it out in a less nasty manner. Treat
>people with respect, do not hound them to the point they feel the need to
I always treat others with respect.
>mistake fleeing the newsgroup in tears. There comes a point when you must
It is unknown, however, how they did react. They might be laughing up their
sleeve now for all you really know!
>wonder who's the doing the trolling....Many of these mistakes are simple
>newness to NGs, and a little more constructive critism, rather than just
I don't agree with the newness to NGs. Most mistakes can be put down to
laziness, another lot to deliberate acts.
>Now, if you try the reasonable path, and they continue to be a**h**s about
>things, then by all means, have at! *grins*
A slapped wrist chastises but one, an argument draws the attention of the
world!
Wyrm.
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Wyrm
"Dracos Silvermere" <silver...@mindless.com> enscribed the following:
>Wyrm wrote in message ...
>>Everyone has the right to be what they are.
>Absolutely.. and I salute you for that opinion... but by the same right, you
>have no authority to stop others from being who they are, correct?
Indeed. However, if those others have fallen to inconsiderations then I'm
not going to stand by and let it get out of hand.
>but from what I've seen, this place is a fantastic place to be, and I doubt
>it could have been much better. I mean no offense when I say this, but maybe
It used to be a lot better. It is no longer the best newsgroup, and that
should be a cause for consternation. It was originally the best newsgroup.
>Yes.. but I've _seen_ the way you stomp on some of the newbies, when quite
Rarely newbies. Newbies to this newsgroup perhaps, but definitely not
newbies to newsgroups in general - or nettiquette for that matter.
Draco39
>Greetings.
Greetings!
>"Dracos Silvermere" <silver...@mindless.com> enscribed the following:
>>Wyrm wrote in message ...
>>>Everyone has the right to be what they are.
>>Absolutely.. and I salute you for that opinion... but by the same right, you
>>have no authority to stop others from being who they are, correct?
>
>Indeed. However, if those others have fallen to inconsiderations then I'm
>not going to stand by and let it get out of hand.
That's one way of treating people who "fall to inconsiderations", I believe
you mean the annoying newsgroup trolls that haunt the news servers every
so often? :-) In my experience with other newsgroups, the best tactic would
be to just leave them alone, kill file them if possible. They only keep it up
as long as someone else does, by replying to them.
>>but from what I've seen, this place is a fantastic place to be, and I doubt
>>it could have been much better. I mean no offense when I say this, but maybe
>
>It used to be a lot better. It is no longer the best newsgroup, and that
>should be a cause for consternation. It was originally the best newsgroup.
Let's make it the best newsgroup again, I'd shall. From my lurking days here
and my active participation in it since recently, this newsgroup is one of the
best. Some other newsgroups I lurked at or participated in (for a short time)
were really *A LOT* worse! Alt.fan.dragons is /really/ not as bad as you think! :-)
>>Yes.. but I've _seen_ the way you stomp on some of the newbies, when quite
>
>Rarely newbies. Newbies to this newsgroup perhaps, but definitely not
>newbies to newsgroups in general - or nettiquette for that matter.
Nettiquette is basic common courtosy (spell?), with some little 'net specific
thingies added to it. If someone isn't able to understand or bring normal
ettiquette in practice, how can we expect them to act in NGs, places where
some people already think they do not have to abide by the rules of normal
interaction with people in the real world?
>Wyrm.
Just my two cents worth.
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<SNIPPED>
>>wonder who's the doing the trolling....Many of these mistakes are simple
>>newness to NGs, and a little more constructive critism, rather than just
>
>I don't agree with the newness to NGs. Most mistakes can be put down to
>laziness, another lot to deliberate acts.
I don't agree a 100% with that. If someone is new it's very possible they don't
know of /certain things/, like not to post in rich text (since that really messes
up some people's news readers). In short, mistakes can be contributed to
lack of experience as well as laziness or deliberate acts.
<SNIPPED>
>A slapped wrist chastises but one, an argument draws the attention of the
>world!
Very true.
>Wyrm.
ELynne
to do so... but I just couldn't help replying to this...
On 20 Sep 1998, Insectfoil wrote:
> Black Fang wrote:
> >AFD has been less enjoyable
> >>for me lately. It seemed that when I first arrived, there were
> >>many more here I could identify with, and understood my
> >>dilemma of being a dragon in a human body.
> >How has it been less enjoyable?
> As I said, there are fewer real dragons here than there used
> to be, and more roleplaying. I do enjoy roleplaying, but it
> bothers me that this has become a forum for it. I wonder why
> these people didn't make the move to
> alt.games.shared-world.nexus , which I subscribe to myself
> and enjoy alongside AFD. It's getting to the point where I
> feel that it's just as inappropriate for me to post about being
> a real dragon here as it would be for me to make the same
> post in a.g.s-w.n.
<very odd look> I don't suppose you believe I'm roleplaying? Or Sky, or
Wren, or Rai... or Wyrm, Polenth, Cerulean, Tarpan, HappyKinetic,
BluePard, Arcturax... the list goes on, y'know. We've had a couple of
long threads recently about just this issue, in which several people
mentioned that, though they participate a lot in the RP threads, they
consider themselves to be "real" to some degree. There was quite a bit of
discussion on the issue, which I mostly stayed out of because I've been
over most of it already, quite honestly, and unless somebody wants to
discuss quantum uncertainty as it relates to the Zen principles of
existentialism, I'll probably give some kind of "been there, done that"
comment and go on.
There have also recently been threads about the "psychic" or "astral"
viewing of phenomenon... there's a mini-thread I've been meaning to keep
up with Cerulen about, on the topic of meditation and basic magic
theory... there's the ongoing tarot thread, which is getting into the
Dragon Tarot... I don't do RP or FF threads either, and I skip out on a
lot of the "just social interaction" ones, and I still find plenty to keep
me occupied.
> I apologise if it seems that I'm overreacting, but this is the
> main reason that I'm uncomfortable with the direction that
> AFD is headed in.
> Eodrakken Quicksilver
Eo... you're one of the "real dragons" that I've always looked up to, and
that's the truth. Just knowing what you are all the time is something
that I think is... admirable, and it's a personal goal of mine which I may
never succeed in. (though I try to hedge the issue by always "being myself
as much as I can".) But...
When I first arrived on this newsgroup... oh, these many years ago...
>;=8) a bunch of dragons were on their way out. There was quite a bit of
posting about how they were leaving, and the place wasn't the same; things
had changed, they didn't like how things were changing... many of them
never did come back. At the time, having *just* discovered the group, I
had *no* idea what they were talking about. I think I understand better
now.
Y'see... it isn't really the newsgroup that's changed. The people here
have changed, sure; and some of the general attitudes have changed;
conventions are bound to change as some push the envelope, as people
always do, and others push back or go along... there's a drift, and
reformation. But when I first started here there was a *massive* food
fight thread in WalksFar's and Lillieths' lair, the likes of which has
only ever been equaled by the Dark Tide series. That was almost three
years ago; and since then, there's been more RPing and less at times;
there's been more serious discussions and less; there's been more angsty
claw-wringing and less; there's been more near-flamings and less. All of
these things wax and wane, like the tide.
The hardest change to deal with isn't in the object that is percieved;
it's in the perciever.
I do hope you decide to stay; your participation in the more serious
threads is something I look forward to. I've changed with the newsgroup,
several times; and several other times, I haven't changed while the
Dominance changed around me... and I still call it the Dominance, and I
still call it home. Barring some kind of massive upheaval, I will
continue to call it home. You must make the decision in your own heart,
whether this place--whatever you call it--is still your home. And there's
no law against leaving for a while and coming back occasionally (as I did,
more than once), or leaving and continuing to visit (as Burath, Tephra,
Lightning, and countless others do). Or even leaving entirely, if that is
your choice.
