Chocolate
Charles A Lieberman
chocolate and romance. I thought it was to do with phenylethylalamine,
and that it was a biochemical thing. Am I wrong?
And if I am, does anyone know of any other aphrodisiacs I can offer
female classmates?
--
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Brooklyn, New York, USA |
http://calieber.tripod.com/ cali...@bigfoot.com
The AFCA Kid
>And if I am, does anyone know of any other aphrodisiacs I can offer
>female classmates?
Impeccable personal hygenie and all around good grooming, not to mention
money, or at least the exterior signs of such. A certain proclivity for danger,
they like that, too.
--
"Impeach duh-be-yuh"
Carl Fink
Lieberman wrote:
> CNN just told me that the English created the association between
> chocolate and romance. I thought it was to do with phenylethylalamine,
> and that it was a biochemical thing. Am I wrong?
Yes. The amount of phenylethylamine in chocolate isn't high enough
to account for any neurological effect, even if it were all taken up
by the intestines and transported unchanged across the blood-brain
barrier.
You're remembering a real scientific speculation from several years
ago, but it turned out to make no sense.
See http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a2_227.html.
> And if I am, does anyone know of any other aphrodisiacs I can offer
> female classmates?
Tiffany.
--
Carl Fink ca...@dm.net
I-Con's Science and Technology Programming
<http://www.iconsf.org/>
Lalbert1
>
>CNN just told me that the English created the association between
>chocolate and romance. I thought it was to do with phenylethylalamine,
>and that it was a biochemical thing. Am I wrong?
>
>And if I am, does anyone know of any other aphrodisiacs I can offer
>female classmates?
"Candy is dandy,
But liquor is quicker" - Ogden Nash
Les
RM Mentock
Put this all together, and you come out licking your eyebrows
--
RM Mentock
C. K. Monet, c'est moi
Kevin O'Neill
<cali...@bigfoot.co.m> wrote:
>CNN just told me that the English created the association between
>chocolate and romance. I thought it was to do with phenylethylalamine,
>and that it was a biochemical thing. Am I wrong?
>
>And if I am, does anyone know of any other aphrodisiacs I can offer
>female classmates?
I have an adventure-prone friend from college who assures me that
viagra is effective on both sexes at the 'parties' she attends. It's
there, it's real, it's cheap. Now you just have to get a female
classmate to take it. Of course, if she'll take it, she probably
intends to sleep with you anyway...
Kevin
Bill Diamond
alt.fan.cecil-adams back on Mon, 22 Jul 2002 00:57:12 GMT that ...
What kind of any orgy requires Viagra? Are you sure they wouldn't
really prefer to watch vacation slides or play Canasta? Are they just
randomly playing hump the hostess to be polite?
In my day, if you went to an orgy you made sure everyone knew you
apprecaited the invitation!
Bill "Miss Orgy Manners"
The AFCA Kid
>Good old K_S_O...@yahoo.com (Kevin O'Neill) wrote in
>alt.fan.cecil-adams back on Mon, 22 Jul 2002 00:57:12 GMT that ...
>>On Sun, 21 Jul 2002 21:58:23 GMT, Charles A Lieberman
>><cali...@bigfoot.co.m> wrote:
>>
>>>CNN just told me that the English created the association between
>>>chocolate and romance. I thought it was to do with phenylethylalamine,
>>>and that it was a biochemical thing. Am I wrong?
>>>
>>>And if I am, does anyone know of any other aphrodisiacs I can offer
>>>female classmates?
>>
>>I have an adventure-prone friend from college who assures me that
>>viagra is effective on both sexes at the 'parties' she attends. It's
>>there, it's real, it's cheap. Now you just have to get a female
>>classmate to take it. Of course, if she'll take it, she probably
>>intends to sleep with you anyway...
>>
>>Kevin
>
>What kind of any orgy requires Viagra?
One where manyt of the participants have used MDMA, etc.
Also, despite what Kevin's friend says, apparently viagra is ineffective on
women, as:
http://www.usrf.org/breakingnews/viagra-women2000.html
Of course, I expect Kev to come back with another ad hominem.
>Bill "Miss Orgy Manners"
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
"Impeach duh-be-yuh"
Charles A Lieberman
<20020721182346...@mb-fb.aol.com>
> Impeccable personal hygenie and all around good grooming, not to mention
>money, or at least the exterior signs of such.
It's law school. We *all* have exterior signs of (future) money.
Kevin O'Neill
Kid) wrote:
>Bill Diamond bi...@nospambilldiamond.com writes:
>
>>Good old K_S_O...@yahoo.com (Kevin O'Neill) wrote in
>>alt.fan.cecil-adams back on Mon, 22 Jul 2002 00:57:12 GMT that ...
>>>On Sun, 21 Jul 2002 21:58:23 GMT, Charles A Lieberman
>>><cali...@bigfoot.co.m> wrote:
>>>
>>>>CNN just told me that the English created the association between
>>>>chocolate and romance. I thought it was to do with phenylethylalamine,
>>>>and that it was a biochemical thing. Am I wrong?
>>>>
>>>>And if I am, does anyone know of any other aphrodisiacs I can offer
>>>>female classmates?
>>>
>>>I have an adventure-prone friend from college who assures me that
>>>viagra is effective on both sexes at the 'parties' she attends. It's
>>>there, it's real, it's cheap. Now you just have to get a female
>>>classmate to take it. Of course, if she'll take it, she probably
>>>intends to sleep with you anyway...
>>>
>>>Kevin
>>
>>What kind of any orgy requires Viagra?
