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Jeff Green
Sep 3, 2015, 7:23:35 AM9/3/15
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I'm not, but Frontier says I am.
When you go to one of those websites that guesses your location mine is
always elsewhere. I'm in Breedsville/Grand Junction/South Haven (I'll
take any one of the three) but the IP address assigned to me by Frontier
has me in Traverse City or Lansing or suburban Detroit.
I know this because: http://ctrlq.org/maps/where/ tells me I am. And
because Meijer or Menard's or Weather Underground says I am too.
I wrote to Frontier asking they fix this and they told me it's not them,
it's me, and that I need a more reliable locator service.
Can this be fixed? How?
J
When you go to one of those websites that guesses your location mine is
always elsewhere. I'm in Breedsville/Grand Junction/South Haven (I'll
take any one of the three) but the IP address assigned to me by Frontier
has me in Traverse City or Lansing or suburban Detroit.
I know this because: http://ctrlq.org/maps/where/ tells me I am. And
because Meijer or Menard's or Weather Underground says I am too.
I wrote to Frontier asking they fix this and they told me it's not them,
it's me, and that I need a more reliable locator service.
Can this be fixed? How?
J
S. Checker
Sep 3, 2015, 9:00:07 AM9/3/15
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various providers and since their data is their business I suspect they
don't share.
Maxmind is one of the big providers. Browsing their site I came across
https://support.maxmind.com/geoip-data-correction-request/
which is supposed to allow you to correct their data. ip2location.com
is another source but they only seem to allow corrections from ISPs.
But keep in mind that it also depends to some degree the layout of your
ISP's network. If they're handing out addresses from a single range to
people in Paw Paw, Coloma, Bangor and Bravo then they're going to
assign a general address to that IP range - especially as if you reset
your connection, you'll potentially get a completely new address from
that range.
Wireless location can be more accurate - they can use known locations
of WiFi hotspots, mobile towers, or the GPS from your phone.
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Greg Goss
Sep 3, 2015, 10:41:35 AM9/3/15
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maps.
The web user doesn't choose the "locator service"; the web site does.
When I first switched to Telus in 2008, they connected me to a new
server room, and all of the locator services had my location wrong. I
tried 11 locator services, and two of them had me in the right city.
One had me in the city's business core, and another had me in a
graveyard in my city. Most of them showed me at the ISP's corporate
head office on the Vancouver/Burnaby border. One showed me in a
suburb of Detroit and one showed me in California.
It took more than a year for the locator services to get my city
right. One of them apparently still has me in Edmonton, cuz that
seems to be the default on some chainstore websites. One has me down
to the right "last mile" box a couple of blocks away.
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Greg Goss
Sep 3, 2015, 10:43:03 AM9/3/15
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spa...@gmail.com (S. Checker) wrote:
>Wireless location can be more accurate - they can use known locations
>of WiFi hotspots, mobile towers, or the GPS from your phone.
If my phone's GPS is off, Android tracking seems to default to a
>Wireless location can be more accurate - they can use known locations
>of WiFi hotspots, mobile towers, or the GPS from your phone.
location about a half mile away. I would expect them to do better in
a WiFi-rich location like this one.
Howard
Sep 3, 2015, 11:44:46 AM9/3/15
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Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote in news:d4r4jlF6p5lU2
@mid.individual.net:
> spa...@gmail.com (S. Checker) wrote:
>
>>Wireless location can be more accurate - they can use known locations
>>of WiFi hotspots, mobile towers, or the GPS from your phone.
>
> If my phone's GPS is off, Android tracking seems to default to a
> location about a half mile away. I would expect them to do better in
> a WiFi-rich location like this one.
I don't know about your phone, but does it peg your location to WiFi or
a cell tower?
Cell towers are a fairly shaky source for locations, since the tower
choice can get bounced around a fair amount depending on a variety of
factors such as call load and geography. In addition to the recent
court case freeing a woman named Lisa Roberts who was convicted based on
cell tower location evidence, the guy convicted in the Serial case
recently won the right to appeal and his new attorney has found ATT
warnings to investigators that the data for incoming cell calls was
unreliable. I don't know if that will be sufficient to overturn his
conviction, since other evidence may be considered sufficient, but there
are bound to be more cases thrown into question due to overly aggressive
use of cell tower location data.