But I ask that you take a moment, or a day, and listen to the land and its
people breathe. We are a people, and this is a land. It's as
metaphorical as you decide it is. Our breath is the wind of change... in
and out...
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Eredien2
(Please forgive me if I didn't quote exactly right, there were a lot of names
attached to this post. )
Eo wrote:
>Insectfoil wrote:
>BF wrote:
>> As I said, there are fewer real dragons here than there used
>> to be, and more roleplaying. I do enjoy roleplaying, but it
>> bothers me that this has become a forum for it. I wonder why
>> these people didn't make the move to
>> alt.games.shared-world.nexus , which I subscribe to myself
>> and enjoy alongside AFD. It's getting to the point where I
>> feel that it's just as inappropriate for me to post about being
>> a real dragon here as it would be for me to make the same
>> post in a.g.s-w.n.
Why? I don't feel left out. Certainly there are more RP'ers here than there
have been before, but I think AFD tends to go in cycles - what goes away will
be back eventually.
And if you go, then that means that there will be one less real dragon here - I
am not telling you not to leave, no one has the right to do that, I'm just
asking you to think about it.
We still understand you, I hope, and at least the people who do RP here
understand dragons better than most. That counts for something, I hope.
Eredien ("Willow" in the Dragonspeech)
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>It used to be a lot better. It is no longer the best newsgroup, and that
>should be a cause for consternation. It was originally the best newsgroup.
Which newsgroup is the best newsgroup? Or if you can't answer that, which are
better?
Polenth
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Arcturax Kenderdragon
wrote:
> >but from what I've seen, this place is a fantastic place to be, and I doubt
> >it could have been much better. I mean no offense when I say this, but maybe
>
> It used to be a lot better. It is no longer the best newsgroup, and that
> should be a cause for consternation. It was originally the best newsgroup.
Whoa... it still is the best newsgroup, to me anyway...
Ok, before I go any further, I need to know a few things from you Wyrm...
Those things are a list of reasons you think this newsgroup is "going
downhill" and why is it "no longer the best newsgroup". Why do you think
this? I am truely interested in hearing why you think so.
Cerulean
>I always treat others with respect.
You have just accused WalksFar of "murder" during a personal moment.
This must be some rare and obsure usage of the word "respect" that I
have not previously been aware of.
>>mistake fleeing the newsgroup in tears. There comes a point when you must
>
>It is unknown, however, how they did react. They might be laughing up their
>sleeve now for all you really know!
Yes. And you might be a chinchilla pretending to be a dragon. Common
sense should dictate what to treat as real.
"Heh heh, look here, man, I'm acting like a overly sensitive person on
this newsgroup, and they actually think they've hurt my feelings. I
sure fooled them." Who would undertake such a pointless pastime, yet
still be intelligent enough to carry it off convincingly? And, if
someone tricks you into being civil to them, who has lost anything?
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WalksFar
wrote:
>Quoth Wyrm:
>
>>I always treat others with respect.
"HAH! Thou never treats me with respect . . . NONE! Case in
point, that tastless, rude bit of nastiness alluded to below!"
>
>You have just accused WalksFar of "murder" during a personal moment.
>This must be some rare and obsure usage of the word "respect" that I
>have not previously been aware of.
>
>>>mistake fleeing the newsgroup in tears. There comes a point when you must
>>
>>It is unknown, however, how they did react. They might be laughing up their
>>sleeve now for all you really know!
>
>Yes. And you might be a chinchilla pretending to be a dragon. Common
>sense should dictate what to treat as real.
>
>"Heh heh, look here, man, I'm acting like a overly sensitive person on
>this newsgroup, and they actually think they've hurt my feelings. I
>sure fooled them." Who would undertake such a pointless pastime, yet
>still be intelligent enough to carry it off convincingly? And, if
>someone tricks you into being civil to them, who has lost anything?
"If pomposity was money, Wyrm would be one of the richest
people In this world or any other. Nuff said!" WalksFar walks away.
He will talk no longer to one as rude and as unfeeling as this!
WalksFar, NUFF said!
Insectfoil
Thank you to Jia and Eredien for your encouraging words.
I have no intention of leaving the Dominance anytime soon.
I had already mentioned that trends in AFD change often,
and was not worried that it was forever ruined. All I meant
by my post was to answer someone's question about what
aspects in AFD I felt had changed for the worse. There are
clearly still many wonderful aspects of this place.
To those of you who urged me to post about things that I
want AFD to be about, you are certainly correct. Being
an admin for an email list, I have told many people not to
simply talk about problems, but to fix them. I'm sorry if it
seemed that I wasn't practicing what I preach.
The upshot of this is that I've gotten a few things off my
chest, and I feel better now that my concerns have been
discussed. As long as there are Dragons here, you can
expect to find me here as well, even if I don't have time to
post as much as I used to. Thanks.
Wyrm
kevin...@worldnet.att.net (Cerulean) enscribed the following:
>Quoth Wyrm:
>>I always treat others with respect.
>You have just accused WalksFar of "murder" during a personal moment.
>This must be some rare and obsure usage of the word "respect" that I
>have not previously been aware of.
I would request that you re-read the post again, and instead of jumping to
conclusions, try to find anywhere where I say 'Walksfar is murdering
Dragons'. I assume you know the difference between someone talking to an
individual and someone talking to a group - it's all in the context.
>Yes. And you might be a chinchilla pretending to be a dragon. Common
>sense should dictate what to treat as real.
Common sense is not very applicable here though is it. Given all the
various types of 'Dragons' whether they be in the mind, body, spirit,
imagination, or whatever.
>"Heh heh, look here, man, I'm acting like a overly sensitive person on
>this newsgroup, and they actually think they've hurt my feelings. I
>sure fooled them." Who would undertake such a pointless pastime, yet
>still be intelligent enough to carry it off convincingly? And, if
>someone tricks you into being civil to them, who has lost anything?
If they use it as an excuse not to change and not to take a little more
care and time over things, then it's the whole newsgroup who loses.
Sky_Tr...@yahoo.com
but in my humble little opinion, what started out as a simple request has
gotten waaaay out of hand. I'm not going to take sides at all, by the way.
I'd just like to say that this really isn't the place for it.
If you want to flame me over poking my nose in where it doesn't belong, my
addy is sky_tr...@yahoo.com. Please don't clutter up the newsgroup by
yelling at me.
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Wyrm
insec...@aol.com (Insectfoil) enscribed the following:
>by my post was to answer someone's question about what
>aspects in AFD I felt had changed for the worse. There are
It was a good post.
>The upshot of this is that I've gotten a few things off my
>chest, and I feel better now that my concerns have been
>discussed.
That is a very good thing too. Though I had hoped that the discussion would
be more wide ranging. I would like to see everyone being more thoughful and
caring for all others too, but that may well return in time.
Wyrm
pol...@aol.com (Polenth) enscribed the following:
>Wyrm wrote:
>>It used to be a lot better. It is no longer the best newsgroup, and that
>>should be a cause for consternation. It was originally the best newsgroup.
>Which newsgroup is the best newsgroup? Or if you can't answer that, which are
>better?
Well, I suppose it is a very subjective point of view, and perhaps I
shouldn't have used that particular statement. However uk.rec.sheds is
quite a happy newsgroup. Pointless, but happy!
Wyrm
"Draco39" <this-i...@i-hate-spam.com> enscribed the following:
>That's one way of treating people who "fall to inconsiderations", I believe
>you mean the annoying newsgroup trolls that haunt the news servers every
They are dealt with in other ways. I am very active in that respect.