>
>One where manyt of the participants have used MDMA, etc.
She claims they've improved markedly since the little blue guys came
along. No more anxiety based failures, no need for her to pat some
guy on the back and tell him it's ok while the party roars on in the
next room.
> Also, despite what Kevin's friend says, apparently viagra is ineffective on
>women, as:
>
>http://www.usrf.org/breakingnews/viagra-women2000.html
On the other hand,
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/living/DailyNews/viagrawomen_050499.html
Says she's right. Hell, I have no idea.
> Of course, I expect Kev to come back with another ad hominem.
You can't be right, you smell like a rancid poodle.
Though I think that's my first, isn't it?
Hey, did you ever explain how all the other great philosophers in
history came up with different conclusions regarding god's existence
than you did?
Kevin
The AFCA Kid
>The AFCA Kid 21 Jul 2002 22:23:46 GMT
><20020721182346...@mb-fb.aol.com>
>> Impeccable personal hygenie and all around good grooming, not to mention
>>money, or at least the exterior signs of such.
>
>It's law school.
Okay, so some of you are pasty, schlubby grinds.
>We *all* have exterior signs of (future) money.
the vast majority of the nation's lawyers, while certainly living comfortable
middle class existences of relative ease and comfort, aren't really what you'd
call rich, either, or at least not sufficiently so to overcome being pasty and
schlubby.
--
"Impeach duh-be-yuh"
RM Mentock
> Also, despite what Kevin's friend says, apparently viagra is ineffective on
> women, as:
>
> http://www.usrf.org/breakingnews/viagra-women2000.html
>
> Of course, I expect Kev to come back with another ad hominem.
Then, it's ineffective on men, too
The AFCA Kid
>>>What kind of any orgy requires Viagra?
>>
>>One where manyt of the participants have used MDMA, etc.
>
>She claims they've improved markedly since the little blue guys came
>along. No more anxiety based failures, no need for her to pat some
>guy on the back and tell him it's ok while the party roars on in the
>next room.
Yes, no one's disputing Viagra works well on men, and in fact is apparently
popular among otherwise healthy people to overcome the effects of various more
or less exotic drugs.
>> Also, despite what Kevin's friend says, apparently viagra is ineffective on
>>women, as:
>>
>>http://www.usrf.org/breakingnews/viagra-women2000.html
>
>On the other hand,
>
>http://abcnews.go.com/sections/living/DailyNews/viagrawomen_050499.html
One small study and one study with dodgy controls, conducted by the same
researcher say it works, while meanwhile...
.
" In March a team at Columbia Presbyterian Center in New York found that
Viagra has no more of an effect in women than a dummy pill would.
But Dr. Steven Kaplan, the urologist who led the study, agreed his
patients may not have been optimal Viagra patients, because many had emotional
or psychological problems.
For women, Viagra may not be the universal answer that the little blue
pills can be for men, Berman said. Even if it takes care of their physical
symptoms, it may not solve their problems.
Sex is simply more emotional for a woman, she said. “Although there are
physiological, medical reasons why women have sexual complaints, there are
emotional and relational consequences to sexual dysfunction that are relevant
to women,” Berman added. "
>
>Says she's right.
Well, not exactly.
> Hell, I have no idea.
It's not the first time, either.
>
>> Of course, I expect Kev to come back with another ad hominem.
>
>You can't be right, you smell like a rancid poodle.
>
>Though I think that's my first, isn't it?
No, I was particularly unimpressed with your response to the information about
the studies done on vouchers at the AFT site. You need something better than
"those guys make stuff up." Competing studies, and more of them, or
methodological criticism.
Meanwhile, I see a new thing that says even charter schools deliver less than
they promise, and mostly things they were supposed to overcome.
>
>Hey, did you ever explain how all the other great philosophers in
>history came up with different conclusions regarding god's existence
>than you did?
The majority of modern philosophers have tended towards atheism, of course.
Did you ever answer my question about whether it takes more faith, or just as
much faith, to believe in transubstantiation? I mean, you can't prove there are
two miracles going on there, but why not just believe things are as they seem?
--
"Impeach duh-be-yuh"
D.F. Manno
wrote:
> I have an adventure-prone friend from college who assures me that
> viagra is effective on both sexes at the 'parties' she attends. It's
> there, it's real, it's cheap.
Cheap? At $10 a pop? I wish I had your cash flow.
--
D.F. "and your friends" Manno
domm...@netscape.net
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." (Benjamin Franklin)
Barbara
>> viagra is effective on both sexes at the 'parties' she attends.
Huh. I've taken Viagra a few times out of curiosity and it didn't do anything
for me.
Barbara -
"I've got something inside me
Not what my life's about
Cause I've been letting my outside tide me
Over 'til my time runs out."
Taxi
Harry Chapin
Carl Fink
wrote:
> Huh. I've taken Viagra a few times out of curiosity and it didn't do anything
> for me.
It doesn't work on every man, either, and it seemingly only works on
men who have erectile problems in the first place.
More to the point, if the women at these parties *think* it works, it
gives them a fine excuse to be uninhibited. You could probably use
blue M&Ms and they'd work if people thought they were Viagra.
Kevin O'Neill
Kid) wrote:
See, the thing is, all this is research on women with sexual
dysfunctions, with viagra used as a medication. What I was describing
was vaigra used as an aphrodesiac, ie, health women taking it to
enhance sexual experiences. Maybe that works, maybe not, maybe only
for some women, who knows. You're not going to find a study on it.