@mid.individual.net:
> spa...@gmail.com (S. Checker) wrote:
>
>>Wireless location can be more accurate - they can use known locations
>>of WiFi hotspots, mobile towers, or the GPS from your phone.
>
> If my phone's GPS is off, Android tracking seems to default to a
> location about a half mile away. I would expect them to do better in
> a WiFi-rich location like this one.
a cell tower?
Cell towers are a fairly shaky source for locations, since the tower
choice can get bounced around a fair amount depending on a variety of
factors such as call load and geography. In addition to the recent
court case freeing a woman named Lisa Roberts who was convicted based on
cell tower location evidence, the guy convicted in the Serial case
recently won the right to appeal and his new attorney has found ATT
warnings to investigators that the data for incoming cell calls was
unreliable. I don't know if that will be sufficient to overturn his
conviction, since other evidence may be considered sufficient, but there
are bound to be more cases thrown into question due to overly aggressive
use of cell tower location data.
Jeff Green
Sep 3, 2015, 7:51:58 PM9/3/15
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I wish they'd make up their minds.
J
Les Albert
Sep 3, 2015, 8:05:37 PM9/3/15
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On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 19:51:42 -0400, Jeff Green <jeffin...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>Right now I'm in Zeeland. And Breedsville. At the same time.
You are a quantam person.
Les
wrote:
>Right now I'm in Zeeland. And Breedsville. At the same time.
Les
Alfalfa Bill
Sep 3, 2015, 8:24:26 PM9/3/15
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danny burstein
Sep 3, 2015, 9:02:00 PM9/3/15
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In <msambg$2h2$1...@dont-email.me> Jeff Green <jeffin...@gmail.com> writes:
>Right now I'm in Zeeland. And Breedsville. At the same time.
>I wish they'd make up their minds.
damn, now you've brought "manspreading" to Michigan...
>Right now I'm in Zeeland. And Breedsville. At the same time.
>I wish they'd make up their minds.
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Jeff Green
Sep 3, 2015, 9:41:55 PM9/3/15
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J
Greg Goss
Sep 4, 2015, 1:18:53 AM9/4/15
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Howard <howa...@notmail.com> wrote:
>Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote in news:d4r4jlF6p5lU2
>@mid.individual.net:
>
>> spa...@gmail.com (S. Checker) wrote:
>>
>>>Wireless location can be more accurate - they can use known locations
>>>of WiFi hotspots, mobile towers, or the GPS from your phone.
>>
>> If my phone's GPS is off, Android tracking seems to default to a
>> location about a half mile away. I would expect them to do better in
>> a WiFi-rich location like this one.
>
>I don't know about your phone, but does it peg your location to WiFi or
>a cell tower?
I don't know how the telco figures the location -- probably
>Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote in news:d4r4jlF6p5lU2
>@mid.individual.net:
>
>> spa...@gmail.com (S. Checker) wrote:
>>
>>>Wireless location can be more accurate - they can use known locations
>>>of WiFi hotspots, mobile towers, or the GPS from your phone.
>>
>> If my phone's GPS is off, Android tracking seems to default to a
>> location about a half mile away. I would expect them to do better in
>> a WiFi-rich location like this one.
>
>I don't know about your phone, but does it peg your location to WiFi or
>a cell tower?
triangulation from cell towers. But one of the missions tacked onto
the Streetview driving was to map out the WiFi router signals over
much of the planet. That's how they accidentally picked up the emails
that got them into such trouble. They were gathering ENVELOPES to pin
down locations but accidentally kept the contents of those envelopes,
too.
If WiFi and GPS are both turned off, the Android location tracking
doesn't work. So it ain't the cell towers.
