IBM wins UFO contract
AlexD
identify objects being tracked by its telescopes."
http://thebusiness.vnunet.com/news/1114429
Thank god they're not using Microsoft ...
AlexD
A. Melon
Heh, look at the spec :
".....powered by 320 copper-based Power3 II microprocessor. The system also
features 224Gb of memory and 2.9Tb of hard disk space."
I take that it means 320 x IBM POWER3-II microprocessors.... my oh my.
From the IBM website: "Microprocessors built with copper provide superior
performance to those that contain traditional aluminum because copper is a
better electrical conductor than aluminum.".... cool... why don't they make
gold ones ?.... I wouldn't of thought price was a factor in projects like
these. Superconductors, superconductors, Lord, mankind needs a
superconductor.
Anyway I guess that the SP wouldn't have much trouble running a Z80
emulator game.
I wonder how long it will be (if they are still going ahead with the
project) before we see IBM's 1 million x processor "Blue Gene" super
computer, which is they suggested would be 1000 times more powerful than
"Deep Blue"..... I love these names btw.
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Dav1936531
<28190d6501ee0d08...@melontraffickers.com>
>
>From the IBM website: "Microprocessors built with copper provide superior
performance to those that contain traditional aluminum because copper is a
better electrical conductor than aluminum.".... cool... why don't they make
gold ones ?.... I wouldn't of thought price was a factor in projects like
these.<
It may be that the very inertness of gold makes it unsuitable for whatever
deposition technologies are utilized in the conductor etchings during the
chip's production or it may be that the large size of gold atoms renders gold
unsuitable as a conductor in the .18 micron conductor etching size found in the
latest chips. Not an expert here on the actual reasons for utilizing copper
instead of gold, but the cost surely is not a factor, as only very minute
quanities of whatever the chosen metal are actually used in the chips.
Dave
Goldenpi
Parallel processing...Now theres an idea. I wonder if z80s will do parallel.
"A. Melon" <ju...@melontraffickers.com> wrote in message
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> Do Microsoft develop computers AlexD ?
>
> Heh, look at the spec :
> ".....powered by 320 copper-based Power3 II microprocessor. The system
also
> features 224Gb of memory and 2.9Tb of hard disk space."
>
> I take that it means 320 x IBM POWER3-II microprocessors.... my oh my.
> From the IBM website: "Microprocessors built with copper provide superior
> performance to those that contain traditional aluminum because copper is a
> better electrical conductor than aluminum.".... cool... why don't they
make
> gold ones ?.... I wouldn't of thought price was a factor in projects like
Goldenpi
have the perioditic table pined up.
"A. Melon" <ju...@melontraffickers.com> wrote in message
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> Just about to sleep (5.04am) so I'm not about to look up the answer to
this
> Q myself.
> What size are copper atoms compared to gold atoms anyway?
> Your inertness of gold in the etching process maybe the answer though.....
> hmmm.
>
>
> <><sf
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the Pull
through this whole issue. I don't remember why Gold was left
out. I do recall, I *think* that the latest chip's ARE copper
("coppermine", anyone) and ARE .18 micron. Almost positive on that.
One thing we can start doing is to make more SMP compliant
systems... perhaps, several chips on a - chip - and, of course,
128 bit or higher. We need to redesign the entire Intel
architechture.
A. Melon wrote:
> On 24 Nov 2000, dav19...@aol.com (Dav1936531) wrote:
>
Goldenpi
definatly not copper. They are named after a town somewhere.
Actually, there is already the design for several chips in a chip. The
problem is where to put the liquid nitrogen to put them in. If one pentium
III needs 2 fans and a heatsink to keep cool just think what 8 of them will
do.
I have heard about a multichip 1ghz desktop which needs a seperate cooling
system. Might be just a rumour through.
Redesigning the architecture is a good idea but think how much software and
hardware will not run. The way forward is parallel processing. Nothing will
beat a machine with 8 processors even if they are only 200MHz. Run them all
together and you have speed more like a 1GHz.
Also cooling must be sorted. Replaceing all copper conductors with gold will
reduce heat but is expensive. If manufactures would stop their competition
for nice looking cases and make some designed for cooling it would solve the
problem. This case next to me is very small and cramped inside and has only
2 fan slots for air to move. It is so cramped inside the drive bays can be
pulled out from the front just so the ide connectors can be reached. The
internal temperature is unknown: Either there is no sensor or the bios will
not support it.
"the Pull" <jkh...@jhjhk.com> wrote in message
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> I forget as much as I read maybe, but I recall Maximum PC going
> through this whole issue. I don't remember why Gold was left
> out. I do recall, I *think* that the latest chip's ARE copper
> ("coppermine", anyone) and ARE .18 micron. Almost positive on that.
>
> One thing we can start doing is to make more SMP compliant
> systems... perhaps, several chips on a - chip - and, of course,
> 128 bit or higher. We need to redesign the entire Intel
> architechture.
>
>
> A. Melon wrote:
>
> > On 24 Nov 2000, dav19...@aol.com (Dav1936531) wrote:
> >
S G Hooper
"Goldenpi" <gold...@crosswinds.net> wrote in message
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: I read in a magazine that coppermine chips are not copper. They are very
: > >
: > >>> From: "A. Melon" ju...@melontraffickers.com
: > >
: > >
: > > Just about to sleep (5.04am) so I'm not about to look up the answer to
: > >
: >
:
:
A. Melon
>I read in a magazine that coppermine chips are not copper. They are very
>definatly not copper. They are named after a town somewhere.