>Let's make it the best newsgroup again, I'd shall. From my lurking days here
That's all that I want.
>and my active participation in it since recently, this newsgroup is one of the
>best. Some other newsgroups I lurked at or participated in (for a short time)
>were really *A LOT* worse! Alt.fan.dragons is /really/ not as bad as you think!
Maybe it isn't., but it just seems like it. I'm expectionally protective of
this newsgroup as it is now a very large part of me, and that means that
times can be very painful.
>some people already think they do not have to abide by the rules of normal
>interaction with people in the real world?
That's quite true. However, I'm hoping that even those will be educated in
the ways of Dragons rather than leave.
Wyrm
Arcturax_K...@aol.com (Arcturax Kenderdragon) enscribed the following:
>Whoa... it still is the best newsgroup, to me anyway...
That's not a bad thing. It means there is hope! :8)
>Ok, before I go any further, I need to know a few things from you Wyrm...
>Those things are a list of reasons you think this newsgroup is "going
>downhill" and why is it "no longer the best newsgroup". Why do you think
>this? I am truely interested in hearing why you think so.
I am concerned over the apparent lack of thoughtfulness of contributors to
the newsgroup.
I am concerned over the way the newsgroup is slowly getting more and more
violent.
I am concerned about the lack of Dragon material, and no, RPGs do not make
up for it.
Aphrael
> care and time over things, then it's the whole newsgroup who loses.
>
> Wyrm.
Wyrm? Did it ever occur to you that constant nagging, nattering and
endless post of You Spelled That Wrong or You Forgot to Do This Piece of
Netiquette are dragging down the quality of the group? I've lost track of
how many posts that started as interesting have gotten trashed by the
endless arguing that's been fostered. Arguing does not solve the problem
- Endless posts saying the same gripe do not improve the quality of this
list. They merely clutter it with more detritus. If you really must
comment, make a civil, respectful comment to the person privately by
email. I am asking you, PLEASE quit cluttering our NG with these
netiquette posts - Nobody has fun while be quoted at by a rules lawyer.
Please, follow your own rules and stop the waste of bandwidth. If you
really want to improve the quality of the posts, try starting a
discussion, rather than criticising them.
Thank you, and I hope you will seriously consider this.
-Aphrael
Eric Larson
>the newsgroup.
>I am concerned over the way the newsgroup is slowly getting more and more
>violent.
>I am concerned about the lack of Dragon material, and no, RPGs do not make
>up for it.
Okay. I think we stumbled on something important here. I'm horrible with
remembering dates, but I can tell you how I remember the newsgroup when I
first got here. There were more food fights, though I heard that there
were even more a while ago. A couple of trolls popped up every now and
again, but they never posted more than once when they discovered our lack
of angry reactions. Wyrm, I remember your conversation (heh) with Polenth
in the "What's so funny" thread, and your lengthy Did not, Did too string.
I think that, had you seen it now, you might have complained about how
Polenth posted one line posts, while quoting more that was neccesary to be
understood. I also remember that you never corrected other dragons'
spelling except for humor purposes, (such as, "I take your pint" and
rarely complained about netiquette, although for the most part it doesn't
seem to have changed that much, in my opinion. I remember discussions on
behavior, both human and draconic, and about RL. I remember disagreeing
with your philosophy that all actions are for selfish reasons (I still do)
but staying civil about it. There were some semi-violent RP's just as now.
I do think that we should find new dragon related things to talk about,
but I hardly think that this newsgroup is falling apart. That having been
said, I also think that there's been too much bickering with Wyrm and that
we should move on as soon as possible.
>
>Wyrm.
>
Regdren Colermath
wren_fla...@my-dejanews.com
elynne@concentricdotnet wrote:
> I've been staying out of this thread, and perhaps I should have continued
> to do so... but I just couldn't help replying to this...
>
No! Post away!
<snip>
> > As I said, there are fewer real dragons here than there used
> > to be, and more roleplaying. I do enjoy roleplaying, but it
> > bothers me that this has become a forum for it. I wonder why
> > these people didn't make the move to
> > alt.games.shared-world.nexus , which I subscribe to myself
> > and enjoy alongside AFD. It's getting to the point where I
> > feel that it's just as inappropriate for me to post about being
> > a real dragon here as it would be for me to make the same
> > post in a.g.s-w.n.
>
> <very odd look> I don't suppose you believe I'm roleplaying? Or Sky, or
> Wren, or Rai... or Wyrm, Polenth, Cerulean, Tarpan, HappyKinetic,
> BluePard, Arcturax... the list goes on, y'know. We've had a couple of
> long threads recently about just this issue, in which several people
> mentioned that, though they participate a lot in the RP threads, they
> consider themselves to be "real" to some degree. There was quite a bit of
I wonder who started them?
>;=8)
> discussion on the issue, which I mostly stayed out of because I've been
> over most of it already, quite honestly, and unless somebody wants to
> discuss quantum uncertainty as it relates to the Zen principles of
> existentialism, I'll probably give some kind of "been there, done that"
> comment and go on.
>
If Jia falls in the forest...?
> There have also recently been threads about the "psychic" or "astral"
> viewing of phenomenon... there's a mini-thread I've been meaning to keep
Yep. I loved that. I keep feeling that something ( A dragon? ) is watching
me...
I'd say it was paranoia, but I dont feel frightened or anything...
(Why should I be?)
> up with Cerulen about, on the topic of meditation and basic magic
> theory... there's the ongoing tarot thread, which is getting into the
> Dragon Tarot... I don't do RP or FF threads either, and I skip out on a
> lot of the "just social interaction" ones, and I still find plenty to keep
> me occupied.
>
I've stopped doing FFs, and I wasnt much for the "social interaction"
threads, so...
> > I apologise if it seems that I'm overreacting, but this is the
> > main reason that I'm uncomfortable with the direction that
> > AFD is headed in.
> > Eodrakken Quicksilver
>
> Eo... you're one of the "real dragons" that I've always looked up to, and
> that's the truth. Just knowing what you are all the time is something
I could say the same of you, Jia.
> that I think is... admirable, and it's a personal goal of mine which I may
> never succeed in. (though I try to hedge the issue by always "being myself
> as much as I can".) But...
>
You have trouble in knowing you're a dragon 100% of the time?
I *used* to... but not any more.
> When I first arrived on this newsgroup... oh, these many years ago...
> >;=8) a bunch of dragons were on their way out. There was quite a bit of
> posting about how they were leaving, and the place wasn't the same; things
> had changed, they didn't like how things were changing... many of them
> never did come back. At the time, having *just* discovered the group, I
> had *no* idea what they were talking about. I think I understand better
> now.
>
Yep. Funny how history repeats itself, isnt it?
(I remember the same thing happening to me...)
> Y'see... it isn't really the newsgroup that's changed. The people here
> have changed, sure; and some of the general attitudes have changed;
> conventions are bound to change as some push the envelope, as people
> always do, and others push back or go along... there's a drift, and
> reformation. But when I first started here there was a *massive* food
> fight thread in WalksFar's and Lillieths' lair, the likes of which has
> only ever been equaled by the Dark Tide series. That was almost three
> years ago; and since then, there's been more RPing and less at times;
> there's been more serious discussions and less; there's been more angsty
> claw-wringing and less; there's been more near-flamings and less. All of
> these things wax and wane, like the tide.
>
Yes. I guess so.
> The hardest change to deal with isn't in the object that is percieved;
> it's in the perciever.
>
Indeed.
> I do hope you decide to stay; your participation in the more serious
> threads is something I look forward to. I've changed with the newsgroup,
> several times; and several other times, I haven't changed while the
> Dominance changed around me... and I still call it the Dominance, and I
> still call it home. Barring some kind of massive upheaval, I will
> continue to call it home. You must make the decision in your own heart,
Same here.
