Can't we try to stop Viz censorship?
The Super Saiya-jin Jedi
or form, uncensored, official, translated manga Dragon Ball
and DBZ in North America. To do this however, we will need
the cooperation of Viz.
I'm not sure exactly how we're supposed to get the attention
of a large corporation, but perhaps we could hammer out
some kind of petition. Not like the one toward FUNimation
that has demands so high they will never be implemented,
but with more earthbound goals.
I think the primary objective would be to get a special,
Uncensored version clearly labeled as such, so there can
be no confusion. This would be along with the edited
version they have started to produce. If this is unacceptable,
perhaps we could at least convince them to release an
uncensored version of the Graphic Novel format. The
Dragon Ball volume 1 graphic novel has been delayed until
September, and I feel that it may be in order to edit it.
That brings me to my major point. How do I go about
organizing a petition? Is there a website out there who
could help me, or will someone help me create a rough
draft? Also, we need somewhere to send it to. Is there an
address online or by mail that such a petition that it could be
sent to? If not, does anyone know someone who works at
Viz, specifically on the manga of DB/DBZ?
Remember, we don't want to scold them, but applaud them
on their earlier efforts and express the true concerns of the
older fans of Dragon Ball, who are unoffended by nudity,
obcenities and sexual themes, who just want the best that
the manga has to offer. Our plea must be heard.
Of course, I need all of you guys behind me to help reach
this goal. A few thousand signatures, even on an online
petition, should help us get there.
My best regards,
J. Grybowski "the Super Saiya-jin Jedi"
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The Super Saiya-jin Jedi <ssj_jedi...@my-deja.com.invalid> wrote in
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> The title says it all. We must try to get, in some way, shape
> or form, uncensored, official, translated manga Dragon Ball
> and DBZ in North America. To do this however, we will need
> the cooperation of Viz.
>
> I'm not sure exactly how we're supposed to get the attention
> of a large corporation, but perhaps we could hammer out
> some kind of petition. Not like the one toward FUNimation
> that has demands so high they will never be implemented,
> but with more earthbound goals.
>
> I think the primary objective would be to get a special,
> Uncensored version clearly labeled as such, so there can
> be no confusion. This would be along with the edited
> version they have started to produce. If this is unacceptable,
> perhaps we could at least convince them to release an
> uncensored version of the Graphic Novel format. The
> Dragon Ball volume 1 graphic novel has been delayed until
> September, and I feel that it may be in order to edit it.
Nope. The first Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z graphic novels will be
un-edited because the issues they are compiled from were un-edited. Read the
fan letters section of this month's Dragon Ball (Part 3, #3) for more
information.
>
> That brings me to my major point. How do I go about
> organizing a petition? Is there a website out there who
> could help me, or will someone help me create a rough
> draft? Also, we need somewhere to send it to. Is there an
> address online or by mail that such a petition that it could be
> sent to? If not, does anyone know someone who works at
> Viz, specifically on the manga of DB/DBZ?
You can forget a petition for now. Dragon Ball/Z started out un-edited and
recently some parents started complaining when they saw what they had bought
their children without realizing it. DBZ will continue to be unedited for
violence and the like, and so will Dragon Ball, but the adult humor is what
is having to be trimmed out in Dragon Ball, and only the major stuff.
Compared to Dragon Ball, DBZ has very little adult humor and very little
nudity.
>
> Remember, we don't want to scold them, but applaud them
> on their earlier efforts and express the true concerns of the
> older fans of Dragon Ball, who are unoffended by nudity,
> obcenities and sexual themes, who just want the best that
> the manga has to offer. Our plea must be heard.
I've made my voice be heard allready. Time for everyone else to do likewise,
but not as a petition. That crap never works and it just pisses everyone
off.
>
> Of course, I need all of you guys behind me to help reach
> this goal. A few thousand signatures, even on an online
> petition, should help us get there.
Yeah, right. Haw many of those damned things actually do any good? Just
e-mail them at db-...@viz.com in person. It'll have a slightly more
signifigant impact.
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on this.