>Cell towers are a fairly shaky source for locations, since the tower
>choice can get bounced around a fair amount depending on a variety of
>factors such as call load and geography. In addition to the recent
>court case freeing a woman named Lisa Roberts who was convicted based on
>cell tower location evidence, the guy convicted in the Serial case
>recently won the right to appeal and his new attorney has found ATT
>warnings to investigators that the data for incoming cell calls was
>unreliable. I don't know if that will be sufficient to overturn his
>conviction, since other evidence may be considered sufficient, but there
>are bound to be more cases thrown into question due to overly aggressive
>use of cell tower location data.
Greg Goss
Sep 4, 2015, 1:20:23 AM9/4/15
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Jeff Green <jeffin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 9/3/2015 10:41 AM, Greg Goss wrote:
>> One had me in the city's business core, and another had me in a
>> graveyard in my city. Most of them showed me at the ISP's corporate
>
>On 9/3/2015 10:41 AM, Greg Goss wrote:
>> One had me in the city's business core, and another had me in a
>> graveyard in my city. Most of them showed me at the ISP's corporate
>
>Right now I'm in Zeeland. And Breedsville. At the same time.
>
>I wish they'd make up their minds.
It's kind'a spooky when Skynet thinks I live in a grave.
>
>I wish they'd make up their minds.
Jack Campin
Sep 4, 2015, 5:18:54 AM9/4/15
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> When you go to one of those websites that guesses your location mine is
> always elsewhere. I'm in Breedsville/Grand Junction/South Haven (I'll
> take any one of the three) but the IP address assigned to me by Frontier
> has me in Traverse City or Lansing or suburban Detroit.
My phone kept thinking I was in Malaysia weeks after I got back
> always elsewhere. I'm in Breedsville/Grand Junction/South Haven (I'll
> take any one of the three) but the IP address assigned to me by Frontier
> has me in Traverse City or Lansing or suburban Detroit.
from there. This was particularly fun with the bus tracking app
telling me it might be a while before an Edinburgh bus reached
my stop in Penang.
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Jeff Green
Sep 4, 2015, 8:37:58 AM9/4/15
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On 9/4/2015 1:18 AM, Greg Goss wrote:
>
> If WiFi and GPS are both turned off, the Android location tracking
> doesn't work. So it ain't the cell towers.
>
>> Cell towers are a fairly shaky source for locations, since the tower
>> choice can get bounced around a fair amount depending on a variety of
>> factors such as call load and geography. In addition to the recent
>> court case freeing a woman named Lisa Roberts who was convicted based on
>> cell tower location evidence, the guy convicted in the Serial case
>> recently won the right to appeal and his new attorney has found ATT
>> warnings to investigators that the data for incoming cell calls was
>> unreliable. I don't know if that will be sufficient to overturn his
>> conviction, since other evidence may be considered sufficient, but there
>> are bound to be more cases thrown into question due to overly aggressive
>> use of cell tower location data.
>
My cell phone isn't the problem. My desktop, tied to Frontier's DSL
>
> If WiFi and GPS are both turned off, the Android location tracking
> doesn't work. So it ain't the cell towers.
>
>> Cell towers are a fairly shaky source for locations, since the tower
>> choice can get bounced around a fair amount depending on a variety of
>> factors such as call load and geography. In addition to the recent
>> court case freeing a woman named Lisa Roberts who was convicted based on
>> cell tower location evidence, the guy convicted in the Serial case
>> recently won the right to appeal and his new attorney has found ATT
>> warnings to investigators that the data for incoming cell calls was
>> unreliable. I don't know if that will be sufficient to overturn his
>> conviction, since other evidence may be considered sufficient, but there
>> are bound to be more cases thrown into question due to overly aggressive
>> use of cell tower location data.
>
modem *is* the problem.
J
John Mc.
Sep 4, 2015, 9:42:46 AM9/4/15
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the Indiana, Michigan area. People in lafayette were happy some years back
when Comcast and Frontier switched areas. Then they discovered how GOOD
they had it with Comcast. Tell you anything? I've been lucky in that I've
lived in the boondocks the last 30 years. And had rural cooperative telcos
as ISPs. . Trust me after having the Local big name co all those years ago
I've never looked back
John Mc.