It is Alfandra, it is home.
> whether this place--whatever you call it--is still your home. And there's
> no law against leaving for a while and coming back occasionally (as I did,
> more than once), or leaving and continuing to visit (as Burath, Tephra,
> Lightning, and countless others do). Or even leaving entirely, if that is
> your choice.
>
Please, do not leave forever... you would be greatly missed.
> But I ask that you take a moment, or a day, and listen to the land and its
> people breathe. We are a people, and this is a land. It's as
> metaphorical as you decide it is. Our breath is the wind of change... in
> and out...
>
Lovely image, Jia.
Some quotes...
"Change is inevitable" - Someone or other
"He knows changes arent permanent, but change is" - Rush
> --
> -- Jia Maebashi, The Procrastinating Draconid
> DC2:HaD(draconid) f+ s++ CR(hairK) a d+++ WL^+ Fr++ B- e-- U+ PfGa
> Jia and her human incarnation, Erin, can be reached at
> ELynneatconcentricdotnet (replace with @ & .)
> Information about draconids can be found at
> http://www.furnation.com/Kaijima/draconid.html
> Portraits at http://home.att.net/~kevinpease/tower/portrait/index.html
> and http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Station/5120/JIA_MAEBASHI.jpg
> ... thanks, Cerulean and Skylara! >:=8)
>
>
And some thoughts...
I wish I'd been here back in the days when Kai still visited.
I think, maybe, if I left... somedrac may say the same of me...
(That would be an honour.)
But unless something *BIG* happens to me, I will always be here.
For as long as is draconically possible (15 foot?).
And, now I think of it... I never saw much of Eo... certainly not as much as
I'd have liked to... Please stay!
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Polenth
>pol...@aol.com (Polenth) enscribed the following:
>
>Well, I suppose it is a very subjective point of view, and perhaps I
>shouldn't have used that particular statement. However uk.rec.sheds is
>quite a happy newsgroup. Pointless, but happy!
I'll be sure to check uk.rec.sheds out!
Though, do I have to be a shed to post?
Polenth
in the wrong? A lot of you.
Wyrm's error is that he doesn't use any tact. If he had, more creatures would
have really read what he wrote, and more would now be cutting down the amount
they quote. What's happened instead is because they were upset, those who quote
too much are keeping it in, just to spite Wyrm, with the extreme behaviour of
Blackfang, who created a post of nonsense. That's the sort of reaction that
happens when tact and discretion are totally absent from an statement.
However, on the positive side, Wyrm is correct in saying that too many
creatures consistantly quote too much, and it does make it harder for people to
keep up, so much so that some leave.
Which means those not cutting quotes just to get revenge on Wyrm, are making
other's suffer. Which is wrong. Now is the time to start pruning your posts.
Some others of you did to Wyrm what you said he shouldn't do to others. You
publically took him to task for it. For minor misdemenors public posts are ok,
but something like this just creates public flame wars etc. Next time, try
email perhaps. It'll have the same impact on Wyrm, and less negative impact on
the group.
On the rightness side, telling Wyrm was probably a good idea, because if he
carries on as he is, it'd create even more flamewars, without having any
positive effects on netiquette standards. However, some fell into the lack of
tact problem. Telling Wyrm he's a stupid b******d, who's totally wrong in every
way isn't going to persuade him to alter his wording a bit. And you aren't
exactly in a position to complain if you've just done the same thing.
No one's totally to blame, and no one is totally right, but what many seem to
be doing is not admitting they did something wrong. If you want to think that
fine, but think it in the confines of your mind, and stop arguing here. From
what I've read, there's nothing else constructive for any of you to say.
There's no point in going in circles. If you want to pointlessly rehash the
arguments, email the person(s) in question. There are a lot who aren't part of
this argument, and a fair number of newcomers. They needn't be dragged into it,
just because some creatures are too proud to admit they've made mistakes, and
the other side has an equally valid point.
Going to the general theme of taking this off the newsgroup, if you want to
flame me, do it by email, and don't reply to the group. If you want to refute
what I've said because there's no possible way you were in the wrong, either
stew quietly in a corner somewhere, or send me an email. Please don't post
replies to this... it'll only continue things further.
Instead, we can talk about the constructive things, like dragons and pixies,
and all the things we should be talking about.
Digital Dragon
On Tue, 22 Sep 1998 11:16:47 GMT, Wyrm had thoughts about Re: Wyrm, May we speak?:
> Greetings.
>
> I am concerned over the apparent lack of thoughtfulness of contributors to
> the newsgroup.
> I am concerned over the way the newsgroup is slowly getting more and more
> violent.
> I am concerned about the lack of Dragon material, and no, RPGs do not make
> up for it.
>
All I can say is there is a lack of direct dragon material. What can I do?
We can't have dragon stuff all the time, as much as I would like it. One
can only talk so much about a given topic, no matter how much the topic is
enjoyed.
There comes a time in any conversation when there is no more to be said. It
is also possible that everything ends around the same time, and people post
just to keep the NG going. And to perhaps provoke some spontenaety.
It just is not possible to be discussing something draconic all the time.
That would take careful planning. Would you be willing to do it?
I agree the RPs do not make up for it. They are for recreation.
At the moment, I use AFD to communicate with like-minded beings, no matter
what their form.
It's also a great place (beside possibly Draconic) to meet people.
Is this perhaps time for alt.lifestyle.dragons ?
=Digi
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Taarkoth
> be more wide ranging. I would like to see everyone being more thoughful and
> caring for all others too, but that may well return in time.
With all due respect Wyrm, you are hardly following your own advice.
I've gone back and looked at all your posts telling people where there
nettiquette was wrong. Quite a few times you were far more harsh than
you had any excuse to be, and please don't give me the line about how it
encourages others not to make the same mistake. It doesn't. And yes, you
have been nitpicking quite a lot, lately.
Though in all fairness to our esteemed fire drake, a lot of you others
have been even more scathing in your replies to Wyrm's nettiquette
correction posts(eh, BF?;), which is also uncalled for, and for the same
reasons that Wyrm is guilty of. Quite a few of you(though certainly not
all) are hurting a lot more feelings than is neccessary in order to get
this mess cleared up.
Though its a bit cliched, all of you need to take off those incredibly
tight undergarments you must be wearing and forgive each other. And just
in case any of you are offended by this post, then I offer my apologies
in advance.
...
...
...
I wrote a serious post! I must not be feeling very well, so I better
stop before my head implodes or something. My next post'll be silly, I
promise! :)
--
Taarkoth Nekazarthon of Clan Stormcrest
DC.D f+ s h++ CE^S a $ (m) (d) WL^+* Fr++ L* BR g- i U-
"Being open minded is good, but not so much that your
brains fall out" -Carl Sagan
Taarkoth
> and all the things we should be talking about.
Hah! I'm replying to this message in order to spite you! Mwahaha! :)
And since I promised in my previous post that my next one(this) will be
silly...
Chocolate Dragon the Pixie, *Whee!*
Hopped down out of his tree. *Whoosh!*
He went for a walk in the forest, *Yah!*
I can't think of something to put here. *Doh!*
While very badly humming 'Dixie'. *Argh!*
He tripped over an acorn, *Aaah!*
And landed in a pond. *Splash!*
He stood up, sopping wet, *Heeenryyyyy! Stop dripping on my floor!*
And yelled
VerybadthingsabouttheacornthatIamnotgoingtorepeatsincetheyarejustnotthe-
sortofthinganyoneshouldsayinpublicletaloneaprimeparagonofvirtuesuchasmyself,
*Oh!*
Then went bouncing his merry way! *Woohoo!*
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Aardvark!
