[OT] JCA fan site plans
Rev. Otana
who aren't on my friends list, here's the deal:
(Please note: work won't start on the site until
after next week, when my exams finish and I shall
have oodles of free time on my hands)
* * * * * * * * * * * * *
ATTENTION! HELP NEEDED!
If you're not a Jackie Chan Adventures fan, please pass
this on to someone you think may be interested. Thanks!
I've decided to go ahead with my plans to start a Jackie
Chan Adventures fan site, for many reasons. My Pocket
Monsters site "Team Rocket Central" was actually far
more popular than I thought (I only realised this when
I closed the site and received a barrage of confused fan
mail ^_^;;;), and judging from the quality of most JCA
sites, it shouldn't be too hard to do. And that's where
you come in. I need help from others with more site
planning experience than I have, so that this might
become the Planet Namek of the JCA fan world (only more
informative and actually correct).
The site will be hosted on my Anzwers account, so the
domain will be free (even though it'll mean an ugly URL),
but it works the other way too, in that I won't be able to
offer any kind of cash reimbursement for contributions,
only full credit on the site, links to homepages and such.
So, here's what I need from you guys:
+ Someone with a certain amount of knowledge of the Chinese
language (Mandarin, not Cantonese), but not necessarily
fluency. Just enough to recognise and write names, Uncle's
chi spell chant, etc. You must have Chinese language
character support on your computer, since I'd like to have
kanji on the site as well.
+ Someone with a good knowledge of HTML (and Javascript if
possible) for the layout design. The site's theme will be
the Shadowkhan, so something with a dark background and
light text. Just have a go and let me know if you have
some designs.
+ Someone with a good knowledge of graphics for banners,
images, buttons, etc. Although it must be based around the
Shadowkhan, it doesn't necessarily have to be sinister;
chibis, comedy theme -- anything you think would work.
Just show me what you've got. ^_^
+ Anyone who can offer something towards the actually meaty
part of the site -- VA biographies, rants, episode guides,
air dates, news on series four, or any kind of information
that may not be on other sites.
+ Anyone with ideas of any kind. If you want to help out
in any way, or want to participate but can't think of
something to contribute, let me know and I'm sure I can
come up with something.
Okay, that's all guys. Please, let me know if you want to
help! ^_^
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Viahatuso
One question. Do you consider Jackie Chan adventures anime?
Please say no. It's the new type of American anime, or what I like to
call WB anime.
Some people call any cartoon draw will some actual quality ANIME. Plus
most of all the good/interesting cartoons on tv are anime anyway :
Pokemon Yugi-oh Card Captors Digimon Monster Rancher Z-bots (or
something like that). I just hate it when people assume that the stuff
that airs around it it anime too. Like somebody told me BATMAN BEYOND
was anime. That really got to me. I mean even if you can't tell the
animation is different, at least notice how the storyline isn't that of
your basic anime series.
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Viahatuso
Sorry. went off on a tanget. ^_^
Will thsy sire have episode downloads? =D
Viahatuso
>
> Sorry. went off on a tanget. ^_^
> Will thsy sire have episode downloads? =D
>
will the site, i mean.
Jim Stanfield
Otana" <otana...@btopenworldnospam.com> wrote:
> Okay, that's all guys. Please, let me know if you want to
> help! ^_^
Well, I have (A) all sorts of crazy, awesome, esoteric web skills and (B)
far too much free time, but I also have no knowledge at all of this show.
So well, if I can help given that disadvantage, then sure.
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Rev. Otana
> One question. Do you consider Jackie Chan adventures
> anime? Please say no. It's the new type of American
> anime, or what I like to call WB anime.
Of course it's not fucking anime. Anime is a Japanese
word. Is that show Japanese? No. Stupid question.
Rev. Otana
> > Sorry. went off on a tanget. ^_^
> > Will thsy sire have episode downloads? =D
> will the site, i mean.
. . .
Do you have to work very hard to attain that kind
of level of stupidity?
[1] It's a free, public server
[2] That would be illegal
Rev. Otana
> > Okay, that's all guys. Please, let me know if you want to
> > help! ^_^
> Well, I have (A) all sorts of crazy, awesome, esoteric web skills and (B)
> far too much free time, but I also have no knowledge at all of this show.