Peter Boulding
Sep 4, 2015, 11:23:26 AM9/4/15
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On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 13:40:55 +0000 (UTC), John Mc. <Jo...@thetdcogre.com>
wrote in
<1309310243463065913.91...@news.eternal-september.org>:
>> My cell phone isn't the problem. My desktop, tied to Frontier's DSL modem *is* the problem.
Methinks the problem is all the web sites that claim to be able to locate
you when all they've got to go on is the IP that your ISP has currently
assigned to you. This is necessarily forwarded to them by your software
(without it, servers wouldn't know where to send the data you requested).
That unique IP tells them which ISP you use and probably the location of the
gateway to which you're currently connected---that is, in simple terms, the
equipment that currently connects your telco-provided DSL connection to your
ISP's internal network. But that doesn't necessarily tell them much unless
you use a tiny ISP that only serves a small area; neither telcos nor ISPs
want your data to travel via the shortest route to the nearest gateway; they
prefer their equipment to direct your connection via whatever is currently
the most under-utilised (or should that be *least over-utilised*) route,
even if it turns out to be very much longer in geographic terms.
I currently use one of the UK's larger ISPs which provides me with a
non-fixed IP and links to my PC via British Telecom's ADSL network. I live
in the UK West Country, but my ISP has no gateways in that region, so the
so-called location services never in fact place me within a hundred miles on
my home. Usually they think I'm either in Leeds or Sheffield (in the north
east of the UK) or in the London area (south east). It changes from time to
time, as a different gateway is likely to be auto-allocated by
load-balancing algorithms each time I reboot my ADSL router (or power it off
and on again).
[note: ADSL, which most UK users are stuck with whether they like it or not,
is *asymmetric* DSL---which is telcogobbledegookspeak for a DSL connection
in which upload speeds are massively throttled in comparison with download
speeds. I get up to 17Mbps down, but a max of only around 0.9Mbps up.]
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wrote in
<1309310243463065913.91...@news.eternal-september.org>:
>> My cell phone isn't the problem. My desktop, tied to Frontier's DSL modem *is* the problem.
you when all they've got to go on is the IP that your ISP has currently
assigned to you. This is necessarily forwarded to them by your software
(without it, servers wouldn't know where to send the data you requested).
That unique IP tells them which ISP you use and probably the location of the
gateway to which you're currently connected---that is, in simple terms, the
equipment that currently connects your telco-provided DSL connection to your
ISP's internal network. But that doesn't necessarily tell them much unless
you use a tiny ISP that only serves a small area; neither telcos nor ISPs
want your data to travel via the shortest route to the nearest gateway; they
prefer their equipment to direct your connection via whatever is currently
the most under-utilised (or should that be *least over-utilised*) route,
even if it turns out to be very much longer in geographic terms.
I currently use one of the UK's larger ISPs which provides me with a
non-fixed IP and links to my PC via British Telecom's ADSL network. I live
in the UK West Country, but my ISP has no gateways in that region, so the
so-called location services never in fact place me within a hundred miles on
my home. Usually they think I'm either in Leeds or Sheffield (in the north
east of the UK) or in the London area (south east). It changes from time to
time, as a different gateway is likely to be auto-allocated by
load-balancing algorithms each time I reboot my ADSL router (or power it off
and on again).
[note: ADSL, which most UK users are stuck with whether they like it or not,
is *asymmetric* DSL---which is telcogobbledegookspeak for a DSL connection
in which upload speeds are massively throttled in comparison with download
speeds. I get up to 17Mbps down, but a max of only around 0.9Mbps up.]
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Fractal Images and Music: http://www.pboulding.co.uk/
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=794240&content=music
Peter Boulding
Sep 4, 2015, 11:36:51 AM9/4/15
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On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 16:23:59 +0100, Peter Boulding
<pjbn...@UNSPAMpboulding.co.uk> wrote in
<2fajua9oo46dv6409...@4ax.com>:
>On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 13:40:55 +0000 (UTC), John Mc. <Jo...@thetdcogre.com>
>wrote in
><1309310243463065913.91...@news.eternal-september.org>:
>
>>> My cell phone isn't the problem. My desktop, tied to Frontier's DSL modem *is* the problem.
