CFNY programming in 80s
Wes Reimer
With help from my new scanner, Alan Cross and others, I have added
significantly to the CFNY fan page at http://ears2hear.on.ca/cfny/
Got permission to post this email message I received from an ex-program
director at CHUM. thought it was interesting and might prompt some
discussion on this newsgroup...
> Hi Wes:
>
> Nice job on the CFNY Page. A very unique radio station that, in the
> mid-70s kind of picked up where CHUM-FM left off as a "progressive"
> station. It's no accident that their first two PDs orchestrating the
> format were ex-CHUM-FMers Pritchard and Marsden.
>
> CHUM-FM "evolved" into an Album Rock station partially because of the
> licensing of Q-107 in 1977. CHUM-FM evolved to"Album Rock". It still
> played album cuts, but the music was more focused to "rock".
>
> It wasn't until the late 70s that "Progressive" became "New Music" as
> the second wave of the mostly British Invasion began, led by The Sex
> Pistols in England and The New York Dolls in New York. K-Rock in L.A.
> and WLIR, in New York, led the radio way. CFNY, which had a
> "progressive" culture, took a lot longer to evolve.
>
> As someone who programmed against them at the time(I was the P.D.of
> CHUM-FM), I believe the main reason CFNY were not more successful was
> not so much signal, but that they refused to play their best songs more
> than once a day and they didn't focus enough on the next generation of
> rock music. That philosophy held them back, even as their "sister" New
> Music stations in the U.S. (who also had weak signals in Metro) had
> ratings success through the 80s.
>
> After leaving CHUM, I had a chance to test out my theories. I changed
> WLIR New York (actually Garden City, about 20 miles from Manhattan)to
> WDRE, and created the first Top 40 Punk station. A tight rotation of
> the best from New Music, that for the most part, was unduplicated by the
> New York City stations. My Music Director(although not in title) was
> Sean Ross, who also shared this vision. The format became known as
> "Modern Rock" in the U.S. Trades. Sean later left us to become radio
> editor of Billboard Magazine, where he continues to this day.
>
> In our first book in the spring of 1988, we got a 2 share. Considering
> that we were a Class A 1kw station, rated in the Nassau-Suffolk Arbitron
> and you couldn't hear us in Suffolk(or most of Manhattan for that
> matter), it was a significant success. Imagine having the signal of the
> University of Toronto station broadcasting out of Hamilton! To get a
> better "feel" of WDRE and the culture it represented in that era, check
> out the award winning movie Highway 101 by Depeche Mode produced by D.H.
> Pennybaker. It's likely at a video store near you.
>
> CFNY, even though they were in Brampton, had a 100,000 watt signal long
> before they got on the CN Tower.
>
> I believe CFNY could have "owned" Toronto if they had taken our cue by
> playing only the best records, that, for the most part were unduplicated
> by the Toronto stations. But they continued on with their "progressive"
> attitude (Sean calls it "going native")until, as you describe, ownership
> changes created chaos.
>
> Frankly, I don't think CFNY was very good radio through most of the
> 80's. It was just a bunch of people smoking too much dope and jerking
> off.
>
> In the 90's of course, Nirvana changed everything.
[some stuff cut - details about my history of cfny that i need to fix -
Wes]
> K-Rock in L.A. was North America's most successful "alternative"
> station in the 80's....and still is today.
>
> Cheers
>
> Warren Cosford
MFaust1071
As a huge fan of the "jerking off" at CYNY in the 1980s and someone who lived
in the New York area when WLIR became WDRE, I can only say that WDRE was hardly
a "punk" station. It was geared primarily to white Long Island teenagers, and
was basically a top thirty station, playing the same hit tracks over and over.
Mr. Cosford seems smugly proud to be part of the death of worthwhile radio.
M.
Buffalo
Wes Reimer
Yeah, i was a huge fan too, i listened to CFNY constantly from about
1985 - 87 as a teenager, all evening while doing homework, all weekend
and anytime i was in a car! so i appreciated the lack of repetition.
probably a bit more of a focus or repetition of the best songs would
have helped them get more listeners, but i was in heaven from what i
remember!