> So well, if I can help given that disadvantage, then sure.
Well, the two people who've contacted me so far have only seen about three
episodes between them, so I'm pretty open for the moment.
If you want to just come up with some kind of funky layout and show
me what you think, that'd be great.
Torankusu-kaiou (Roid-Raging In The Rear)
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>
> If you want to just come up with some kind of funky layout and show
> me what you think, that'd be great.
I wish I could help out some, but my web skills are so pitiful I can barely
be arsed to keep my own site afloat...I may chip in episode reviews or
something whenever we get a new episode on Saturday mornings. I'm always
insanely bored on Saturday morning, for some reason...
(No, not bored by what's on TV. I just tend to be a lot more content if I'm
doing five things at once, and on Saturday mornings, I can usually barely
think of two.)
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Rev. Otana
> I wish I could help out some, but my web skills are so pitiful
> I can barely be arsed to keep my own site afloat...
That's why I'm asking everyone else. ^___^
> I may chip in episode reviews or something whenever we get a
> new episode on Saturday mornings. I'm always insanely bored
> on Saturday morning, for some reason...
Episode reviews are good. I haven't got any guides yet, although
I've done a little work into VA backgrounds and such. I found
out that Hak Foo's VA is also Winnie the Pooh. -_-;;;
Rachel Oliver
> Episode reviews are good. I haven't got any guides yet, although
> I've done a little work into VA backgrounds and such. I found
> out that Hak Foo's VA is also Winnie the Pooh. -_-;;;
You mean Jim Cummings?!
http://www.livejournal.com/interests.bml?int=jim+cummings
Heheh... ^_^ He does all kinds of awesome voices, mostly for Disney.
And he replaced Paul Winchell as Tigger. I am the only person on LJ
interested in Paul Winchell, though. :(
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> > I've done a little work into VA backgrounds and such. I found
> > out that Hak Foo's VA is also Winnie the Pooh. -_-;;;
>
>
> You mean Jim Cummings?!
>
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>
>> One question. Do you consider Jackie Chan adventures
>> anime? Please say no. It's the new type of American
>> anime, or what I like to call WB anime.
>Of course it's not fucking anime. Anime is a Japanese
>word. Is that show Japanese? No. Stupid question.
DISCLAIMER: This is not an attempt to start a flame war. The following are just
questions that happened to pop into my mind as I read your response.
Does a painting have to be from Spain to be considered cubist? I mean, the
shows in question might not fit your definition of true anime, but they're
certainly so influenced by the artistic style that it takes a discerning eye
(and sometimes ear, as per the storyline) to tell the difference.
And just because the Japanese word "anime" is used to describe the style
doesn't mean that other artists from other cultures can't create animes of
their own.
Now. Do I consider JCA true anime? No. I consider very little to be true
anime...in my list are Voltron, Cities of Gold, Gatchaman, and others in that
style. The post-Akira style of anime is the second wave, as far as I'm
concerned. WB anime may be the third.
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Rachel Oliver
> And just because the Japanese word "anime" is used to describe the style
> doesn't mean that other artists from other cultures can't create animes of
> their own.
The way I look at it is, "anime" is derived from "animeishon", or
"animation". If it's animated, it's anime. It's just the Japanese word
for cartoon.
Correct me if I'm wrong someone, but don't the Japanese refer to any
cartoon from anywhere in the world as anime?
Torankusu-kaiou (Roid-Raging In The Rear)
>
> > I may chip in episode reviews or something whenever we get a
> > new episode on Saturday mornings. I'm always insanely bored
> > on Saturday morning, for some reason...
>
> Episode reviews are good. I haven't got any guides yet, although
> I've done a little work into VA backgrounds and such. I found
> out that Hak Foo's VA is also Winnie the Pooh. -_-;;;
Very versatile, isn't he? He does lots of video game work, too, and a
buttload of roles in Disney stuff. He's also Fuzzy Lumpkins in Powerpuff
Girls,
Not to mention the fact he was Darkwing Duck, and also Don Karnage. ^_^
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> >
> > You mean Jim Cummings?!