Oops. fucked up attributions again. My previous reply should have been to
Jeff, not John. Sorry.
<pjbn...@UNSPAMpboulding.co.uk> wrote in
<2fajua9oo46dv6409...@4ax.com>:
>On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 13:40:55 +0000 (UTC), John Mc. <Jo...@thetdcogre.com>
>wrote in
><1309310243463065913.91...@news.eternal-september.org>:
>
>>> My cell phone isn't the problem. My desktop, tied to Frontier's DSL modem *is* the problem.
Jeff, not John. Sorry.
art...@yahoo.com
Sep 4, 2015, 12:06:10 PM9/4/15
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On Thursday, September 3, 2015 at 7:23:35 AM UTC-4, Jeff Green wrote:
> I'm not, but Frontier says I am.
That must be jarring.
> I'm not, but Frontier says I am.
peterjc...@gmail.com
Sep 4, 2015, 12:15:02 PM9/4/15
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Greg Goss
Sep 4, 2015, 12:30:12 PM9/4/15
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Peter Boulding <pjbn...@UNSPAMpboulding.co.uk> wrote:
>[note: ADSL, which most UK users are stuck with whether they like it or not,
>is *asymmetric* DSL---which is telcogobbledegookspeak for a DSL connection
>in which upload speeds are massively throttled in comparison with download
>speeds. I get up to 17Mbps down, but a max of only around 0.9Mbps up.]
Not so much "throttled" as "allocated". If you have a total capacity
>[note: ADSL, which most UK users are stuck with whether they like it or not,
>is *asymmetric* DSL---which is telcogobbledegookspeak for a DSL connection
>in which upload speeds are massively throttled in comparison with download
>speeds. I get up to 17Mbps down, but a max of only around 0.9Mbps up.]
of 18 Mbps, it makes more sense to you as a customer to max out the
"down" side of the allocations.
Mine is throttled. My ISP also provides my cable TV, and the TV needs
vastly more bandwidth than I'm willing to pay for on the internet
side. So I have a 17 Mbps "down" connection, but am only paying for 3
of that if the TVs are off. If I go to a speed test, the speed ramps
up to 15 Mbps or so then abruptly chops back to 3. It looks like they
allow three second or so bursts through before pulling the throttle.
I remember meeting someone once. A year or so back I had explained to
him that ISDN stood for "It Still Does Nothing". So the next time he
met me he asked if it still did nothing. I told him that ISDN was
stalled out and everyone was switching to ADSL. So he asked me what
ADSL stood for and I was quite proud to come up with "Any Darn Set of
Letters" without a pause.
Hactar
Sep 4, 2015, 2:08:04 PM9/4/15
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In article <265d7634-264f-473f...@googlegroups.com>,
You're on the Ball.
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John Mc.
Sep 4, 2015, 2:19:11 PM9/4/15
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Hactar <ebenZ...@verizon.net> wrote:
> In article <265d7634-264f-473f...@googlegroups.com>,
> art...@yahoo.com <art...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Thursday, September 3, 2015 at 7:23:35 AM UTC-4, Jeff Green wrote:
>>> I'm not, but Frontier says I am.
>>
>> That must be jarring.
>
> You're on the Ball.
Well, you Sure-Jell aren't where you're supposed to be.
> In article <265d7634-264f-473f...@googlegroups.com>,
> art...@yahoo.com <art...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Thursday, September 3, 2015 at 7:23:35 AM UTC-4, Jeff Green wrote:
>>> I'm not, but Frontier says I am.
>>
>> That must be jarring.
>
> You're on the Ball.
John Mc.
Bill Turlock
Sep 4, 2015, 2:33:48 PM9/4/15
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On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 16:23:59 +0100, Peter Boulding
<pjbn...@UNSPAMpboulding.co.uk> wrote:
>[note: ADSL, which most UK users are stuck with whether they like it or not,
>is *asymmetric* DSL---which is telcogobbledegookspeak for a DSL connection
>in which upload speeds are massively throttled in comparison with download
>speeds. I get up to 17Mbps down, but a max of only around 0.9Mbps up.]