In the above, though, the line "Even if it takes care of their
physical symptoms, it may not solve their problems" leads me to think
it does indeed have a physical effect, which is what I'm talking
about. But I'm just arguing based on heresay, I'm not married to it.
>>Says she's right.
>
> Well, not exactly.
>
>> Hell, I have no idea.
>
>It's not the first time, either.
When I don't know, I say I don't know. You should try it.
>>> Of course, I expect Kev to come back with another ad hominem.
>>
>>You can't be right, you smell like a rancid poodle.
>>
>>Though I think that's my first, isn't it?
>
> No, I was particularly unimpressed with your response to the information about
>the studies done on vouchers at the AFT site. You need something better than
>"those guys make stuff up." Competing studies, and more of them, or
>methodological criticism.
I'm not spending precious hours of my youth tracking down the details
of an AFT study. I don't care enough. They wouldn't support vouchers
if vouchers turned every child into a shining light in the darkness.
But sure, methodological crit, here you go: Standardized tests as a
tool to measure improvement among underachiving kids suck. You need
to do in-class observation of teachers and measure time on task,
adherence to best practices, that sort of thing. Measuring teaching
or schools by standardized testing is like evaluating doctors in an
intensive care unit based on daily vital signs measurements. In each
case, there are things the doctor/teacher can do to improve the 'test'
scores which are not in the best interests of the patient/student. I
don't think it happens much in medicine, since that's not how doctors
are evaluated, but it does happen in education.
> Meanwhile, I see a new thing that says even charter schools deliver less than
>they promise, and mostly things they were supposed to overcome.
Well, that's a hell of a cite.
>>Hey, did you ever explain how all the other great philosophers in
>>history came up with different conclusions regarding god's existence
>>than you did?
>
> The majority of modern philosophers have tended towards atheism, of course.
Really? But, you know, I bet most of the guys in the Monty Python
song believed in god, huh? So, how dumb were they? Or is there some
new evidence? I mean, surely it's not something as ephemperal as
modern society being more agnostic or athiestic, and them just
parroting back what they soaked up in uni. This is logic, right?
What was wrong with the reasoning of the old guys, so that you and all
the cool new young guys have been able to correct them?
>Did you ever answer my question about whether it takes more faith, or just as
>much faith, to believe in transubstantiation? I mean, you can't prove there are
>two miracles going on there, but why not just believe things are as they seem?
I wasn't arguing about that. People who thing they get a bit of
Jesus-meat there on the tounge are deeply into a world of thier own,
and I'm not interested in the convoluted logic they take to get there.
What I was saying was that you have to claim the lack of existence of
god, just as Opus has to claim the existence, as an axiom. His fits
his world, yours fits yours. All your 'more faith, less faith' stuff
is to hide the fact that you claim to know, and you merely assume.
Here, I'll spell it out slowly for you:
I don't think there's a god. You don't think there's a god. Opus
thinks there's a god.
Opus says, "I know god exists!" That's faith, a claim of knowledge
without proof.
You say, "I know he don't!" See above.
Nobody knows. How hard is this, anyway? Sheesh. All your fussing
about the details of what some people do or don't do is blurring the
issue, and isn't on the main point of the existence of some kind of
god. About which, as I may have said, you don't know.
Kevin
Estron
> It doesn't work on every man, either, and it seemingly only
> works on men who have erectile problems in the first place.
In the interest of saving time, money, and dangerously high
expectations, I have an explanation of Viagra's function,
simplified to the point of being simplistic.
The drug helps impotent men achieve and maintain erections by
suppressing the effect of an enzyme that breaks down the body
chemical chiefly responsible for causing erections. This is a
sort of double negative, and requires an illustration.
The erection-causing substance is called cyclic GMP, and is only
secreted during sexual arousal, while the breakdown enzyme,
named PDE-5, is always present.
Picture a man's system as a sink, with a faucet, a basin, and a
drain. When a man is sexually stimulated, the body produces
cyclic GMP, which is like turning on the faucet. PDE-5 acts
like an open drain to this sink. But, if the faucet's flowing
fast enough, the basin will fill up even if the drain is open.
When the basin fills up, the penis is erect. Once he achieves
orgasm (by, one hopes, obtaining satisfaction), the "faucet"
shuts off, the basin drains, and typically he either lights a
cigarette or rolls over and fall asleep.
Men who have potency problems are not producing enough cyclic
GMP to keep their "sinks" filled up; their "faucets" are not
open far enough or flowing fast enough. Viagra works by
suppressing the effect of PDE-5 -- metaphorically, not to open
up the faucet, but to close the sink's drain, thus allowing an
erection even if the body's faucet is producing a modest flow --
or perhaps even a trickle.
And Viagra doesn't make the basin of a man's sink any larger.
The penis can only handle a certain amount of cyclic GMP. Once
the basin is full, any further accumulation will be lost over
the rim. So a normally-functioning man won't have his sexual
performance enhanced with Viagra -- once the faucet shuts down,
the erection will subside, although it might take longer to do.
--
All opinions expressed are only that.
Pax vobiscum
est...@tfs.net
Kansas City, Missouri
Lalbert1
writes:
>In article <20020722085019...@mb-ct.aol.com>, Barbara
>wrote:
>
>> Huh. I've taken Viagra a few times out of curiosity and it didn't do
>anything
>> for me.
>It doesn't work on every man, either, and it seemingly only works on
>men who have erectile problems in the first place.
>
>More to the point, if the women at these parties *think* it works, it
>gives them a fine excuse to be uninhibited. You could probably use
>blue M&Ms and they'd work if people thought they were Viagra.