It would be a simple matter of what Greg Werner has done with FUNimation and I
see it as distinctly possible. A comic marked "UNCENSORED" would do the job.
Let's get this done, all you big shots out there.
By the way, and this is vital:
I WAS TOLD PERSONALLY BY MR. E THAT HE CANNOT ACCESS THIS NEWSGROUP!! WE HAVE
TO E-MAIL HIM.
Ben Pop
No. So take up fishing and buy a Reel Big Fish record to pass the time.
Scooter1551
>or form, uncensored, official, translated manga Dragon Ball
>and DBZ in North America.
Um..... I am not sure where you guys get your DB and DBZ manga but I am pretty
sure that the ones I have bought here in the good Old' US of A are unedited,
blood and swearing and all. I know that there are edited versions, but I am
always careful not to pick up those by mistake.
Scooter
The Super Saiya-jin Jedi
>Nope. The first Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z graphic
>novels will be un-edited because the issues they are
>compiled from were un-edited. Read the
>fan letters section of this month's Dragon Ball (Part 3, #3)
>for more information.
Well, that's a little of a relief. I really just don't want the
graphic novels to be edited, because that's usually what I
buy anyway. I also just got the Japanese volume 17, and
can only recognize about five words. My comics store only
has part 3, #2 of Dragon Ball right now, so do you subscribe
or something?
>You can forget a petition for now. Dragon Ball/Z started out
>un-edited and recently some parents started complaining
>when they saw what they had bought their children without
>realizing it. DBZ will continue to be unedited for violence
>and the like, and so will Dragon Ball, but the adult humor is
>what is having to be trimmed out in Dragon Ball, and only
>the major stuff. Compared to Dragon Ball, DBZ has very
>little adult humor and very little nudity.
Yeah, but I don't like the idea of having it censored at all.
It is
a parent's responsibility to make sure that they don't let
objectionable stuff into their kids' hands. They bought it, and
should have known what they were buying. Of course, I
think FUNimation shares the blame for making everyone
think that DBZ is kid-friendly. Besides, my major complaint
about the most recent issues is that they're toning down the
swearing, which was my complaint about the TV show too.
>I've made my voice be heard allready. Time for everyone
>else to do likewise, but not as a petition. That crap never
>works and it just pisses everyone off. Just e-mail them at
>db-...@viz.com in person. It'll have a slightly more
>signifigant impact.
So, then let's all write to db-...@viz.com and
dbz-...@viz.com and make all of our voices heard. If they
get enough complaints, maybe they will make an unedited
version again. After all, the first few issues of DBZ were
from people who were glad that it was unedited, and not
being aimed at the younger fans. These people could also
complain about the censorship, if they're still reading the
manga.
--End Transmission--
-The Super Saiya-jin Jedi
The Evil Mechanic From Hell in His Big Ass Ford
The Super Saiya-jin Jedi <ssj_jedi...@my-deja.com.invalid> wrote in
>
> >Nope. The first Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z graphic
> >novels will be un-edited because the issues they are
> >compiled from were un-edited. Read the
> >fan letters section of this month's Dragon Ball (Part 3, #3)
> >for more information.
>
>
> Well, that's a little of a relief. I really just don't want the
> graphic novels to be edited, because that's usually what I
> buy anyway. I also just got the Japanese volume 17, and
> can only recognize about five words. My comics store only
> has part 3, #2 of Dragon Ball right now, so do you subscribe
> or something?
Nope, but I get everything on the day it comes out. My local dealer gets his
stuff every Wednesday at noon and I'm there by 1:00pm. Got my current issue
days ago along with the newet edition of Inu-Yasha.
>
>
> >You can forget a petition for now. Dragon Ball/Z started out
> >un-edited and recently some parents started complaining
> >when they saw what they had bought their children without
> >realizing it. DBZ will continue to be unedited for violence
> >and the like, and so will Dragon Ball, but the adult humor is
> >what is having to be trimmed out in Dragon Ball, and only
> >the major stuff. Compared to Dragon Ball, DBZ has very
> >little adult humor and very little nudity.