I have come to talk of many things
>[note: ADSL, which most UK users are stuck with whether they like it or not,
>is *asymmetric* DSL---which is telcogobbledegookspeak for a DSL connection
>in which upload speeds are massively throttled in comparison with download
>speeds. I get up to 17Mbps down, but a max of only around 0.9Mbps up.]
Of FEXT and NEXT
and data streams
Of bits and bytes
and troglodytes...
Peter Boulding
Sep 4, 2015, 3:06:23 PM9/4/15
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On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 10:29:58 -0600, Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote in
<d4tv8h...@mid.individual.net>:
>>[note: ADSL, which most UK users are stuck with whether they like it or not,
>>is *asymmetric* DSL---which is telcogobbledegookspeak for a DSL connection
>>in which upload speeds are massively throttled in comparison with download
>>speeds. I get up to 17Mbps down, but a max of only around 0.9Mbps up.]
>
>Not so much "throttled" as "allocated". If you have a total capacity
>of 18 Mbps, it makes more sense to you as a customer to max out the
>"down" side of the allocations.
Within reason[1]. The most noticeable increase in download speeds I have yet
experienced occurred when my ISP decided to remove an internally-imposed
445Kbps *upload* limitation, thereby effectively doubling upload capacity:
this resulted in download servers receiving more adequately timely responses
from my PC--of the "OK, got those packets; send me some more"
variety--during downloads. (And you can imagine how bad it got--and for how
long--when I was attempting to send an e-mail containing several meg of JPGs
at the same time.
[1] Assuming, of course, that you don't mind how many dawn choruses you
experience while uploading your music files to soundclick or your videos to
youtube, or whatever.
<d4tv8h...@mid.individual.net>:
>>[note: ADSL, which most UK users are stuck with whether they like it or not,
>>is *asymmetric* DSL---which is telcogobbledegookspeak for a DSL connection
>>in which upload speeds are massively throttled in comparison with download
>>speeds. I get up to 17Mbps down, but a max of only around 0.9Mbps up.]
>
>Not so much "throttled" as "allocated". If you have a total capacity
>of 18 Mbps, it makes more sense to you as a customer to max out the
>"down" side of the allocations.
experienced occurred when my ISP decided to remove an internally-imposed
445Kbps *upload* limitation, thereby effectively doubling upload capacity:
this resulted in download servers receiving more adequately timely responses
from my PC--of the "OK, got those packets; send me some more"
variety--during downloads. (And you can imagine how bad it got--and for how
long--when I was attempting to send an e-mail containing several meg of JPGs
at the same time.
[1] Assuming, of course, that you don't mind how many dawn choruses you
experience while uploading your music files to soundclick or your videos to
youtube, or whatever.
Charles Bishop
Sep 4, 2015, 4:47:15 PM9/4/15
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Rick B.
Sep 4, 2015, 6:26:54 PM9/4/15
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John Mc. <Jo...@thetdcogre.com> wrote in news:1200676269463083427.595738John-
thetdco...@news.eternal-september.org:
Are you Certo about that?
thetdco...@news.eternal-september.org:
John Mc.
Sep 4, 2015, 6:32:44 PM9/4/15
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John Mc.
Kerr Mudd-John
Sep 5, 2015, 4:57:14 PM9/5/15
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On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 16:23:59 +0100, Peter Boulding
<pjbn...@unspampboulding.co.uk> wrote:
[]
> [note: ADSL, which most UK users are stuck with whether they like it or
> not,
> is *asymmetric* DSL---which is telcogobbledegookspeak for a DSL
> connection
> in which upload speeds are massively throttled in comparison with
> download
> speeds. I get up to 17Mbps down, but a max of only around 0.9Mbps up.]
>
You're loocky. We 'ave 3.8Mbps. When I were a lad, we had nobut a 300baud
> not,
> is *asymmetric* DSL---which is telcogobbledegookspeak for a DSL
> connection
> in which upload speeds are massively throttled in comparison with
> download
> speeds. I get up to 17Mbps down, but a max of only around 0.9Mbps up.]