Even if mistaken for Viagra, the blue M&Ms don't work. You have to use the new
color M&M.
Les
Lalbert1
writes:
>In the interest of saving time, money, and dangerously high
>expectations, I have an explanation of Viagra's function,
>simplified to the point of being simplistic.
>The drug helps impotent men achieve and maintain erections by
>suppressing the effect of an enzyme that breaks down the body
>chemical chiefly responsible for causing erections. This is a
>sort of double negative, and requires an illustration.
>The erection-causing substance is called cyclic GMP, and is only
>secreted during sexual arousal, while the breakdown enzyme,
>named PDE-5, is always present.
You're taking all the fun out of it. Old style conversation:
She: What's that you're taking?
He: It's Viagra. It will make me like a porn star, and provide you with an
unforgettable experience.
She: Wow, let's do it!!!! Now!!!
-------------------------------------------------------------------
New, informed, AFCA style conversation:
She: What's that you're taking?
He: It's Viagra. It will help me achieve and maintain an erection by
suppressing the effect of an enzyme that breaks down the body chemical chiefly
responsible for causing erections. The erection-causing substance is called
cyclic GMP, and is only secreted during sexual arousal, while the breakdown
enzyme, named PDE-5, is always present.
She: Never mind.
Les
John Hatpin
>You're taking all the fun out of it. Old style conversation:
>
>She: What's that you're taking?
>
>He: It's Viagra. It will make me like a porn star, and provide you with an
>unforgettable experience.
>
>She: Wow, let's do it!!!! Now!!!
>-------------------------------------------------------------------
>New, informed, AFCA style conversation:
>
>She: What's that you're taking?
>
>He: It's Viagra. It will help me achieve and maintain an erection by
>suppressing the effect of an enzyme that breaks down the body chemical chiefly
>responsible for causing erections. The erection-causing substance is called
>cyclic GMP, and is only secreted during sexual arousal, while the breakdown
>enzyme, named PDE-5, is always present.
>
>She: Never mind.
You do what I do, but you do it much, much better, Les. For that, I
thank you (and all the other people that make AFCA "sticky").
--
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I thought it was the green ones.
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Boron Elgar
"Sticky"? Is this an endorsement for Viagra?
Boron
John Hatpin
That's a hard question.
--
John Hatpin
GrapeApe
>GMP to keep their "sinks" filled up; their "faucets" are not
>open far enough or flowing fast enough. Viagra works by
>suppressing the effect of PDE-5 -- metaphorically, not to open
>up the faucet, but to close the sink's drain, thus allowing an
>erection even if the body's faucet is producing a modest flow --
>or perhaps even a trickle.
This sounds like a recipe for priapism. What do you do for liquid plumber?
Lalbert1
<ag...@brooREMOVEMEkview.karoo.co.uk> writes:
A tip of the hat and a smile. Your recent vignette of the parking space in the
desert was outstanding, as is much of your other stuff.
All together now, following the bouncing ball:
"We belong to a mutual,
Admiration society ......"
Les
chris greville
"Lalbert1" <lalb...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20020722141200...@mb-ci.aol.com...
Damn, youv'e found one of my guilty pleasures, The Italian Job.
One of my favourites.
Chris "Not a lot of people know that" Greville
>
Boron Elgar
<ag...@brooREMOVEMEkview.karoo.co.uk> wrote:
And are you up to answering it?
Boron
chris greville
"StarChaser Tyger" <starc...@mindless.com> wrote in message
news:cmgojug884ceppba9...@4ax.com...
> >>blue M&Ms and they'd work if people thought they were Viagra.
> >
> >Even if mistaken for Viagra, the blue M&Ms don't work. You have to use
the new
> >color M&M.
>
> I thought it was the green ones.
Hell, it don't matter which colour its, M&M's are all the same, its just the
colour of the food dye that makes them look different.
Chris " And I thought the use of viagra was to prevent you *sleeping* with
your partner" Greville
John Hatpin
I don't know. I'm facing some stiff competition.
--
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Boron Elgar
<ag...@brooREMOVEMEkview.karoo.co.uk> wrote:
Consult with your staff.
Boron
John Hatpin
Them? Nah, they'd just ask for a raise.
--
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Boron Elgar
<ag...@brooREMOVEMEkview.karoo.co.uk> wrote:
And then what? You'll take 'em down a peg?
Boron
chris greville
"Boron Elgar" <boron...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:j2qojuo6rcj3pkmno...@4ax.com...
Chris " Nowadays, oral sex means I just talk about it" Greville
rob...@bestweb.net
I'd thought it worked via a NO2 mechanism.
Kevin O'Neill
Kid) wrote:
See, the thing is, all this is research on women with sexual
dysfunctions, with viagra used as a medication. What I was describing
was vaigra used as an aphrodesiac, ie, health women taking it to
enhance sexual experiences. Maybe that works, maybe not, maybe only
for some women, who knows. You're not going to find a study on it.
In the above, though, the line "Even if it takes care of their
physical symptoms, it may not solve their problems" leads me to think
it does indeed have a physical effect, which is what I'm talking
about. But I'm just arguing based on heresay, I'm not married to it.
>>Says she's right.
>
> Well, not exactly.
>
>> Hell, I have no idea.
>
>It's not the first time, either.
When I don't know, I say I don't know. You should try it.
>>> Of course, I expect Kev to come back with another ad hominem.
>>
>>You can't be right, you smell like a rancid poodle.
>>
>>Though I think that's my first, isn't it?
