items listed on ebay
Frank Simmons
>All items offered on ebay listed as being presented by
>vicky...@aol.com or christy...@aol.com are truly offered by the ladies
themselves.
>
>The script presented for each item is written by them. There is no
>ghost writer or lister.
>
>The content of the description, and the condition of the item is
>presented as the ladies deem fit.
>
>As in any transaction, on or off-line, reasonable thought should be
>given before bidding. As presented in an earlier post:
>
> A) Ask questions to clarify. Although a rapid response isn't always
>possible as the ladies don't review daily
> B) Research the story
> C) Consider the presenter
> D) Accept the item as presented and bid what you think it is worth
Look, I've always been a big supporter of the ladies - but obviously you are
refusing to answer a direct question.
From this I don't see how anyone can conclude anything except that the ladies
are false advertising some items on Ebay - that what they say in the
description may or may not be true. Sure, they might correct it if asked, but
the buyer has no reason to think that the descriptions have anything but the
total truth in them.
Perhaps this is why they were banned from Ebay not too long ago?
Unless a direct denial is made, I'll own up to being serverely disappointed.
Frank
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Le Grande Raoul
<fir...@bright.net> wrote:
> All items offered on ebay listed as being presented by vicky...@aol.com or
> christy...@aol.com are truly offered by the ladies themselves.
>
> The script presented for each item is written by them. There is no ghost
> writer or lister.
>
> The content of the description, and the condition of the item is presented as
> the ladies deem fit.
>
> As in any transaction, on or off-line, reasonable thought should be given
> before bidding. As presented in an earlier post:
>
> A) Ask questions to clarify. Although a rapid response isn't always
> possible as the ladies don't review daily
> B) Research the story
> C) Consider the presenter
> D) Accept the item as presented and bid what you think it is worth
Once again, you are dodging the question.
There is a question *right on the table* regarding the veracity of one
of the auctions. You post Ebay information on this group and you, too,
are responsible for the content of the auctions, You may say, "But I'm
just doing it as a favor" but, in the eyes of the law and, frankly,
this newsgroup, you are their agent- ask your lawyer. The girls could
post the information themselves- they ain't dumb.
Do you and the girls *really* think that all us 'slavering fan boys'
out here will automatically buy anything that they throw up on Ebay and
automatically believe what they say about it? Your continuing to dodge
this question seems to suggest that is true. Your integrity and the
integrity of the girls is the only thing that you have supporting the
descriptions in the sales. You ask me to "consider the presenter'.
What am I to conclude when the agent of Vicky Paris and Christy Canyon
will not answer a reasonable question raised about one of the auctions?
So, I ask you the question again:
"Did or did not Vicky offer for sale an award she did not and could not
win as alledged by MArk Kernes of AVN? Yes or no? If necessary, expalin
your answer.'
raoul
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In article <kwKP9.4306$37.4...@cletus.bright.net>, Daedalus
<fir...@bright.net> wrote:
> FIRST:
> I am not an agent of anyone. I am a friend of two very beautiful ladies. I
> get no compensation for any of my postings to this or any newsgroup. There
> is no legal obligation on me.
I think a court of law would differ with you. In this group,
alt.fan.fan.victoria-paris, the majority of the posts are from *you*,
hawking their wares from Ebay. Neither Victoria Paris nor Christy
Canyon are stupid people who can't post there own notices. Therefore,
it can only be concluded that you are their agent. Period. Again, ask a
lawyer.
the rest of your post it is just rehashing of other information you
have already posted. Rather than rebut tpoint by point, I'm going to
put your reply at the end of this post so those who did not see the
original may read it..
And you *still* haven't answered the question:
Did Victoria Paris try to sell an award she did not earn and could not
have earned as detailed by Mark Kernes, the editor of the magazine
which presented the award. Yes or no?
The terms and conditions of sales on Ebay are *absolutely not germain*
to this situation. The fact that someone bid on and won the auction is
*absolutely not germain* to this situation. The fact that you have no
input into the sales is *absolutely not germain* to this situation. The
fact that no one forces people to bit on Ebay items is *absolutely not
germain*. P.T. Barnum said, "A sucker is born every minute", too.
If you are truly a friend of these women and are looking out for their
best interests as a friend should, you will find out what the real
situation is and not just dodge the situation. As it looks now,
Victoria Paris is coming off looking like a cheat and your waffling is
of no help to dispel that impression. Is that the impression you wish
to leave this fan group of your friend? If you are the friend you say
you are, you can ask and find out and act accordingly.
It's your choice.
raoul
crossposted to alt.fan.christy-canyon
>
> SECOND:
> I have no knowledge of what is being posted, when it will be posted, or the
> story behind it. And I don't ask them the facts of the stories, that is
> between the ladies and the bidders
>
> THIRD:
> My posting of ebay items is only direct copies of the listings on ebay. I
> neither edit nor comment on the item(s).
