David Bowie on Yoko Ono
HEYSS11
and may cause one to form an opinion. A subversive notion if there ever was
one."
David Bowie
This makes me wonder... it would be SO cool if they record something
together...
Heyss
Kathleen
Agreed. I'd buy it in a minute.
Kathleen
SuprMallet
>together...
It would also be SOO bad. I mean, Bowie is golden but Yoko is shit.
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Jaime L Goodrich
great (once you get past the initial shock of her voice) and she really
_does_ get you thinking. If they *ever* worked together, the result would
be very interesting.
--Jaime
On 23 Oct 1998, HEYSS11 wrote:
> "Yoko's work is very dangerous. If one is not careful it could get one thinking
> and may cause one to form an opinion. A subversive notion if there ever was
> one."
> David Bowie
>
> This makes me wonder... it would be SO cool if they record something
> together...
>
>
> Heyss
>
>
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ESolberg1
they did work together...
(on "It's No Game Part 1")
Elvsbwie
>
>they did work together...
>
>(on "It's No Game Part 1")
That's not Yoko Ono, check the linner notes there.
Mikey
HEYSS11
It would also be SOO bad. I mean, Bowie is golden but Yoko is shit.
Yoko Ono is a genius who anticipated the punk and new wave stuff from far.
Bowie is golden, so is Yoko.
Heyss
Adam J. Cook
>
> >This makes me wonder... it would be SO cool if they record something
> >together...
>
No kidding! I can't believe there are Bowie fans who would like to see
him lower himself and work with her.
Adam
Joey Alexis
>great (once you get past the initial shock of her voice) and she really
>_does_ get you thinking. If they *ever* worked together, the result would
>be very interesting.
>
If you have to get past the shock of the singer's voice, what is the point?
Maybe Yoko should be a poet instead.
HEYSS11
If you have to get past the shock of the singer's voice, what is the point?
Maybe Yoko should be a poet instead.
The strangeness of her voice is part of the reason why she is so unique.
She's a vocal poet.
Heyss
HEYSS11
No kidding! I can't believe there are Bowie fans who would like to see
him lower himself and work with her.
Adam
Since he admires her music, I don't how he would lower himself by doing that.
Heyss
SuprMallet
>Bowie is golden, so is Yoko.
>
Yoko Ono is a con-artist. She conned John Lennon into marrying her, and leaving
everything to her, and she conned certain people into thinking her noise is
actually music. Go listen to her on The Rolling Stones Rock And Roll Circus,
screaming is not music, and it's not art!
SuprMallet
>him lower himself and work with her.
There is no one I hate more than Yoko, if Bowie ever lowered himself to working
with her I would stop buying his records from then on.
SuprMallet
>
>(on "It's No Game Part 1")
>
That's not Yoko.
SuprMallet
>
>Maybe Yoko should be a poet instead.
I agree, I hate hearing her whiny, screaming voice, it's hideous. It's like
Medusa's face was so ugly she could turn you to stone, Yoko's voice could do
the same thing!
SuprMallet
>She's a vocal poet.
No, no, no. SCREAMING IS NOT ART! Bob Dylan's voice is unique, Mick Jagger's is
unique, Lou Reed's is unique. Yoko Ono's, Kieth Richards', and those guys from
Oasis voices are just bad! Figure out the difference.
HEYSS11
unique, Lou Reed's is unique. Yoko Ono's, Kieth Richards', and those guys from
Oasis voices are just bad! Figure out the difference.
Yes, yes, yes. Screaming is art. Yoko, Diamanda Galas, Meredith Monk, Nina
Hagen... lots of women know how to scream good. Your speech sounds like this
old people who used to say that rock is not music.
Heyss
djsta...@my-dejanews.com
suprm...@aol.com (SuprMallet) wrote:
> >Yoko Ono is a genius who anticipated the punk and new wave stuff from far.
> >Bowie is golden, so is Yoko.