>
> Yeah, but I don't like the idea of having it censored at all.
Neither do I, but DBZ will continue to be unedited.
> It is
> a parent's responsibility to make sure that they don't let
> objectionable stuff into their kids' hands. They bought it, and
> should have known what they were buying. Of course, I
> think FUNimation shares the blame for making everyone
> think that DBZ is kid-friendly.
Actually, it was.
Besides, my major complaint
> about the most recent issues is that they're toning down the
> swearing, which was my complaint about the TV show too.
They didn't swear all that much in the original either.
>
>
> >I've made my voice be heard allready. Time for everyone
> >else to do likewise, but not as a petition. That crap never
> >works and it just pisses everyone off. Just e-mail them at
> >db-...@viz.com in person. It'll have a slightly more
> >signifigant impact.
>
> So, then let's all write to db-...@viz.com and
> dbz-...@viz.com and make all of our voices heard. If they
> get enough complaints, maybe they will make an unedited
> version again. After all, the first few issues of DBZ were
> from people who were glad that it was unedited, and not
> being aimed at the younger fans. These people could also
> complain about the censorship, if they're still reading the
> manga.
Actually, I'm less than concerned about the editing of DBZ simply because it
ain't gonna happen. Dragon Ball is the one that's been targeted for 'genital
removal' and nothing else.
>
> --End Transmission--
>
> -The Super Saiya-jin Jedi
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> The Super Saiya-jin Jedi <ssj_jedi...@my-deja.com.invalid> wrote in
> message news:14118069...@usw-ex0103-023.remarq.com...
> >
> > >Nope. The first Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z graphic
> > >novels will be un-edited because the issues they are
> > >compiled from were un-edited. Read the
> > >fan letters section of this month's Dragon Ball (Part 3, #3)
> > >for more information.
> >
> >
> > Well, that's a little of a relief. I really just don't want the
> > graphic novels to be edited, because that's usually what I
> > buy anyway. I also just got the Japanese volume 17, and
> > can only recognize about five words. My comics store only
> > has part 3, #2 of Dragon Ball right now, so do you subscribe
> > or something?
>
> Nope, but I get everything on the day it comes out. My local dealer gets
his
> stuff every Wednesday at noon and I'm there by 1:00pm. Got my current
issue
> days ago along with the newet edition of Inu-Yasha.
I hate to reply to my own post, BUT.... My proof reading skills seem to be
diminishing. I got the issues TWO days ago and I am still trying to get used
to my new keyboard.
Sgeofwisdm
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down the tubes... You really outta drop by www.planetnamek.com and look at the
post about it...its really pretty hilarious what MrE says at the bottom. I
asked MrE if his name means mystery, and he said no, not even Skullmac and Kaio
know what it means, so don't ask him...
Torankusu-kaiou and the Amazing Technicolor Fecal Matter
VIZ releases two versions of the manga, just like FUNi releases two versions
of their dubbed tapes. Just be careful not to buy the edited version (hint:
SUBSCRIBE to the manga. Don't buy it at Target or Toys R Us.)
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The Super Saiya-jin Jedi
>Nope. The first Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z graphic
>novels will be un-edited because the issues they are
>compiled from were un-edited. Read the fan letters section
>of this month's Dragon Ball (Part 3, #3) for more
>information.
I just got it this afternoon, and actually it says that DB
graphic novel #1 _will_ be edited, DESPITE the fact that the
comics were originally released uncensored. Do they
already make a separate, uncensored version?
The Super Saiya-jin Jedi
>releases two versions of their dubbed tapes. Just be
>careful not to buy the edited version (hint: SUBSCRIBE to
>the manga. Don't buy it at Target or Toys R Us.)
Are you _absolutely_ sure? I get my copies at the local
comics shop, which insists it's the only version out there. Of
course, they still think the DB graphic novel #1 is on track for
this month.