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Taarkoth Nekazarthon of Clan Stormcrest
DC.D f+ s h++ CE^S a $ (m) (d) WL^+* Fr++ L* BR g- i U-
"Being open minded is good, but not so much that your
brains fall out" -Carl Sagan
PS. Okay, so it wasn't that silly. It's not my fault. It was the
one-armed man.
Insectfoil
Wren Flametongue wrote:
>And, now I think of it... I never saw much of Eo... certainly not as much as
>I'd have liked to... Please stay!
As I said, I am staying. I don't think I ever said I was going
to leave.
As to not seeing much of me, I'm not surprised. For many
months I've lurked more than I've posted. This was partly
out of being busy, and partly out of simply enjoying listening
in on conversations. I hope to have time to post more often
now, and get to know those who have arrived since I
stopped participating as much.
And incidentally, if you wish to talk to me I am on #afd a -lot-!
Cerulean
>If they use it as an excuse not to change and not to take a little more
>care and time over things, then it's the whole newsgroup who loses.
Wyrm, listen. I am all for the things you advocate. I believe it is
important that people should edit, save space, et cetera. But I,
unlike you, have the understanding of animal nature to know that the
message will not be recieved unless it is presented with tact.
There are now a number of dragons who seem to be wasting bandwidth
deliberately to spite you. I submit that these people might have been
taught the virtues of conservation had you not insulted them. This, I
regret to have to say, makes you part of the problem.
This shall be my final word on the subject, since I wish to minimize
my hypocrisy; the harsh reaction you are getting is causing you to dig
in your heels in exactly the same manner, and I don't want to also be
a part of the problem by iteration of that principle.
Wyrm
cdl...@hiwaay.net enscribed the following:
> With all due respect Wyrm, you are hardly following your own advice.
Because I am not particularly good at dispensing critisism. However, I do
seem to be the only one who cares about the newsgroup (and *all* its
participants) to try to make things better.
> Though in all fairness to our esteemed fire drake, a lot of you others
>have been even more scathing in your replies to Wyrm's nettiquette
That I can deal with. I am especially forgiving. It's better to have a
single focus of agression than have it break out sporadically.
Wyrm
capo...@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Aphrael) enscribed the following:
>> If they use it as an excuse not to change and not to take a little more
>> care and time over things, then it's the whole newsgroup who loses.
>Wyrm? Did it ever occur to you that constant nagging, nattering and
>endless post of You Spelled That Wrong or You Forgot to Do This Piece of
>Netiquette are dragging down the quality of the group? I've lost track of
If you do a search back over DejaNews for the past year, you will find that
it is not constant, and there are no endless posts of 'you spelled that
wrong'. In fact, I rarely do correct spelling, unless it's in jest or for
educational reasons - and even then its rare. As for nettiquette, you'll
find again that it is a small proportion of the posts.
>how many posts that started as interesting have gotten trashed by the
>endless arguing that's been fostered. Arguing does not solve the problem
It's only arguing when the person who you've told (and should know better)
decides that they aren't going to show respect to all and try to justify
what they do. In the past, the majority would take the caring, thoughtful
approach, however now it seems like everyone just says 'I don't care about
anyone else' all the time.
>- Endless posts saying the same gripe do not improve the quality of this
>list. They merely clutter it with more detritus. If you really must
The point of posting the complaint is that everyone gets to see it and
hopefully everyone will look at themselves to see if they are doing the
same. In that respect it isn't detritus. I do send private e-mails when
what I have to say is private (that's another nettiquette item).
>really want to improve the quality of the posts, try starting a
>discussion, rather than criticising them.
It's not that easy. Just start a discusion and 'hey presto' everyone
suddenly starts cutting quoted posts, chopping off .sigs, being thoughtful,
respectful, and caring to all other dragons (and assorted species on the
newsgroup)!?!? I think not. However, a point strongly made will get through
to everyone in time, and hopefully everyone will take it on board.
In the past (years ago), when someone posted a request to cut the reams of
quoted posts and .sigs in replies, every Dragon responded by saying that it
was a sensible thing to do, and that was the end of it (even the Dragon
whose post was replied to). These days, things are not the same.
Wyrm
pol...@aol.com (Polenth) enscribed the following:
>Wyrm wrote:
>>pol...@aol.com (Polenth) enscribed the following:
>>However uk.rec.sheds is
>>quite a happy newsgroup. Pointless, but happy!
>I'll be sure to check uk.rec.sheds out!
>Though, do I have to be a shed to post?
Not from what I've observerd.
Neither do you seem to have to own a shed!
Wyrm
rla...@monmouth.com (Eric Larson) enscribed the following:
>first got here. There were more food fights, though I heard that there
>were even more a while ago. A couple of trolls popped up every now and
Many years ago, there were food fights in almost every other thread!
>in the "What's so funny" thread, and your lengthy Did not, Did too string.
There were more to those posts than just the Did not - Did too bit. Plus we
were also snipping off parts of the previous posts as they became
irrelevant. I am always mindful of quoting too much post.
>said, I also think that there's been too much bickering with Wyrm and that
>we should move on as soon as possible.
However, everyone should take heed of the issues raised.
Eric Larson
recent post to this thread didn't make it here. Actually, do tell me if it
didn't, so I can repost it without guilt. It was about what I remembered
about this group when I first joined. I just need to know that SOMEONE
read my opinion, so if you saw it, let me know.
Regdren Colermath
Eric Larson
>Many years ago, there were food fights in almost every other thread!
Wow. I don't really know how I'd keep up with all of them, though, now
that you mention it, it doesn't seem like such a bad thing.
>There were more to those posts than just the Did not - Did too bit. Plus we
>were also snipping off parts of the previous posts as they became
>irrelevant. I am always mindful of quoting too much post.
I thought I had referred to it as PART of the thread, I must not have said
it clearly. Well, rest assured I'm aware of your discussion with Polenth
of, among other things, what language mushrooms speak. }:=8) As for the
other thing I'm trying to say, its....well, you seemed to be much nicer
about correcting others a while ago, and that's why this argument never
happened before. That's my opinion, anyway. I'm sure you're careful about
your own posts, otherwise you'd have to yell at yourself! Hmmmmm...on the
other claw, that's something I'd like to see sometime...}:=8)
>However, everyone should take heed of the issues raised.
I agree that these are important issues, but I think that rather than what
should be a calm, intelligent discussion, a lot of this is simple
defiance, and some of it gets too close to flaming for my comfort. That's
what I'd like to see stopped as soon as possible.
>Wyrm.
Regdren Colermath
Eric Larson
rla...@monmouth.com (Eric Larson) wrote:
> I just need to know that SOMEONE read my opinion, so if you saw it, let
me know.
>
*Regdren sends above post. Five seconds later, he sees Wyrm's response to
his opinion post. An knight hits Regdren over the head with a trout.*
Figures. Right, uh....sorry. This sort of thing seems to be happening to
me a lot recently....maybe my newsreader should give my a five minute
waiting period before I can post what I just typed.
Regdren Colermath
dragonfly
* yelling
can everyone listen?
im sure it says in the FAQ that any arguments or disagrements arouse,
dragons should take them to e-mail. and if the FAQ doesnt says that then
it should. it doesnt exactly look good to [the newbies] have an argument
as the biggest thread and although you need to say what you feel to
wyrm, i think its best you take it to e-mail and try and sort it out
because i dont like to see any one of the Dominance dragons arguing.