> >
> Isn't that the name of Rob Zombie's little brother?
Might be the same name, but not the same Jim. Not unless Rob Zombie has a
fifty-year-old little brother. ^_^
http://us.imdb.com/Name?Cummings,+Jim
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> > >
> > Isn't that the name of Rob Zombie's little brother?
>
> Might be the same name, but not the same Jim. Not unless Rob Zombie has a
> fifty-year-old little brother. ^_^
>
And I think maybe his name might be Mike... not really sure.
Mirai Matt
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> DISCLAIMER: This is not an attempt to start a flame war. The following are
just
> questions that happened to pop into my mind as I read your response.
>
> Does a painting have to be from Spain to be considered cubist?
No, because "cubist" is a style. Anime isn't a style. It means "ANIMATION
FROM JAPAN". It
> I mean, the
> shows in question might not fit your definition of true anime, but they're
> certainly so influenced by the artistic style that it takes a discerning
eye
> (and sometimes ear, as per the storyline) to tell the difference.
>
Bullshit they do. You have to be _blind_ to see any American cartoon to be
anime. There are, for the most part, quality and appearance differences
between the two that are rather obvious, especially with American animation
of late, which, I believe because of the use of computers for animation,
looks REALLY ugly, IMO.
> And just because the Japanese word "anime" is used to describe the style
> doesn't mean that other artists from other cultures can't create animes of
> their own.
>
It's NOT used to describe a style. It's used to describe ANIMATION. The
Japanese use it for ANY animation, we use it for JAPANESE ANIMATION. I
repeat- not a STYLE, but a country of origin.
> Now. Do I consider JCA true anime? No. I consider very little to be true
> anime...in my list are Voltron, Cities of Gold, Gatchaman, and others in
that
> style. The post-Akira style of anime is the second wave, as far as I'm
> concerned. WB anime may be the third.
>
Like I said- calling anime a "style" is bullshit. It isn't a "style". Look
at POKEMON, and then look at the first Rurouni Kenshin OVAs. You're trying
to tell me that those are the same "style"? Anime is just ANIMATION FROM
JAPAN.
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Scion
just
>> questions that happened to pop into my mind as I read your response.
>> Does a painting have to be from Spain to be considered cubist?
>No, because "cubist" is a style. Anime isn't a style. It means "ANIMATION
>FROM JAPAN". It
It what? Don't leave me hanging like that, man!
...anyway, anime *is* a style. My proof? Merriam-Webster online. The entry:
Main Entry: an-i-me
Pronunciation: 'a-n&-"mA, 'ä-nE-
Function: noun
Etymology: Japanese, animation, short for animEshiyon, from English
Date: 1988
: a style of animation originating in Japan that is characterized by stark
colorful graphics depicting vibrant characters in action-filled plots often
with fantastic or futuristic themes
See that? It says, "a *style* of animation", and it describes the
characteristics of that style. But, maybe that's not enough for you. I'll check
out the other major online dictionary, just to be sure.
The American Heritage Dictionary (bartleby.com):
SYLLABICATION: an·i·me
PRONUNCIATION: n-m
NOUN: A style of animation developed in Japan, characterized by stylized
colorful art, futuristic settings, violence, and sex.
ETYMOLOGY: Japanese, short for animshon, animation, from English animation
Hmm...nope, you lost out on that one, too. Sorry.
>> I mean, the
>> shows in question might not fit your definition of true anime, but they're
>> certainly so influenced by the artistic style that it takes a discerning eye
>> (and sometimes ear, as per the storyline) to tell the difference.
>Bullshit they do. You have to be _blind_ to see any American cartoon to be
>anime. There are, for the most part, quality and appearance differences
>between the two that are rather obvious, especially with American animation
>of late, which, I believe because of the use of computers for animation,
>looks REALLY ugly, IMO.
What about JCA? What about Batman Beyond? What about Justice League? These
three are very deliberate attempts to emulate the anime style.
As for quality and appearance differences, who exactly are you kidding? Anime
is one of the jerkiest (i.e. non-smooth) forms of animation around. Many, many
animes are cranked out with poor plotlines, bad drawings, and substandard voice
acting. Shoot, half of the American version of the Cell saga conformed to that
description.