The IBM says they are copper..... the qoute from their research website is
in this thread.
>
>Actually, there is already the design for several chips in a chip. The
>problem is where to put the liquid nitrogen to put them in. If one pentium
>III needs 2 fans and a heatsink to keep cool just think what 8 of them will
>do.
When I worked for a company that was a contrator for the MOD we made EWC's
(Electronic Warfare Cabinets) as part of a system for installation onboard
ship.These EWCs were densely populated with PCB's and contained about 12
PSU's for each of the racks. The method of cooling these cabinets was
"cool".... each ECB had a "cold wall" to which the PCB and PSU's were
bolted to. The cold wall was a nickel alloy hollow block and acted like a
heatsink. At the bottom of the ECB was a pump unit, a radiator and a pair
of electric fans.. A coolant was pumped through the cold wall, pump and
rad. The fans forced cool air through the Rad and thus heat was disappated
into the ships bad air extraction system.
This worked a bit like a automotive cooling system. If one was to
minaturise this into a non-maintance sealed system....... with a "cold
wall" being 2inch sq (or bigger for more processors) CPU'S could then be
clamped up against the coldwall.......or rather the coldwall clamped up
against the cpu...... Heh, something for you to build and tryout Goldenpi.
I'm pretty sure even a makeshift prototype would work...... as long as it
didn't leak :)
<>sf
6IT
They have active coolers too. They use pelters to chill the CPU.
http://www.swiftnets.com
-6IT
"A. Melon" <ju...@melontraffickers.com> wrote in message
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the Pull
the Pull
Goldenpi wrote:
>
> I read in a magazine that coppermine chips are not copper. They are very
> definatly not copper. They are named after a town somewhere.
Maybe... I just came from a brutal job where I had to research specs,
and very often Intel... and I know where their specs for their chips are
but I refuse to budge for a look.
However, I did do a quick query on maximumpc, because it was there last
year I read an excellant article detailing the current tech of the chips
(which including these chips now out).
http://www.maximumpc.com/content/2000/11/07/12167
That wasn't the article but says the chips now are .18 and may be going
.13. It should be duly noted that Intel has recently failed - having to
RECALL - their 1.3 chips. So, AMD is currently the MHz champion.
> Actually, there is already the design for several chips in a chip. The
> problem is where to put the liquid nitrogen to put them in. If one pentium
> III needs 2 fans and a heatsink to keep cool just think what 8 of them will
> do.
There was a very famous article on how to cool your board using
vegetable oil and for a case a stryofoam cooler I read about awhile ago.
(And, has spurned not a few geek conversations since then, surely at
least one on this list).
Not that this should be compared to utilizing liquid Nitrogen...
But, shit, that stuff can be pretty unstable in the wrong circumstances.
But, very good point, as always.
Kryotech, as one guy mentioned...
But, more importantly, I think is the general concept being sold and
utilized. The concept of single processor systems, standalone... being
something antiquated.
Distributed processing, be that through SMP or be that through
clustering... is ultimately the way of the future. In some ways,
everyone is already beginning to reap the powers of this potentiality
through advanced processors on audio cards and video cards... it is but
a tiny step to have more processor cards...
Already they have SYSTEMS on a chip, no shit... much less, systems on a
board - an old thing - you can get the real deal for cheap...
> I have heard about a multichip 1ghz desktop which needs a seperate cooling
> system. Might be just a rumour through.
>
> Redesigning the architecture is a good idea but think how much software and
> hardware will not run.
Reminds me of Soul of A New Machine (which I was reminded of by a Wired
article recently, read that last some fifteen (?) years ago... shit,
wow).
Backward compatibilty, yeah.
The way forward is parallel processing. Nothing will
> beat a machine with 8 processors even if they are only 200MHz. Run them all
> together and you have speed more like a 1GHz.
Yep, exactly. I am preaching to the converted. :)
> Also cooling must be sorted. Replaceing all copper conductors with gold will
> reduce heat but is expensive. If manufactures would stop their competition
> for nice looking cases and make some designed for cooling it would solve the
> problem. This case next to me is very small and cramped inside and has only
> 2 fan slots for air to move. It is so cramped inside the drive bays can be
> pulled out from the front just so the ide connectors can be reached. The
> internal temperature is unknown: Either there is no sensor or the bios will
> not support it.
lol, yeah, know that. Recent upgrades have been deadly because of the
arm twisting and evil methods of contortion to merely connect one wire
in this tiny case of mine.
>
> "the Pull" <jkh...@jhjhk.com> wrote in message
> news:3A20389E...@jhjhk.com...
> > I forget as much as I read maybe, but I recall Maximum PC going
> > through this whole issue. I don't remember why Gold was left
> > out. I do recall, I *think* that the latest chip's ARE copper
> > ("coppermine", anyone) and ARE .18 micron. Almost positive on that.
> >
> > One thing we can start doing is to make more SMP compliant
> > systems... perhaps, several chips on a - chip - and, of course,
> > 128 bit or higher. We need to redesign the entire Intel
> > architechture.
> >
> >
> > A. Melon wrote:
> >
> > > On 24 Nov 2000, dav19...@aol.com (Dav1936531) wrote:
> > >