If there is any pictorial proof in comparison or whatnot, I'd be
interested to see it. Do you have both copies of the issues,
if there really is a dual release? If you have proof, and are
not trying to mislead me (don't laugh; it's happened many
times before, and I'm still far too trusting. besides, this is
the
internet, after all.) then either describe your proof in this
thread or e-mail some pictorial evidence to
ssj_...@my-deja.com or any binaries newsgroup
associated with DB. I'm aware of none.
--The Super Saiya-jin Jedi
Torankusu-kaiou and the Amazing Technicolor Fecal Matter
"The Super Saiya-jin Jedi" <ssj_jedi...@my-deja.com.invalid> wrote in
> >VIZ releases two versions of the manga, just like FUNi
> >releases two versions of their dubbed tapes. Just be
> >careful not to buy the edited version (hint: SUBSCRIBE to
> >the manga. Don't buy it at Target or Toys R Us.)
>
> Are you _absolutely_ sure? I get my copies at the local
> comics shop, which insists it's the only version out there. Of
> course, they still think the DB graphic novel #1 is on track for
> this month.
I dropped my subscription when I discovered the scanned manga at
PlanetNamek, but prior to that, the copies I was receiving were NOT
censored. I'm not sure WHEN they started censoring, but I think it was
around a couple issues before my subscription ran out.
> If there is any pictorial proof in comparison or whatnot, I'd be
> interested to see it. Do you have both copies of the issues,
> if there really is a dual release? If you have proof, and are
> not trying to mislead me (don't laugh; it's happened many
> times before, and I'm still far too trusting. besides, this is
> the
> internet, after all.) then either describe your proof in this
> thread or e-mail some pictorial evidence to
> ssj_...@my-deja.com or any binaries newsgroup
> associated with DB. I'm aware of none.
Try looking for the proof yourself. I'm not VIZ's spokesperson, and they
have a website.
Ed Whitmore
First, Viz doesn't release two different versions of each comic. I work in a
comic shop and when making orders, there is only one version each of DB and
DBZ. If unedited versions exist, they certainly wouldn't be excluded from
Previews.
(btw, to anyone who read Viz's apology in DB Part 3 #3...did you notice how
they totally ignored the idea of making edited and unedited copies of each
issue?)
Secondly, Viz themselves said in their apology that "the Dragonball Vol. 1
graphic novel...is the 'edited' version".
I can deal with them editing out Goku's "privates" (nothing more than the
letter "u" drawn between his legs), as fucking stupid as that is. But when
Viz themselves said that they'd be editing out the dirty jokes as
wel....well, fuck that. Let the little kids buy the book, cause I won't be.
Christ almighty...sometimes I just think that children shouldn't be allowed
to have parents...
SEAN
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>
> VIZ releases two versions of the manga, just like FUNi releases two
versions
> of their dubbed tapes. Just be careful not to buy the edited version
(hint:
> SUBSCRIBE to the manga. Don't buy it at Target or Toys R Us.)
There is not two versions of the manga. They only print one a month and it's
edited now. The first story arc (Pilaf) will be unedited in graphic novel
format because it wasn't edited to start with. Go take a look at the fan
letters section in Dragon Ball part 3, #3. They go into a lenghty discussion
on it there.
The Evil Mechanic From Hell in His Big Ass Ford
The Super Saiya-jin Jedi <ssj_jedi...@my-deja.com.invalid> wrote in
>
> >Nope. The first Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z graphic
> >novels will be un-edited because the issues they are
> >compiled from were un-edited. Read the fan letters section
> >of this month's Dragon Ball (Part 3, #3) for more
> >information.
>
>
> I just got it this afternoon, and actually it says that DB
> graphic novel #1 _will_ be edited, DESPITE the fact that the
> comics were originally released uncensored. Do they
> already make a separate, uncensored version?
:::digs out part 3, #3:::... Hm, the actual line is..... "The Dragon Ball
vol. 1graphic novel , which comes out this month, is the 'edited' version,
although the unedited original comics of vol. 1 and vol. 2 are still
available."
Welp, color me stupid... I guess I misread that the first time I went
through it. My apologies.