> >
>
> Yoko Ono is a con-artist. She conned John Lennon into marrying her, and
leaving
> everything to her, and she conned certain people into thinking her noise is
> actually music. Go listen to her on The Rolling Stones Rock And Roll Circus,
> screaming is not music, and it's not art!
Someone really needs to change the name of the subject here... The mental
picture I got when I read that was nauseating... :)
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hey...@aol.com (HEYSS11) wrote:
>
> It would also be SOO bad. I mean, Bowie is golden but Yoko is shit.
>
> Bowie is golden, so is Yoko.
>
>
What does Yoko Ono and a lizard have in common?
They both live offa dead Beetles...
She's simple...
Joey Alexis
>Hagen... lots of women know how to scream good. Your speech sounds like
this
>old people who used to say that rock is not music.
I'll give you that screaming can be art. Art is a variety of mediums.
After all you do have that lunatic that disembowels animals, puts it into
paint and onto canvas and calls that art. I maintain that screaming or
screeching in Yoko's case in not singing.
HEYSS11
cheers
Heyss
ESolberg1
>Medusa's face was so ugly she could turn you to stone, Yoko's voice could do
>the same thing!
so could her face...
djsta...@my-dejanews.com
Boo
<JJ...@prodigy.net> wrote:
Who cares whether you call it singing or not? It is a real and beautiful
expression of emotion. There are few well-known musicians that have been
given as little benefit of the doubt as Yoko Ono. That is, people seem to
have a strong opinion about her based on something other than her music.
Her most rewarding work is, shall we say, difficult in the same way that
Ornette Coleman's music demands a listener's commitment, and sometimes
even concentration (gasp!) Coleman even collaborated with her on one
track, and they play off each other with playful abandon and intensity.
Ono has made a real and lasting contribution to the music you love. She
accepts your apology.
Joey Alexis
couldn't be an artist. I said she wasn't a singer.
Joey Alexis
Boo wrote in message ...
mlin...@my-dejanews.com
Reminds me of an old joke:
Q: What is yellow, ugly, and sleeps alone?
A: Yoko Ono.
MARCU$
HEYSS11
Uh, I think that I said that screaming can be art. I didn't say she
couldn't be an artist. I said she wasn't a singer.
Joey Alexis
Man, she is a singer, because she just screams in 4 or 5 of her 19 albumbs...
the other ones she sings pretty good.
best
Heyss
HEYSS11
A: Yoko Ono.
MAR
she does not sleep alone. she slept for years with one of the most interesting
man ever, john lennon. after he died, she sleeps with samuel havadtoy, her
boyfriend since then.
and she is not ugly/
best
heyss
Adam J. Cook
Heyss, it's okay with us if you want to defend and praise Yoko to the
end of the world, but the woman is ugly, pure and simple. Appearance,
of course, as none of us know her.
Adam
SuprMallet
>old people who used to say that rock is not music.
First of all, I'm 14, so I'm not old. Second of all, I'm sorry if I happen to
have something called taste. To me, screaming is something people do when
frightened or in pain. Screaming isn't fun to listen to, it's not nice on the
eardrums. That's why I think screaming is not art. It's an easy way to say
you're an avant garde artist. Low was avant garde, do you hear any screaming on
that? Genesis is pretty avant garde, no screaming. Screaming is not art, that's
my opinion and I'll give free vent to it any time I want to.
SuprMallet
>accepts your apology.
>
I'll give you that Yoko did have an impression on John Lennon, who's music I
love. But it wasn't her music which affected John, it was her demonic
personality. And screaming does not require commitment, it requires someone who
has no concept of real music. If they had those concepts they would go listen
to real music. And I would rather slice off my penis with a rusty butter knife
before I ever apologized to Yoko Ono.