-- moon starr - who doesnt think it'll work.. :(
DC.D f--- a- d+++ (m) CB&S WL++*
L--- g- Z e FR++ h+ $-- i- s++ U
drag...@stormi.demon.co.uk
It's either this or that way
It's one way or the other
It should be one direction
It could be on reflection
The turn I have just taken
The turn that I was making
I might be just beginning
I might be near the end.
Eny
BluePard
> In article <Pine.SUN.4.01.98092...@mariner.cris.com>,
> elynne@concentricdotnet wrote:
> > > As I said, there are fewer real dragons here than there used
> > > to be, and more roleplaying. I do enjoy roleplaying, but it
> > > bothers me that this has become a forum for it. I wonder why
> > > these people didn't make the move to
> > > alt.games.shared-world.nexus , which I subscribe to myself
> > > and enjoy alongside AFD. It's getting to the point where I
> > > feel that it's just as inappropriate for me to post about being
> > > a real dragon here as it would be for me to make the same
> > > post in a.g.s-w.n.
> >
> > <very odd look> I don't suppose you believe I'm roleplaying? Or Sky, or
> > Wren, or Rai... or Wyrm, Polenth, Cerulean, Tarpan, HappyKinetic,
> > BluePard, Arcturax...
I'm afraid, tho, that I'm not a real dragon! Or a dragon in any way...
But, I can still relate to yas guys. I can feel kindred, and goodness
knows I'm the only of my kind, with beings large enough to blow me over
with their breath, beings smaller than my paw, beings scaled,
coldblooded or with bat type wings, different number of limbs...
Well, anyway, while our dear Really Real Humans (TM) might never have
felt the ache of phantom limbs, some of them can feel as much kindred
with a dragon as I can.
I'm going to warp Bry's old saying to add, "Mythicness is a state of
mind."
Um, I'm done wid me equality rant, now. :)
> > Y'see... it isn't really the newsgroup that's changed. The people here
> > have changed, sure; and some of the general attitudes have changed;
[snip]
> > The hardest change to deal with isn't in the object that is percieved;
> > it's in the perciever.
As I'm quite aware! I'm in that interesting position at the moment...
very close to leaving the gryphon guild, I have been lately... most of
it, tho, has simply been in my perception of what's going on. That, plus
when I arrived, I was the only newbie, defiantly trying to undermine the
authority of those who'd been around since before the guild was even the
guild [okay, so bry came 6 months after it started]. Now I'm in the
interesting position of being the only one of that gang that still posts
regularily... and I seem to be taking the place of stodgy old stickler,
which isn't a mold I take to well... ack! I must get leon back! At least
then I'll have one oldie to tease, and he's good at being stodgy! :)
(yeah, I'm done rambling on stuff most in the group have never heard of,
now :)
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Polenth
Taarkoth wrote:
>> Instead, we can talk about the constructive things, like dragons and
>>pixies,
>> and all the things we should be talking about.
>
>Hah! I'm replying to this message in order to spite you! Mwahaha! :)
>
>And since I promised in my previous post that my next one(this) will be
>silly...
'Tis ok to reply if you're being silly. :) Sadly it was a totally wasted post,
as the arguments still haven't been taken to email like they should.
>Chocolate Dragon the Pixie, *Whee!*
>Hopped down out of his tree. *Whoosh!*
>He went for a walk in the forest, *Yah!*
>I can't think of something to put here. *Doh!*
'And trundled down to the sea' maybe?
>While very badly humming 'Dixie'. *Argh!*
>He tripped over an acorn, *Aaah!*
>And landed in a pond. *Splash!*
>He stood up, sopping wet, *Heeenryyyyy! Stop dripping on my floor!*
>And yelled
>VerybadthingsabouttheacornthatIamnotgoingtorepeatsincetheyarejustnotthe-
>sortofthinganyoneshouldsayinpublicletaloneaprimeparagonofvirtuesuchasmyself,
>*Oh!*
You're a paragon of virtue? I'd never of guessed it! :)
>Then went bouncing his merry way! *Woohoo!*
>
>Aardvark!
Pangolin!
Polenth
Wyrm wrote:
>pol...@aol.com (Polenth) enscribed the following:
>>Though, do I have to be a shed to post?
>
>Not from what I've observerd.
>Neither do you seem to have to own a shed!
Well, I have part use of an ickle shed anyway. And I look after it, and
decorate it at Christmas and stuff, so that it feels loved.
Arcturax Kenderdragon
wrote:
> In the past (years ago), when someone posted a request to cut the reams of
> quoted posts and .sigs in replies, every Dragon responded by saying that it
> was a sensible thing to do, and that was the end of it (even the Dragon
> whose post was replied to). These days, things are not the same.
Maybe its because they ASKED NICELY? I didn't see that post as I haven't
been here long enough, but my guess is they made their point in a
diplomatic way and didn't throw about accusations of "murdering dragons"
and such.
--
Arcturax Kenderdragon, Clan Stormchaser
Email: Arcturax_K...@aol.com
Remove _Kenderdragon to undo the spamblock
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"He's wise enough to win the world yet fool enough to lose it." - Rush
Taarkoth
> seem to be the only one who cares about the newsgroup (and *all* its
> participants) to try to make things better.
Aw, come on. It's not _that_ hard to be polite. :) And "Please stop
doing
whatever, as it wastes bandwidth and makes reading the newsgroup
difficult for
some people." is more likely to be well received than "Blahblah is a
breach of
nettiquette. Please stop or your isp will be contacted.", which is a
rough
approximation of some of your nettiquette correction posts from a few
weeks
back.
Just give it try, okay? I'll give you cheesecake. :)
> That I can deal with. I am especially forgiving. It's better to have a
> single focus of agression than have it break out sporadically.
/begin hollow-voice-of-doom/
The newsgroup is falling apart. respectable dragons are turning into
rabid flamers before our eyes. The whole of the Dominance is becoming
inhospitable ruins. Existence as we know it is coming to an end.
Armageddon is upon us.
/end hollow-voice-of-doom/
.
.
.
.
.
Next on Jerry Springer! ;)
Taarkoth
> as the arguments still haven't been taken to email like they should.
Oh, okay then(darn;). And its not a total waste. I replied to it, didn't
I? :)
> >I can't think of something to put here. *Doh!*
>
> 'And trundled down to the sea' maybe?
No. Please refrain from adding things to my pathetic excuse of a stupid
song. ;)
> You're a paragon of virtue? I'd never of guessed it! :)
Of course! Wasn't it obvious? :)
> >Aardvark!
> Pangolin!
Gibbon!
Wyrm
cdl...@hiwaay.net enscribed the following:
> Aw, come on. It's not _that_ hard to be polite. :) And "Please stop
If others would take it on themselves to guide, then I could keep nice and
quiet, and spend more time snuffling cheesecake.
Wyrm
Arcturax_K...@aol.com (Arcturax Kenderdragon) enscribed the following:
>Maybe its because they ASKED NICELY? I didn't see that post as I haven't
No.
It's because they would take the posts (there was more than one occasion)
in a lighter tone, rather jumping to conclusions and assuming everything is
a put-down or insult.
Polenth
Taarkoth wrote:
>
>Oh, okay then(darn;). And its not a total waste. I replied to it, didn't
>I? :)
As I said, 'twas a total waste... :)
>> >I can't think of something to put here. *Doh!*
>>
>> 'And trundled down to the sea' maybe?
>
>No. Please refrain from adding things to my pathetic excuse of a stupid
>song. ;)
If you're allowed to make up silly songs, then I'm allowed to change them! :)
>> You're a paragon of virtue? I'd never of guessed it! :)
>
>Of course! Wasn't it obvious? :)
Er... nope. Actually, I'd always thought of you as rather corrupt! :)
>> >Aardvark!
>> Pangolin!