>
> FOURTH:
> No one forces anyone to bid on items on ebay or at any other auction site.
>
> FIFTH:
> Ebay allows the ability to ask the seller questions about the item(s)
> listed. They also allow bids to be retracted.
>
> SIXTH:
> The ladies have been suspended from ebay twice. Both instances were for
> offering items that are on ebays forbidden list. Specifically lingerie and
> other items that ebay determined to be objectionable.
>
> FINALLY:
> The auction that raised this issue has been concluded and a winning bid
> honored. If anyone no longer wishes to bid on auctions presented then so be
> it. The ladies will still offer items for sale and they will still receive
> bids and they will still send the items to the winning bidders, upon
> payment.
>
> "Le Grande Raoul" <ra...@olympus.net> wrote in message
> news:rame.1041174002p23738@linux...
Le Grande Raoul
I have been threatened with a suit of libel and slander for asking the
following question:
> Did Victoria Paris try to sell an award she did not earn and could not
> have earned as detailed by Mark Kernes, the editor of the magazine
> which presented the award. Yes or no?
Please note that, in this posting, I have avoid any names of specific
partiy or parties who have threatened me with aformentioned suit. In
addition, a party or parties have obtained my home address and personal
information and informed me of that action by sending a copy of it to
me. May the reader make what he wishes of these things.
On this sad note, I withdraw from this discussion. Not becaue of the
threat but because it no longer is worth my time.
Is anyone willing to stand up for a woman's honor?
raoul
Cinsear
them to bring it on (law suit that is )
Daedalus
I am not an agent of anyone. I am a friend of two very beautiful ladies. I
get no compensation for any of my postings to this or any newsgroup. There
is no legal obligation on me.
SECOND:
I have no knowledge of what is being posted, when it will be posted, or the
story behind it. And I don't ask them the facts of the stories, that is
between the ladies and the bidders
THIRD:
My posting of ebay items is only direct copies of the listings on ebay. I
neither edit nor comment on the item(s).
FOURTH:
No one forces anyone to bid on items on ebay or at any other auction site.
FIFTH:
Ebay allows the ability to ask the seller questions about the item(s)
listed. They also allow bids to be retracted.
SIXTH:
The ladies have been suspended from ebay twice. Both instances were for
offering items that are on ebays forbidden list. Specifically lingerie and
other items that ebay determined to be objectionable.
FINALLY:
The auction that raised this issue has been concluded and a winning bid
honored. Ianyone no longer wishes to bid on auctions presented then so be
it. The ladies will still offer items for sale and they will still recive
bids and they will still send the items to the winning bidders, upon
payment.
"Le Grande Raoul" <ra...@olympus.net> wrote in message
news:rame.1041174002p23738@linux...
Bullheaded
Victoria Paris has acknowledged that the Ebay item she recently
auctioned the AVN award as well as the Ebay auction by Christy Canyon
were in error. She has promised to cancel the sale and also they would
make good on the earlier sale of the Christy Canyon award. There will
always be apologists like Daedalus. The ironic thing for me is that
these two women have been very open with their fans, and many of their
fans attended the CES show last year. In some of the earlier postings
there are links to pictures and an itinerary from the show. They went
for a two day signing. You would think that a true fan would have
questioned Victoria and told her that what she is putting up for sale
in a public forum is not legitimate. At what point did Victoria say
"please excuse me for a few hours while a change into a contour dress
and go pick up some awards that have been piling up since I retired"?
The Christy Canyon AVN award given to her allegedly for a scene in a
six year old movie sold for $800, and Victoria Paris alleged award for
a ten year old movie closed at over $400 after several higher bidders
withdrew when informed by AVN.
After this fiasco, it wasn't difficult to look through the newsgroups
and see that both Victoria and Christy sold awards previously. You
have to wonder how much good money people have paid for these items
that are worthless. If the items for sale on Ebay are not what is
represented it is fraud. Period. It makes it more irritating that the
item description included a detailed "story" about an acceptance
speech, etc. It also makes you wonder about the value they place on
the awards, unless they are never really selling the true awards they
won. Many fans look forward to purchasing previously owned items from
their favorites, no matter how commonplace it might be. It seems a
shame to damage your name and a reputation that was very atypically
solid for this industry and down to earth to try to get a few extra
bucks.
Daedalus has no responsibility if he copies an Ebay description to
another web site. However if he is friend or fan of these two he would
be aware of what awards they won and should point out that what they
are doing is wrong. Unless he agrees with the whole idea of ripping
off the public.
Le Grande Raoul <ra...@olympus.net> wrote in message news:<rame.1041174002p23738@linux>...
