Dragonlance Movie
WiCkdUSL
2 cents.... I think the only way they should do a movie, is if they are gonna
do it all the way and put some major money into it... big stars... big
effects...and 3 movies at least... Make it like the starwars epic.... and i
truly believe it could be the next star wars... i think they should look into
getting with Dreamworks or one of the other major special effects studios....
they should get big stars like for instance shawn connery as elistan, Dennis
Quad as Sturm Brightblade, and definately some big mean fucker as Verminaard
(my minds a blank on that one)... you gotta have the cool badguy to sell
tickets... any other suggestions for actors????
Zenun Nifares
ArchMage of the Realm of Lodus
Retleranthalon
Whilst I appreciate your zeal for a Dragonlance movie don't hold your
breath for a big budget big name blockbuster. Entry level Hollywood
movies with an A-list actor or two start at US$100 Million.
Add a little extra for respectable special effects (which would be quite
necessary). Somehow I can't see WoTC being able to convince a
big studio to put up the mega bucks necessary.
If it's going to happen my opinion is that it will not contain big
name actors. I'd rather them pay an unknown half a million
and spend the twenty plus million saved from an A-list into the
overall production value of the film. Either that or a good quality
animation (NOT Manga styled).
Anyway for an update of what's going on in the DL movie front
check out the Autumn Twilight edition of Legends of the Lance.
(Tip: Read the interview with Harold Johnson.)
Retleranthalon
rangerATquicknet.com.au
Shonna Delene
and George were low named actors before the movie and now they are stars
, what they need is someone who can fit into the role and not make our
fave characters fit the actor !
PlayBumSp1
and little on effects. If you get one or two stars in there fine, but you
can't overload. Even those two will add TREMENDOUS cost to the movie's budget.
No, you can't add stars to a movie that, to be honestdoesn't have nearly as
much appeal as does star wars. You need to put money into its quality so that
it can BECOME a Star-Warsesque seller. ESPECIALLY since-lets be honest-more
people like sci-fi then fantasy. The last fantasy that was put out, to my
knowledge was Kull the Conquerer and Dragon Heart. Kull sank to the bottom
quickly, and even with ITS special effects AND the back-up of Sean Connery, it
didn't do too well. I know what I'm talking about because I'm in the business
of it, as are my father, friends, etc.
PlayBumSp1
Tannous Elias
stopping freedom of speech!
Who gave you the right to do that?
Tolstrup wrote in message <366D9F...@c032.aone.net.au>...
>You IDIOT. You are correct, it has been done to death and the topic IS
>NOT welcome around here. Seeing as you clearly have no idea of what
>you're talking about, here are a few pointers. Star Wars was a
>forerunner of all those hideous, Americanocentric, lowest common
>denominator Bruckheimer-type films, and used special effects that left
>anything else of the time for dead. Therefore the audience was huge.
>On the other hand Dragonlance is _not_ lowest common denominator.
>Instead of readily identifiable 'yanks' and 'commies' in a setting
>that's an obvious allegory of the Heroic Struggle Against Communism,
>Dragonlance consists of an onslaught of unfamiliar concepts, in the
>first couple of scenes. Okay, in fifty words or less explain
>half-elves, hill dwarves, kender, red-robe mages, Solamnic knights,
>goblins, plainsmen, draconians, hobgoblins..... no hope.
>The idea of doing three movies is truly stupid. As I said, there's not
>enough public support for one movie.
>And for the millionth FUCKING time, keep stars the HELL out of it! Has
>it ever occurred to you that there are maybe two big-name actors out
>there who cinema audiences think of by the name of the character they're
>playing?
>If you don't believe me, try reading Clear and Present Danger. The book
>is basically Rambo II, with added intellectual elements. Then see the
>film. If they're incapable of turning such an easily-accessible book
>into a faithful film, do you honestly think any Hollywood producer would
>be capable of making a _series_ of Dragonlance movies?
