First toilet on a TV SHOW?

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Bob

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May 2, 2022, 7:43:17 PMMay 2
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On Quora I've already busted the claim that a certain "Leave It to Beaver" episode had the first appearance (in 1957) on American TV of any part of a toilet. The claim seems never to have been made before the time DVD sales of the series were beginning, and I think they just made up a story of its being held up, so as to boost publicity. The episode air dates and production numbers SEEM to back up the story, until you note the others and see that MANY of them first aired out of production order. Anyway, TV commercials for at least a decade had been showing toilets quite conspicuously, so the claim that network standards and practices had an objection doesn't seem apt. However, someone on Quora suggested standards may have been lower for commercials, which I strongly doubt.

So what I'm looking for is any examples of toilets from American TV PROGRAMS in 1957 or earlier.

Bob in Andover

danny burstein

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May 2, 2022, 7:52:00 PMMay 2
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In <d0f7c4b2-28cf-4381...@googlegroups.com> Bob <rob...@bestweb.net> writes:

[snip]

>So what I'm looking for is any examples of toilets from American TV PROGRAM=
>S in 1957 or earlier.

Can't help you with that, but Mad Magazine (back when there
was a Mad Magazine and it was funny..) did a satire of
All in the Family, and made a big point of how toilets
were taboo on tv, so in the magazine Archie Bunker
was flushing away...

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Michael Trew

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May 2, 2022, 9:41:38 PMMay 2
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I have always heard that the first reference to "toilet" on television
was the show "All in the Family".

Snidely

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May 4, 2022, 3:48:49 PMMay 4
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Michael Trew explained on 5/2/2022 :
AIUI, Bob isn't asking about "reference", but about the first time a
toilet was in view on camera, and being an item in the background would
count.

I'm not sure what shows were filmed "on location" during the '50s, and
a toilet in the background for other shows would require the set
builders to build a bathroom (or a plumbing showroom), and I can't
recall much of that (admittedly, I can't recall much of the shows I
recall, which is the short list of Donna Reed, Father Knows Best, Leave
It To Beaver, and My Three Sons; I think kitchen scenes dominated).

/dps


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Lee Ayrton

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Jun 7, 2022, 6:27:48 PMJun 7
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On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 7:52:00 PM UTC-4, danny burstein wrote:
> In <d0f7c4b2-28cf-4381...@googlegroups.com> Bob <rob...@bestweb.net> writes:
>
> [snip]
>
> >So what I'm looking for is any examples of toilets from American TV PROGRAM=
> >S in 1957 or earlier.
>
> Can't help you with that, but Mad Magazine (back when there
> was a Mad Magazine and it was funny..) did a satire of
> All in the Family, and made a big point of how toilets
> were taboo on tv, so in the magazine Archie Bunker
> was flushing away...

As Dannyb notes, All in The Family made the papers with a loud but unseen flush from upstairs, to a huge laugh. "30 Something" made the papers with a scene of Mel peeing on a toilet, a first. The Internets claim that Leave It To Beaver was the first TV show to show a porcelain throne, in a shot that was reportedly censored.

https://movies.stackexchange.com/questions/21159/why-do-most-movies-series-dont-have-the-i-have-to-go-to-the-toilet-moment

Not TV, but Psycho featured a toilet, as did Clockwork Orange.


Bob

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Jun 8, 2022, 12:30:59 AMJun 8
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On Tuesday, June 7, 2022 at 6:27:48 PM UTC-4, Lee Ayrton wrote:
> On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 7:52:00 PM UTC-4, danny burstein wrote:
> > In <d0f7c4b2-28cf-4381...@googlegroups.com> Bob <rob...@bestweb.net> writes:
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> > >So what I'm looking for is any examples of toilets from American TV PROGRAM=
> > >S in 1957 or earlier.
> >
> > Can't help you with that, but Mad Magazine (back when there
> > was a Mad Magazine and it was funny..) did a satire of
> > All in the Family, and made a big point of how toilets
> > were taboo on tv, so in the magazine Archie Bunker
> > was flushing away...
> As Dannyb notes, All in The Family made the papers with a loud but unseen flush from upstairs, to a huge laugh. "30 Something" made the papers with a scene of Mel peeing on a toilet, a first. The Internets claim that Leave It To Beaver was the first TV show to show a porcelain throne, in a shot that was reportedly censored.

Except that there's no mention of that story until about the time that the DVDs of that series went on sale. The story was so obviously made up for publicity's sake, I'm amazed that I'm the first the call them out on it.