The Evil Mechanic From Hell in His Big Ass Ford
Scooter1551 <scoot...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >First, Viz doesn't release two different versions of each comic. I work
in a
> >comic shop and when making orders, there is only one version each of DB
and
> >DBZ. If unedited versions exist, they certainly wouldn't be excluded from
> >Previews.
>
> >graphic novel...is the 'edited' version".
>
> magna....Is the magna being censored? I am begining to worry about this
> because I like to buy the magna instead of the graphic novels anyway
because of
> the art on the covers.
ARGH! People, PLEASE go buy that latest issue of Dragon Ball! They cover ALL
of this! PLEASE! The first graphic novel will NOT, repeat, NOT be eidted!
>
> Scooter
The Super Saiya-jin Jedi
>ARGH! People, PLEASE go buy that latest issue of Dragon
>Ball! They cover ALL of this! PLEASE! The first graphic
But you said that _I_ was right after you reread the letters
section, and besides, I know that it will be edited because it
says so. Do you have a split personality, or did these just
get mixed up in order?!
Really, we need to get organized if we want something to
happen. See my next post for more.
la mujer rubia
Scooter1551 <scoot...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >First, Viz doesn't release two different versions of each comic. I work
in a
> >comic shop and when making orders, there is only one version each of DB
and
> >DBZ. If unedited versions exist, they certainly wouldn't be excluded from
> >Previews.
>
> >Viz themselves said in their apology that "the Dragonball Vol. 1
> >graphic novel...is the 'edited' version".
>
> So if the graphic novel IS edited and there is only one version of the
> magna....Is the magna being censored? I am begining to worry about this
> because I like to buy the magna instead of the graphic novels anyway
because of
> the art on the covers.
My guess is the manga will be only offered in an edited version. Comics are
kids stuff, don't ya know that? I personally thinks that it sucks. The
censorship is why I no longer subscribe to the Dragonball manga.
IMO the best approach to this situation is to lobby Viz for a special
edition of the graphic novels. Viz already offers a Neon Genesis Evangelion
Special Collectors Edition which is formatted in the original right-to-left
format and contains the original Japanese FX. If there was enough interest,
they may be persuaded to produce an uncensored Special Collectors Dragon
Ball GN. Keeping the right-to-left format would be awesome and it would be
easy to distinguish the censored from the uncensored version.
Would a petition work? They generally don't but if the request was
reasonable, it just might. The Princess Mononke petition appears to had an
influence at Buena Vista and it appears that BV is looking into adding the
Japanese soundtrack to the Princess Mononoke DVD.
Viz has started censoring DB because it is the best for business. They
would be crazy to ignore the current popularity of FUNimation's DBZ and not
cash in on it. How I feel about the parent groups calling for the
censorship - that is a tirade that I will not go into here.
--
~la mujer rubia
The Super Saiya-jin Jedi
>I agree. I don't have a website, but super-powers Planet
>Namek need to get in on this.
At least you agree with me. The root of the matter is, it
pisses people like us off to see that the company is bowing
to the demands of people who don't want "objectionable"
material in the hands of little kids, who are the wrong
demographic for DB anyway. FUNimation really should try
to aim its advertising towards its most steady viewers, who
are already shifting to fansubs and the like.
One must have a reason to buy the product!
That brings me to my next point. In order to convince Viz that
their editing is only having a harmful effect on their business
with Dragon Ball/Z fans is to show that their business will
be seriously hurt if they continue to produce an edited-only
version and they would profit from making a separate,
uncensored version. I also agree with you on the fact that
something that has UNCENSORED in big, bold letters
would attract the true DB fans while discouraging those
right-minded parents afraid of Satan (the Devil, not the guy
with the 'fro) snatching little Billy down to Hell. This is a
most obvious point that was completely (purposefully?)
ignored on the "Monkey's Tales" letters page in DB 3 #3.
Since we have already established that the graphic novels
will be censored, and that they are not making an
uncensored version at all anymore, it becomes apparent
that this might be what we need to aim for, at least. The first
few graphic novels in each should be no problem to
produce uncensored, as they were uncensored to begin
with. Part 3 of both DB and DBZ are not complete yet and
could easily be de-edited and have the language made
more colorful. Viz would have the authority over this.
