Cultural Literacy

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Kim

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Jun 23, 2001, 7:11:35 PM6/23/01
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Ok Guys -

I just realized my husband is a cultural moron.

I got some new DVD's today and wanted to share my excitement. So - to
emphasize my point - I used catch lines from the movies to let him know what
*great* movies I got.

His blank stare told all. He didn't get *one*!!! How could that be? Now,
these weren't *difficult* movies - I love classics. Here goes:

1. Squeal like a piggy.

2. I'd like to introduce you to my little friend

3. I'm going to get medieval on your ass.

4. Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn

Now, surely everyone recognizes what movies I got.

Question (point).

When do you know you have failed in cultural literacy - what would you
*have* to know to be considered culturally literate - is there a test? Is
there a different grading system for different age groups? Am I expecting
too much of my husband - or is he *really* a cultural moron?

Are there other catch phrases from movies he should know - and that I can
ask him to *see* if he knows?
--

Kim
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*Behind every successful man is a surprised mother in law*

Joe Shimkus

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Jun 23, 2001, 7:20:30 PM6/23/01
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In article <Cl9Z6.5561$f4.1...@e420r-atl1.usenetserver.com>,
"Kim" <ki...@NOSPAMfamily-net.org> wrote:

> Are there other catch phrases from movies he should know - and that I can
> ask him to *see* if he knows?

What we have here is a failure to communicate.

Oh, my God! It's full of stars.

Klatu barada nicto.

They call me Mr. Tibbs.

Rosebud.

- Joe

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N Jill Marsh

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Jun 23, 2001, 7:36:42 PM6/23/01
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On Sat, 23 Jun 2001 19:11:35 -0400, "Kim"
<ki...@NOSPAMfamily-net.org>wrote:


>When do you know you have failed in cultural literacy - what would you
>*have* to know to be considered culturally literate - is there a test? Is
>there a different grading system for different age groups? Am I expecting
>too much of my husband - or is he *really* a cultural moron?

Dunno, no (1). Yes. Yes, maybe.

Maybe he's better described as pop-culturally illiterate for a person
of his nationality, background, education, gender and age. Personally
I wouldn't consider any failure to identify your examples to be much
of an indication of anything other than not being terribly interest in
your-taste-in-movies minutae (2).

nj"why should he know any of them?"m

(1) okay, I have one, you have to identify the source and context of
every one of my sigs in the last two years, or I get to call you a
cultural moron. They're all easy as pie, but I'll even give you a
pass on five of them. Your choice.

(2) and I got them all, signs of time poorly spent maybe?

"Poor me beside her, pale and red-eyed,
held together by rashes and sores."

Hank Gillette

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Jun 23, 2001, 8:06:44 PM6/23/01
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In article <Cl9Z6.5561$f4.1...@e420r-atl1.usenetserver.com>,
"Kim" <ki...@NOSPAMfamily-net.org> wrote:

> 1. Squeal like a piggy.
>
> 2. I'd like to introduce you to my little friend
>
> 3. I'm going to get medieval on your ass.
>
> 4. Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn
>
> Now, surely everyone recognizes what movies I got.
>

Not everyone. I know 1 and 4, 3 sounds familiar, but as for 2, it's been
a long time since I've watched a porn movie.

> Question (point).
>
> When do you know you have failed in cultural literacy - what would you
> *have* to know to be considered culturally literate - is there a test?

There was actually a book out a few years ago, list what the author
thought Americans ought to know. It's title strangely, was:

"Cultural Literacy : What Every American Needs to Know" by E.D. Hirsch
Jr.

JmG

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Jun 23, 2001, 9:19:11 PM6/23/01
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On Sat, 23 Jun 2001 19:11:35 -0400, "Kim" <ki...@NOSPAMfamily-net.org> wrote:

>|2. I'd like to introduce you to my little friend
>|
>|3. I'm going to get medieval on your ass.

?

J

Bob E.

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Jun 24, 2001, 12:05:43 AM6/24/01
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Somebody's definition of culture, oddly enough. --Bob

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Helge Moulding

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Jun 24, 2001, 12:10:17 AM6/24/01
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Kim wrote,

> I just realized my husband is a cultural moron.

Apparently, so am I.

> 1. Squeal like a piggy.

Huh? This is a catch phrase?

> 2. I'd like to introduce you to my little friend

Sounds like something Clint Eastwood might say.

> 3. I'm going to get medieval on your ass.

Actually, I thought this was a line from WWF.

> 4. Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn

Hey! I know that one. "But Rhett, what *am* I going to
do?" "Eat my grits!"

> When do you know you have failed in cultural literacy

Certainly not when you haven't seen the last twenty years'
crop of cinematic crap. Though since I don't recognize your
references, and since there are a number of movies that I
wanted to see but never did, I can't tell if they were crap.