SuprMallet
>cheers
>
Um, so? Just because this is a Bowie newsgroup doesn't mean that if Bowie likes
something we're all going to. I always have and always will hate Yoko Ono, may
her name be said only with the deepest contempt.
vinylfreak
suppose it is in the eye of the beholder.
japanese women do look quite beautiful to many people bowie seems to
like eastern type women.
as for her singing? walking on thin ice was a brilliant record.
kiss kiss kiss was massive in new wave nightclubs.they liked her
experimental vocals.
danielle dax hasn`t done too badly with her so called screaming.
rather a yoko record than a 911 or similar sugar sweet teen groups.
In article <19981028095731...@ng72.aol.com>, HEYSS11
<hey...@aol.com> writes
>Q: What is yellow, ugly, and sleeps alone?
>A: Yoko Ono.
>
>MAR
>
>she does not sleep alone. she slept for years with one of the most interesting
>man ever, john lennon. after he died, she sleeps with samuel havadtoy, her
>boyfriend since then.
>and she is not ugly/
>
>best
>heyss
--
vinylfreak
HEYSS11
Heyss, it's okay with us if you want to defend and praise Yoko to the
end of the world, but the woman is ugly, pure and simple. Appearance,
of course, as none of us know her.
i don't think she's pretty, but i don't think she's ugly neither.
heyss
HEYSS11
this is about mentality, not about age. i know some old people who has a young
mind, younger than somebody who is... 14, for example! :)
Second of all, I'm sorry if I happen to
have something called taste.
this is very relative and personal, such a thing just does not exist in common
sense.
To me, screaming is something people do when
frightened or in pain. Screaming isn't fun to listen to, it's not nice on the
eardrums. That's why I think screaming is not art.
it's your opinion and i respect, but still i think everything can be art, any
noise can be music, dependes on the context.
It's an easy way to say
you're an avant garde artist. Low was avant garde, do you hear any screaming on
that? Genesis is pretty avant garde, no screaming
genesis is not avant gard.
. Screaming is not art, that's
my opinion and I'll give free vent to it any time I want to.
yes sir
heyss
MadameKook
i LIKE, LOVE yoko ono! she sent me a cd last year @ christmas time,
wasn't that NICE of her??
Love
Madame Kook aka GrviGirli
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Adam J. Cook
> It's an easy way to say
> you're an avant garde artist. Low was avant garde, do you hear any screaming on
> that? Genesis is pretty avant garde, no screaming
>
> genesis is not avant gard.
I assume he meant Gabriel era Genesis, and the very early work when
Collins was the frontman. In that case, I would agree with him.
Adam
Andrew Stewart
> And I would rather slice off my penis with a rusty butter knife
>before I ever apologized to Yoko Ono.
Sounds like the kind of performance art Bowie was inpired by on
Outside.
But would it still be art if you screamed while doing it? After all,
you keep telling us screaming isn't art ;-)
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>Outside.
>
>But would it still be art if you screamed while doing it? After all,
>you keep telling us screaming isn't art ;-)
lol, that's sick, but funny.
Bradley Kaplan
Kathleen wrote:
> HEYSS11 wrote:
> >
> > "Yoko's work is very dangerous. If one is not careful it could get one thinking
> > and may cause one to form an opinion. A subversive notion if there ever was
> > one."
> > David Bowie
> >
> > This makes me wonder... it would be SO cool if they record something
> > together...
> >
> > Heyss
>
> Agreed. I'd buy it in a minute.
> Kathleen
When did he say that? Because in the 70s I don't think he would have wanted to
piss of John Lennon.
Her works sucks. It sounds like a yodiling old lady. Double Fantasies is a great
album. The roecord sucked. The CD is great. You program your CD player to play all
the Lennon songs and avoid the Yoko garbage.
SuprMallet
>album. The roecord sucked. The CD is great. You program your CD player to
>play all
>the Lennon songs and avoid the Yoko garbage.
Actually, if you can find a copy of The John Lennon Collection, it has all of
John's songs from the album, and you don't have to program the Yoko crap aside,
plus you get other wonderful Lennon songs.