Lastly, some of you think that a petition would be unwise,
because it annoys people and that it would likely not get
anything done. You think that we should all write our own
messages to Viz, expressing our own, individual opinions
about how they should make Dragon Ball better. In my
opinion, nothing could be further from the truth. With so
many different ideas floating around there, Viz would not be
able to get any sort of progress out of all of these individual
messages. Write to them if you want, but I don't believe that
any good will come of it if we don't speak with a unified goal
and voice.
My main vote for petitions is: THEY GET RESULTS. They
may not be exactly what the writers had in mind, but
something comes of it. The petition to FUNimation that was
so sternly denounced and passed off, was at least read.
Chris Sabat assured people that much was being done to
improve quality, and Sean Schemmel was offended. But
they read it. I admit that some of their goals were ridiculous,
and would never have happened. The goals of this petition
would be just to make sure there was a separate, clearly
labelled, uncensored version of the Dragon Ball manga that
could not fall into the wrong hands by mistake.
That brings me to my plea: we need to write this petition,
and get it worded so it does not offend Viz, but encourage
them to do the right thing. We should get them to realize
that their business would be hurt, 'specially when people
can go to planetnamek.com to get the translated manga
absolutley free. They need a compelling reason to get us to
buy it. (I'm not sure it's a good idea to mention planetnamek
though, as there could be a major lawsuit coming if what
they do isn't exactly legal. They did do this long before Viz
got the rights, though, right?)
Secondly, I need some help because I'm not good at
legalese. A site that could help us with this and host the
petition would be very nice, indeed.
Next, we need the support of both DB's wide fan base and
from major organizations, such as planetnamek.com, to
back us. Only if we get a significant chunk of DB/DBZ
fandom behind us will this have a chance at succeeding.
Lastly, we need someone to get in touch with people directly
connected to the project involving Toriyama's work so it is
read by people vital to the Dragon Ball / Z manga and is not
brushed off by some underpaid reader-of-mail.
I feel that this is the only way to get the job done.
Now who's with me?? Do I hear a "Hell, Yeah"?
Hell, Yeah!
--The Super Saiya-jin Jedi
Torankusu-kaiou and the Amazing Technicolor Fecal Matter
Okay folks, I apologize and admit I was wrong and was giving Viz too much
credit. I haven't glanced at an issue of Viz's manga translation since my
volume 2 subscription ran out.
But you know, this does raise an interesting point...
Viz has been publishing Ranma 1/2 for years. Ranma 1/2 is FULL of nudity and
sexual humor. They don't censor that. They also don't market it toward kids.
So what went wrong?
Simple. They made Dragonball/DBZ TOO AVAILABLE.
If it had been kept to the limited availability of their other manga series,
this bullshit never would have happened.
*sigh*
It sucks. Doesn't look like there's a thing we can do about it, though.
la mujer rubia
>
> Okay folks, I apologize and admit I was wrong and was giving Viz too much
> credit. I haven't glanced at an issue of Viz's manga translation since my
> volume 2 subscription ran out.
>
> But you know, this does raise an interesting point...
>
> Viz has been publishing Ranma 1/2 for years. Ranma 1/2 is FULL of nudity
and
> sexual humor. They don't censor that. They also don't market it toward
kids.
>
> So what went wrong?
>
> Simple. They made Dragonball/DBZ TOO AVAILABLE.
>
> If it had been kept to the limited availability of their other manga
series,
> this bullshit never would have happened.
>
> *sigh*
>
> It sucks. Doesn't look like there's a thing we can do about it, though.
Well, I think that the censorship of Dragon Ball by Viz was inevitable once
they starting marketing it with Pokemon in their Vizkids section on their
web site. It may seem hopeless but if we do not let them know that there is
a demand for uncensored Dragon Ball it will NEVER happen. If you do
nothing, you deserve what you get. If it doesn't work, at least, you tried.