>
> No, I was particularly unimpressed with your response to the information about
>the studies done on vouchers at the AFT site. You need something better than
>"those guys make stuff up." Competing studies, and more of them, or
>methodological criticism.
I'm not spending precious hours of my youth tracking down the details
of an AFT study. I don't care enough. They wouldn't support vouchers
if vouchers turned every child into a shining light in the darkness.
But sure, methodological crit, here you go: Standardized tests as a
tool to measure improvement among underachiving kids suck. You need
to do in-class observation of teachers and measure time on task,
adherence to best practices, that sort of thing. Measuring teaching
or schools by standardized testing is like evaluating doctors in an
intensive care unit based on daily vital signs measurements. In each
case, there are things the doctor/teacher can do to improve the 'test'
scores which are not in the best interests of the patient/student. I
don't think it happens much in medicine, since that's not how doctors
are evaluated, but it does happen in education.
> Meanwhile, I see a new thing that says even charter schools deliver less than
>they promise, and mostly things they were supposed to overcome.
Well, that's a hell of a cite.
>>Hey, did you ever explain how all the other great philosophers in
>>history came up with different conclusions regarding god's existence
>>than you did?
>
> The majority of modern philosophers have tended towards atheism, of course.
Really? But, you know, I bet most of the guys in the Monty Python
song believed in god, huh? So, how dumb were they? Or is there some
new evidence? I mean, surely it's not something as ephemperal as
modern society being more agnostic or athiestic, and them just
parroting back what they soaked up in uni. This is logic, right?
What was wrong with the reasoning of the old guys, so that you and all
the cool new young guys have been able to correct them?
>Did you ever answer my question about whether it takes more faith, or just as
>much faith, to believe in transubstantiation? I mean, you can't prove there are
>two miracles going on there, but why not just believe things are as they seem?
I wasn't arguing about that. People who thing they get a bit of
John Hatpin
Yes, I'd give them all the sac.
--
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Carl Fink
rob...@bestweb.net wrote:
> I'd no idea, until I read here, that silfenadine was a cGMPase inhibitor.
> I'd thought it worked via a NO2 mechanism.
I'd always heard it as an NO promoter. NO2 is highly toxic.
The NO effect explains why it also works for certain horrific
circulatory problems -- NO controls the smooth muscles around *all*
blood vessels, not just the ones in the penis.
A quick web search finds sources agreeing with both the nitric oxide
and cGMP mechanisms, which is confusing.
This German plant biochemistry source
(http://www.biologie.uni-hamburg.de/lehre/bza/molnews/sildenafil/sildenafil.htm)
seems to imply that cGMP is involved in the action of NO, or vice
versa. It isn't clear.
Okay, this source
(http://www.endocrinesurgeon.co.uk/Erectile/erectile2-4.html)
indicates that the NO acts as a signal to increase cGMP levels. So
the references both of us saw to Viagra acting on the NO system
didn't mean by directly changing NO levels -- the drug operates
further along in the chain of reactions, amplifying the effect of
normal levels of nitric oxide.
And isn't it "sildenafil"?
Lalbert1
>'d no idea, until I read here, that silfenadine was a cGMPase inhibitor.
>I'd thought it worked via a NO2 mechanism.
You will learn stuff here.
Les
groo
>
> In article <596mjuc0t4dtm81vl...@4ax.com>, Charles A
> Lieberman wrote:
>
> > And if I am, does anyone know of any other aphrodisiacs I can offer
> > female classmates?
>
> Tiffany.
Tiffany got really mad when I showed her this.
- groo
groo
>
>
> I wasn't arguing about that. People who thing they get a bit of
> Jesus-meat there on the tounge are deeply into a world of thier own,
> and I'm not interested in the convoluted logic they take to get there.
> What I was saying was that you have to claim the lack of existence of
> god, just as Opus has to claim the existence, as an axiom. His fits
> his world, yours fits yours. All your 'more faith, less faith' stuff
> is to hide the fact that you claim to know, and you merely assume.
I thought the argument was "more faith" vs. "less filling".
- groo
Did I get it wrong again?
StarChaser Tyger
Dude! Put that away!
StarChaser 'But don't take it out in public, or they'll put you in the
dock, and you won't - come - back.' Tyger
Blinky the Shark
> We get signal. What you say? It's lalb...@aol.com (Lalbert1) !
>>Even if mistaken for Viagra, the blue M&Ms don't work. You have
>>to use the new color M&M.
>
> I thought it was the green ones.
Those are the ones that make you (that's the editorial "you")
pregnant.
--
Blinky
StarChaser Tyger
<no....@box.invalid> !
I certainly hope so, tigers don't look good with stretchmarks,
especially THERE.
But when I was a kid, the green ones were allegedly aphrodisiac, even
if I was the only one in the whole school who knew the word...
Bob Ward
<starc...@mindless.com> wrote:
>-:We get signal. What you say? It's Blinky the Shark
>-:<no....@box.invalid> !
>-:
>-:>StarChaser Tyger <starc...@mindless.com> wrote in
>-:>news:cmgojug884ceppba9...@4ax.com:
>-:>
>-:>> We get signal. What you say? It's lalb...@aol.com (Lalbert1) !
>-:>
>-:>>>Even if mistaken for Viagra, the blue M&Ms don't work. You have
>-:>>>to use the new color M&M.
>-:>>
>-:>> I thought it was the green ones.
>-:>
>-:>Those are the ones that make you (that's the editorial "you")
>-:>pregnant.