>I think the whole idea should be scuttled, now and forever. The only
>practical way of turning a six=part series (you can't stop at Book 3)
>into a screenplay is in mini-series format, which doesn't seem
>especially popular these days, and would pose an obvious timeslot
>problem as it would clearly have to be animated. The day Hollywood gets
>its filthy mitts on DL is the day I start World War Three specifically
>to wipe out the film industry
>
>Rohan Tolstrup
Tolstrup
Larris
>I know this subject is beat to death on this NG, but i just wanted to put in my
>2 cents....
That's not very considerate of you.
<snip>
>any other suggestions for actors????
Too many.
Go to Bill Craig's Dragonlance Movie FAQ at
www.cinemagine-ltd.com/dlmovie if you want to discuss more, please. I
believe there's a message board over there.
--
Larris "And there she fell, deep in the night,
Ooh, one breath away from Heaven's light."
"And she said: Don't cry for me, because I'll be
Riding the wind forever free." --B.Lawless
Tolstrup
>
> By telling someone that their opinion is not welcome here is basically
> stopping freedom of speech!
>
> Who gave you the right to do that?
>
he knew the exact reaction his ultranaive, absolutely unoriginal and
downright sheeplike question would provoke, and was aware both that the
topic is taboo and the specific reasons why. What if you went onto a
Jewish philosophy forum and posted something with the header "Heil
Hitler!!!!!!" This forum has rules and they exist for multiple
extremely fucking good reasons.
Rohan Tolstrup
kish
>I know this subject is beat to death on this NG, but i just wanted to put in my
>2 cents.... I think the only way they should do a movie, is if they are gonna
>do it all the way and put some major money into it... big stars... big
>effects...and 3 movies at least... Make it like the starwars epic.... and i
>truly believe it could be the next star wars... i think they should look into
>getting with Dreamworks or one of the other major special effects studios....
>they should get big stars like for instance shawn connery as elistan, Dennis
>Quad as Sturm Brightblade, and definately some big mean fucker as Verminaard
>(my minds a blank on that one)... you gotta have the cool badguy to sell
>tickets... any other suggestions for actors????
>Zenun Nifares
>
>ArchMage of the Realm of Lodus
I'm glad that you would be so excited at the prospect of a good DL
movie (as I would be), but feasibility of such a task is
near-impossible without completely diluting the depth and epic quality
of Krynn.
Any true DL movie would have to be animated because the setting would
involve continuous special effects and therefore to costly. Setting
up the Darken Wood scene, for example, would cost a fortune if
cheesiness is to be avoided.
Popular or well-known actors are generally type-cast (do you really
want to see Ahnuld as Caramon?) or would threaten to overshadow the
character they are playing. The actors would generally have to be
little known Shakespeare types in order to properly portray the
character.
I see the project more associated as a direct-to-video movie than a
market-hyped Disney-like feature film.
If the storyline remains faithful and the animation quality superb, I
don't see how DL fans could be disappointed.
Tannous Elias
able to do so. Anyone not interested can just ignore it. Also, I believe
there are politer ways of replying to someone!
Tolstrup wrote in message <366DE8...@c032.aone.net.au>...
Jason Haggenjos
Shonna Delene wrote in message <366D880F...@hotmail.com>...
>I agree about the no name actors , look at Batman and Robin , both Chris
>and George were low named actors before the movie and now they are stars
they were hardly that....
Jason Haggenjos
WiCkdUSL wrote in message <19981208083857...@ng-cd1.aol.com>...
>Quad as Sturm Brightblade, and definately some big mean fucker as
Verminaard
>(my minds a blank on that one)... you gotta have the cool badguy to sell
hehe i like that line ...some big mean fucker.
KFarrell3
PlayBumSp1
DO THE JOB WELL!
PlayBumSp1
Tempus
'Inquest'), they suggested the t2000 guy from Terminator2, and ive seen
a web page with a Keanu Reeves' picutre with painting on it to make him
look like Raistlin. If i remember correctly they also suggested: Danny
DeVito for Flint, the red haired junky from 'Pulp Fiction' to play
Tanis, Sigourney Weaver (spelled right?) for Kitiara, and the rest i
cant remember...ill have to find the magazine in question...