Viz censored DB because certain parents made themselves heard. We just have
to make ourselves heard too. And for godsakes, BE POLITE ABOUT IT!! So go
to their web site and e-mail them. http://viz.com/company/index.html
Or write a letter and mail it. ( I'm showing my age, aren't I?)
Oliver Chin
Director of Sales and Marketing
Viz Communications, Inc
655 Bryant
San Francisco, CA 94107
--
~la mujer rubia
Dane Martin
>> VIZ releases two versions of the manga, just like FUNi releases two
>versions
>> of their dubbed tapes. Just be careful not to buy the edited version
>(hint:
>> SUBSCRIBE to the manga. Don't buy it at Target or Toys R Us.)
>
>There is not two versions of the manga. They only print one a month and it's
>edited now. The first story arc (Pilaf) will be unedited in graphic novel
>format because it wasn't edited to start with. Go take a look at the fan
>letters section in Dragon Ball part 3, #3. They go into a lenghty discussion
>on it there.
>
There _are_ two versions of the manga. Just not released monthly, to comic
shops. I'm not sure about Dragon Ball, but Dragon Ball Z has eight issues
edited... They appear in packages of four. I've only been able to find them at
my local drug store. It clearly says in the top corner "EDITED VERSION".
So, whoever said that they work at a comic shop and did not get the second
version delivered (sorry... I lost the original post, and I'm too lazy to go
back and find it. ^_^) is right... The comic shops don't. It seems to be a
drug store, grocery store, etc.-only version. I'm sure they also have these at
Toys "R" Us, Target, etc. now.
I've also seen DragonBall Z manga at various bookstores, seperate, which says
"EDITED VERSION" at the top, but is only from those eight issues that are in
those two packs.
So, I dunno. SIGH. And I once thought Viz was a _good_ manga translating
company. Well, I suppose they are still, for the most part, just not for
Dragon Ball. It's probably not even their fault... They've been directed into
evil FUNimation-like moves because what FUNi has done to the series--Aimed it
twoards young children.
Dane Martin / dan...@aol.com
"And remember: People judge you *not* by the size of your feet, but by whether
your socks match." -Space Ghost
~~~ An Official Member of The A.F.S.H. Stupid Brigade ~~~
Ed Whitmore
The first story arcs of Dragonball and DBZ were released unedited. The
packaged books that are for sale in Target, Blockbuster, Toy's R Us, etc,
are the edited reprintings of those original unedited books. That's why
they're clearly marked "Edited Version".
But now that Viz has got the wrong-headed idea of censoring the books,
they're going to come out edited to begin with. They won't say "edited
version" anymore because only edited copies will exist from now on.
Can you all say "Viz are a bunch of pussies"? I knew you could...
SEAN
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Torankusu-kaiou and the Amazing Technicolor Fecal Matter
<redmo...@ohayo.konbanwa> wrote in message
>
> Okay folks, I apologize and admit I was wrong and was giving Viz too much
> credit. I haven't glanced at an issue of Viz's manga translation since my
> volume 2 subscription ran out.
>
> But you know, this does raise an interesting point...
>
> Viz has been publishing Ranma 1/2 for years. Ranma 1/2 is FULL of nudity
and
> sexual humor. They don't censor that. They also don't market it toward
kids.
>
> So what went wrong?
>
> Simple. They made Dragonball/DBZ TOO AVAILABLE.
>
> If it had been kept to the limited availability of their other manga
series,
> this bullshit never would have happened.
That's only part of the problem. Ranma 1/2 has been running in the US for
near 10 years now. The thing is, Ranma 1/2 has had no BK toy promos, no
syndication, no major fandom (that is generally known about), no half crazed
fans practically beating down the doors of Viz's main office demanding new
episodes, no major cable television network purchasing new episodes, no real
toy advertisement blitz, etc., etc. The real problem is that Dragon Ball (Z,
mainly), is known as a kid's show as it was in Japan, but they don't realize
that what is commonly acceptable for children in Japan will send the
religious fanatics into orbit in the US.