SuprMallet
>>before I ever apologized to Yoko Ono.
>
>Outside.
>
>But would it still be art if you screamed while doing it? After all,
>you keep telling us screaming isn't art ;-)
>
I didn't say it was art. I would call it a "sacrifice for REAL art"
SuprMallet
>Collins was the frontman. In that case, I would agree with him.
>
>Adam
>
That is exactly what I meant. From Foxtrot to Wind and Wuthering (can't
remember if that's the exact name of the album).
IDerby
melody, with Brian Eno! Yoko can't. And Yoko ain't free jazz either. She
isn't art!
Adam J. Cook
>
> >I assume he meant Gabriel era Genesis, and the very early work when
> >Collins was the frontman. In that case, I would agree with him.
> >
> >Adam
> >
>
> That is exactly what I meant. From Foxtrot to Wind and Wuthering (can't
> remember if that's the exact name of the album).
Actually, "Trick of the Tail", the first without Peter Gabriel, was
still pretty "avante garde".
Adam
dar...@iol.ie
Bradley Kaplan <bka...@mail.idt.net> wrote:
>
>
> Kathleen wrote:
>
> > HEYSS11 wrote:
> > >
> > > "Yoko's work is very dangerous. If one is not careful it could get one
thinking
> > > and may cause one to form an opinion. A subversive notion if there ever
was
> > > one."
> > > David Bowie
> > >
> > > This makes me wonder... it would be SO cool if they record something
> > > together...
> > >
> > > Heyss
> >
> > Agreed. I'd buy it in a minute.
> > Kathleen
>
> When did he say that? Because in the 70s I don't think he would have wanted
to
> piss of John Lennon.
I don't know when the quote is from exactly, but I suspect it's pretty
recent. Yoko Ono is one of Bowie's few close friends in the music business
(she was one of only a handful of music business figures who attended his
wedding to Iman), and it seems the friendship really blossomed after Lennon's
assassination, when Bowie started visiting her to console her. Sean Lennon
also went to school in Switzerland near Bowie's house and spent weekends at
the Bowie place, which is why he refers to Bowie as his surrogate uncle
sometimes in interviews.
Slan leat,
Dara (np: THE DARK SIDE OF DAVID BOWIE)
SuprMallet
>still pretty "avante garde".
>
>Adam
Well, Wind and Wuthering came after Gabriel, didn't it?
HEYSS11
If Bowie praised Yoko, that's great. At least Bowie could write a song with
melody, with Brian Eno! Yoko can't. And Yoko ain't free jazz either. She
isn't art!
this is bullshit. you should listen her albums before saying that, which is not
true.
best
heyss
Elvsbwie
I have no fucking clue what Yoko's solo stuff sounds like but I would be at
least interested to her a Bowie colaboration with her. Who knows where it could
lead?
Mikey
Andrew Stewart
>>I assume he meant Gabriel era Genesis, and the very early work when
>>Collins was the frontman. In that case, I would agree with him.
>>
>>Adam
>>
>
>That is exactly what I meant. From Foxtrot to Wind and Wuthering (can't
>remember if that's the exact name of the album).
I wouldn't call any of it avant garde. There's a difference between
avant garde and progressive.
(np: Lou Reed - Transformer)
SuprMallet
>melody, with Brian Eno! Yoko can't. And Yoko ain't free jazz either. She
>isn't art!
>
>
>this is bullshit. you should listen her albums before saying that, which is
>not
>true.
>
>heyss
I have listened to some of Yoko's albums, and she is crap! Not free jazz, not
art!
Adam J. Cook
>
> >Actually, "Trick of the Tail", the first without Peter Gabriel, was
> >still pretty "avante garde".
> >
> >Adam
>
> Well, Wind and Wuthering came after Gabriel, didn't it?
