sorrow...who did the cello or violin intro?
timr
Merry xmas & a happy ny to ya!
Merci.
doS
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William Innes
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> it was a synth
I've often wondered about this also. For a synth, it certainly sounds as
though it's the real thing.
I'm just curious where you got this information....every website and even
Nicholas Pegg's definitive book lists the personnel for PINUPS
as being:
a.. David Bowie - vocals, guitar, sax
b.. Mick Ronson - guitar, piano, vocals
c.. Trevor Bolder - bass
d.. Aynsley Dunbar - drums
e.. Mike Garson - piano
f.. Ken Fordham - sax
g.. G.A. MacCormack - backing vocals
So, there's no mention of an actual stringed instrument or a synthesizer...
Thomas H. Ravn
David Bowie (vocal, alto & tenor saxophones, harmonica, moog synthesizer)
Mick Ronson (guitar, piano, backing vocal)
Mike Garson (grand piano, electric piano, organ, harpsichord)
Trevor Bolder (bass)
Ansley Dunbar (drums)
Ken Fordham (baritone sax)
Mac Cormak (backing vocals)
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Frank
about the use of electronic instruments in 70s and 80s
popular music, he might know some details. he´s a
distant cousin of sean connery by the way.
today he wrote to me, regarding this very question:
dear frank
as pinups was recorded in 1973, this doesn´t sound like
any of the synths that were in use at that time. or at least
synths were not commonly used to reproduce violin - or
more precisely: viola/cello - sounds like this one.
and it surely does not sound like a real instrument too,
looking at the waveform this can be assured. the regula-
rity of the vibrato hints quite obviously to a man made
machine rather than man himself.
wasn´t bowie influenced by the possibilities of the mello-
tron (later: chamberlain / novatron) ever since wakeman
played it on space oddity? wasn´t the mellotron capable
of reproducing real instrument sounds, like brass, flute
and strings?
good idea, but none of the lists compiled by fellow scien-
tists andy thompson and dave kean mention it:
http://www.planetmellotron.com/revb5.htm
http://www.planetmellotron.com/singles.htm
http://www.mellotron.com/mellolis.htm
and the sound characteristics of the mellotron, the flaws
and artifacts of it´s tape operation are not to be heard on
this intro.
still, some doubt remains. as he used the mellotron on the
adjacent aladdin sane, diamond dogs, david live and
station to station albums, could it be this instrument was
ever used on pinups? a momentary lapse of mellotron in
bowies 70s recording history?
but still the vibrato of those few low notes remind me of
something else. could be it was one of the string ensemble
keyboards bands used to enlarge their sound with apart
from the common e-pianos and organs. this "fillings" were
rarely ever quoted in the album credits, as often the bands
keyboarder, the piano player or the sound engineer him-
self was asked to "thicken that part up a bit". or to provide
some intro, outro or a little playful thing when the guitar
solo was running dry.
and those keyboards were widely avaiable at studios
around this time. like the solina string ensemble, released
a year later:
http://www.retrosound.de/Solina.html
yours
dr. geoffrey klugenberg
Thomas H. Ravn
"Frank" <xtc3...@gmx.net> skrev i en meddelelse
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> why not ask dr. klugenberger? currently writing essays
> about the use of electronic instruments in 70s and 80s
> popular music, he might know some details. he愀 a
> distant cousin of sean connery by the way.
>
> today he wrote to me, regarding this very question:
>
>
> dear frank
>
> as pinups was recorded in 1973, this doesn愒 sound like
> any of the synths that were in use at that time. or at least
> synths were not commonly used to reproduce violin - or
> more precisely: viola/cello - sounds like this one.
>
> and it surely does not sound like a real instrument too,
> looking at the waveform this can be assured. the regula-
> rity of the vibrato hints quite obviously to a man made
> machine rather than man himself.
>
> wasn愒 bowie influenced by the possibilities of the mello-
> tron (later: chamberlain / novatron) ever since wakeman
> played it on space oddity? wasn愒 the mellotron capable
> of reproducing real instrument sounds, like brass, flute
> and strings?
>
> good idea, but none of the lists compiled by fellow scien-
> tists andy thompson and dave kean mention it:
>
> http://www.planetmellotron.com/revb5.htm
> http://www.planetmellotron.com/singles.htm
> http://www.mellotron.com/mellolis.htm
>
> and the sound characteristics of the mellotron, the flaws
> and artifacts of it愀 tape operation are not to be heard on
doS
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Frank
sometimes a bit strange:
so frank,
to sum it up: it´s not a synth nor a real instrument, it
could be a mellotron - but that´s rather unlikely - so
our best guess it´s a string ensemble keyboard.
doS
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doS
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William Innes
> Bassman says
> David Bowie (vocal, alto & tenor saxophones, harmonica, moog synthesizer)
> Mick Ronson (guitar, piano, backing vocal)
> Mike Garson (grand piano, electric piano, organ, harpsichord)
> Trevor Bolder (bass)
> Ansley Dunbar (drums)
> Ken Fordham (baritone sax)
> Mac Cormak (backing vocals)
Another case solved, Sherlock...thanks!
That is one sight I failed to search...
William Innes
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> fans know he played a moog on everything....
But I've got everything he's ever recorded...
I've seen him more times than I can remember in concert...
I've got a ton of books about him...
I've written many tomes about him...
And, yet, still I'm not a fan??
Okay, I can live with that...
But can I still be considered one who greatly appreciated the man's work???
Or must I take leave of this place with me tail between my legs?
<sniff> please let me stay, guys...I promise I'll never doubt you again...
Frank
a mini moog or one of the modular ones avaiable around
that time, i´ll owe you a serious amount of pints.
bye
frank
Frank
do everything with and smell it愀 unique sound charac-
teristics (24db lowpass filter) from a mile. this cello
line was not done with a moog synth - fact.
bye
frank
doS
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doS
LOL
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Frank
synth.
having a 12 db one was common one before
moog zoomed in with the 24 db cascaded one.
if you take a 24 db variable one (low-, high-
or bandwithpass), you could emulate a 15 db
highpass sound nevertheless. but i guess it
would sound shite. ;-)
bye
frank
William Innes
> no moog, as in 'i am in a bad moog today"...goog huh?
>
> LOL
Nah, I'm in a good moog.
I'm free from the hospital after a 33 day (and a surgery that was painful as
hell).
I made it out on time to enjoy Christmas with family & friends.
I feel tons better now..even with the pain where they sliced & diced...and
even the smallest
venture of going to a store, eating out at a restaurant, playing a favorite
album or just walking down
a quiet or busy street has suddenly taken on a magical quality.
However, if I was made a leper from this newsgroup...well, my moog my sink a
bit <g>.
William Innes
> if you recreate that sound on a moog synthesizer, means
> a mini moog or one of the modular ones avaiable around
> that time, i´ll owe you a serious amount of pints.
>
Are you saying that the cello was the real deal, Frank??
To my ears it sounds as though it was...but I confess I don't know enough
about
synthesizers to know how well they can or cannot replicate the sound of an
actual instrument....
Also, hadn't Bowie...even in his leaner years...used a full-orchestra (I'm
thinking of some
cuts from SPACE ODDITY off the top of my head).
At this point in his career, when I'd think he'd be allotted more $$$ to
spend in the studio, that
he would have used the real thing....
Thomas H. Ravn
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William Innes
> Best wishes for a speedy recovery!
Many thanks! Much appreciated!
doS
knowledgeable.
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William Innes
>I wish you well, I didnt mean to imply that you werent a fan or
>knowledgeable.
>
For real, I took it with the good humor in which it was intended.