Wes
ad...@interlog.com
Actually, I agree with Warren Cosford's talk about much of 70s-80s CFNY being sloppy
on-air jerkoff, but from the opposite angle. He objects to it from the
commercial-programmer-honcho standpoint (which, understandably, many in this NG find
arrogant and insulting). My problem is that it lacked the kind of sophistication or
slacker-polymath insouciance you found on college radio at its best--it still sounded
like self-indulgent old progressive-FM dudes who were straining to be hip.
Remember--CKLN and CIUT blossomed in part as a response to the chronic haphazardness
of CFNY.
Andy@TO
Warren Cosford wrote (to Wes Reimer):
> > I believe the main reason CFNY were not more successful was
> > not so much signal, but that they refused to play their best songs more
> > than once a day and they didn't focus enough on the next generation of
> > rock music. That philosophy held them back, even as their "sister" New
> > Music stations in the U.S. (who also had weak signals in Metro) had
> > ratings success through the 80s.
As a dedicated listener in the 80s, I believe that was one of their
strengths.
The extensive play list exposed people to a lot of different music.
If you didn't like the particular track playing now, something
completely
different would be on within the 1/2 hour.
When the play lists changed at the end of the 80s and the early 90s
I lost interest and then Nirvana turned me off completely.
To this day I'm still looking for a 'permanent' station to listen to.
ANDY
Kent Spraggett
the problem is in that most announcers do not have the ability to
program as well. the early days of 'ny were remarkable in that both the
talent & programming flowed well without the announcers going overboard
in certain areas. regrettably programming is a neccacary thing in
commercial radio... mind you, look at how cfny is now & one can see why
the only good radio left in the market is non-profit...
was ckln, ciut & chry <possibly the crtc & doc's most STUPID allocation
of freq ever> even around in ny's early days?
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Kent Spraggett
J. W. Wells wrote:
> I only started listening to 'NY in 1990, but I did hear glimpses of it
> before that time. Even in the years 90-92 CFNY was doing quite well, in
> it's mix of music-I know others with broader timelines, will say that
> after '90 the spirit was waning, but IMNSHO it was still there. CFNY
> was never successful (book-wise) since they were ahead of their time.
it was in that they were trying to play off their past. you still did
hear the 102.1 band every now & then and there were a few left-overs
from the old days. Berns was there as well wich added as he was the cfny
liner guy for ages. yea, they allways did suck at numbers, but one just
had to look at the quarter hr & time spent listening to see that the
listeners they had were very dedicated listeners. Personally i thing
that is way better than the fickleness of mainsream stations where they
have huge cume but only 10 min or so before tune-out occours...
> Alt. music is now the "rock" mainstream-they are cashing in due to
> a tight flaccid playlist, which was a result of an ownership change.
no it isn't... how can something `alternative' to mainstram become the
mainstream? the true alternative is only on stations like ciut and the
other college stations. the true alkternative <as was with cfny> you
//might/./ hear 10 years later as seen with stuff like depache mode &
cure typea stuff...
> I agree with Mr. Cosford's assessment that the "big" singles,
> should be played more often, but there can be a middle ground where
> focus on new music could be the code of the station, without going to
> a "tight" playlist. To me having this type of playlist is death. With
> the current 'NY, we have this death.
can you say boreing? heh, whatever happened to their no repeat workday?
:)
S.B.Williams
Wes Reimer wrote in message <34AD70...@ears2hear.on.ca>...
>Yeah, i was a huge fan too, i listened to CFNY constantly from about
>1985 - 87 as a teenager, all evening while doing homework, all weekend
>and anytime i was in a car! so i appreciated the lack of repetition.
>probably a bit more of a focus or repetition of the best songs would
>have helped them get more listeners, but i was in heaven from what i
>remember!
>
>Wes
Around that time, Chris Sheppard's Friday and Saturday night shows were just
fab! Everyone I knew had CFNY on! What a great time to be a teenager...