>-:
>-:I certainly hope so, tigers don't look good with stretchmarks,
>-:especially THERE.
>-:
>-:But when I was a kid, the green ones were allegedly aphrodisiac, even
>-:if I was the only one in the whole school who knew the word...
The rest of the kids thought it would give you bushy hair?
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Boron Elgar
<ag...@brooREMOVEMEkview.karoo.co.uk> wrote:
Aw, nuts!
Boron
John Hatpin
Huh? It's not exactly a hanging offence.
--
John Hatpin
The AFCA Kid
>See, the thing is, all this is research on women with sexual
>dysfunctions, with viagra used as a medication. What I was describing
>was vaigra used as an aphrodesiac, ie, health women taking it to
>enhance sexual experiences. Maybe that works, maybe not, maybe only
>for some women, who knows.
Who knows indeed?
> You're not going to find a study on it.
>In the above, though, the line "Even if it takes care of their
>physical symptoms, it may not solve their problems" leads me to think
>it does indeed have a physical effect, which is what I'm talking
>about.
Well, yes, it presumably does have a physical effect, but does that physical
effect lead to increased arousal?
>>>> Of course, I expect Kev to come back with another ad hominem.
>>>
>>>You can't be right, you smell like a rancid poodle.
>>>
>>>Though I think that's my first, isn't it?
>>
>> No, I was particularly unimpressed with your response to the information
>about
>>the studies done on vouchers at the AFT site. You need something better than
>>"those guys make stuff up." Competing studies, and more of them, or
>>methodological criticism.
>
>I'm not spending precious hours of my youth tracking down the details
>of an AFT study.
Actually, I think it was three or four, mostly conducted independently of the
AFT. That's a pretty good cite, especially if the otherside has nothing.
> I don't care enough. They wouldn't support vouchers
>if vouchers turned every child into a shining light in the darkness.
Yay.
>
>> Meanwhile, I see a new thing that says even charter schools deliver less
>than
>>they promise, and mostly things they were supposed to overcome.
>
>Well, that's a hell of a cite.
Yes, well, it was the AFT. I saw it in Newsweek.
>
>>>Hey, did you ever explain how all the other great philosophers in
>>>history came up with different conclusions regarding god's existence
>>>than you did?
>>
>> The majority of modern philosophers have tended towards atheism, of course.
>
>Really?
Yeah, I think so. or at least concluded there was no real rational basis for
believing in God, once Kant refuted the Ontarg.
> But, you know, I bet most of the guys in the Monty Python
>song believed in god, huh?
Well, let's see...Emmanuel Kant, hmmm...not sure. Obviously, he did as much
for Atheism as anyone other than Darwin. Nietzsche, definitely. Plato,
Aristotle and Socrates were of course pagans, so even if they believed in god,
they didn't believe in God, if you see what I'm after. Descartes apparently did
believe in God. David "he lies, sir" Hume didn't, um...Schopenhauer, atheist,
who else is there?
>So, how dumb were they?
Well, you know, the Ontarg was very convincing until Kant got ahold of it. Not
only that, but it was dangerous to openly confess to atheism for a long period
of time, which surely explains at least part of what Descartes was on about.
> Or is there some
>new evidence? I mean, surely it's not something as ephemperal as
>modern society being more agnostic or athiestic,
That would hardly be ephemeral, of course.
>and them just
>parroting back what they soaked up in uni. This is logic, right?
>What was wrong with the reasoning of the old guys,
Mostly, they thought existence was something more than merely restating the
definition of "existence."
>so that you and all
>the cool new young guys have been able to correct them?
>
>>Did you ever answer my question about whether it takes more faith, or just
>as
>>much faith, to believe in transubstantiation? I mean, you can't prove there
>are
>>two miracles going on there, but why not just believe things are as they
>seem?
>
>I wasn't arguing about that.
Well, yes, you were. You were saying it takes as much faith to disbelieve
something as it does to believe it, if you have no proof it's not that way.
> People who thing they get a bit of
>Jesus-meat there on the tounge are deeply into a world of thier own,
>and I'm not interested in the convoluted logic they take to get there.
>What I was saying was that you have to claim the lack of existence of
>god, just as Opus has to claim the existence, as an axiom.
Nah, I'm not interested in axiomatic reasoning. What's Gwendolyn's line about
metaphysics?
> His fits
>his world, yours fits yours. All your 'more faith, less faith' stuff
>is to hide the fact that you claim to know, and you merely assume.
Well, I assume from the available evidence, or the indication of a relative
lack thereof, you mean.
>Here, I'll spell it out slowly for you:
>
>I don't think there's a god. You don't think there's a god. Opus
>thinks there's a god.
>
>Opus says, "I know god exists!" That's faith, a claim of knowledge
>without proof.
>
>You say, "I know he don't!" See above.
No.
>
>Nobody knows.
I do. There is no God. I mean, duh. What about that skull they dug up, huh?
> How hard is this, anyway? Sheesh. All your fussing
>about the details of what some people do or don't do is blurring the
>issue, and isn't on the main point of the existence of some kind of
>god. About which, as I may have said, you don't know.
so, again, it takes more faith to believe in something there;s actually
evidence against, right? Like with God, I mean?
--
"Impeach duh-be-yuh"
Estron
> I'd no idea, until I read here, that silfenadine was a cGMPase inhibitor.
> I'd thought it worked via a NO2 mechanism.
That would be the anti-Viagra, "Just Say NO2 Sex."
--
All opinions expressed are exactly that.