Le Grande Raoul
<bullhe...@aol.com> wrote:
> Raoul,
>
> Victoria Paris has acknowledged that the Ebay item she recently
> auctioned the AVN award as well as the Ebay auction by Christy Canyon
> were in error. She has promised to cancel the sale and also they would
> make good on the earlier sale of the Christy Canyon award. There will
> always be apologists like Daedalus. The ironic thing for me is that
> these two women have been very open with their fans, and many of their
> fans attended the CES show last year. In some of the earlier postings
> there are links to pictures and an itinerary from the show. They went
> for a two day signing. You would think that a true fan would have
> questioned Victoria and told her that what she is putting up for sale
> in a public forum is not legitimate. At what point did Victoria say
> "please excuse me for a few hours while a change into a contour dress
> and go pick up some awards that have been piling up since I retired"?
Thank you for answering my question. Why couldn't the other fella do
the same? Stating what you state in your very first sentence would have
been the end of it.
>
> The Christy Canyon AVN award given to her allegedly for a scene in a
> six year old movie sold for $800, and Victoria Paris alleged award for
> a ten year old movie closed at over $400 after several higher bidders
> withdrew when informed by AVN.
>
> After this fiasco, it wasn't difficult to look through the newsgroups
> and see that both Victoria and Christy sold awards previously. You
> have to wonder how much good money people have paid for these items
> that are worthless. If the items for sale on Ebay are not what is
> represented it is fraud. Period. It makes it more irritating that the
> item description included a detailed "story" about an acceptance
> speech, etc. It also makes you wonder about the value they place on
> the awards, unless they are never really selling the true awards they
> won.
I agree. I wouldn't buy this kind of stuff because it has as much
meaning to me as, well, a World Series ring someone else won. I didn't
win it so what's the point?
> Many fans look forward to purchasing previously owned items from
> their favorites, no matter how commonplace it might be. It seems a
> shame to damage your name and a reputation that was very atypically
> solid for this industry and down to earth to try to get a few extra
> bucks.
Exactly. The thing that makes these girl retain their popularity so
long after they have quit producing 'new product' is their reputation
as nice people and pretty straight-up in their affairs. Since they
don't make videos any more and have quit their stage shows, they only
thing that they have left is their reputation. Why ruin it?
>
> Daedalus has no responsibility if he copies an Ebay description to
> another web site. However if he is friend or fan of these two he would
> be aware of what awards they won and should point out that what they
> are doing is wrong. Unless he agrees with the whole idea of ripping
> off the public.
I disagree with the first point. The descriptions are posted so
frequently that a reasonable person can wonder exactly what the posters
relationship is to the girls. However, I'll let that drop because I
most heartily agree with your second point.
raoul
T-Bone
wrote:
>Victoria Paris has acknowledged that the Ebay item she recently
>auctioned the AVN award as well as the Ebay auction by Christy Canyon
>were in error. She has promised to cancel the sale and also they would
>make good on the earlier sale of the Christy Canyon award.
Where did Victoria Paris make this acknowledgement? Is there a web
site address or a newsgroup posting?
T-Bone
david aaron clark
civilized era of porn, they are not, collectively, Mother Theresa. A
porn starlet is hardly a role model for stringent honesty and high
moral standards. Sorry, but it's the cold truth.
Industry insiders know that these two ladies were/are no more or less
honest than any other porn star, who at the end of the day is truly in
it for the money. And with the peak of their earning ability far
behind them, forced to face a less lavish and self-indulgent
lifestyle, it is sad but hardly shocking that they would turn to
rooking the "loyal fans" that they have learned through years of
stripclub touring, etc, are woefully eager to be exploited.
I would say that's they're insulting the intelligence by perpetrating
a fraud that can so easily be discredited, but if indeed as a previous
poster notes, sales were completed, then it just goes to prove the
maxim coined by P.T. Barnum and adopted by every pornographer from
John T. Bone on down: "There's a sucker born every minute."
Though I know we all have different values and place different
importance on people and things in life, frankly, from my point of
view, someone who exists in such an odd personal mindspace that owning
the dress and/or AVN Award of a porn actress they've never met
constitutes some kind of pleasure has some serious issues.
I mean, I'm a fetishist, for sure -- I still have Annabel Chong's
dress that she wore when she did my "American Bukkake" segment of
ASIANATRIX somewhere in my boxes, but that was kept on a whim, and has
"sentimental" value because we are friends and it represents a piece
of personal history to me. I also have a pair of red spike heels that
have been worn by, in sucession: Sami Moon, Jade Marcella, Loni, Nyomi
Marcella, Lyla Lei and a few other girls I can't remember. You can see
them in various pics on my site and box covers.
Mostly, though, I throw out the shit that porn actresses discard on my
sets or in my home. Perhaps I am stupid, and should find an "agent" to
hawk the stuff on Ebay.
(That's a joke, people! DON'T email me!)