If there are any Chris Sheppard CD's out there which focus (ha...anybody
remember Club Focus behind City Hall?) on his broadcasts from that time
(late 80's) please let me know. I am at lan...@ns.sympatico.ca
ad...@interlog.com
Kent Spraggett wrote:
> ad...@interlog.com wrote:
> >
> > Actually, I agree with Warren Cosford's talk about much of 70s-80s CFNY being sloppy
> > on-air jerkoff, but from the opposite angle. He objects to it from the
> > commercial-programmer-honcho standpoint (which, understandably, many in this NG find
> > arrogant and insulting). My problem is that it lacked the kind of sophistication or
> > slacker-polymath insouciance you found on college radio at its best--it still sounded
> > like self-indulgent old progressive-FM dudes who were straining to be hip.
> > Remember--CKLN and CIUT blossomed in part as a response to the chronic haphazardness
> > of CFNY.
>
> the problem is in that most announcers do not have the ability to
> program as well. the early days of 'ny were remarkable in that both the
> talent & programming flowed well without the announcers going overboard
> in certain areas. regrettably programming is a neccacary thing in
> commercial radio... mind you, look at how cfny is now & one can see why
> the only good radio left in the market is non-profit...
>
> was ckln, ciut & chry <possibly the crtc & doc's most STUPID allocation
> of freq ever> even around in ny's early days?
I don't know what you mean by "stupid", but they did exist in various incarnations, usually
on cable or via closed-circuit before hitting the common airwaves (CKLN in 1983, CIUT in
1987, CHRY a touch after that), which was no help for listeners but a godsend for music
freaks and dilletantes who might have wanted to crack their knuckles on something even more
left-field than CFNY. Think back in the early 80s--CFNY was great for Euro-electro-trash,
but little else, and anyone instilled in the culture of, let's say, the Village Voice Pazz
& Jop could see hole after hole in the armour of the so-called Spirit Of Radio. (Indeed,
it appeared as if few in the 102.1 organization had ANY sophisticated comprehension of the
rock press. Like, rock critics SUCKED, man, Lester Bangs was no better than Peter
Goddard. Eccch.) At their (too seldom, at least in retrospect) best, the college stations
could surpass CFNY at its game; they were fun places to lurk and hang out and (once on the
air) listen to. College-radio self-indulgence (the nascent "slacker" aesthetic, to some
degree) was somehow more palatable than CFNY's semi-commercial self-indulgence (and I'm
steering clear of Cosford's accusation of drug usage at CFNY, although there are tales, BOY
there are tales...).
Face it, the Edge today is something like the CHUM--1050, not -FM--of our time. It's a
commercial station, and commercial isn't necessarily bad; think of the warm nostalgia
attached to old Top 40 radio. If you want old-style adventurous programming, wave bye-bye,
or gather whatever shards you can get from CIUT or CKLN, or await that endlessly-postponed
new radio technology...
Boy, you're right. Radio today is bleak.
ad...@interlog.com
S.B.Williams wrote:
> Around that time, Chris Sheppard's Friday and Saturday night shows were just
> fab! Everyone I knew had CFNY on! What a great time to be a teenager...
>
> If there are any Chris Sheppard CD's out there which focus (ha...anybody
> remember Club Focus behind City Hall?) on his broadcasts from that time
> (late 80's) please let me know. I am at lan...@ns.sympatico.ca
It was with Shep that CFNY achieved liftoff and took that step beyond that
Cosford-pinpointed sloppy excess--it helped that he had more Dave Mickie than
Dave Marsden in him.
Death Incarnate
ad...@interlog.com wrote:
> I don't know what you mean by "stupid", but they did exist in various incarnations, usually
Just in how they allocated 105.5 for chry... 50 watts right between 105.3 & 105.7.. the
sideband of those two stations pound the hell outta chry unless your right at steels &
keele.... heh, by the time it hits brampton the old cfny sounds good..:)
> on cable or via closed-circuit before hitting the common airwaves (CKLN in 1983, CIUT in
> 1987, CHRY a touch after that), which was no help for listeners but a godsend for music
> freaks and dilletantes who might have wanted to crack their knuckles on something even more
> left-field than CFNY. Think back in the early 80s--CFNY was great for Euro-electro-trash,
> but little else, and anyone instilled in the culture of, let's say, the Village Voice Pazz
> & Jop could see hole after hole in the armour of the so-called Spirit Of Radio. (Indeed,
> it appeared as if few in the 102.1 organization had ANY sophisticated comprehension of the
> rock press. Like, rock critics SUCKED, man, Lester Bangs was no better than Peter
> Goddard. Eccch.) At their (too seldom, at least in retrospect) best, the college stations
> could surpass CFNY at its game; they were fun places to lurk and hang out and (once on the
> air) listen to. College-radio self-indulgence (the nascent "slacker" aesthetic, to some
> degree) was somehow more palatable than CFNY's semi-commercial self-indulgence (and I'm
> steering clear of Cosford's accusation of drug usage at CFNY, although there are tales, BOY
> there are tales...).