Pax vobiscum.
est...@tfs.net
Kansas City, Missouri
Greg Goss
>Damn, youv'e found one of my guilty pleasures, The Italian Job.
>One of my favourites.
Hmmm. French, Greek, Brit. Know those references. What's "Italian"?
--
...the oldest story in the history of hegemonic powers. The dominant
power concentrates (to its detriment) on the military; the candidate
for successor concentrates on the economy. (Immanuel Wallerstein)
GrapeApe
>>pregnant.
This brought to mind the image of an editorial cartoon 'everyman'. I think
Herblock always gave him a hat, even after jfk was president. These days, the
editorial 'you' is more likely to look like someone from a farside cartoon.
Lesmond
>We get signal. What you say? It's Blinky the Shark
><no....@box.invalid> !
>
>>StarChaser Tyger <starc...@mindless.com> wrote in
>>news:cmgojug884ceppba9...@4ax.com:
>>
>>> We get signal. What you say? It's lalb...@aol.com (Lalbert1) !
>>
>>>>Even if mistaken for Viagra, the blue M&Ms don't work. You have
>>>>to use the new color M&M.
>>>
>>> I thought it was the green ones.
>>
>>Those are the ones that make you (that's the editorial "you")
>>pregnant.
>
>I certainly hope so, tigers don't look good with stretchmarks,
>especially THERE.
>
>But when I was a kid, the green ones were allegedly aphrodisiac, even
>if I was the only one in the whole school who knew the word...
Yeah, at parties in high school, a bunch of us used to hoarde the green ones.
For some reason we thought it was hilarious.
_
Half-painted pictures are all that remain.
Boron Elgar
<ag...@brooREMOVEMEkview.karoo.co.uk> wrote:
As they say in New Hampshire..."Live Free or Die."
Boron
John Hatpin
And they say that whilst cocking their weapons?
--
John Hatpin
Boron Elgar
<ag...@brooREMOVEMEkview.karoo.co.uk> wrote:
Thundersticks, John....thundersticks.
Boron
StarChaser Tyger
<ag...@brooREMOVEMEkview.karoo.co.uk> !
And standing up proudly.
John Hatpin
No. That word's hard-on the ear.
--
John Hatpin
SoCalMike
"StarChaser Tyger" <starc...@mindless.com> wrote in message
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i really wanna say snuh here, can i? ok... snuh!
Gary S. Callison
:
: "StarChaser Tyger" <starc...@mindless.com> wrote in message
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: > We get signal. What you say? It's John Hatpin
: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>--------------------------------------------------------------
: -----
: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>New, informed, AFCA style conversation:
: i really wanna say snuh here, can i? ok... snuh!
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GrapeApe
I merely want people that have read this far, to consider the symbology of the
quotes, growing and growing, then shrinking rather flaccidly. The Pill has
worn off.
Boron Elgar
<ag...@brooREMOVEMEkview.karoo.co.uk> wrote:
Why you old softee, you...
Boron
ctc...@hotmail.com
> >Men who have potency problems are not producing enough cyclic
> >GMP to keep their "sinks" filled up; their "faucets" are not
> >open far enough or flowing fast enough. Viagra works by
> >suppressing the effect of PDE-5 -- metaphorically, not to open
> >up the faucet, but to close the sink's drain, thus allowing an
> >erection even if the body's faucet is producing a modest flow --
> >or perhaps even a trickle.
>
> This sounds like a recipe for priapism. What do you do for liquid
> plumber?
If you haven't discovered it yourself by now....
Xho
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GrapeApe
>> >GMP to keep their "sinks" filled up; their "faucets" are not
>> >open far enough or flowing fast enough. Viagra works by
>> >suppressing the effect of PDE-5 -- metaphorically, not to open
>> >up the faucet, but to close the sink's drain, thus allowing an
>> >erection even if the body's faucet is producing a modest flow --
>> >or perhaps even a trickle.
>>
>> This sounds like a recipe for priapism. What do you do for liquid
>> plumber?
>
>If you haven't discovered it yourself by now...
But the sinks drain is stopped up, you see. Usually a few strokes of the
plunger and its wooshing down the drain.
John Hatpin
Not soft. You can see that in a mere glans.
--
John Hatpin
Boron Elgar
<ag...@brooREMOVEMEkview.karoo.co.uk> wrote:
Shows your head's on straight.
Boron
John Hatpin
Tip o' the hat to you for noticing.
--
John Hatpin
Charles A Lieberman
<20020722140251...@mb-ck.aol.com>
>>Men who have potency problems are not producing enough cyclic
>>GMP to keep their "sinks" filled up; their "faucets" are not
>>up the faucet, but to close the sink's drain, thus allowing an
>>erection even if the body's faucet is producing a modest flow --
>>or perhaps even a trickle.
>
>This sounds like a recipe for priapism.
Quite so. Many people don't seem to realize that Viagra doesn't make
users aroused, it makes them erect, or the female equivalent.
--
Charles A. Lieberman | Taylor, you can't love a man with no head!
Brooklyn, New York, USA |
http://calieber.tripod.com/ cali...@bigfoot.com
Blinky the Shark
news:20020723191029...@mb-bk.aol.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>----------- -----
I like to think of it as having been too mescent to last.
--
Blinky
RM Mentock
>
> GrapeApe 22 Jul 2002 18:02:51 GMT
> <20020722140251...@mb-ck.aol.com>
> >>Men who have potency problems are not producing enough cyclic
> >>GMP to keep their "sinks" filled up; their "faucets" are not
> >>open far enough or flowing fast enough. Viagra works by
> >>suppressing the effect of PDE-5 -- metaphorically, not to open
> >>up the faucet, but to close the sink's drain, thus allowing an
> >>erection even if the body's faucet is producing a modest flow --
> >>or perhaps even a trickle.
