Smart Patrol Synth Question
HK
and got some info. I know it was said that you need a Minimoog, but that a
couple of others could come close, so a friend & I tried a Moog Rogue, but
we couldn't figure it out. My friend has a good ear for these things, but he
was perplexed - He said that it SOUNDS like it's not just a straight glide;
it sounds like there's somewhat of a fairly specific sequence going on.
HOWEVER, if there WAS, then the bottom & top before & after the glide
wouldn't sound so straight! We give up! So can anybody give me more specific
info?
Also, I recently watched a live video from '82 and noticed that MM was now
using a Roland for this (don't know which model #).
HK
HK
how it was created in order to duplicate it is what's giving us the problem.
HK
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> "HK" <non...@earthlink.net.NO.SPAM!> writes:
> > I asked once before how to create the Smart Patrol "upward glide"
pattern,
> > and got some info. I know it was said that you need a Minimoog, but that
a
> > couple of others could come close, so a friend & I tried a Moog Rogue,
but
> > we couldn't figure it out. My friend has a good ear for these things,
but he
> > was perplexed - He said that it SOUNDS like it's not just a straight
glide;
> > it sounds like there's somewhat of a fairly specific sequence going on.
> > HOWEVER, if there WAS, then the bottom & top before & after the glide
> > wouldn't sound so straight! We give up! So can anybody give me more
specific
> > info?
>
> Couldn't you rip the track from the CD and then use a .wav editor to
> slow down the part in question? I figured out how they did the synth
> "slide" in Too Much Paranoias (and Are You Experienced?) that way.
>
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>how it was created in order to duplicate it is what's giving us the problem.
I'll take a stab at it.
In listening to the song, it doesn't sound like it's a glide at all, but
instead the oscillators were tuned to a strange interval, and then actually
played from the low end of the keyboard ot the top end. If you listen to it
closely, you can hear that there's not really any gliding/sliding going on, but
instead the notes are solid, and get higher. as if they were actually played.
In concert, this was probably sequenced, but I would guess that it wasn't a
glide at all. Plus, if it were a glide, *most* synths don't differentiate
between an upward glide and a downward glide, so on an instrument like a
minimoog, the glide setting would have to be reset to zero between the end of
the high note and the start of the next low note in the sequence. That's a lot
of twiddling!
You can hear the different intervals of the osc's in there, and you can
definitely hear the modulation/tremolo, but I don't hear any glide at all.
Maybe Mitch or Jon Yo or some of the other synthheads in the group can shed
additional light on this.
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Peter Swimm
they had too, was the other just a backup?
btw some korn fan turned her friends at the show and exclaimed" Man look
at those fake moogs!"
it twas her male bitch whcih got the enrgy dome during the mid show
scuffle
yes im still VERY bitter
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Peter Swimm <krad...@texas.net> wrote:
>btw some korn fan turned her friends at the show and exclaimed" Man look
>at those fake moogs!"
< Insert diatribe against Korn fans here :) >
I've been a DEVO fan since "New Traditionalists" and have NEVER had the
chance to see them live. Once they played The Channel on Boston, but I
wasn't old enough to get in. Grr...
Talk about being bitter!
Reg
Reggie
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Mshotz
>chance to see them live.
Just to rub it in, I saw the NuTra tour and it rocked!
MSHOTZ: The Post Post Modern Man
I just got a phone call from your Proctologist, He found your head!
Craig S. Thom
> Just to rub it in, I saw the NuTra tour and it rocked!
> MSHOTZ: The Post Post Modern Man
Yeah, yeah. I saw Q&A, Freedom of Choice, AND New Traditionalists.
Ronald Cole
> >'ve been a DEVO fan since "New Traditionalists" and have NEVER had the
> >chance to see them live.
>
Yeah, the treadmills and the Temple of Devo *ROCKED*!! Especially
when they were climbing all over the temple during the break in Jocko
Homo... Twenty years later and I remember it like it was yesterday.
Bob
Bob
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> > Just to rub it in, I saw the NuTra tour and it rocked!
Nelson Fernandez
but I wish I saw some of the older tours.
Maybe it was the total lack of DTFTF material that didn't make the
Total Devo tour perfect?
Monica
It IS a Minimoog. Prophets didn't come out until '78, and I have an
early version of Smart Patrol on a vinyl copy of TMWMTM that pre-dates
the Prophet.
Modulation (with a sawtooth wave) and glide play a role in the sound in
question. The Minimoog's glide is really good, and it does have that
"stepping" quality when it's "patched" a certain way. You can do
similar things with envelope generators and *possibly* a cool
sequencer, but glide's the way to go. :)
An Arp 2600, a Prophet V, and MAYBE an Arp Odyssey can come *close* to
it though. You won't be able to get the sound right on a digital synth
no matter how hard you try.
-Monica
In article <8cauit$2p1$1...@fennel.nnrp.netline.net.uk>, dmooney
Bunezuela
Hee hee hee hee
"Guess what - I've got a fever, and the only prescription is more cowbell."
- Bruce Dickinson (Christopher Walken version)
01110011
I think you and your husband are right, it's got to be a Minimoog.
I remember reading an article in Keyboard magazine sometime in the early
'80's that claimed that Jim Mothersbaugh (at Roland) had custom-built a
"Black Box" for Devo whose contents were a secret. The "Box" was supposedly
used on the DNFTF Smart Patrol recording...
Over the years, the Moogs I've owned included a Rogue, a Prodigy, and a
Memorymoog, so I'm pretty familiar with what Moog VCO's sounded like. I
think a lot of the synth tracks on Smart Patrol/MrDNA have to be from a
Moog.
In the TMWMTM video dmooney is correct, MM is playing a Prophet-5. It
doesn't sound the same, though. It sounds similar, but then it's not
impossible to migrate the same idea to another instrument. I'm sure MM used
the Prophet on stage because it was simpler and wouldn't be as likely to
break down on the road.
Mike Weren
mwer...@idt.net
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01110011
I remember reading in an early '80's Keyboard magazine article that Jim
Mothersbaugh had custom-built a "Black Box" for Devo, and that it had been
used in the DNFTF recording of Smart Patrol/Mr. DNA.
I'm assuming that since Jim Mothersbaugh was working for Roland, he would
have used what he had available to him. But the sounds of that 'glide' in
Smart Patrol (which sounds like a Ford car ignition to me) and of MM's solo
in that song, could not possibly have come from a Roland. I don't think
it's a Pro-5, either, although dmooney is correct about MM using it on
stage. I have owned, over the years, a Rogue, a Prodigy, and a Memorymoog,
and those sound like Moog VCO's to me on the album.
I think you're right. It's got to be a Minimoog using a sawtooth. I
disagree, however, that an Arp could have emulated that sound like the Pro-5
did. The tone of Arp's oscillators were way too thin and would have sounded
like a squeak.
Mike Weren, brain-eating ape
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> msh...@aol.comnospam (Mshotz) writes:
> > >'ve been a DEVO fan since "New Traditionalists" and have NEVER had the
> > >chance to see them live.
> >
> > Just to rub it in, I saw the NuTra tour and it rocked!
>
Bunezuela
>
Aragon Brawl Room! LOL
"I gotta have more cowbell!"