>
heh, drugs at cfny? nahhh, they were such clean cut people..... mind you, i have seen some
mighty strange plants growing down at their old transmittter site..<g>
> Face it, the Edge today is something like the CHUM--1050, not -FM--of our time. It's a
> commercial station, and commercial isn't necessarily bad; think of the warm nostalgia
> attached to old Top 40 radio. If you want old-style adventurous programming, wave bye-bye,
>
ech top-40.... disco..... me-generation..... bubble-gum..... nope, no nostalgia fer me
there....:)
> or gather whatever shards you can get from CIUT or CKLN, or await that endlessly-postponed
> new radio technology...
It's there... ciut i think more so... not to mention some of the `syndicated' type shows they
have on <subgenious hour of slack & negitivland> is pretty cool...
> Boy, you're right. Radio today is bleak.
thankfully not quite as bad as tv though....<g>
Neal Mercer
In article <34B06516...@interlog.com>, ad...@interlog.com says...
Jesus people. He was the beginning of the end.
ad...@interlog.com
Neal Mercer wrote:
Not that the liftoff beyond sloppy excess was a unilaterally POSITIVE thing, mind
you...;-)
Drove Sukhdeo
I've been a listener since about 1982, so I can say with some authority
that I have seen the cfny go through a lot of changes. Lately though I have
found that I haven't been listening as much as I use to, perhaps because
the station is narrowing it's target audience? Maybe things will change in
the future.
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In article <34AD70...@ears2hear.on.ca>, Wes Reimer
<wre...@ears2hear.on.ca> wrote:
>Yeah, i was a huge fan too, i listened to CFNY constantly from about
>1985 - 87 as a teenager, all evening while doing homework, all weekend
>and anytime i was in a car! so i appreciated the lack of repetition.
>probably a bit more of a focus or repetition of the best songs would
>have helped them get more listeners, but i was in heaven from what i
>remember!
>
>Wes
>
>
ad...@interlog.com
To all: read the article in the latest issue of Spin (the M. Manson cover) on
the present dire state of modern rock radio in the USA. Then reflect upon CFNY
a touch.
Ed McCrudden
Haven't read the article, but what's to reflect upon? CFNY is a
perfect example of the dire state of US radio, imported into our
country. There are hundreds of "edge" stations across the US.
And hundreds of "mix" stations, and hundreds of "new country"
stations. And they all sound the same. Blecch... garbage.
ad...@interlog.com
Ed McCrudden wrote:
Reflection is healthy; it's a more elaborate reflex than mere platitudinous
dismissal. The point is, to read the article. It'll throw CFNY into
focus. Unless you simply don't want to be reminded in any way
what-so-ever. (By the way, when a journalist friend of mine, normally
sympathetic toward such stuff, actually went in and saw the computerized
operations at the Edge, well...compare it to being turned vegetarian by a
field trip to the abattoir...)
Personally I'm a bit of a social anthropologist and media observer, so I
still have a skeletal "acceptance" of the present state of affairs at the
Edge--and I'm fascinated how old-time, commercial-crap hating CFNY freaks
haven't the least bit of awareness and sympathy for the Top 40 mystique...as
if they weren't young once. (Visions of clued-out wrong-end-of-gen-gap
30something and 40something daddies dance in my head. Who knows, maybe
their kids are even getting into the retro disco and Journey that Daddy once
hated like the passion. Scary? Tough.)(NOTE: I use the term "daddies" on
purpose. I notice how, well, "gendered" the whole anti-commercial-crap
issue is.)