Compare any anime to a DreamWorks or pre-1994 Disney animated film (like
Aladdin or Prince of Egypt), and the anime will look far inferior in terms of
smooth animation and plotline.
>> And just because the Japanese word "anime" is used to describe the style
>> doesn't mean that other artists from other cultures can't create animes of
>> their own.
>It's NOT used to describe a style. It's used to describe ANIMATION. The
>Japanese use it for ANY animation, we use it for JAPANESE ANIMATION. I
>repeat- not a STYLE, but a country of origin.
Okay...so, if the Japanese use it to describe *any* animated film or cartoon,
then Disney is an anime too, right? X-Men was an anime, Animaniacs was an
anime, and Johnny Bravo is an anime.
Nah...like you said, when we refer to anime, we mean animation of Japanese
origin or that attempts to replicate the style: big eyes, small chins, weird
hair, and lots of hi-tech gadgetry.
Anime has to be a style, otherwise, all the American doujinshi artists are
sadly mistaken. They're not drawing manga after all, because they don't live in
Japan.
>> Now. Do I consider JCA true anime? No. I consider very little to be true
>> anime...in my list are Voltron, Cities of Gold, Gatchaman, and others in
that
>> style. The post-Akira style of anime is the second wave, as far as I'm
>> concerned. WB anime may be the third.
>Like I said- calling anime a "style" is bullshit. It isn't a "style". Look
>at POKEMON, and then look at the first Rurouni Kenshin OVAs. You're trying
>to tell me that those are the same "style"? Anime is just ANIMATION FROM
>JAPAN.
Going back to the fine art comparison...there's differences between Monet's
Impressionism and Renoir's Impressionism...that doesn't mean they didn't paint
in the same style. And it doesn't mean that *you* can't paint in the
Impressionist style just because you're not French. See my point?
Anime, as is commonly referred to by non-Japanese, is a developing and growing
style. You may not like the ways that Western artists are developing it, but
the fact remains that they are.
To translate the question into the world of music, I might ask: what's punk
music? Some would answer "Blink-182", others would say "Green Day", others "The
Clash", still others "The Sex Pistols", and finally there are those who would
say "The Velvet Underground." But the truth is that *all* of them follow a
certain style or format that can be recognized as punk music. Granted, Blink
and Green Day don't follow the punk ethic that the Pistols and the Clash did,
but they certainly formulate their music to *sound* like the Pistols and the
Clash.
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> The American Heritage Dictionary (bartleby.com):
>
> SYLLABICATION: an·i·me
> PRONUNCIATION: n-m
> NOUN: A style of animation developed in Japan, characterized by
> stylized colorful art, futuristic settings, violence, and sex.
> ETYMOLOGY: Japanese, short for animshon, animation, from English
> animation
>
> Hmm...nope, you lost out on that one, too. Sorry.
>
I wouldn't try to prove anything with that dictionary. Their definitions
can be quite broad and inaccurate.
For example:
schiz·o·phre·ni·a
n.
1. Any of a group of psychotic disorders usually characterized by
withdrawal from reality, illogical patterns of thinking, delusions, and
hallucinations, and accompanied in varying degrees by other emotional,
behavioral, or intellectual disturbances. Schizophrenia is associated
with dopamine imbalances in the brain and defects of the frontal lobe and
is caused by genetic, other biological, and psychosocial factors.
Now, I know many people who withdraw from reality, have illogical
patterns of thought, and are quite capable of deluding themselves. They
aren't, however, schizophrenic.
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>I wouldn't try to prove anything with that dictionary. Their definitions
>can be quite broad and inaccurate.
You have a point. I *did* put Merriam-Webster first, though. There really
aren't any other good online dictionaries besides those two, to my knowledge. I
know, I searched on Google for 10-15 minutes trying to find a third one.
Torankusu-kaiou (Roid-Raging In The Rear)
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> ...anyway, anime *is* a style. My proof? Merriam-Webster online. The
entry:
First of all, an online dictionary is not an authority on what is and what
is not a style.
> : a style of animation originating in Japan that is characterized by stark
> colorful graphics depicting vibrant characters in action-filled plots
often
> with fantastic or futuristic themes
>
> See that? It says, "a *style* of animation", and it describes the
> characteristics of that style.