I don't think so, but I'm not sure. I do know "Trick of the Tail" was
the first album without Peter Gabriel(Steve Hackett was still there,
though), and I suppose "Wind and Wuthering" could have been next. But I
don't think so. I've listened to both of those and WAW sounds much
earlier. Almost like the Syd Barret era Floyd. I think the next album
after "Trick of the Tail" was "Duke", and that is the album where
Genesis' sound really changed to the pop oriented radio friendly type.
Adam
Kathleen
Music-wise, it's kind of embarrassing as to where Phil Collins stands
now compared to Peter Gabriel. Gabriel is a genius, and Collins is a
soft-sell contemporary top-40 creep now with no talent what-so-ever.
And I hate to say it (because I know Adam is a fan), but Phil Collins is
on-par with Sting and Rod Stewart. Mushy top-40 sell outs. All grown
up and making millions, but no rock n' roll bones in them at all
anymore.
Kathleen
Adam J. Cook
> Music-wise, it's kind of embarrassing as to where Phil Collins stands
> now compared to Peter Gabriel. Gabriel is a genius, and Collins is a
> soft-sell contemporary top-40 creep now with no talent what-so-ever.
>
> And I hate to say it (because I know Adam is a fan), but Phil Collins is
> on-par with Sting and Rod Stewart. Mushy top-40 sell outs. All grown
> up and making millions, but no rock n' roll bones in them at all
> anymore.
> Kathleen
Ha! Tactfully put Kathleen. I like Sting, when I'm in the mood for
pop. I won't try to convince anyone he's "avant garde"(that seems to be
this newsgroups favorite cliche right now), but I do enjoy his voice and
his lyrics. Phil Collins is talented as a pop artist, but I don't think
he should even be compared to Peter Gabriel. Peter Gabriel obviously
likes making a vastly different style of music than Phil Collins.
Adam
HEYSS11
art!
It seems that you know a lot about free jazz. Well, Ornete Coleman, who created
himself free jazz, used to jam with Yoko, and considers her work pretty good.
best
heyss
Elvsbwie
>pop. I won't try to convince anyone he's "avant garde"(that seems to be
>this newsgroups favorite cliche right now), but I do enjoy his voice and
Sting single handedly destroyed his credibility by singing that horrible song
with Puff Daddy. I'll never look at him the same again. I'm so happy I can't
stop cryin'.
Mikey
Era Of Tin
are hard on her because she did break the Beatles up. About her music, it was
VERY ahead of it's time, I personally wouldn't buy any of her cd's, but if you
like someone like Bjork, you should give Yoko the credit as an influence.
HEYSS11
<That is a SANE point of view on Yoko. Nobody must love her music to assume
that. I don't like Elvis Prsley, but I do not doubt his inffluence and
importance, I just don't fancy the style. I do love Bjork, Nina Hagen, B-52's,
Diamanda Galas, Meredith Monk, Hole, and Yoko had influenced all these guys.>
best
Heyss
SuprMallet
>are hard on her because she did break the Beatles up. About her music, it
>was
>VERY ahead of it's time, I personally wouldn't buy any of her cd's, but if
>you
>like someone like Bjork, you should give Yoko the credit as an influence.
I have a personal vendetta against Yoko cuz she broke up The Beatles, but one
day I decided I was being too hard on her music because of her actions and sat
down and listened to some of her albums. Needless to say, they were terrible
pieces of crap and I have never heard anything worse.
Stefan
Stefan
Elvsbwie
>people
>>>are hard on her because she did break the Beatles up. About her music, it
Yoko didn't break up the Beatles, huge egos did.
Mikey
HEYSS11
<I don't think she did either, but if she did, would be a favor, so the Beatles
could remain as big as the were, not geriatric-pathetic stuff as the Rolling
Stones of nowadays.
Yoko is a pionner.>
best
Heyss
djsta...@my-dejanews.com
HEYSS11
Can't we just give this topic a rest now?????
why?
SuprMallet
>
>why?
>
>
Even I have gotten sick of this argument, and I'm one of the biggest debators
on the subject around on the NG!