If CFNY is a kind of CHUM/CFTR of our day, than what was the matter with
CHUM/CFTR, why do sensible (even hip) adults still cherish their memories of
those stations, still hoard their old CHUM charts, etc...although granted,
in today's cookie-cutter world, things are different. As I said in another
newsgroup, once upon a time (20, 30 years ago), when Muzak was the devil, to
hear a real-life music radio station in the workplace was a blessing. In
today's age of CD (and, for the tardy, tapes), sometimes in-store DJ's, and
much-refined satellite-delivered music services that plunge a stake thru the
heart of the old Muzak devil (although Jaymz Bee types see fit to reinstate
Muzak's hipness--hmmm...maybe the Edge could have a cocktail-music show, the
modern equivalent to those token rock-station jazz shows of yore), having
radio in the workplace is a sign of dollar-store cheapness.
Ed McCrudden
In article <34BDEFE7...@interlog.com>, <ad...@interlog.com> wrote:
>The point is, to read the article.
Is this magazine online?
>(By the way, when a journalist friend of mine, normally
>sympathetic toward such stuff, actually went in and saw the computerized
>operations at the Edge, well...compare it to being turned vegetarian by a
>field trip to the abattoir...)
Oh? You mean, in your friend's eyes, a bad radio station suddenly
became good because they are computerized?
>and I'm fascinated how old-time, commercial-crap hating CFNY freaks
>haven't the least bit of awareness and sympathy for the Top 40 mystique...as
>if they weren't young once.
Mystique? What mystique? It's like this: either you like top 40 or you
don't. It has nothing to do with age.
The original CFNY was a polar opposite to top 40, and those of us who
liked it are understandably disappointed that the current ownership
has taken the station into the top 40 realm.
For those who LIKE to hear songs repeated every three hours, there's
no problem, as the current iteration of CFNY was created with these
listeners in mind, as were the hundreds of US stations with identical
sound.
MFaust1071
Let me get this straight:
Spin puts Marilyn Manson on the cover, then puts in same issue a story about
the sad state of contemporary radio?
Can anyone say "irony"?
M.
ad...@interlog.com
Ed McCrudden wrote:
> In article <34BDEFE7...@interlog.com>, <ad...@interlog.com> wrote:
> >The point is, to read the article.
>
> Is this magazine online?
>
> >(By the way, when a journalist friend of mine, normally
> >sympathetic toward such stuff, actually went in and saw the computerized
> >operations at the Edge, well...compare it to being turned vegetarian by a
> >field trip to the abattoir...)
>
> Oh? You mean, in your friend's eyes, a bad radio station suddenly
> became good because they are computerized?
No; vice versa. He was willing to give CFNY/the Edge/whatever the benefit of the
doubt until he came in and saw how it all worked.
Remember. It's one thing to gripe absently about a commercial radio station.
But once you go in and see how it all works, you won't be griping no more.
You'll be steering clear--WAY clear.
Sad to say, that's the Edge today. Within parameters of 90s-style commercial
radio it may be passable; for those who wish for some of that old spontenaiety,
well, "you can't go home again".
And for the broader scenes from the abbatoir, read that Spin piece on modern rock
radio. If you can't catch it on-line, do it the old-fashioned way--browse
through it at your local Lichtman's.
Ed McCrudden
In article <34BEB59A...@interlog.com>, <ad...@interlog.com> wrote:
>If you can't catch it on-line, do it the old-fashioned way--browse
>through it at your local Lichtman's.
*sigh* If you say so. Wondering what kind of self respecting magazine
doesn't have a net presence in this day and age. BTW, who wrote the
article?
Ed McCrudden
In article <19980115224...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
Heh! Don't confuse the sad state of radio with the sad state of
music. Two different issues.
Music is cyclical... we seem to have periods of creative explosion,
followed by periods of famine. Think back to the woeful post-disco
70's. Foreigner. Journey. Aaaccckkk!!
We are again in the downward curve of the cycle. When a two-bit
garage band like the Smashing Pumpkins is the best you can do, you
know you're in trouble.
But creative and challenging music will rise again, just as it did
in the early 80's and the late 60's.
The question is: will there be a radio station to play the music
when the revolution comes?