Right. Okay, by that definition, To Heart is not anime. Maison Ikkoku is not
anime. Golden Boy is not anime. Sister Princess is not anime. Slam Dunk and
Captain Tsubasa are not anime. Hamutaro is not anime.
Oh, except guess what? THEY ARE. Your "proof" is defeated as false. NEXT.
> The American Heritage Dictionary (bartleby.com):
Again, an *AMERICAN* online *ENGLISH* dictionary is NOT an authority on
anime...
> SYLLABICATION: an·i·me
> PRONUNCIATION: n-m
> NOUN: A style of animation developed in Japan, characterized by stylized
> colorful art, futuristic settings, violence, and sex.
> Hmm...nope, you lost out on that one, too. Sorry.
Except that HE DIDN'T, and YOU *DID*, because that one is even MORE
incorrect than the other one.
> What about JCA? What about Batman Beyond? What about Justice League? These
> three are very deliberate attempts to emulate the anime style.
They're good. None of them are quite as good as the early 90s Batman: The
Animated Series. Guess where that was animated?
(Okay, to be fair, a good bit of the more recent stuff is too, they're just
not using the same house or teams anymore, but the production isn't nearly
as heavily-centered in Japan as it once was, and it'll show when TMS does
their Batman Beyond movie.)
And again, there is no "anime style". Take your head out of your ass and
watch some anime. Not just one anime, or even two anime, but several
different anime.
> As for quality and appearance differences, who exactly are you kidding?
Anime
> is one of the jerkiest (i.e. non-smooth) forms of animation around.
Oh yeah, Cowboy Bebop just looks horrible. So does Trigun. And Chobits, what
a joke that is, huh? Oooh, let's not forget those godawful Mamono Hunter
Yohko OVAs!
> Many, many
> animes are cranked out with poor plotlines, bad drawings, and substandard
voice
> acting.
As are many, many American cartoons. As are many, many cartoons in many,
many countries. What is your POINT, sir?
> Compare any anime to a DreamWorks or pre-1994 Disney animated film (like
> Aladdin or Prince of Egypt), and the anime will look far inferior in terms
of
> smooth animation and plotline.
Alright.
I have an image in my head. An image of...The Lion King.
I see good animation, good character designs. I hear good music. Oh! I hear
good voice work. Ah! I see PLOT! Yes, this is quite excellent!
On a Saturday morning, yes, that's just the kind of thing to get one going.
Now, I'm seeing...I'm seeing....I'm seeing Trigun.
I hear music that immediately excites me. I see excellent character designs.
I see a more muted approach to color to match the blander, harsher setting.
I see animation typical of a television series, which has to be produced on
a tighter schedule than a movie. It's...still about as smooth to my eye, and
it certainly doesn't bother me if it's not. I hear more good music. Ah! I
hear some voices! They're good voices! I like these voices! Ah! I see
something happening, so we have plot! I see this plot going somewhere. I see
it going, I see it going...wow! It just went somewhere I didn't expect it to
go at all! Well hot DAMN how about that.
Funny, that didn't look the least little bit inferior to me.
> >It's NOT used to describe a style. It's used to describe ANIMATION. The
> >Japanese use it for ANY animation, we use it for JAPANESE ANIMATION. I
> >repeat- not a STYLE, but a country of origin.
>
> Okay...so, if the Japanese use it to describe *any* animated film or
cartoon,
> then Disney is an anime too, right? X-Men was an anime, Animaniacs was an
> anime, and Johnny Bravo is an anime.
To the Japanese, yes, everything animated is anime. It's only outside of
Japan that a distinction is made.
> Nah...like you said, when we refer to anime, we mean animation of Japanese
> origin or that attempts to replicate the style: big eyes, small chins,
weird
> hair, and lots of hi-tech gadgetry.
Please actually attempt to watch something other than what is shown on
Cartoon Network before you say stupid shit like this, alright? This is tired
old nonsense we really don't need.
> Anime has to be a style, otherwise, all the American doujinshi artists are
> sadly mistaken. They're not drawing manga after all, because they don't
live in
> Japan.