>Gibbon!
Jaguarundi!
Polenth
Wyrm wrote:
>cdl...@hiwaay.net enscribed the following:
>> Aw, come on. It's not _that_ hard to be polite. :)
>
>If others would take it on themselves to guide, then I could keep nice and
>quiet, and spend more time snuffling cheesecake.
>
You eat cheescake though your nose?
Polenth - wondering if Wyrm has a different definition of 'snuffling' to her.
Taarkoth
Ah. Perhaps your ri- HEY!! *g*
> If you're allowed to make up silly songs, then I'm allowed to change them! :)
Why? Go make your own silly songs! Leave mine alone! ;)
> Er... nope. Actually, I'd always thought of you as rather corrupt! :)
And what exactly is that supposed to mean? :)
> >> >Aardvark!
> >> Pangolin!
> >Gibbon!
> Jaguarundi!
Large hairy pianos named Bob!
Taarkoth
> popped into my head. ::thwapself:: "And Vegita thought Nappa was an
> idiot...ay..."
Lothgar the Ill-postured! Eric the Large! Gee, this is fun... Flying
churches that say "Gibble"! Weena Mercatur as the Hopping Woman!
Cerulean
>If others would take it on themselves to guide, then I could keep nice and
>quiet, and spend more time snuffling cheesecake.
It is often the case, in situations where one person feels like he has
to do something because nobody else will, that others would do that
thing if they could beat him to it. That's why I like living alone;
nobody takes out the garbage or washes the dishes for me and then
complains that they've done it. Such problems are unavoidable where
more than one person has to live together (like AFD), and "I would
have done it" really isn't a good excuse when the garbage has been
crammed full for a while. Plus, it is very intimidating to recieve
many multiples of the same complaint when one has made an honest
mistake.
That is why I think it would be a good idea to reinstate the formal
Welcome Weyr system as it once was, working in cycles, and amend
etiquette-correction duties. Obviously, the volunteers would have to
have the time to read everything in the newsgroup (with perhaps an
exception for marked RPG's; the people who run the threads can control
them as they see fit).
JabDragon
>Gibbon!
Quagga! Quetzal! Saurian! Saiyan! "I resent that implication." Sorry. It just
popped into my head. ::thwapself:: "And Vegita thought Nappa was an
idiot...ay..."
The Drac Who Says Quack
Shadow the Suspiciously Silent(bum bum bummmmm!)
Ryanshi the Neo-Saiyan
Bloo...@sudbury.incoltd.com
kevin...@worldnet.att.net (Cerulean) wrote:
> Quoth Wyrm:
>
> >I always treat others with respect.
Ha! Respect indeed! You may want to rephrase that somehow to, ya maybe I
sometimes treat some people with respect. You certainly have shown no respect
for me.
> You have just accused WalksFar of "murder" during a personal moment.
> This must be some rare and obsure usage of the word "respect" that I
> have not previously been aware of.
Indeed, Wyrm you need a new deffinition for respect.
> >>mistake fleeing the newsgroup in tears. There comes a point when you must
> >
> >It is unknown, however, how they did react. They might be laughing up their
> >sleeve now for all you really know!
LAUGHING! I'm not laughing I don't see anyone else laughing! Do you?
>Common
> sense should dictate what to treat as real.
I agree. One does not go around making up false feelings, at least I know I
don't.
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> decides that they aren't going to show respect to all and try to justify
> what they do. In the past, the majority would take the caring, thoughtful
> approach, however now it seems like everyone just says 'I don't care about
> anyone else' all the time.
And, Wyrm, do you care about others? Because if you did I would think you
would listen to what all these good dracs are trying to tell you. If you
really cared about others feelings that you would be far more gentil in
corecting them, and didn't fly off the handle every time a mistake is made.
I'm not saying this to be rude, or cruel, but because you concern me. Why is
it you are so harsh to some? Why do you feel you have to correct everyone? My
appologies in advance if any of this offends you, but Wyrm, you worry me. Why
does anyone hurt another and then blame it on some form of nettiquitte or
another. And why do you always treat the problems that arise from your
accusations as if they are always someone elses fault?
> Wyrm.
Polenth
Taarkoth wrote:
>> If you're allowed to make up silly songs, then I'm allowed to change them!
>>:)
>
>Why? Go make your own silly songs! Leave mine alone! ;)
I've already made my silly songs, which is why I'm interferring with yours! :)
>> Er... nope. Actually, I'd always thought of you as rather corrupt! :)
>
>And what exactly is that supposed to mean? :)
It means that you certainly don't act like a paragon of virture! You aren't
paragon shaped for a start! :)
>> >Gibbon!
>> Jaguarundi!
>
>Large hairy pianos named Bob!
Little jingly pixies called Sue!
Polenth
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Eredien2
Digi wrote:
>Is this perhaps time for alt.lifestyle.dragons ?
"Oh, no."
Eredien sighs. Those are the words she has always been dreading to hear since
she found this place.
"Please, no! One thing I truly love about the Dominance is that dragons, and
non-dragons, and humans who like dragons, can get together in one place and
talk about *anything* that matters to them. Whether it is roleplaying or not, I
think that one of the most important things about Alfandria is this unity. Of
course we may disagree and fight sometimes , but who does not? Please, please,
don't let this happen."
Eredien smiles sadly.
"Besides, I would not know which group to join."
Eredien ("Willow" in the Dragonspeech)
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Taarkoth
> >Is this perhaps time for alt.lifestyle.dragons ?
Oh, that's simple enough to find out. We'll just consult the mighty
Magic 8 Ball!
Oh mighty Magic 8 ball, should we creat alt.lifestyles.dragons, and if
so, which group should Eredien join?
*after shaking the 8 ball thoroughly, Taarkoth looks at the answer*
"Drink Coke. Play Again."
Well, there you have! The Magic 8 Ball has spoken! :)
Karrolanth
> > However uk.rec.sheds is quite a happy newsgroup. Pointless,
> > but happy!
> I'll be sure to check uk.rec.sheds out!
> Though, do I have to be a shed to post?
*grin* For those that are fond of breakfast, try the following:
alt.2eggs.sausage.beans.tomatoes.2toast.largetea.cheerslove
Yes, it really does exist - I _had_ to go and look for it after
it was mentioned on one of my ISPs own newsgroups! It appears,
from a cursory inspection, to be full of people discussing what
they had for breakfast... :-)
I don't believe that one has to be a breakfast food in order to
post... ;)
Karrolanth, who prefers cereal...
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"If you want something done properly - forget it." ;)
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Wyrm
Bloo...@sudbury.incoltd.com enscribed the following:
>In article <3607134f...@netnews.worldnet.att.net>,
>> You have just accused WalksFar of "murder" during a personal moment.
>> This must be some rare and obsure usage of the word "respect" that I
>> have not previously been aware of.
>Indeed, Wyrm you need a new deffinition for respect.
I would again request that you re-read the post and point out where I
specifically accused WalksFar of murdering dragons. One must take
everything in context.
>>Common sense should dictate what to treat as real.
>I agree. One does not go around making up false feelings, at least I know I
>don't.
Or are you just trying to defend your own actions?
Polenth
Taarkoth wrote:
>Oh mighty Magic 8 ball, should we creat alt.lifestyles.dragons, and if
>so, which group should Eredien join?
>
>*after shaking the 8 ball thoroughly, Taarkoth looks at the answer*
>"Drink Coke. Play Again."
