Meaning of Liff / The Deeper meaning of Liff differences
Christian Cook
Hello all
A relative of mine has asked for the 'Meaning of Liff' for Christmas. I
myself own 'The Deeper meaning of Liff' and was under the impression that
the latter was the entire contents of the former with a few added things
thrown in, so I was going to just buy her 'The Deeper meaning of Liff.'
Suddenly, the Salmon of doubt has visited my door... not the book, the
actual salmon that induces doubt, and I'm thinking maybe it isn't as simple
as all that.
If anyone can give me a quick concise overview of the overlap and any
differences between the two books, then I'd be most grateful.
Also, if anyone knows how to get the smell of salmon out of doormats, that
would be useful, too.
Christian Cook
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MJ Simpson
> A relative of mine has asked for the 'Meaning of Liff' for Christmas. I
> myself own 'The Deeper meaning of Liff'
>
> differences between the two books, then I'd be most grateful.
While we're at it, does anyone have the time and patience to identify
the additions, deletions and alterations in the American editions of
TMOL and TDML, compared with the UK editions?
Wouldn't it be great to have 'The Ultimate Liff', combining all the
definitions from UK and US editions of both books, plus the stuff from
the Comic Relief book, and as I recall there's one or two in NOT 1982
which never made it into TMOL. Actually, that's not a bad idea - I
might suggest it to Pan Books...
MJ Simpson, author of:
The Pocket Essential Hitchhiker's Guide (2001)
Don't Panic: Douglas Adams and the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
(2002, 3rd edition, with Neil Gaiman and David K Dickson)
Hitchhiker: A Biography of Douglas Adams (2003)
Kaare Fiedler Christiansen
edition.
But as for The Meaning Of Liff and The Deeper Meaning of Liff, in my
versions, as far as I know, the Deeper Meaning of Liff has all the
words of the Meaning of Liff, and more, and the only word with
different meanings I know off is the word Liff itself.
Best
Kaare
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$ make it so
don't know how to make it (bu42).
Gusty the Half-a-Cat
wrote:
>Christian Cook <sh...@christiancook.com> wrote in message news:<BA17B881.2973E%sh...@christiancook.com>...
>> A relative of mine has asked for the 'Meaning of Liff' for Christmas. I
>> myself own 'The Deeper meaning of Liff'
>>
>> If anyone can give me a quick concise overview of the overlap and any
>> differences between the two books, then I'd be most grateful.
>
>While we're at it, does anyone have the time and patience to identify
>the additions, deletions and alterations in the American editions of
>TMOL and TDML, compared with the UK editions?
>
>Wouldn't it be great to have 'The Ultimate Liff', combining all the
>definitions from UK and US editions of both books, plus the stuff from
>the Comic Relief book, and as I recall there's one or two in NOT 1982
>which never made it into TMOL. Actually, that's not a bad idea - I
>might suggest it to Pan Books...
>
Yep, there's a few in NOT1982 that aren't in the books:-
Freep (noun or verb) One of those pathetic little farts which sound
like a trimphone.
Question is, does anybody remember whta trimphone is and can you
imitate one as we all could back in the late '70s?
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Geoff Phillips
>
> Freep (noun or verb) One of those pathetic little farts which sound
> like a trimphone.
>
> Question is, does anybody remember whta trimphone is and can you
> imitate one as we all could back in the late '70s?
>
When, as a child, we'd moved into a new house, and had no previous
experience of phones, there was a trimphone in the house, sleek and
futuristic (for 1970). I had just, on my own, watched a Doctor Who episode
in, with those plastic mannekins that burst out of shop windows, and the
trimphone went off, with a sound not entirely dissimilar to one used in that
preceding show. Scared me to death!
Geoff.
David Brider
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Oh well, if delurking is good enough for you, then it's good enough for me too.
>If anyone can give me a quick concise overview of the overlap and any
>differences between the two books, then I'd be most grateful.