...
Okay. Color me confused. Nothing in that statement makes sense whatsoever.
What you're saying is (and forgive me, I haven't done any programming shit
in a while):
if {anime != style}
and {location[artist] != japan}
then {product[doujinshi] != manga}
First of all, MANGA IS SIMPLY JAPANESE FOR "COMICS", DUMBASS. Ever actually
held a Dragonball tankoubon? Ever notice how it says "Jump COMICS" instead
of "Jump MANGA"? They're interchangeable words.
With that having been said, it should also be noted that manga and anime are
TWO ENTIRELY DIFFERENT MEDIA. One is printed, the other is audiovisual.
As far as the part about doujinshi artists not drawing "manga" if they don't
live in Japan, well...that's just plain fucking retarded. "manga" is the
Japanese word for "comics". It's not a "style", even if traditionally
Japanese comics are done in black and white--so are a lot of American
comics. Frankly, they could call them "tebeos", "bandes dessinées", or even
"stimifinkinorfdebobble" if they wanted to. Bottom line is, it's funky
pictures on paper with words that tell a story.
And anime, whether you call it anime, cartoons, historietas, fumetti,
dessins animés, or some weird word in an alien language made up of zig-zag
lines and dots, is funky moving pictures on film with sounds that tell a
story.
> Going back to the fine art comparison...there's differences between
Monet's
> Impressionism and Renoir's Impressionism...that doesn't mean they didn't
paint
> in the same style. And it doesn't mean that *you* can't paint in the
> Impressionist style just because you're not French. See my point?
The one on top of your head?
> Anime, as is commonly referred to by non-Japanese, is a developing and
growing
> style. You may not like the ways that Western artists are developing it,
but
> the fact remains that they are.
It's amazing how you can sit there and spout statements like this when you
don't have clue one what the fuck you're even talking about.
> To translate the question into the world of music, I might ask: what's
punk
> music? Some would answer "Blink-182", others would say "Green Day", others
"The
> Clash", still others "The Sex Pistols", and finally there are those who
would
> say "The Velvet Underground." But the truth is that *all* of them follow a
> certain style or format that can be recognized as punk music. Granted,
Blink
> and Green Day don't follow the punk ethic that the Pistols and the Clash
did,
> but they certainly formulate their music to *sound* like the Pistols and
the
> Clash.
You're confusing style and genre, but that's beside the point.
The point here isn't one of style, nor is it one of genre, it's one of
definition. The basic fact is, any way you slice it, any kind of glorified
reverence you want to place upon it, any kind of elitist attitude you may or
may not have about it, ANIME=ANIMATION=CARTOONS.
And that's really all there is to it.
Mirai Matt
>
> It what? Don't leave me hanging like that, man!
>
> ...anyway, anime *is* a style. My proof? Merriam-Webster online. The
entry:
>
> Main Entry: an-i-me
> Pronunciation: 'a-n&-"mA, 'ä-nE-
> Function: noun
> Etymology: Japanese, animation, short for animEshiyon, from English
> Date: 1988
> : a style of animation originating in Japan that is characterized by stark
> colorful graphics depicting vibrant characters in action-filled plots
often
> with fantastic or futuristic themes
>
> See that? It says, "a *style* of animation", and it describes the
> characteristics of that style. But, maybe that's not enough for you. I'll
check
> out the other major online dictionary, just to be sure.
>
See that? It also says that whoever wrote the definition saw "AKIRA" and
that's pretty much all. I guess Love Hina isn't anime! Grave of the
Fireflies, that movie isn't anime! Maison Ikkoku either! And the Rurouni
Kenshin OVAs aren't anime because the graphics aren't colorful!
> The American Heritage Dictionary (bartleby.com):
>
> SYLLABICATION: an·i·me
> PRONUNCIATION: n-m
> NOUN: A style of animation developed in Japan, characterized by stylized
> colorful art, futuristic settings, violence, and sex.
> ETYMOLOGY: Japanese, short for animshon, animation, from English animation
>
> Hmm...nope, you lost out on that one, too. Sorry.