>
>Well, there you have! The Magic 8 Ball has spoken! :)
Doesn't 'Play again' mean you have to shake the Magic 8 ball again? :)
Polenth
Karrolanth wrote:
>I don't believe that one has to be a breakfast food in order to
>post... ;)
>
In fact, it's probably dangerous to be a breakfast food, if all the members
like eating breakfast. :)
Eredien2
Taarkoth wrote:
>Well, there you have! The Magic 8 Ball has >spoken! :)
Shake it again. Maybe it'll say, "Obey your thirst, Drink Sprite!"
:-)
(Thanks for cheering me up, Taarkorth, I needed it! :-))
Karrolanth
> >I don't believe that one has to be a breakfast food in order to
> >post... ;)
> In fact, it's probably dangerous to be a breakfast food, if all the members
> like eating breakfast. :)
*chuckle* Very true! It might not be a good idea for thee to
turn up there as a mushroom, Polenth! ;)
Karrolanth
Gorbash
kar...@spamyenot.dunnjinn.prestel.co.uk (Karrolanth) wrote:
>Quoth the Raven: "Wossname!" Quoth Polenth:
>
>> >I don't believe that one has to be a breakfast food in order to
>> >post... ;)
>> In fact, it's probably dangerous to be a breakfast food, if all the members
>> like eating breakfast. :)
>
>*chuckle* Very true! It might not be a good idea for thee to
>turn up there as a mushroom, Polenth! ;)
>
>Karrolanth
in the distance hidden behind a tree Gorbash tried to muffle a
snicker,,
Gorbash
Karrolanth
> >> In fact, it's probably dangerous to be a breakfast food, if all the members
> >> like eating breakfast. :)
> >*chuckle* Very true! It might not be a good idea for thee to
> >turn up there as a mushroom, Polenth! ;)
> in the distance hidden behind a tree Gorbash tried to muffle a
> snicker,,
What was that? *puzzledlook* Didst thou hear something,
Polenth? :-)
Taarkoth
> Doesn't 'Play again' mean you have to shake the Magic 8 ball again? :)
Ah. Um. Uhhhhh... INFIDEL! Do not question the Magic 8-ball! :)
Taarkoth
> :-)
Kay-O.
*Taar shakjes the magic 8-ball again, then looks at then answer*
"You have won a free 20oz Coke"
*said coke pops into existence*
> (Thanks for cheering me up, Taarkorth, I needed it! :-))
*gasps* Taarkorth is HERE!?! When did my Evil Twin(tm) show up?! I've
got score to settle with that no-good, me-impersonating, rat bas$&^d! ;)
dragonfly
>out from behind the tree, and gets her mana cloud to sit on his tail, so that
>he can't escape* And what's wrong with being a mushroom? or are you laughing at
>the idea that I might be mistaken for a mushroom and devoured? :)
*sniggers at Gorbash*
>Anyway, you're at my mercy now! Well, at the mercy of my sparklies anyway! :)
*eep* *hides*
>Polenth - who hasn't sparklied anyone in ages, and is suffering withdrawal. :)
help!!
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And water'd heaven with their tears,
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
William Blake
Polenth
Taarkoth wrote:
>Polenth wrote:
>> Doesn't 'Play again' mean you have to shake the Magic 8 ball again? :)
>
>Ah. Um. Uhhhhh... INFIDEL! Do not question the Magic 8-ball! :)
I'm not questioning it! I'm merely pointed out it told you to shake it again!
Eredien2
*Taar* writes:
>> Shake it again. Maybe it'll say, "Obey your thirst, Drink Sprite!"
>> :-)
>Kay-O.
>*Taar shakjes the magic 8-ball again, then >looks at then answer*
>"You have won a free 20oz Coke"
>*said coke pops into existence*
Aww, they didn't give us a coupon for next time.
>> (Thanks for cheering me up, Taarkorth, I needed it! :-))
>*gasps* Taarkorth is HERE!?! When did my >Evil Twin(tm) show up?!
<snip>
ROTFL!
<B- rated SF movie>
"Yes! It is I, Taarkorth, the evil typo twin!"
*evil canned laughter*
"Cowor beefour mi, ignoreaunt massays!"
<end bad MST3K-worthy-shot>
<grin>
Gorbash
kar...@spamyenot.dunnjinn.prestel.co.uk (Karrolanth) wrote:
>Quoth the Raven: "Wossname!" Quoth Gorbash:
>
>> >> In fact, it's probably dangerous to be a breakfast food, if all the members
>> >> like eating breakfast. :)
>> >*chuckle* Very true! It might not be a good idea for thee to
>> >turn up there as a mushroom, Polenth! ;)
>> in the distance hidden behind a tree Gorbash tried to muffle a
>> snicker,,
>
>What was that? *puzzledlook* Didst thou hear something,
>Polenth? :-)
>
>Karrolanth
Gorbash waves a talon and mushrooms start growing out of polenth
ihn a miriadh of colors and scents.
Gorby vanishes
in the wind is heard POLENTHhhhh. "be ONE with the mushroom"
agf
Polenth <pol...@aol.comMUSHROOM> wrote in article
<19981002205542...@ngol01.aol.com>...
>
> Gorbash wrote:
>
> >>*chuckle* Very true! It might not be a good idea for thee to
> >>turn up there as a mushroom, Polenth! ;)
> >
> >in the distance hidden behind a tree Gorbash tried to muffle a
> >snicker,,
uh-oh! bad move!
>
> *Polenth's sensitive ears pick up the snigger, and she goes and drags
Gorbash
> out from behind the tree, and gets her mana cloud to sit on his tail, so
that
> he can't escape* And what's wrong with being a mushroom? or are you
laughing at
> the idea that I might be mistaken for a mushroom and devoured? :)
>
> Anyway, you're at my mercy now! Well, at the mercy of my sparklies
anyway! :)
Oh no, not the sparklies!!!!
Sigrdir watches from a safe distance and chuckles...
Sigridir
--
There is a theory that an infinite number of monkeys, given an infinite
amount of time and an infinite number of keyboards, would eventually
recreate the works of Shakespeare. The Internet is proof that this theory
is wrong.
Karrolanth
<snip>
> >> >*chuckle* Very true! It might not be a good idea for thee to
> >> >turn up there as a mushroom, Polenth! ;)
> >> in the distance hidden behind a tree Gorbash tried to muffle a
> >> snicker,,
> >What was that? *puzzledlook* Didst thou hear something,
> >Polenth? :-)
> Gorbash waves a talon and mushrooms start growing out of polenth
> ihn a miriadh of colors and scents.
Aaaaahhh!! Polenth!! What's happening???! ;) I think thou'rt
going mouldy!! ;)
> Gorby vanishes
> in the wind is heard POLENTHhhhh. "be ONE with the mushroom"
*chuckle* Trust the mushroom... The mushroom is thy friend...
Karrolanth
--
"I was high above the trees. Everything was more vivid than I
thought was ever possible. I saw things from all sides. Then I
realised I wasn't perceiving things through my human eyes."
-sleeve notes from Steve Vai's 'Passion and Warfare'.
Karrolanth
<snip>
> Anyway, you're at my mercy now! Well, at the mercy of my sparklies
> anyway! :)
*chuckle* Go get 'im, Polenth! *grins evilly at Gorbash* ;)
> Polenth - who hasn't sparklied anyone in ages, and is suffering
> withdrawal. :)
<Karrie is careful to point out that she's already covered in
sparklies from the 'Panto Season' thread, and therefore doesn't
need any more... ;) >
Karrolanth, talons crossed... :-)
Midnight Blew
>
> > Gorby vanishes
> > in the wind is heard POLENTHhhhh. "be ONE with the mushroom"
>
> *chuckle* Trust the mushroom... The mushroom is thy friend...
The mushroom is Mother... The mushroom is Father... <grin>
Midnight - A Bablyon5 fan - beware of the PsiCorp :)
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