>
modem. But you try tellin ther kids todae that!
--
Bah, and indeed, Humbug
Kerr Mudd-John
Sep 5, 2015, 5:00:27 PM9/5/15
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On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 02:41:38 +0100, Jeff Green <jeffin...@gmail.com>
wrote:
YA Dave Dee Micky Dozy Sneezy and Titch, AICM5UKP
>
> I must not fear...
>
> J
Still stuck in that suit are you Mr Fremen?
wrote:
>
> I must not fear...
>
> J
Peter Boulding
Sep 5, 2015, 9:16:37 PM9/5/15
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On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 22:00:25 +0100, "Kerr Mudd-John" <ad...@127.0.0.1> wrote
in <op.x4icm...@dell3100.workgroup>:
>YA Dave Dee Micky Dozy Sneezy and Titch, AICM5UKP
<irrelevant aside>
My Gibson ES330 is ex-Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich.
in <op.x4icm...@dell3100.workgroup>:
>YA Dave Dee Micky Dozy Sneezy and Titch, AICM5UKP
My Gibson ES330 is ex-Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich.
Kerr Mudd-John
Sep 6, 2015, 10:51:57 AM9/6/15
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On Sun, 06 Sep 2015 02:17:02 +0100, Peter Boulding
<pjbn...@unspampboulding.co.uk> wrote:
> On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 22:00:25 +0100, "Kerr Mudd-John" <ad...@127.0.0.1>
> wrote
> in <op.x4icm...@dell3100.workgroup>:
>
>> YA Dave Dee Micky Dozy Sneezy and Titch, AICM5UKP
>
> <irrelevant aside>
> My Gibson ES330 is ex-Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich.
>
Wow!
<pjbn...@unspampboulding.co.uk> wrote:
> On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 22:00:25 +0100, "Kerr Mudd-John" <ad...@127.0.0.1>
> wrote
> in <op.x4icm...@dell3100.workgroup>:
>
>> YA Dave Dee Micky Dozy Sneezy and Titch, AICM5UKP
>
> <irrelevant aside>
> My Gibson ES330 is ex-Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich.
>
Jeff Green
Sep 8, 2015, 7:35:41 AM9/8/15
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> Hello,
>
> Your IP address is assigned for your equipment, and is not controllable in the
> way that you want. This is a limitation on geo-location using IP, and is not a
> service that is provided by Frontier. This isn't something that can be
> repaired, because it is not something that is broken, or something that can be
> changed.
>
> Sincerely,
> Robert V
So, they assign my modem and IP address in Muskegon, MI which is 60
miles away and then tell me they can't change it, it's not their fault
and it's not broken.
I am so confused.
J
John Mc.
Sep 8, 2015, 7:49:42 AM9/8/15
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John Mc.
S. Checker
Sep 8, 2015, 11:00:08 AM9/8/15
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Jeff Green <jeffin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> So, they assign my modem and IP address in Muskegon, MI which is 60
> miles away and then tell me they can't change it, it's not their fault
> and it's not broken.
The they that did the thing you want fixed aren't the they that you
> So, they assign my modem and IP address in Muskegon, MI which is 60
> miles away and then tell me they can't change it, it's not their fault
> and it's not broken.
want to fix it. Those they can't change the thing you want changed, and
the other they can't fix the thing you want fixed because the first
they can't change the thing you want changed.
Personally, every time my location is misidentified I'm happy because
it means that Skynet is going to go looking for me in Cherry Hill while
I'm hiding in King of Prussia.
curl http://ipinfo.io/2xx.xxx.xx.xx4
{
"ip": "2xx.xxx.xx.xx4",
"hostname": "obfuscated",
"city": "Fairport",
"region": "New York",
"country": "US",
"loc": "43.0987,-77.4419",
"org": "ASxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx",
"postal": "14450",
"phone": "585"
Sweet.
--
Chick soccer just got more popular than guy soccer because of
God's Will and every woman's latent bisexuality.