Cultural literacy isn't determined by *pop* culture, in my
opinion, so I'd let your husband off the hook, for now. Of
course, if he doesn't know the story of the fox and the
stork, or know who Leibniz was, or know where they have
Shinto Buddhism, then I'd start to worry.
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Helge Moulding

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Jun 24, 2001, 12:22:53 AM6/24/01
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Joe Shimkus wrote,

> Oh, my God! It's full of stars.

I feel I ought to recognize this one. Is that from 2001,
when Dave falls into the monolith? Believe it or not, but
I've never seen that movie from beginning to end.

> Klatu barada nicto.

Never saw it, but I do know this is "The Day the Earth
Stood Still."

> They call me Mr. Tibbs.

Um. A quick Google search brings up a forgettable 1970 crime
flick starring Sidney Poitier.

> Rosebud.

Citizen Kane. I started watching it once, and kinda lost my
enthusiasm about ten minutes into it.

But, see, Kim, *these* are catch phrases. People recognize
the reference *even though* they never saw the movie. Now,
possibly we have a generational gap, too. I'm 43. How old is
Joe? How old are you?

Joe Shimkus

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Jun 24, 2001, 12:43:02 AM6/24/01
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In article <9h3q0m$1ij0$1...@si05.rsvl.unisys.com>,
"Helge Moulding" <hmou...@excite.com> wrote:

> Joe Shimkus wrote,
> > Oh, my God! It's full of stars.
>
> I feel I ought to recognize this one. Is that from 2001,
> when Dave falls into the monolith?

Yes.

> But, see, Kim, *these* are catch phrases. People recognize
> the reference *even though* they never saw the movie. Now,
> possibly we have a generational gap, too. I'm 43. How old is
> Joe? How old are you?

I'm pushing 38 (just where am I pushing it is a different question).

ctc...@hotmail.com

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Jun 24, 2001, 12:46:06 AM6/24/01
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"Kim" <ki...@NOSPAMfamily-net.org> wrote:
>
> His blank stare told all. He didn't get *one*!!! How could that be? Now,
> these weren't *difficult* movies - I love classics. Here goes:
>
> 1. Squeal like a piggy.

A movie with some inbred guy playing a banjo.

> 2. I'd like to introduce you to my little friend

Silence the Lambs

> 3. I'm going to get medieval on your ass.

Kingpin

> 4. Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn

Gone with the Wind.

Xho

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Jun 24, 2001, 12:48:47 AM6/24/01
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Joe Shimkus <j...@shimkus.com> wrote:
>
> What we have here is a failure to communicate.

Ferris Beuler's day off

> Oh, my God! It's full of stars.

Contact.

> Klatu barada nicto.

Something with George Burns in it.

> They call me Mr. Tibbs.

Mr. Tibbs Goes to Washington

> Rosebud.

That movie with a bunch of whites beating up and burning a bunch of
blacks.

Xhoron

Just this guy ya know

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Jun 24, 2001, 1:09:20 AM6/24/01
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>I got some new DVD's today and wanted to share my excitement. So - to
>emphasize my point - I used catch lines from the movies to let him know
>what *great* movies I got.

You paid dollars for a bunch of movies you already seen?

>His blank stare told all. He didn't get *one*!!! How could that be?

And you think your hubby is the wierdo?

You can tell when times are good. Why, you proly pay more for water than gas.
Johnny

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Paul Guertin

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Jun 24, 2001, 1:16:43 AM6/24/01
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"Kim" <ki...@NOSPAMfamily-net.org> wrote:

> I just realized my husband is a cultural moron.
> >

> His blank stare told all. He didn't get *one*!!! How could that be? Now,
> these weren't *difficult* movies - I love classics. Here goes:
>
> 1. Squeal like a piggy.
> 2. I'd like to introduce you to my little friend
> 3. I'm going to get medieval on your ass.
> 4. Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn

Nope, nope, nope, maybe.

Looks like I'm a cultural moron too. Or maybe someone who just doesn't
watch movies very much.

I've heard some of them used before and recognized them as references
to something I didn't know. Is there a word for this? Linker errors,
maybe. Anyway, it happens to me all the time.