The point is, Dragon Ball is too well known in it's toned down form to allow
for a UN-edited version without causing a major stink, like it already
has...
PokeMastr5
YEAH!!
PokeMastr5
Ben Pop
PokeMastr5 wrote in message
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>>Now who's with me?? Do I hear a "Hell, Yeah"?
>
>YEAH!!
>
>PokeMastr5
Make your own damn comic if you want everything your way. Stop complaining,
be happy with what you have. If you can't accept that, then find a new
hobby. Part of being a fan isn't complaining. Part of being a fan is saying,
"This rocks."
PokeMastr5
>be happy with what you have. If you can't accept that, then find a new
>hobby. Part of being a fan isn't complaining. Part of being a fan is saying,
>"This rocks."
I'm getting sick of you. This is a DRAGON BALL newsgroup. We have a right to
complain, rave, rant, or otherwise express ourselves on the subject. If you
don't like it, YOU can go find another NG to bother.
PokeMastr5
Ed Whitmore
"Ben Pop" <zip...@home.com> wrote in message
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> Make your own damn comic if you want everything your way. Stop
complaining,
> be happy with what you have. If you can't accept that, then find a new
> hobby. Part of being a fan isn't complaining. Part of being a fan is
saying,
> "This rocks."
What about when it doesn't?
SEAN
Ben Pop
Ed Whitmore wrote in message ...
You go fishing.
Really, I hate to be the person who says how people should act. Everyone is
entitled to their own opinions. It's just like, that, complaining seems to
be done all too much. But then again, it's all harmless. The above was just
my opinion. Maybe this is just me. That's all. Bleh. Catcha on The Flipside.
__
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Ben Pop
PokeMastr5 wrote in message
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Though I shouldn't respond, I have a minute.
It is a DRAGONBALL newsgroup. I'm clear on that. Dragon Ball fans are here
to voice their opinions. If you look above, that was mine. Someone once
said, "If you don't like it...."
Thanks for reading.
--
Love,Ben
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Scooter1551
personally go beat down their door and go Super Saiya-jin on their buttocks!
When I picked up my first copy of their translated version a while back I was
very pleased. After Funimation's evil deeds I was eager to see the magna
handled with more respect. Now with this thing about a different edited version
has me worried. I really don't give a kuso if Viz wants to make a different
censored version for the kiddies, just as long as they don't start making it
the ONLY version. Please! Please! Email, Write or CALL them directly to stop
this before it even gets started. Tell them if they only start making censored
versions that you will not buy it anymore. They are in business to make money
and if they lose their customers they will have to listen.
WE MUST MAKE A VERY BIG STINK ABOUT THIS!
Scooter
ShrineNite
>personally go beat down their door and go Super Saiya-jin on their buttocks!
You have no right to complain if you can't even spell/say manga right..
- To Do List -
Become fluent in Japanese
Get my site in EX's links **DONE**
Build some type of mobile suit
Beat FF7 perfectly (Just recently found added cut, woohoo!)
Aaron Michael Newton
:>If Viz starts coming out with only edited versions of the magna I will
:>personally go beat down their door and go Super Saiya-jin on their buttocks!
: You have no right to complain if you can't even spell/say manga right..
*snicker* About a year ago I was in the comic shops when one of the clerks
came up to me and said, "hey, you read Magna books, right?" I thought he
was talking about some new indy publisher. I replied, "Sorry, never heard
of them." I then turned around and picked up that month's copy of Animerica
Extra, and he just looked at me funny then back and forth between me and the
manga racks.
Finally I realized what he meant. "Oh, you meant *manga*?" The confused
look continued. I waited about 30 seconds for a response, but he just kept
looking back and forth between me and the manga rack, apparently trying to
figure out what I was talking about. I gave up waiting on a response, went
to the register, and paid for my comics. When I walked out the door he was
still there staring at the manga rack.
-Aaron
Scooter1551
out. I hate to make mistakes like that. Man! I made such a dumb mistake. I
think I'll do the right thing and cut off a couple of fingers ,
Scooter