Tolstrup
>
> Yes, but the point is that if someone has something to say, they should be
> able to do so. Anyone not interested can just ignore it. Also, I believe
> there are politer ways of replying to someone!
the only circumstances I would tolerate anything expressly forbidden by
the FAQ would be if the topic was given an original spin. If you have
read the FAQ (required reading along with the Holy Six to participate on
this newsgroup), then you know the topic is not welcome. He then
proceeded to post the same idiotic arguments that are the reason nobody
wants to hear about it. Had he actually come up with a decent argument,
instead of simply saying 'hey, what about six star-studded movies? It'd
be the next Star Wars' I might have been less quick to flame. But the
point is, he shot his mouth off with utter disregard for our
sensibilities. Do you realize how many times we've heard the same
utterly unoriginal shit? As for your ludicrous 'just ignore it'
argument, has it ever occurred to you that when this kind of shit gets
posted it makes the group slower to load as well as making it less
likely that worthwhile topics will appear on our viewers?
Rohan Tolstrup
Morten Brattbakk
Tolstrup <Tols...@c032.aone.net.au> skrev
> the only circumstances I would tolerate anything expressly forbidden by
> the FAQ would be if the topic was given an original spin.
The FAQ doesn't expressly forbid anything, just discourage. In fact, the
discouragement of posting DL movie threads here is mainly in the FAQ to
protet newbies from you, Rohan.
Morten
Tolstrup
muhahahahahaha. What I actually meant (as the gunman said to the cop)
was that the FAQ's pretty specific that the topic's not especially
popular around here, and should logically suggest that unless you've
actually got something new and worthwhile to say, you should just keep
your mouth shut.
Rohan Tolstrup
Dantalas of Ash Grove
You know guys, while we're on the subject of a DL movie, I read a short
snippet about the movie in SFX issue 43. I quote:
" * DUNGEONS AND DRAGONS
( Sweetpea Ent./Grand Designs Ent.)
ExPrd Joel Silver. Prd Courtney Solomon,
Kia Jam. The latest script draft by Christopher
Leahy involves a quest for the Dragon Orb which
can save the realm from the forces of evil. Wizards
Of The Coast, the new owners of TSR, may be
preparing to do battle themselves, and are said to
be trying to reclaim rights to the flick." end quote
hmmmm... I try to be optimistic, but reading that I can't help but think
we'll never see it because of all the legal BS (remember Conan 3?)
Phill
Shonna Delene wrote in message <366D880F...@hotmail.com>...
>I agree about the no name actors , look at Batman and Robin ,
I'd rather not! :P
--
Phill
www.warofsouls.freeserve.co.uk
Rice
You know something, you are as bad if not worse than Yakanoh. I mainly lurk on this NG, but I have posted on a couple of occasions. I thought you might like to know that you are not the knower of all when it comes to Dragonlance. You post to damned near every thread like you are the authority on all things DL. Id bet my damned house that i know at least as much as you, but you know what if I can help someone on here with a question, regardless of what the damned FAQ that some of you seem to hold in a higher respect than anything else says, then I'm going to do it. I don't get to check this NG very often mainly because I have many more important things to do, but you know that this a forum for people to discuss their views on things DL not a forum for them to follow the rules of the not so mighty Rohan Tolstrup.
If someone hasn't read the FAQ and asks one of the so-called "taboo" questions then Politely ask them to read it don't just go off on them and drive them away. They may just have some very original ideas that you haven't even began to imagine(yes it is possible) were possible.
Stop and think sometime that you are not the ultimate source for DL information and that this NG was not made as a forum your views and those that you think should be allowed. If you would like a NG like start alt.fan.Rohan'sAnAss.
Rice
I don't remember for sure who that was, but one of the DL people (eg authors,
designers etc.) posted a while back that that movie was not DL. Also, it was
not being made well because the guy who had the rights only had a short time
to finish the movie before the rights went back to TSR/WoTC. Of course it may
not have appeared here either, but I'm sure i read it somewhere.
Chris
Ben Craig
says...
Just who else besides you Rohan considers these topics "unpopular"? If
you can show that the majority of users of this group agree with you,
maybe you have a point. At the moment, you seem to be the only one who
cares, in which case, maybe you should just give it a rest.
