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Dannie

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Mar 18, 2003, 7:17:23 PM3/18/03
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I think Joe Kubert would have done a great job on Doc and the gang if it
had been done in the Sgt. Rock and Easy Co. vein. Easy Co. was another
collection of distinct supporting characters and I thought he captured
the camraderie well, plus the shots of Sgt. Rock in a ripped shirt
always reminded me of someone familiar......And, I never understood why
Marvel and DC would buy the rights to the characters and then try to
change them into something they were never meant to be, at least Dark
Horse and Millennium tried to stay true to the spirit of the pulps. The
Shadow found a wonderful interpreter in Mike Kaluta, too bad Doc never
found his.

Bill Jackson

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Mar 19, 2003, 5:26:41 PM3/19/03
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Fish...@webtv.net (Dannie) wrote in message news:<8360-3E7...@storefull-2173.public.lawson.webtv.net>...


I think the "problem" with Doc's visual representation, especially at
Marvel, is that they were afraid his usual mode of dress, a business
suit, would have seemed lost among the skin-tight costumes of The
Avengers or The Justice League. This is why they tried to give him a
"costume" to "identify" him with (and pave the way for trademarking
and marketing. I want my Doc Savage Secret Wars or Super Powers Action
Figure). I always wondered how Doc could walk around bare-chested in
the 1930s of the Marvel Universe. Even the boots and jodhpurs would
have raised comments.
I like Kubert's work, I jsut feel that his work is too dark and gritty
for Doc. Still, I have a couple of Superman stories he's done...
Actually, the more I think about it, Will Eisner may be the one to
have done Doc.

Mark Golden

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Mar 19, 2003, 11:53:13 PM3/19/03
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I agree 100%. Something that works well if you are reading prose ... your
own personal image of Doc ... is COMPETELY incompatible with the "normal"
comic book image. Doc novels say, a distinctive individual who can minimize
the extent to which he stands out from a crowd. Comic book reality: gotta
have a costume or something totally out of the ordinary.

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Bill Jackson

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Mar 20, 2003, 5:09:24 PM3/20/03
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"Mark Golden" <ncraw...@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<ZObea.9717$jA2.9...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...

> I agree 100%. Something that works well if you are reading prose ... your
> own personal image of Doc ... is COMPETELY incompatible with the "normal"
> comic book image. Doc novels say, a distinctive individual who can minimize
> the extent to which he stands out from a crowd. Comic book reality: gotta
> have a costume or something totally out of the ordinary.
>
> mjg

It's like they think a guy standing something like 6'6", well-built
but not overmuscled, with a deep tan, reddish hair, golden eyes, and a
massive amount of charisma wouldn't be disincive enough without the
silly white pants, black boots, and vest with no shirt. The polo-type
shirt from the B&W magazines was better, but...
And to think they started the FF in street clothes.

Bulldog660

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Mar 22, 2003, 11:22:09 AM3/22/03
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Artist who I would like to see
drawing Doc and crew:
Neal Adams
Mike Mignola
Joe Kubert (his was the definative Tarzan)
Jim Lee
Barry Windsor Smith
Rich Corben
Mike Kaluta


DomDawes

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Mar 22, 2003, 8:29:24 PM3/22/03
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Would love to have seen a Doc by Jack Kirby in his 1960s prime (inked by Joe
Sinnott!)
The artist who brought Thor and Hercules to life would've done justice to Doc,
and he had lotsa ripped-shirt experience doing Sgt. & Nick Fury!

-D

Bryan Hassenpflug

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Mar 23, 2003, 7:25:17 AM3/23/03
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Will Eisner defin., but how about Wally Wood?
Bryan H

Bulldog660

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Mar 23, 2003, 10:40:06 AM3/23/03
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Will Eisner defin., but how about Wally Wood?
Bryan H}}}}}}

Eisner, great artist though he is, is a
bit cartoonish for Doc. But Wally Wood
would have been great for Doc, he was
a master of that 50's techno look, check
out his Weird Science covers and he
could draw khakis, jodpuhrs etc. like
nobody else.
Bulldog

Bill Jackson

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Mar 24, 2003, 7:58:37 PM3/24/03
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domd...@aol.com (DomDawes) wrote in message news:<20030322202924...@mb-mr.aol.com>...

I didn't include Kirby because it might be a little TOO dynamic.
Although an out-and-out battle between Doc's crew and a gang o crooks
illusrated by Kirby might be a joy to behold.
As I may have mentioned before, in the THUNDER Agent's spin-off Dynamo
there was a pin up of a character by Wally Wood that was a swipe from
The Man of Bronze. Wood could have done Doc and done him well. here
are some artist who do execllent work, but I just can't see them doing
Doc: George Perez and Jim Starlin, for instance.
Maybe Jose Luis Garcia-Lopez? The guy who did Nevada and Amazonia
(Phil Winsnade?)

Moklerman

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Mar 29, 2003, 5:56:23 PM3/29/03
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Kirby did do the Avenger(by Robeson). I don't remember if it was 3 or 5
issues, but DC produced them back in the 70's and they were pretty fun. The
covers were the best part if you ask me, but the stories stayed fairly loyal to
the Bantam paperbacks. If I was going to pick a contemporary artist to do Doc
Savage it would have to be Dave Stevens. Doc showed up (sort of) with Monk and
Ham in the Rocketeer comics and they were dead-on. To pick an even slower
artist, I would be curious to see how Adam Hughes would do a Doc story.

ANIM8Rfsk

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Mar 29, 2003, 6:58:38 PM3/29/03
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<< From: mokl...@aol.com (Moklerman) >>


<< To pick an even slower
artist, I would be curious to see how Adam Hughes would do a Doc story. >>

Well, we know Pat would rock!

DomDawes

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Mar 31, 2003, 12:03:41 AM3/31/03
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mokl...@aol.com sez...

<< Kirby did do the Avenger(by Robeson). I don't remember if it was 3 or 5
issues, but DC produced them back in the 70's and they were pretty fun.>>

The book ran four issues.

Titled JUSTICE, INC. since Marvel had a trademark on "Avengers" for comics. (A
one-shot comic about the British tv series was titled JOHN STEED & MRS. PEEL
for the same reason)

Denny O'Neil wrote all four issues. (He also wrote most of THE SHADOW's intital
DC Comics run, as well.)
Kirby pencilled #2, #3, and #4 and did covers for #2 & #3. (Joe Kubert did #1's
and #4's covers)
#1 was an adaptation of "Justice. Inc." drawn by Al McWilliams.
#2 was an adaptation of "The Sky Walker".
3 & 4 were new stories.
#3 featured General Sodom who had appeared in THE SHADOW #5. He doesn't survive
his JUSTICE, INC. appearance.

The Avenger then guest-starred in THE SHADOW #11, marking the first time any
two Street & Smith heroes had met!
The two heroes and their assistants fought Shiwan Khan.

Weird Trivia: In all three Kirby-drawn issues, the villains fell to their
deaths from a great height!

-D

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