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Pluted Pup

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Nov 23, 2022, 3:49:20 PM (2 days ago) Nov 23
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On Mon, 02 May 2022 16:43:16 -0700, Bob wrote:

> On Quora I've already busted the claim that a certain "Leave It to Beaver" episode had the first appearance (in 1957) on American TV of any part of a toilet. The claim seems never to have been made before the time DVD sales of the series were beginning, and I think they just made up a story of its being held up, so as to boost publicity. The episode air dates and production numbers SEEM to back up the story, until you note the others and see that MANY of them first aired out of production order. Anyway, TV commercials for at least a decade had been showing toilets quite conspicuously, so the claim that network standards and practices had an objection doesn't seem apt. However, someone on Quora suggested standards may have been lower for commercials, which I strongly doubt.
>
> So what I'm looking for is any examples of toilets from American TV PROGRAMS in 1957 or earlier.

I don't know if it's true, but I heard about Leave
It To Beaver having the first TV toilet long before
DVDs were even invented. So it's not a new story.


A Friend

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Nov 23, 2022, 4:25:13 PM (2 days ago) Nov 23
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In article <0001HW.292EBECA0...@news.giganews.com>, Pluted
Leave It to Beaver had Beaver hiding his pet alligator in the toilet
tank in the boys' bathroom; I'm not sure if they ever showed the bowl.
I don't know why this was controversial, but there you are.

We were two adults and five kids in a cramped four-room apartment, so
AFAIWC the Cleavers lived in frickin' paradise. If memory serves, All
in the Family was the first to depict a toilet just having been used
(i.e., there's the sound of a flush, and then Archie comes downstairs,
with hilarity ensuing).

One of the reasons we bought this house is that we are two people, and
there are two and a half baths.

Kerr-Mudd, John

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Nov 24, 2022, 8:42:57 AM (yesterday) Nov 24
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You can't have much of a bath in half a bath.

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Bob

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Nov 24, 2022, 9:39:35 AM (yesterday) Nov 24
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Sure, if you neglect the fact that the toilet flush sound had been used on RADIO for a long time by then.

Bob

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Nov 24, 2022, 9:47:56 AM (yesterday) Nov 24
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At the time you heard it, did you consider it at all odd that, huh, you'd been seeing toilets in TV COMMERCIALS long before that? Or did you hear the story long after the show aired but long before DVDs, and hence were unfamiliar with TV TOTAL CONTENT at that time?

A Friend

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Nov 24, 2022, 1:51:47 PM (yesterday) Nov 24
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In article <20221124134255.20cd...@127.0.0.1>,
I should have mentioned for those unfamiliar with the term that a
half-bath is a bathroom with a toilet and a sink, but without a tub or
a shower.

Kerr-Mudd, John

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Nov 24, 2022, 2:30:20 PM (yesterday) Nov 24
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On Thu, 24 Nov 2022 13:51:44 -0500
I was kinda joshing; it's curious to this BrEng speaker that a bathroom to
us is literally a room with a bath in. (Maybe changed to a shower, but
historically contained a bathtub; very probably a WC as well). A room
with just a WC & basin is called a toilet.

Half a bath would lose water.

anim8rfsk

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Nov 24, 2022, 7:14:39 PM (yesterday) Nov 24
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Not exactly. There are four components to a bathroom. Toilet, sink, tub,
shower. Any combination of two of those would be a half bath. That’s how
contractors count. Realtors often just count any bathroom as a whole
bathroom even if all it has in it is a sink because realtors cheat.

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suzeeq

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Nov 25, 2022, 1:10:37 AM (yesterday) Nov 25
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Actuall they don't. A full bath has a sink and toilet, and either a tub,
a shower, or both, or a tub with shower. They call them 3 piece
bathrooms or 4 piece.

Adam H. Kerman

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Nov 25, 2022, 3:58:48 AM (yesterday) Nov 25
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Shower stall but no tub is a 3/4 bathroom. No idea what they call it if
there's a shower stall plus a separate tub.

suzeeq

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Nov 25, 2022, 10:49:24 AM (21 hours ago) Nov 25
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>>> shower. Any combination of two of those would be a half bath. That’s how
>>> contractors count. Realtors often just count any bathroom as a whole
>>> bathroom even if all it has in it is a sink because realtors cheat.
>>>
>> Actually they don't. A full bath has a sink and toilet, and either a tub,
>> a shower, or both, or a tub with shower. They call them 3 piece
>> bathrooms or 4 piece.
>
> Shower stall but no tub is a 3/4 bathroom. No idea what they call it if
> there's a shower stall plus a separate tub.
>
A 4 piece.
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