>
They have to have sex now too?! Shit, now Pokemon isn't anime, and most of
Gundam isn't anime! And Mononoke Hime isn't either! I wonder what the
Japanese would think of that, seeing as how Mononoke Hime broke tons of box
office records there.
What next, man?
>
> What about JCA? What about Batman Beyond? What about Justice League? These
> three are very deliberate attempts to emulate the anime style.
>
There isn't an anime "style". There's a STEREOTYPE.
Out of those, the only one I've seen more than once is Batman Beyond, and I
have no clue how the hell that's called "anime style". It looks like a
Batman cartoon. It doesn't look "anime style", whatever the fuck you think
that is, anyway.
> As for quality and appearance differences, who exactly are you kidding?
Anime
> is one of the jerkiest (i.e. non-smooth) forms of animation around. Many,
many
> animes are cranked out with poor plotlines, bad drawings, and substandard
voice
> acting. Shoot, half of the American version of the Cell saga conformed to
that
> description.
>
And yet many _aren't_. Try looking at things before you start talking.
> Compare any anime to a DreamWorks or pre-1994 Disney animated film (like
> Aladdin or Prince of Egypt), and the anime will look far inferior in terms
of
> smooth animation and plotline.
>
Fucking turn off Cartoon Network and watch some other anime. If you compare
anything REMOTELY in the same class, this difference quickly becomes
bullshit. The best thing I can think of offhand is Mononoke Hime- that film
had nice, smooth animation, because it was a huge production of a movie.
Huge animated productions should be compared to huge animated productions,
and morning cartoons should be compared to morning cartoons. Compared to the
Mega Man TV show (WHICH WAS MADE IN THE US), Dragonball Z looks fucking
amazing.
>
> Okay...so, if the Japanese use it to describe *any* animated film or
cartoon,
> then Disney is an anime too, right? X-Men was an anime, Animaniacs was an
> anime, and Johnny Bravo is an anime.
>
It is to them, yes. That's not how it's used here.
> Nah...like you said, when we refer to anime, we mean animation of Japanese
> origin or that attempts to replicate the style: big eyes, small chins,
weird
> hair, and lots of hi-tech gadgetry.
>
TURN OFF FUCKING CARTOON NETWORK.
Not all anime has all of that, say nothing about those that have NONE of it.
Once again, the classic example- Rurouni Kenshin OVAs. Small eyes, takes
place in the middle of the Meiji Restoration, in Japan.
> Anime has to be a style, otherwise, all the American doujinshi artists are
> sadly mistaken. They're not drawing manga after all, because they don't
live in
> Japan.
>
I like to eat candy!
(in case you were confused, this is just as relevant as what you just said!)
>
> Going back to the fine art comparison...there's differences between
Monet's
> Impressionism and Renoir's Impressionism...that doesn't mean they didn't
paint
> in the same style. And it doesn't mean that *you* can't paint in the
> Impressionist style just because you're not French. See my point?
>
Yes, and I really don't give a shit, because Impressionism IS A STYLE. Anime
is ANIMATION FROM JAPAN. Using yet another analogy that really has no
meaning in an attempt to explain your point is really futile, as I already
KNOW what you're trying to say, I just don't give two shits because you're
_WRONG_.
And furthermore- I know little about art, but I'd assume Monet's
impressionism looks more like Renoir's impressionism than it does like the
Mona Lisa, right? Because that's how big the difference in style is between
some anime. Anime CANNOT be called a style because there's simply nothing
constant through it.
> Anime, as is commonly referred to by non-Japanese, is a developing and
growing
> style. You may not like the ways that Western artists are developing it,
but
> the fact remains that they are.
>
You have an incredible talent in going "I AM CLEARLY RIGHT, HERE, I WILL SAY
IT AGAIN SO I LOOK MORE RIGHT EVEN IF YOU DO NOT LIKE IT BECAUSE I AM
RIGHT."
> To translate the question into the world of music, I might ask: what's
punk
> music? Some would answer "Blink-182", others would say "Green Day", others
"The
> Clash", still others "The Sex Pistols", and finally there are those who
would
> say "The Velvet Underground." But the truth is that *all* of them follow a
> certain style or format that can be recognized as punk music. Granted,
Blink
> and Green Day don't follow the punk ethic that the Pistols and the Clash
did,
> but they certainly formulate their music to *sound* like the Pistols and
the
> Clash.