-- GeG on organized sports
Greg Goss
Sep 8, 2015, 3:43:35 PM9/8/15
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Jeff Green <jeffin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>This, from Frontier:
>> Your IP address is assigned for your equipment, and is not controllable in the
>> way that you want. This is a limitation on geo-location using IP, and is not a
>> service that is provided by Frontier. This isn't something that can be
>> repaired, because it is not something that is broken, or something that can be
>> changed.
>
your computer. It was never intended to geolocate. People have added
geo-location where possible, but that's not a necessary requirement of
providing IP service.
>This, from Frontier:
>> Your IP address is assigned for your equipment, and is not controllable in the
>> way that you want. This is a limitation on geo-location using IP, and is not a
>> service that is provided by Frontier. This isn't something that can be
>> repaired, because it is not something that is broken, or something that can be
>> changed.
>
>So, they assign my modem and IP address in Muskegon, MI which is 60
>miles away and then tell me they can't change it, it's not their fault
>and it's not broken.
>
>I am so confused.
It's not broken. The IP address is intended to allow data to get to
>miles away and then tell me they can't change it, it's not their fault
>and it's not broken.
>
>I am so confused.
your computer. It was never intended to geolocate. People have added
geo-location where possible, but that's not a necessary requirement of
providing IP service.
Xho Jingleheimerschmidt
Sep 8, 2015, 8:42:37 PM9/8/15
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to the every Tom, Dick, and Harry throughout the known universe, and
they think it is not.
If you want to broadcast your own location, turn on your own browser's
geolocation service. First installing a browser that has one, if that
is necessary.
Xho
Jeff Green
Sep 8, 2015, 9:42:45 PM9/8/15
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On 9/8/2015 10:22 AM, S. Checker wrote:
> Jeff Green <jeffin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> So, they assign my modem and IP address in Muskegon, MI which is 60
>> miles away and then tell me they can't change it, it's not their fault
>> and it's not broken.
>
> The they that did the thing you want fixed aren't the they that you
> want to fix it. Those they can't change the thing you want changed, and
> the other they can't fix the thing you want fixed because the first
> they can't change the thing you want changed.
>
> Personally, every time my location is misidentified I'm happy because
> it means that Skynet is going to go looking for me in Cherry Hill while
> I'm hiding in King of Prussia.
>
> curl http://ipinfo.io/2xx.xxx.xx.xx4
> {
> "ip": "2xx.xxx.xx.xx4",
> "hostname": "obfuscated",
> "city": "Fairport",
> "region": "New York",
> "country": "US",
> "loc": "43.0987,-77.4419",
> "org": "ASxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx",
> "postal": "14450",
> "phone": "585"
>
> Sweet.
>
Yeah but it's making it hard for me to get laid.
> Jeff Green <jeffin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> So, they assign my modem and IP address in Muskegon, MI which is 60
>> miles away and then tell me they can't change it, it's not their fault
>> and it's not broken.
>
> The they that did the thing you want fixed aren't the they that you
> want to fix it. Those they can't change the thing you want changed, and
> the other they can't fix the thing you want fixed because the first
> they can't change the thing you want changed.
>
> Personally, every time my location is misidentified I'm happy because
> it means that Skynet is going to go looking for me in Cherry Hill while
> I'm hiding in King of Prussia.
>
> curl http://ipinfo.io/2xx.xxx.xx.xx4
> {
> "ip": "2xx.xxx.xx.xx4",
> "hostname": "obfuscated",
> "city": "Fairport",
> "region": "New York",
> "country": "US",
> "loc": "43.0987,-77.4419",
> "org": "ASxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx",
> "postal": "14450",
> "phone": "585"
>
> Sweet.
>
J
Jeff Green
Sep 8, 2015, 9:43:42 PM9/8/15
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But when they first set me up I was *here* and that's not something some
other company changed, that's something Frontier changed.
J
Bill Turlock
Sep 8, 2015, 10:48:28 PM9/8/15
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On Tue, 8 Sep 2015 21:43:05 -0400, Jeff Green <jeffin...@gmail.com>
wrote:
All the more difficult for the PTB to find you, m'dear.
wrote:
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