Paul Guertin
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Nostradamus (no longer a Jingleheimerschmidt)

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Jun 24, 2001, 1:58:31 AM6/24/01
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On Sat, 23 Jun 2001 22:10:17 -0600, "Helge Moulding"
<hmou...@excite.com> wrote:

>Cultural literacy isn't determined by *pop* culture, in my
>opinion, so I'd let your husband off the hook, for now. Of
>course, if he doesn't know the story of the fox and the
>stork, or know who Leibniz was, or know where they have
>Shinto Buddhism, then I'd start to worry.
>--

I suggest we test him with something along these lines:

1. Name the author of Summa Theologica.
2. Provide a proof of the Pythagorean Theorem.
3. Name at least one signer of the Declaration of Independence.
4. Who was the Merchant of Venice?
5. Who made the "I Have a Dream" speech?
6. What is polyphony?
7. What is the Hajj?
8. Where is the Belgian Congo?
9. Who was Kong-fu zi?
10. Who is Tracy Marrow?

I'm not claiming this is the perfect list with which to test hubby's
cultural literacy, but I think it ain't bad. What do you say?


GrapeApe

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Jun 24, 2001, 2:09:41 AM6/24/01
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>> 1. Squeal like a piggy.
>
>A movie with some inbred guy playing a banjo.

Misquote too I think.

Nostradamus (no longer a Jingleheimerschmidt)

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Jun 24, 2001, 2:14:57 AM6/24/01
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Let's add:

11. What is a clutch basket?

Jay R. Ashworth

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Jun 24, 2001, 2:24:57 AM6/24/01
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*Right* in the middle of the appendectomy, Kim turned

to Hawkeye and me and said:
> 1. Squeal like a piggy.

Deliverance?

> 2. I'd like to introduce you to my little friend

Nope; me neither.

> 3. I'm going to get medieval on your ass.

Weird Al's video for Amish Paradise?

> 4. Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn

The Wind Done Gone.

Cheers,
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Jay R. Ashworth

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Jun 24, 2001, 2:27:30 AM6/24/01
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*Right* in the middle of the appendectomy, Paul Guertin turned

to Hawkeye and me and said:
> I've heard some of them used before and recognized them as references
> to something I didn't know. Is there a word for this? Linker errors,
> maybe. Anyway, it happens to me all the time.

Precisely.

The code is making a library reference, and you don't have the proper
library loaded.

Mark Brader

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Jun 24, 2001, 3:25:56 AM6/24/01
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Hmm... I recognized only one of Kim's catchphrases, but all of Joe's.
I think these two haven't been identified yet:

> What we have here is a failure to communicate.

Cool Hand Luke.



> They call me Mr. Tibbs.

In the Heat of the Night.
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Shawn Wilson

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Jun 24, 2001, 3:27:03 AM6/24/01
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"Kim" <ki...@NOSPAMfamily-net.org> wrote in message
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> 1. Squeal like a piggy.


Deliverance

> 2. I'd like to introduce you to my little friend


Dirty Harry?

> 3. I'm going to get medieval on your ass.


Pulp Fiction?

> 4. Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn


Gone With the Wind.


Shawn Wilson

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Jun 24, 2001, 3:45:28 AM6/24/01
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"Joe Shimkus" <j...@shimkus.com> wrote in message
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> What we have here is a failure to communicate.


Some prison movie. Brubaker?


> Oh, my God! It's full of stars.


2001: A Space Odyssey.

> Klatu barada nicto.


The Day the Earth Stood Still.

> They call me Mr. Tibbs.


In the Heat of the Night.


> Rosebud.


Citizen Kane.

My questions-


"I have a bad feeling about this."

"Do ya feel lucky?"

"An intelligent carrot?"

Never go against a Sicilian when death's on the line."

"Oh, that's alright, we're married."

"Yippie ki yay, motherfucker."

"I see dead people."

"What's your favorite scary movie."


Dutch Jingleheimerschmidt

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Jun 24, 2001, 4:12:51 AM6/24/01
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"Helge Moulding" hmou...@excite.com
Date: 6/24/2001 12:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time writes:

>Joe Shimkus wrote,
>> Oh, my God! It's full of stars.
>
>I feel I ought to recognize this one. Is that from 2001,
>when Dave falls into the monolith? Believe it or not, but
>I've never seen that movie from beginning to end.

Huh. But that's kind of the point of cultural literacy. You don't have to have
read "Wealth of Nations," you just have to be able to match Adam Smith to
"Invisible Hand."

>
>> Klatu barada nicto.
>
>Never saw it, but I do know this is "The Day the Earth
>Stood Still."
>
>> They call me Mr. Tibbs.
>
>Um. A quick Google search brings up a forgettable 1970 crime
>flick starring Sidney Poitier.

Forgettable?


>> Rosebud.
>
>Citizen Kane. I started watching it once, and kinda lost my
>enthusiasm about ten minutes into it.

Well, your bad.