And the answer is: No, radio is a lowest-common-denominator medium,
and there's no chance that a station like the original CFNY could
survive in today's economic climate. Frequency allocations on the
FM band are worth a fortune, and no applicant can afford to experiment.
The future of radio is in satellite digital delivery.
Hopefully someone with vision will remember the 400,000+ former
listeners of CFNY, and put a service online. They'll make a
fortune, and I'll be the first to sign up. And buy stock.
Dave Mooney
MFaust1071 <mfaus...@aol.com> wrote:
> Let me get this straight:
>
> Spin puts Marilyn Manson on the cover, then puts in same issue a story about
> the sad state of contemporary radio?
>
> Can anyone say "irony"?
I know... it's like rain on your wedding day.
dave
--
David Mooney | "I can't command a ship from inside an aquarium!"
ad...@interlog.com
Ed McCrudden wrote:
> The question is: will there be a radio station to play the music
> when the revolution comes?
>
> And the answer is: No, radio is a lowest-common-denominator medium,
> and there's no chance that a station like the original CFNY could
> survive in today's economic climate. Frequency allocations on the
> FM band are worth a fortune, and no applicant can afford to experiment.
>
> The future of radio is in satellite digital delivery.
>
> Hopefully someone with vision will remember the 400,000+ former
> listeners of CFNY, and put a service online. They'll make a
> fortune, and I'll be the first to sign up. And buy stock.
The danger of such a service, though, is if it hews too closely to the old CFNY
model for the supposed sake of those "400,000+ former listeners". I don't want
to feel like I'm part of an aridly narrowcast gang of hip nostalgic
30/40something males (let's say, a Y-95 of the left). While such a service might
be viable, I'd prefer something that is not only the equal of, but SURPASSES, the
original CFNY.
But I agree about radio's screws being terminally tight these days; trouble is,
radio (music radio especially) been caught between a rock and a hard place, and
the present threadbare economies of launching and running a radio station have
that whiff of impending oblivion about it. (It was a heroic struggle that got
CKLN and CIUT on the air in the 80s; today, it'd be like a horse-and-buggy
investment.). It's like watching the Canadian National Exhibition slowly fester
with each passing year, its various raison d'etres having long since been usurped
by the real world outside.
Remember that--lowest common denominator as a portent of oblivion...
Tim Meehan
em...@vex.net (Ed McCrudden) banged away at the keys in alt.fan.cfny on 16
Jan 1998 13:01:31 GMT and came up with:
>But creative and challenging music will rise again, just as it did
>in the early 80's and the late 60's.
Three words.
Ben Folds Five.
Yes, I'm becoming a fanatic. Someone please restrain me.[1]
>The future of radio is in satellite digital delivery.
Or Internet delivery. Give me 2-3 years though. I'd start an Internet
radio station today 'cept connectivity is too much for my starving student
budget.[2] By 2000 I could prolly afford it.
-Tim (
[1] Why does the "EDGE" only play "Battle of Who Could Care Less" and
"Brick" - the album has about 4 more potential singles, but yes, I'm
biased...
[2] The nice P166/MMX box I have (with 64 Megs) could prolly handle it
quite well - I know that .mp3's play quite nicely on it.
[3] .mp3's - The future of piracy...today! :)
Tim Meehan * tim.m...@utoronto.ca * ah...@freenet.toronto.on.ca
"...If you believe this disc has a manufacturing defect, please call
our Quality Management Department at 1-800-255-7514. New Jersey resi-
dents should call 609-722-8224. Nashville should pay a quarter and
call someone who cares." -- Ben Folds Five liner notes
"Political pigs fly only when paid well to do so." -- Arthur Sobey
Tim Meehan
P...@vex.net (Dave Mooney) banged away at the keys in alt.fan.cfny on 16
Jan 1998 21:00:04 GMT and came up with:
>I know... it's like rain on your wedding day.
Dave...wrong newsgroup buddy :)
-Tim (still ROTFLING though)
Archie Leach
They aren't that good. It's another case of "okay" passing for "genius"
and "sub-standard" passing for "commerical mega-breakthroughs"....
I mean, BF5's tunes are okay. Okay. Better than mediocre, but.....I
can't really describe why BF5 doesn't do it for me.
