Dragon April Issue- Raistlin vs Elminster!!
DnDFan@Home
in it done by the 'Nodwick' artist with Raistlin vs Elminster, in the
style of the WWF. Its hilarious, and answers that question that we
have had for quite a while :-)
jeremy...@mail.va.gov
1) Who is Elminster?
2) Where might I find this magazine on-line?
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Richard Connery
>
> 1) Who is Elminster?
Good-aligned wizard that lives (for the most part) in Faerun, a continent in
the Forgotten Realms campaign setting.
> 2) Where might I find this magazine on-line?
Dragon is "hard" printed but you can find previews, etc. at
www.wizards.com/dragon/
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>> If you don't mind, I have two questions regarding your statement below:
>>
>> 1) Who is Elminster?
>
>Good-aligned wizard that lives (for the most part) in Faerun, a continent in
>the Forgotten Realms campaign setting.
>
Could anyone add anything? I've always been fascinated by this portion of the
Forgotten Realms (I've never dwelved any deeper into it than Curse of the Azure
Blades, and the Baldur's Gate games - bless those Gold Box oldies though). I've
looked for stuff online about Elminster and especially the Harpers but never
found anything.
- Khameleon
- ODD IS RIGHT Pass the potatoes
Tolwyn
subsequent books.
best place. or in Dragon with 'Adventure with Volo' or the Volo's Guides.
And the Avatar Trilogy sheds some light on the Old Sage.
-Tolwyn, Dragonlance Loremaster
forever darkness
>>> 1) Who is Elminster?
>>
>>Good-aligned wizard that lives (for the most part) in Faerun, a continent in
>>the Forgotten Realms campaign setting.
>
>Could anyone add anything? I've always been fascinated by this portion of the
>Forgotten Realms (I've never dwelved any deeper into it than Curse of the Azure
>Blades, and the Baldur's Gate games - bless those Gold Box oldies though). I've
>looked for stuff online about Elminster and especially the Harpers but never
>found anything.
elminster is a human mage / cleric / thief / psionicist / demi-god,
beloved of mystra (goddess of magic), wise sage, about 500 years old,
etc etc. he farts roses and is ed greenwoods favourite pet.
the reason people ask about raistlin vs elminster is because they're
both the uber-powered mage of their respective worlds. but the realms
is *far* higher powered than krynn, so essentially, the comparison is
moot. i believe elminster is supposed to be around level 40, while
raistlin made it to level 19 or something. level 40 is not bad for
the realms, while 19 is supposed to be maxed out for krynn.
there's several full length books out about his life, but if you don't
want to invest in a book just about him, check out a few of the short
story anthologies "realms of *". there's several elminster stories in
there.
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Ryan
Dragonlance would be hopelessly outclassed since FR is outrageously
overpowered. Hell gods kill gods in FR. You would NEVER see that on Krynn
(thank god). Now what i would like to see is Par-Salian vs. Raistlin. After
all we never did see the full extint of his power and i for one would love
to see what he [par-salian] is capable of.
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Jellybean Pouchsnipper
> >Good-aligned wizard that lives (for the most part) in Faerun, a continent in
> >the Forgotten Realms campaign setting.
>
> Could anyone add anything? I've always been fascinated by this portion of the
> Forgotten Realms (I've never dwelved any deeper into it than Curse of the Azure
> Blades, and the Baldur's Gate games - bless those Gold Box oldies though). I've
> looked for stuff online about Elminster and especially the Harpers but never
> found anything.
Elminster is basically the ego trip of Forgotten Realm's creator, Ed Greenwood. In
a novel alone, this mage kills 4 dragons while taking a piss, makes love to a
beautiful elven woman all the while toasting a lich or two. Then, after breakfast,
he encounters differents archnemesis (who are at least 10 levels behind him), deals
with them all the while placing a joke or two, then travels to other planes for
lunch time, then goes on spying without any difficulty all the greatest evil mages
and organisation in FR like he was taking a stroll in the park and so forth. I got
tired of reading his crap after 2 novels.
Jellybean Pouchsnipper
Zach Adams
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Akisawana
>
>1) Who is Elminster?
The Arch-Munchkin.
He is also theroetically possibly the One God. But he can't be, b/c you _can't_
put him in DL.
Akisawana
It's time to roll the dice
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Doris Steg
goody 2 shoes to do that)
Tolstrup
wrote:
>frankly, raist would win 'cause he'd cheat (elminster's too much of a
>goody 2 shoes to do that)
The problem is that it's apples and oranges. Every time somebody
comes up with 'who would win if Raistlin fought Elminster/Drizzt/Darth
Vader/insert here' I feel like either laughing a la Raist or puking.
They don't even explain how they're competing.
Yes, Elminster, 29th-level mage who's been around a thousand years or
so, is invested with part of Mystra's power, and was offered godhood
himself a couple of times, would probably overpower Raistlin in a
magical battle. Like, wow. Raistlin nearly became a god because of
lateral thinking, cunning, ambition and some big brass ones. If it
was a battle of *personalities...*
You just can't compare the two. FR is often stereotyped as being
overpowered. As it happens, it's just a bigger world which happens to
have a lot of movers and shakers. Gods have been killed, but only by
other gods. It all depends on the way it's played. I certainly
wouldn't say it's hideously overpowered with archmages on every
corner.