Ben C.
--
Benjamin Craig
Cinemagine Limited.
Email. benc[at]cinemagine-ltd[dot]com
Tolstrup
<troll bullshit snipped>
despite my natural response of treating you like the rest of the trolls,
I suppose I might as well point out that the FAQ exists to make
everybody's life easier. The FAQ is regularly posted and I for one see
no reason to tolerate that kind of misbehaviour when the poster has
almost certainly had a chance to read the FAQ, which common courtesy
dictates you do so before posting. My tolerance was also shortened by
the fact that the poster said nothing that I hadn't seen approximately a
dozen times, and still just as grating and alternatingly naive and just
plain stupid
Rohan Tolstrup
Tolstrup
you've been around here long enough to know that just because one of the
regular group post on a topic doesn't mean that many of the others
aren't in agreement. It's kind of informally delegated - Morten takes
care of the FAQ, I explain things to newbies with varying degrees of
patience. If the topic's come up a dozen times and each time either
none of the regulars get involved or the majority of them tell the topic
originator to go to hell, then it's a fair bet that it's unpopular
Rohan Tolstrup
Larris
>Just who else besides you Rohan considers these topics "unpopular"?
FWIW, I for one agree w/ Rohan on this - the DL movie is as
out-debated as any topic gets, and those who are interested can go to
the Movie FAQ or look up old discussions on DejaNews. I don't really
wish to download 30 messages a day of casting suggestions, pros/cons
for animated movies, etc. Put bluntly, I'm not interested in what
other people think about it unless they're actually involved with the
creation of the movie. Which is to say that I'm not interested in
voicing my own opinions on it either - I've done so one time, I think,
and that'd be enough. No sense in repeating myself every two weeks.
That's _my_ opinion, anyway. ;)
Morten Brattbakk
Tolstrup <Tols...@c032.aone.net.au> skrev
> despite my natural response of treating you like the rest of the trolls,
> I suppose I might as well point out that the FAQ exists to make
> everybody's life easier.
However, in your casse, you are abusing the FAQ to make everybody's life
harder. If you just don't reply to movie threads, they will quickly die out
due to lack of interest, instead of turning into a flame war generated by
you.
Morten
PlayBumSp1
post. I did not mean to be cruel to anyone on the topic, but I believe that
after everyone voiced their opinion on it, someone who obviously didn't read
the responses made yet another comment for the stupid casting. I was angry that
they weren't paying any attention to what the facts were about the situation.
So I told them what I wa the truth (famous names cost a bundle and their
steryo-type often over-shadows the actual character.)
I didn't mean to be cruel, but the fact is, when someone doesn't pay any
attention to the actual topic and discussion therein it annoys me (as I'm sure
it does others.) Maybe you DO know just as much as I do, but I don't think you
saw all of the posts, and therefor don't know the reason behind my putting my
response. I know a lot about the movie-making business (not as much as an
actual director, but a lot) because it is in my family and I grew up with it.
But it was cruel of me to post without thinking of the feeling of the reciever.
Thanks for your critcism, and I repeat, I didn't mean to hurt anyone's
feelings. In the future, I'll try to keep hurtful things to myself and have
more patience with other.
My apologies,
PlayBumSp1
kinthalas
> Just who else besides you Rohan considers these topics "unpopular"? If
> you can show that the majority of users of this group agree with you,
> maybe you have a point. At the moment, you seem to be the only one who
> cares, in which case, maybe you should just give it a rest.
I'm with Rohan on this one. I've heard more than enough from the "I
think mr. such-and-such should play the character so-and-so" people.
--
kinthalas
<kint...@geocities.com>
afdl FAQ: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Corridor/2379/afdl.html
Tolstrup
so maybe I goofed. Needless to say I get a bit pissed off when somebody
not only mentions three of my personal pet hates in a single short post
(and one that's simply paraphrased from a dozen other posts I've seen),
and I'm one of those who tends to make grievances known. I believe that
the guidelines in the FAQ are a useful approach to what should not be
talked about, and that they should be reinforced at least by flaming
miscreants, who certainly should know better (if the FAQ is visible they
should have read it, sounds fair to me). Needless to say judgement
tends to get a bit warped by human factors and sheer bloodyminded rage
Rohan Tolstrup
Quivalen Sath
> think mr. such-and-such should play the character so-and-so" people.
