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jim.barrett

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Dec 12, 2000, 11:23:36 AM12/12/00
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I was reading some info. on the DL gods on a DL MUD website and realized a
possible reason for why Fizban likes the fireball spell so much. This is
why:-

Fizban is Paladine, Paladine is represented by a constellation of a
platinum dragon and dragons breathe fire. That's why Fizban likes the
fireball spell so much.

Cheers, SkumkillA

P.S. Has anyone got any DL jokes, just interested.

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David Caveney

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Dec 12, 2000, 12:50:52 PM12/12/00
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I think you're reading a bit much into it:) Fireball is... probably the
most well known and best loved spell in D&D. I think some amount of
pyromania is in most of us and there is just something VERY appealing
about roasting one's enemies with a ball of fire. This is combined with
the fact that it is the first good offensive spell ya can get (along
with lightening bolt) in D&D. Fizban I think appreciates it for those
reasons and it just fits his personality... one of the things I like
most about Dragonlance is that one of the gods of paladins takes the
form of a wild mage:) Still, as for the exact reasons, ya'd have to ask
his creator, but I think it's something around there.

Sir Matt Potter

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Dec 12, 2000, 3:04:28 PM12/12/00
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David Caveney intoned:

>I think you're reading a bit much into it:) Fireball is... probably the
>most well known and best loved spell in D&D. I think some amount of
>pyromania is in most of us and there is just something VERY appealing
>about roasting one's enemies with a ball of fire. This is combined with
>the fact that it is the first good offensive spell ya can get (along
>with lightening bolt) in D&D.

Here's an interesting question. If memory serves, Fizban and Raistlin have a
brief conversation about Fireball in one of the Chronicles novels (DoAT I
think); Fizzie suggests that our red-robed chum casts Fireball and Raistlin
replies that he does not have the expertise. Surely this is wrong?
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David Caveney

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Dec 12, 2000, 3:45:05 PM12/12/00
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Not really. At the start of Chronicles, Raistlin is either 3rd or 4th
level and can only cast 2nd level spells. To cast 3rd level spells, of
which fireball is one, you need to be 5th level. Raistlin excellerated
in power very quickly due to fisti, but at the time of Dragons of Auturm
Twilight, no, he wasnt able to. At this period of writing, too, W+H went
pretty strictly by D&D rules.

Mike & Lee-Anne Cross

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Dec 12, 2000, 3:46:13 PM12/12/00
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Yeah, i just re-read that book (DoAT) and that's almost the exact wording. If Raistlin gained so much experience and power at his test, maybe he just
hasn't learned the spell..he hadn't casted it at this point in his career had he?
Mike

Frank and Elly

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Dec 12, 2000, 3:55:27 PM12/12/00
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David Caveney wrote

>Not really. At the start of Chronicles, Raistlin is either 3rd or 4th
>level and can only cast 2nd level spells. To cast 3rd level spells, of
>which fireball is one, you need to be 5th level. Raistlin excellerated
>in power very quickly due to fisti, but at the time of Dragons of Auturm
>Twilight, no, he wasnt able to. At this period of writing, too, W+H went
>pretty strictly by D&D rules.

A simpler explanation applies here. Raistlin just didn't know the spell yet
(not everything, even in Dragons of Autumn Twilight, is watered down to game
mechanics). After all, he learned it from Fizban, according to his
statements in War of the Twins.


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Frank and Elly

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Dec 12, 2000, 3:57:40 PM12/12/00
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jim.barrett wrote

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> Fizban is Paladine, Paladine is represented by a constellation of a
>platinum dragon and dragons breathe fire. That's why Fizban likes the
>fireball spell so much.

Personally, I think it was a comic nod to a spell that has resulted in a
significant number of funny D&D stories over the years. The underestimation
of the effects and scope of the Fireball spell is a very common theme in
many D&D stories (how many times have you heard about the time the mage cast
a fireball in a 10' by 10' dungeon room, after all).

forever darkness

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Dec 13, 2000, 2:01:11 PM12/13/00
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"jim.barrett" <u...@there.com> wrote:

>I was reading some info. on the DL gods on a DL MUD website and realized a
>possible reason for why Fizban likes the fireball spell so much. This is
>why:-

not quite.

the fireball spell is a mass destruction spell and it's usually
screwed up. people don't realize the radius of it and how much damage
it does when let loose in close proximity.

so fizban had a habit of dropping it to create comic relief. it was
somewhat hilarious to hear about the party that almost died as a
result of it's own party members ineptitude.

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Mr. "S"

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Dec 13, 2000, 6:57:21 PM12/13/00
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As long as your not one of those people that says BiA and the Soulforge dont
exist theres a part in BiA where he casts a fireball at a wooden post as
part of his training with Horkin. So he had to have learned it somewhere
between those two books (which take place before chronicles)


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David Caveney

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Dec 13, 2000, 7:02:41 PM12/13/00
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Chronicles was written as an AD&D novel... and his spells conform
strictly to it. BiA wasnt written with as much attention to such things.

Sunthelazar

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Dec 14, 2000, 10:44:17 PM12/14/00
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I would say that he didn't actually cast a fireball at the post. The effect
of his spell seemed a little weak for a fireball.
All that it said was he was casting a "fire" spell. [I don't remember
exactly what it said]
My assumption was that he was actually casting Magic Missle, as that is a
first-level spell and more befitting of what Raistlin could actually cast.
Sunthelazar

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Doris Steg

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Dec 15, 2000, 11:55:58 AM12/15/00
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David Caveney wrote:
>
> Chronicles was written as an AD&D novel... and his spells conform
> strictly to it. BiA wasnt written with as much attention to such things.
>
> "Mr. \"S\"" wrote:
> >
> > As long as your not one of those people that says BiA and the Soulforge dont
> > exist theres a part in BiA where he casts a fireball at a wooden post as
> > part of his training with Horkin. So he had to have learned it somewhere
> > between those two books (which take place before chronicles)
>
that was no fireball. yes, it was a ball of fire, but it didn't explode
to a 20' radius

Doris Steg

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Dec 15, 2000, 11:56:44 AM12/15/00
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could be, but i thought magic missile actually formed spectral arrows.
could be a cantrip...
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