Couldn't list everything as I only own DMOL, but there was one instance I'm
aware of which in the first book was a reference to a page of script from an
episode of "Blake's 7" (possibly the definition for "Clackavoid") which in DMOL
became an episode of an Australian soap opera, in my opinion a far more
deserving target of Adams'/Lloyd's implied criticism...
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Kaare Fiedler Christiansen
> Christian Cook wrote in message ...
> ><Delurk>
>
> Oh well, if delurking is good enough for you, then it's good enough for me too.
>
> >If anyone can give me a quick concise overview of the overlap and any
> >differences between the two books, then I'd be most grateful.
>
> Couldn't list everything as I only own DMOL, but there was one instance I'm
> aware of which in the first book was a reference to a page of script from an
> episode of "Blake's 7" (possibly the definition for "Clackavoid") which in DMOL
> became an episode of an Australian soap opera, in my opinion a far more
> deserving target of Adams'/Lloyd's implied criticism...
Wow, you're right.
From TMOL:
Clackavoid (n.)
Technical BBC term for a page of dialogue from /Blake's Seven/.
From TDMOL:
Clackavoid (n.)
The technical term for a single page of script from an Australian soap
opera.
One thing that annoys me in my copy of "The Meaning of Liff" is that
it doesn't contain any of the later (funny) forewords for later
printings, that my copy of "The Deeper Meaning of Liff" claims should
be there. There's only the first foreword. Goodthing they are listed
in my TDMOL then.
Kaare Fiedler Christiansen
books, and decided to skim them for differences. I was shocked to find
that loads of the entries have been edited, and some even omitted.
Starting from the A's, the first entry to differ is Acle, the 8th word
in the book. In The meaning of Liff, it is described thus:
Acle (n.)
The rogue pin which shirtmakers conceal in the most improbable fold of
a new shirt. Its function is to stab you when you don the garment.
For unknown reasons, in TDMOL, this has been changed to
Acle (n.)
The rogue pin which shirtmakers conceal in a hidden fold of a new
shirt. Its function is to stab you when you don the garment.
There seems to be many of these small changes, most of them for the
worse. Stuff like 'a' changed to 'the' and rephrasing of sentences.
A word like Agglethorpe has been completely left out (A disputer
between two pooves in a butique).
Does anyone know (M.J. Simpson, perhaps) whether these changed were
devised by Douglas Adams and John Lloyd, or if they were made by the
publishers?
MJ Simpson
> devised by Douglas Adams and John Lloyd, or if they were made by the
> publishers?
Douglas had very little to do with either Liff book beyond thinking up
about half the definitions. But John was very closely involved with
the editing and preparation of both books, so I would imagine that any
pootling changes like you describe would have been done with his
knowledge.
Tag
> Acle (n.)
> The rogue pin which shirtmakers conceal in the most improbable fold of
> a new shirt. Its function is to stab you when you don the garment.
> For unknown reasons, in TDMOL, this has been changed to
> Acle (n.)
> The rogue pin which shirtmakers conceal in a hidden fold of a new
> shirt. Its function is to stab you when you don the garment.
That's very odd. Yes, the new one IS worse. Maybe TDMOL worked from an
earlier draft, or something?
> A word like Agglethorpe has been completely left out (A disputer
> between two pooves in a butique).
Mmm, that IS on the borderline of being offensive to gay people. I
don't have a problem with it, but can see why some people might.
Tag
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Alex Watson
> A relative of mine has asked for the 'Meaning of Liff' for Christmas.
> I myself own 'The Deeper meaning of Liff' and was under the impression
> that the latter was the entire contents of the former with a few added
> things thrown in, so I was going to just buy her 'The Deeper meaning
> of Liff.'
>
> Suddenly, the Salmon of doubt has visited my door... not the book, the
> actual salmon that induces doubt, and I'm thinking maybe it isn't as
> simple as all that.
>
> If anyone can give me a quick concise overview of the overlap and any
> differences between the two books, then I'd be most grateful.