>
Once again- unrelated media, stupid analogy. I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO
SAY. Comparing to another _STYLE_ means nothing, because IT'S NOT A STYLE.
It's animation from Japan, _PERIOD_.
The funny part about this is that the only true support you had in this
entire post was the dictionary definitions, and I think we can see how
gloriously correct those were.
And before you go off ranting about how everyone in this group hates you and
how we're all elitist freaks or something, why don't you just look at what
you're saying? We aren't elitist. If you were making points that made any
sense, we wouldn't argue them. The idea here is that you _aren't_. This has
nothing to do with being new or old, because I'd argue with anybody who just
started spouting out random shit without any sort of reason behind it.
-Mirai Matt
Majin Pink Hat Guy
That was the most inane, stupid, and useless rant I have ever seen.
The others have answered it, I just want to say, please, please, drop
the thing about arguing an issue too far and just take a course on
group conformity!
Majin Pink Hat Guy
Zibro
news:43e60abf.02080...@posting.google.com...
This is not your calling.
Please go back to writing stories, you are no good at all with this whole
"insult" thing.
At first, I had the word "shitty" before stories, but I've never read them.
Because I figure they would be shitty. Oh well.
--
-z
BVille
"Scion" <robert...@aol.comatU2com> wrote in message
> Okay...so, if the Japanese use it to describe *any* animated film or
cartoon,
> then Disney is an anime too, right? X-Men was an anime, Animaniacs was an
> anime, and Johnny Bravo is an anime.
To people in Mexico, as well as many other Central and Southern American
countries, "fiesta" means any kind of party. In the US, a "fiesta" is a type
of party characterized by wearing big sombreros (same idea with this as
fiesta), tacos, burritos and salsa. The same concept applies to anime. In
Japan, "anime" is any type of animated cartoon, while in the US and Europe,
"anime" basically means animation from Japan.
Mole 12a
*goes and grabs hard hat*
*prises of koban coin sticks on talisman*
*puts on hard hat*
I watch the show too much any ways.
A B C ya!
--
From Mole 12a
(The Wizzard of Odd)
-------------------------
squee.
NARF
Penny Arcade ROCKS
Rev. Otana
<snip>
Short and sweet.
I like it. ^_^
Rev. Otana
> Yep sure count me in.
'Kay, I'll add you to the mailing list. ^_^
dregan
<snip>
Aye.
-DGi d
THE MOUNTAIN OF FUN
Rev. Otana
> <snip>
> Aye.
Que?
dregan
> > <snip>
> > Aye.
> Que?
I'm so sorry, I'm from Barcelona.
-DGi d
THEY LISTEN TO THE CURE
Rev. Otana
> > > <snip>
> > > Aye.
> > Que?
> I'm so sorry, I'm from Barcelona.
You're a strange lad, I'll give you that.
You want in on the site?
dregan
> > > > <snip>
> > > > Aye.
> > > Que?
> > I'm so sorry, I'm from Barcelona.
> You're a strange lad, I'll give you that.
I'll strange you!
> You want in on the site?
Aye.
-DGi d
CHICKEN ADVENTUROUS
Rev. Otana
> > > > > <snip>
> > > > > Aye.
> > > > Que?
> > > I'm so sorry, I'm from Barcelona.
> > You're a strange lad, I'll give you that.
> I'll strange you!
You did before. Cost me ￡70 to get it put right.
> > You want in on the site?
> Aye.
I'll be adding you to the list, then.
dregan
> dregan:
>
> > > > > > <snip>
> > > > > > Aye.
> > > > > Que?
> > > > I'm so sorry, I'm from Barcelona.
> > > You're a strange lad, I'll give you that.
> > I'll strange you!
> You did before. Cost me ￡70 to get it put right.
ACCEPT MY STRANGE!
http://www.anabuki.co.jp/anabukin-chan/theater/index.html
> > > You want in on the site?
> > Aye.
> I'll be adding you to the list, then.
Hooray!
-DGi d
I HAVE TO CHANGE MY LIST
[...spooky. SigChanger is listening to us.]