Maybe it's just as simple as I hate the lead singer's voice. He sounds
like a wuss.
It's not that there's anything technically 'wrong' about sounding like a
wuss...except it just sounds......bad......shrill.
Oh..yes.....I can explain why BF5 is just another alternasuburban
band....they're just too FUCKING WHITE....WHITE, WHITE, WHITE,
WHITE....AAAAAAAAGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!
Lock the white boys up in a closed room for eight hours and force them
to listen to non-stop James Brown, Otis Redding, Booker T and the MGs,
John Lee Hooker....and, throw in a token white boy like Stevie Ray
Vaughn....
The blues influence is SORELY, SORELY lacking in the alternamusic that
finds its way onto alternastations' playlists.
But that's just my uninformed, Amerikaner opinion (I'm from Michigan and
I worship the Red Wings.....does that make me partially
Canadian-in-spirit? Darren McCarty's such a badass....or, as Don Cherry
might say, "He's a good guy, I love 'im)
Sorry to ramble....I just kind of stumbled onto this newsgroup. It is
always a great internet pleasure to suddenly wander into a literate
oasis such as this.....even if I've never heard of CFNY in my life until
tonight.
Good reading and thoughtful responses. Why can't Americans be
more.....Canadian about things?
Archie Leach
P.H. Van broekhoven
Archie Leach (stuco...@webtv.net) wrote:
: But that's just my uninformed, Amerikaner opinion (I'm from Michigan and
: I worship the Red Wings.....does that make me partially
: Canadian-in-spirit? Darren McCarty's such a badass....or, as Don Cherry
um.. considering the red wings are from detroit, which is in the u.s., no.
but what does that have to do with ben folds five, or cfny anyway?
stuco...@webtv.com
In article <6ae2u4$e...@informer1.cis.McMaster.CA>,
Not much, necessarily. Maybe my newsserver isn't up to speed but it sure
doesn't appear that alt.fan.cfny gets that many posts......and besides,
it was late and I was in an off-topic mood...
But besides that. The posts that were on the ng were all well-written,
probably better than mine....
For whatever that's worth...
Archie Leach
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Ed McCrudden
In article <885776575...@dejanews.com>, <stuco...@webtv.com> wrote:
>But besides that. The posts that were on the ng were all well-written,
Huh! You shoulda been here when the drEdge deejays were posting
their "contributions".
Mike Stafford was fun, though. Where'd he go, anyway? Last I heard,
he was pontificating about the wonders of the Internet on CFRB. Now
*there's* a real tuned-in station for our self-proclaimed Radio God.
Ed McCrudden
In article <6agn1v$i...@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
J. W. Wells <an...@spamFreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote:
>but Detroit isn't hockey Heartland,
Oh, I dunno about that. Remember a guy named Howe? There's a lot
of hockey history in Michigan, and those fans are for real. Wish
they'd give up on the damn octopi, though.
Anyway, back to topic..
>The SPIN magazine article this month, give some insights into the loss
>of Rock Radio.
This is the second reference I've seen to this article. Will someone
please tell me who wrote the article? Was it written about CFNY
specifically, or radio in general?
She's Lost Control Again
>This is the second reference I've seen to this article. Will someone
>please tell me who wrote the article? Was it written about CFNY
>specifically, or radio in general?
>
It's by Keith Moerer. It's about the decline/commercialization of
American alternative/modern rock stations. CFNY is not mentioned, but
sadly, a lot of what's said seems to apply to it.
Jen
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Ed McCrudden wrote:
> In article <885776575...@dejanews.com>, <stuco...@webtv.com> wrote:
> >But besides that. The posts that were on the ng were all well-written,
>
> Huh! You shoulda been here when the drEdge deejays were posting
> their "contributions".
I wasn't around then; but if their posts were as limp as you suggest...don't say I
didn't warn you...
> Mike Stafford was fun, though. Where'd he go, anyway? Last I heard,
> he was pontificating about the wonders of the Internet on CFRB. Now
> *there's* a real tuned-in station for our self-proclaimed Radio God.
Still a weekend CFRB hack. (Okay, I shouldn't use the word "hack"...)