IF you can get the pocket-dictionary-sized Meaning of Liff, get that,
it's so much cooler than the Deeper Meaning of Liff. Other than that,
well, Deeper has pictures of random definitions while Liff doesn't,
Deeper has stupid gimmicks with the maps at the start, Liff doesn't,
Deeper has some definitions added or changed, and ISTR some removed.
AND THEY CHANGED THE MEANING OF LIFF. SACRILEDGE. Might explain while
it's called the "deeper" meaning of liff, but I call it SHALLOWER.
Have a nice day now.
Gusty the Half-a-Cat
Alex Watson <alexw...@deadspam.com> spewed up:
I would agree with that - the original is superior in most ways.
I also like the windows help version which is around on the net -
vastly more useful than most help files
If I can port this to my PPC I'll be a hoopy bunny.
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D.
If you make a mistake and get tangled up, you just Tango on.
Christian Cook
mjsi...@btinternet.com wrote on 08.12.02 17:42:
> Wouldn't it be great to have 'The Ultimate Liff', combining all the
> definitions from UK and US editions of both books, plus the stuff from
> the Comic Relief book, and as I recall there's one or two in NOT 1982
> which never made it into TMOL. Actually, that's not a bad idea - I
> might suggest it to Pan Books...
>
So, kind of 'Liff, the omnibus and everything.'
Roosta
nice inconspicuous thing to own and frequently quote from, especially
if it looks the part, like a phrasebook or pocket dictionary.
Personally, I like the gimmicky bits at the start of TDMOL. I thought
the maps were very amusing - becoming increasingly silly, the
projections becoming more distorted. The appendix (is that unique to
TDMOL?) is also quite funny in its own right.
How big is the original?
MJ Simpson
Personally, I like the gimmicky bits at the start of TDMOL. I thought
> the maps were very amusing - becoming increasingly silly, the
> projections becoming more distorted. The appendix (is that unique to
> TDMOL?) is also quite funny in its own right.
> How big is the original?
The original TMOL is 3.5 inches wide by 6 inches high, but the version
on sale nowadays looks about an inch or so wider than that (though I
haven't taken a ruler into my local Waterstones to check). The
original was specifically designed to fit into a jacket pocket.
TMOL also has gimmicky maps of course, though they're alongside each
letter rather than all at the front (and look better because they
don't have that dated 'computer graphic' look). No illustrations so no
'appendix'.
I still think the funniest part of the book is the index.
Jan van den Broek
demanding John Cleese to do silly walks in TMOL which isn't in TDMOL.
[Currently listening to Die Haut feat. Nick Cave, with a bit of mellon
collie[1], "Hey Hey Hey, I am the stow-away"]
[1] Non-DNA-ObRef[2]
[2] Also a non-"Band which name I will remember 1 split second after I've sent
out this posting"-ObRef[3].
[3] One Zuiderzee-flavored point available.
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sign of someone who wears his underpants on his head."
Terry Pratchett -- "Maskerade"
Gusty the Half-a-Cat
>Sorry if it was mentioned earlier here, but IIRC there's an entry about people
>demanding John Cleese to do silly walks in TMOL which isn't in TDMOL.
>
>[Currently listening to Die Haut feat. Nick Cave, with a bit of mellon
> collie[1], "Hey Hey Hey, I am the stow-away"]
>
>[1] Non-DNA-ObRef[2]
>[2] Also a non-"Band which name I will remember 1 split second after I've sent
> out this posting"-ObRef[3].
>[3] One Zuiderzee-flavored point available.
Sorry, all those footnotes are making my head feel like a pumpkin
smashed by a slice of lemon wrapped round a large gold brick..
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D.
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froup?"- Sid
Alun Palmer
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I'm not much of a programmer, but if you click on help in anything I've
written, it just says "DON'T PANIC!".
Bill Kinkaid
>
>I'm not much of a programmer, but if you click on help in anything I've
>written, it just says "DON'T PANIC!".
Which is about as useful as anything I've found in any help file for a
very long time. At least since WordPerfect 5.1.
Bill in Vancouver
Alun Palmer
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Yeah, that's what I figure. That's why I do it.