>
Yeah...Gets rather irritasting after a while...but does a lurker's opinion
count? :-)
Lance
"If you keep your nose to the grindstone, you'll get a flat face."
Dantalas of Ash Grove
> care of the FAQ, I explain things to newbies with varying degrees of
> patience.
<G> Varying degrees of patience?...........
WiCkdUSL
newbie. But dont bitch at me about an FAQ. I didnt know there was one. You want
to keep newbies from posting unwanted messages, then you assholes should stop
complaining and every couple days post a message containing a page with the FAQ
or something.
Tolstrup
I believe the FAQ was posted to this newsgroup last week. Morten posts
it on roughly a monthly basis, and surely everybody but an absolute
newbie who knows nothing about usenet is aware that most newsgroups have
a FAQ?
Rohan Tolstrup
Larris
>I would like to apologize to all you DL gods. Suck my left nut. Yes i am a
>newbie. But dont bitch at me about an FAQ. I didnt know there was one.
But really, it is considered good netiquette to perform a little
research before posting to a NG. But if you didn't know that either,
well, it's probably not your fault.
>You want
>to keep newbies from posting unwanted messages, then you assholes should stop
>complaining and every couple days post a message containing a page with the FAQ
>or something.
You know, that's actually a very good suggestion. While the FAQ itself
starts to be a bit too large for being posted 15 times a month, I
don't see why we can't post the URLs to kinth's or Styx's (or Cass's
;) sites more often.
We could make the message automated, scripted to appear every three
days or something... (if your news server doesn't carry afdl posts
from further back than three days, you should probably change it).
kinthalas
>
> then you assholes should stop
> complaining and every couple days post a message containing a page with the FAQ
> or something.
Gee...I'm sorry, I've had things to do....
Christopher Papcin
I've been waiting for years for a Dragonlance movie but so far have
only heard of the idea in here. But in thinking about the characters
and who would play them made me realize that I'd rather see the movie
as an animated movie. Reguardless who stared in what roles, in a live
action film there would be too many "stars" for the sake of stars wven
though they don't fit the role. I cringe at the thought of an Arnold
Swartwhateverhisnameis starring as Cameron.
On 8 Dec 1998 13:38:57 GMT, wick...@aol.com (WiCkdUSL) wrote:
>I know this subject is beat to death on this NG, but i just wanted to put in my
>2 cents.... I think the only way they should do a movie, is if they are gonna
>do it all the way and put some major money into it... big stars... big
>effects...and 3 movies at least... Make it like the starwars epic.... and i
>truly believe it could be the next star wars... i think they should look into
>getting with Dreamworks or one of the other major special effects studios....
>they should get big stars like for instance shawn connery as elistan, Dennis
>Quad as Sturm Brightblade, and definately some big mean fucker as Verminaard
>(my minds a blank on that one)... you gotta have the cool badguy to sell
>tickets... any other suggestions for actors????
Quivalen Sath
> You want to keep newbies from posting unwanted messages, then you assholes should
> stop complaining and every couple days post a message containing a page with the
> FAQ
> or something.
Rather strange...There've been a couple of replies to this one, but yet no one
bothered to post a link to the FAQ or something...
Lance
The one on kinthalas' page:
<http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Corridor/2379/afdl.html>
Edward J. Pollard
> for people to discuss their views on things DL not a forum for them to follow
> the rules of the not so mighty Rohan Tolstrup.
Oh, you tell him! Yeah, that's it!
> and that this NG was not made as a forum your views and those that you think
> should be allowed. If you would like a NG like start alt.fan.Rohan'sAnAss.
Hey, play nice. You might poke an eye out.
And knock off the HTML. This is a newsgroup not a webpage.