> >
> >This sounds like a recipe for priapism.
>
> Quite so. Many people don't seem to realize that Viagra doesn't make
> users aroused, it makes them erect, or the female equivalent.
Probably the reason they don't realize that is that the package
insert says differently. It says that Viagra will not produce
erections--that you have to be aroused before you can be erect.
Maybe they're just covering up?
--
RM Mentock
C. K. Monet, c'est moi
Lalbert1
<no....@box.invalid> writes:
Yes, there is a vas deferens in size.
Les
Hank Gillette
mutigho...@aol.comseven (The AFCA Kid) wrote:
> Impeccable personal hygenie and all around good grooming, not to mention
> money, or at least the exterior signs of such. A certain proclivity for
> danger,
> they like that, too.
>
But don't skimp on the money.
--
Hank Gillette
SoCalMike
"Lalbert1" <lalb...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20020724183739...@mb-fw.aol.com...
but does that mean bigger is better?
Lalbert1
before reading it. Will that someone please resend the email.
Les
Barbara
>>
>> Quite so. Many people don't seem to realize that Viagra doesn't make
>> users aroused, it makes them erect, or the female equivalent.
>
>Probably the reason they don't realize that is that the package
>insert says differently. It says that Viagra will not produce
>erections--that you have to be aroused before you can be erect.
>Maybe they're just covering up?
What can happen sometimes is that they guy may think he needs some help from
the little blue pill, so he takes one, and it turns out he didn't need it after
all and has in fact, completed the amorous encounter before the stuff kicks in.
In those cases the results can be somewhat painful (and also somewhat amusing
to an outside observer) and while he still will need some arousing stimulus to
obtain the now unwanted erection, that stimulus can be as minor as the touch of
a waffle-weave hotel bathrobe against the groin.
Barbara -
"I've got something inside me
Not what my life's about
Cause I've been letting my outside tide me
Over 'til my time runs out."
Taxi
Harry Chapin
Charles A Lieberman
<3D3F2D36...@mindspring.com>
>It says that Viagra will not produce
>erections--that you have to be aroused before you can be erect.
>Maybe they're just covering up?
Maybe Pepper Schwartz lied to me.
RM Mentock
>
> the touch of a waffle-weave hotel bathrobe against the groin.
Just to head-off the "GIF! GIF!": TMI!, TMI!
chris greville
"Greg Goss" <go...@gossg.org> wrote in message
news:ta3qjukepgoj3tm35...@4ax.com...
> "chris greville" <chrisg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Damn, youv'e found one of my guilty pleasures, The Italian Job.
> >One of my favourites.
>
> Hmmm. French, Greek, Brit. Know those references. What's "Italian"?
> --
A film starring Michael Caine, featuring a bank robbery in Italy, and a car
chase starring three Mini Cooper Cars.
An enjoyable bit of light entertainment.
Lalbert1
<men...@mindspring.com> writes:
>Barbara wrote:
>>
>> the touch of a waffle-weave hotel bathrobe against the groin.
>
>Just to head-off the "GIF! GIF!": TMI!, TMI!
Too late .... here's a GIF! GIF!
www.artline.com/associations/ifpda/ifpdafair/ifpdafair2001/exhibitors/berk
eleysquare/Dine-Bathrobe.jpg
Les
Estron
> >Probably the reason they don't realize that is that the package
> >insert says differently. It says that Viagra will not produce
> >erections--that you have to be aroused before you can be erect.
> >Maybe they're just covering up?
> What can happen sometimes is that they guy may think he needs some help from
> the little blue pill, so he takes one, and it turns out he didn't need it after
> all and has in fact, completed the amorous encounter before the stuff kicks in.
Well, maybe, but some people think (or used to think) that the mere
act of taking the pill would cause an erection. There are reports of
a man taking a Viagra pill, and he and his supposed honey just sitting
there in bed, not making out, just watching to see when the erection
would happen. The man still needs sexual stimulation, arousal, to
turn on the "faucet" of my original analogy.
--
All opinions expressed are only that.
Pax vobiscum.
est...@tfs.net
Kansas City, Missouri
Estron
cutting-and-pasting a piece on Viagra that had been lying around
on my hard drive for a couple of years, and saying things like:
> > Viagra works by suppressing the effect of PDE-5 --
> > metaphorically, not to open up the faucet, but to close the
> > sink's drain, thus allowing an erection even if the body's
> > faucet is producing a modest flow -- or perhaps even a trickle.
GrapeApe shrugged:
> This sounds like a recipe for priapism.
Well, it works like stuffing a sock in the drain rather than like
sealing the drain with concrete and plumber's putty -- the PDE-5
will break down the effect of the cyclic GMP eventually, and once
the man's arousal ceases, the cyclic GMP will no longer be coming
in.
--
All opinions expressed are only that.
Pax vobiscum
est...@tfs.net
Kansas City, Missouri
Paul L. Madarasz
wrote, perhaps among other things...:
>>-:But when I was a kid, the green ones were allegedly aphrodisiac, even
>>-:if I was the only one in the whole school who knew the word...
>
>
>The rest of the kids thought it would give you bushy hair?
Well, on your palms, I guess...
--
Paul L. Madarasz
Tucson, Baja Arizona
"How 'bout cuttin' that rebop?
-- S. Kowalski
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