But it's beside the point. Krynn is smaller, there's never been a
golden age of magic ('Forgotten Realms' refers to Netheril, Myth
Drannor, and a whole load of other ancient ruined civilisations), and
wizards have spent most of their time fighting to survive.
Rohan Tolstrup
Altarielle
>Now what i would like to see is Par-Salian vs. Raistlin.
I think Par-Salian would end up being a nice piece of statuary in the Shoikan
Grove, based on what happened to his alternate self in Legends. :-)
Altarielle
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Raistlin/Tas against Elminster/Volo. That way, each team member
would not only fight against his opponents, but also against his
own teammate! And we could hear some VERY LETHAL
lines exchanged between these four. After all, they can be counted
among the best taunters in the world!
OK, just kidding...
(But HELL, that would be fun...!)
Anyway, Rohan Tolstrup wrote:
>there's never been a
> golden age of magic ('Forgotten Realms' refers to Netheril, Myth
> Drannor, and a whole load of other ancient ruined civilisations), and
> wizards have spent most of their time fighting to survive.
It's true that mages on Krynn spend much of their time fighting,
but there has been a golden Age of magic. That's when the Towers
of High Sorcery were built, then the Portals were constructed, things
that could change the world were found through magic. In my mind, that
was really a golden age for magic, although it was too brief.
But Rohan is right about DL and FR being "apples and oranges".
Elminster and Raistlin operate on an entirely different basis. So,
it would be fun to have them fight in a comic book, purely for
reasons of entertainment, but thinking seriously about a fight between
these two? NO WAY!
Elminster is something like a constant in his world.
Raistlin is more like a constant riddle...
Elminster is, well, basically, good (?)
Raistlin is, well, basically, not entirely evil (?)
Elminster was offered godhood.
Raistlin would have attained godhood alone.
So, these two are too different to be compared.
But I'll buy Dragon Magazine anyway!
Spyros
Akisawana
So you're calling them fruit?????(Sorry, couldn't resist ;-)
>Every time somebody
>comes up with 'who would win if Raistlin fought Elminster/Drizzt/Darth
>Vader/
What about Raistlin vs. Saruman?
>insert here' I feel like either laughing a la Raist or puking.
Uhh...I don't know what would be worse. Could you laugh n'est pas a la
Raistlin?
>They don't even explain how they're competing.
Raistlin vs. Elminster in freaking out random people!
>Yes, Elminster, 29th-level mage who's been around a thousand years or
>so, is invested with part of Mystra's power, and was offered godhood
>himself a couple of times, would probably overpower Raistlin in a
>magical battle. Like, wow.
And why would they even fight? What would be thier motive?
>Raistlin nearly became a god because of
>lateral thinking, cunning, ambition and some big brass ones. If it
>was a battle of *personalities...*
Then how noble of Elminster to fight unarmed.
>You just can't compare the two.
Sure you can. One has power w/out personality, one has personality but
comparitvly less power.
>FR is often stereotyped as being
>overpowered. As it happens, it's just a bigger world which happens to
>have a lot of movers and shakers.
And munchkins. Can't forget the munchkins.
>Gods have been killed, but only by
>other gods.
At least most people stay dead.
>t all depends on the way it's played. I certainly
>wouldn't say it's hideously overpowered with archmages on every
>corner.
Unless you have a really bad DM. And in its defense, it is a challanging place
for all levels.
>But it's beside the point. Krynn is smaller, there's never been a
>golden age of magic ('Forgotten Realms' refers to Netheril, Myth
>Drannor, and a whole load of other ancient ruined civilisations), and
>wizards have spent most of their time fighting to survive.
>
Pity the wizards. At least they have pride.
Akisawana
Sa souvraya niende misain ye.
I am lost inside my own mind!
Trek Shark
full agreement with you. Also, unlike some others, you got elminster's age
('bout 1200 as i recall) and power status correct. I aplaud you.
-David
Ryan
he wanted, he had near infinite knowledge od magic at that point. But as a
mortal he would be far more limited..THAT is what i want to see
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keius
There is only one reason for that....have u noticed how in FR that the
wizards, etc...are pretty much pencil and paper characters..pretty
much actually limited to what the D&D manuals say they can do...
Now take a look at say...umm..the Legends trilogy and what Raist was
capable of doing..specially in the "Abyss"(you know what i mean,
blitzing hordes of beholders and dragons and all that)
Now, based on Raistlin's actual stats...no way in hell he had the
power he had in the 3rd book.
My personal opinion = if we had Weis&Hickman writing the battle,
FR's archmunchie woulda been archtoastie:) hehe
Keius
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001 04:44:27 GMT, bun...@futureweb.com.au (Tolstrup)
wrote:
Pure Pessimism
But I think it's not going there, it's going for power and tricks, and aloth
Raist is definately cunning enough to trick Elmeister into killing himself. I'm
sure Elmister has a contingency spell for it. so.. Elmister would inevitably
win.
As much as we'd like to see him lose oer and over again only to come back when
raist is tired out from killing him somany times and fry him with a Lance of
Disruption.. ::sigh::
robin
very well put.