--
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Replace domain name with uleth.ca to send me mail
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Phill
>Ben Craig wrote:
>
>> Just who else besides you Rohan considers these topics "unpopular"? If
>> you can show that the majority of users of this group agree with you,
>> maybe you have a point. At the moment, you seem to be the only one who
>> cares, in which case, maybe you should just give it a rest.
>
>think mr. such-and-such should play the character so-and-so" people.
Me too. Not many topics piss me off, but the movie thing does, TBH If I
didn't know Rohan was going to do a completely over the top flame everytime
(which I find highly amusing BTW) then I probably would myself.
--
Phill
www.warofsouls.freeserve.co.uk
Phill
>I don't remember for sure who that was, but one of the DL people (eg
authors,
>designers etc.) posted a while back that that movie was not DL. Also, it
was
>not being made well because the guy who had the rights only had a short
time
>to finish the movie before the rights went back to TSR/WoTC. Of course it
may
>not have appeared here either, but I'm sure i read it somewhere.
It was Mageret who posted that here, It can probably be checked out on Deja
News.
--
Phill
www.warofsouls.freeserve.co.uk
Tempus
If this topic pisses u off..... then why did u read the first one?
I mean..the topic clearly sez "Dragonlance movie". And you responded to
the 10th one on a link (so this means u prbly read all 10 of 'em...plus
maybe all the other posts that arent on this chain...).
Sorry if you're offended by this..but let me assure u that im not
flaming u....just asking a question...
But to all of those who flame newbies (we wont name names here :) for
asking this question...WHY IN THE NINE HELLS (er....Abyss for Krynn
residents...:) DO U READ THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE?????????? U dont HAVE
to read all the post in this newsgroup y'know... And as for this DAMN
FAQ....I know its sez that its been discussed already...but it says only
that....I for one like to know what ppl WHO ARE INTERESTED think on the
subject or any other subject related on DL.
I think that those ppl are egoitistical (word spelled right?) for they
knew what the topic was in the first place.
Just my humble "newbie" opinion on this...
Well flamers....any dragon's comments on this...? ;-P
Phill
>Just an honest question here....
>
>If this topic pisses u off..... then why did u read the first one?
>
>I mean..the topic clearly sez "Dragonlance movie". And you responded to
>the 10th one on a link (so this means u prbly read all 10 of 'em...plus
>maybe all the other posts that arent on this chain...).
>
>Sorry if you're offended by this..but let me assure u that im not
>flaming u....just asking a question...
>
It takes a lot more than this to offend me.
Anyway. There are a few answers to your question. First I may be a sucker
for punishment, but just because the header says 'DL Movie' It kinda hope it
doesn't mean another newbie asking who everyone thinks shuld play Raist, Tas
etc..which will eventually degenerate into a 'I think it would be better as
an anime' to 'No it would have to be Japanese anime not Disney' to 'no
Japanese anime sucks' to 'Why not get Elemore to do the drawings' to 'shut
the Fuck up I've heard it all before' (wooahh, sorry got a bit carried away)
But instead I hope it may be some imortant new enlighteneing information
about a DL movie which I and I'm sure every other regular on thi NG would
appreciate.
My other answer is that the original post may piss me off but I think the
innevitable flames from Rohan are hilarious :P
Tempus
....yeah.....when i think of it.....they are.... ;-P
> --
> Phill
> http://www.warofsouls.freeserve.co.uk
Good points here.....and id like to apologies for getting caried away...
No hard feelings?
Ben Craig
The DL Movie FAQ also deals with this issue. Checn it out at
http://www.cinemagine-ltd.com/dlmovie/
Phill
>Good points here.....and id like to apologies for getting caried away...
>No hard feelings?
None at all.
Aren't we a happy bunch :)
--
Phill
http://www.warofsouls.freeserve.co.uk
Tempus
>
> Tempus wrote in message <3676F458...@chaoswar.god>...
>
> >Good points here.....and id like to apologies for getting caried away...
> >No hard feelings?
>
> None at all.
>
> Aren't we a happy bunch :)
tHAT DEPENDS ON WHICH THREAD YOU'RE ON... ;-p
> --
> Phill
> http://www.warofsouls.freeserve.co.uk