-"Ain't gonna hang no picture, ain't gonna hang no picture frame
ain't gonna hang no picture, ain't gonna hang no picture frame
Well, I might look like Robert Ford, but I feel just like Jesse James"

Alan Hamilton

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Jun 24, 2001, 4:16:22 AM6/24/01
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On Sun, 24 Jun 2001 00:43:02 -0400, Joe Shimkus <j...@shimkus.com>
wrote:

>> Joe Shimkus wrote,
>> > Oh, my God! It's full of stars.
>>
>> I feel I ought to recognize this one. Is that from 2001,
>> when Dave falls into the monolith?
>
>Yes.

Nope. In "2001", the camera pans up from the monolith floating in
space, then the streaky light show starts shooting out from a point in
space. There's no dialog.

The line is actually from "2010". They seem to have done a good job
retconning "2001", though, if people are remembering this from the
original picture.
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Dutch Jingleheimerschmidt

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Jun 24, 2001, 4:35:40 AM6/24/01
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"Helge Moulding" hmou...@excite.com
Date: 6/24/2001 12:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time writes:

>Kim wrote,
>> I just realized my husband is a cultural moron.
>
>Apparently, so am I.
>
>> 1. Squeal like a piggy.
>
>Huh? This is a catch phrase?

I think it's just "pig." Often combined with references to someone having a
pretty mouth.

Deliverance, you turd. Very important movie. People who've never actually seen
deliverance immediately know you're talking about scary rednecks who might be
inbred when you say something about banjo players.

>> 3. I'm going to get medieval on your ass.
>
>Actually, I thought this was a line from WWF.

No, Charlie Verrick, by way of Pulp Fiction.


>
>> 4. Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn
>
>Hey! I know that one. "But Rhett, what *am* I going to
>do?" "Eat my grits!"
>
>> When do you know you have failed in cultural literacy
>
>Certainly not when you haven't seen the last twenty years'
>crop of cinematic crap.

Charlie Verrick and Deliverance are older than 20 years, and of course not
properly characterized by "crap."

> Though since I don't recognize your
>references, and since there are a number of movies that I
>wanted to see but never did, I can't tell if they were crap.

But, um...how can you not have figured that out? I mean, I knew the deal with
deliverance before I ever saw it. Everyone knows that's the movie where the
city dwellers are attacked by vengeful rednecks, and Ned Beatty gets raped. How
can you appreciate the Simpsons, for example, if you don't know about stuff
like that?


>
>Cultural literacy isn't determined by *pop* culture, in my
>opinion,

Well, it's not the sum of it, of course, but a fair knowledge of it is...you
know, if you couldn't pick out allusions to Beatles songs or Deliverance, you
know, you'd be at a disadvantage.

>so I'd let your husband off the hook, for now. Of
>course, if he doesn't know the story of the fox and the
>stork, or know who Leibniz was, or know where they have
>Shinto Buddhism, then I'd start to worry.

Nah, that's just exactly backwards. I mean, you're probably not going to see a
newspaper story where a reference to Leibniz is used to quickly convey a lot of
information, but you will see one where Deliverance is used in this way. I
mean, if you had no idea what Star Wars was, or what it was about, you'd
probably have some trouble understanding what is meant when SDI is referred to
as "Star Wars," huh?

Meanwhile, you'll note it's not called "Allegro from the second Brandenburg
Concerto Wars," is it?

Dutch "it's fine not to know things, just don't be proud of not knowing them"
Courage

Dutch Jingleheimerschmidt

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Jun 24, 2001, 4:38:47 AM6/24/01
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n...@nostradamus.net (Nostradamus (no longer a Jingleheimerschmidt)) writes:

>1. Name the author of Summa Theologica.
>2. Provide a proof of the Pythagorean Theorem.
>3. Name at least one signer of the Declaration of Independence.
>4. Who was the Merchant of Venice?
>5. Who made the "I Have a Dream" speech?
>6. What is polyphony?
>7. What is the Hajj?
>8. Where is the Belgian Congo?
>9. Who was Kong-fu zi?
>10. Who is Tracy Marrow?
>
>I'm not claiming this is the perfect list with which to test hubby's
>cultural literacy, but I think it ain't bad. What do you say?

Lousy. Hardly any Americans really have to know Confucious's real name.
merchant of venice good, I have a dream good, rest...not so good. Cultural
literacy isn't just knowing a lot of obscure shit, you know.

Mark Brader

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Jun 24, 2001, 4:39:09 AM6/24/01
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Joe Shimkus quoted:

>>>> Oh, my God! It's full of stars.

Helge Moulding guessed:


>>> Is that from 2001, when Dave falls into the monolith?

Joe Shimkus said:
>> Yes.

And Alan Hamilton says:
> Nope. In "2001" ... There's no dialog.


> The line is actually from "2010".

Hmm. I guess the original context was movie quotes, which makes Alan
right. However, in terms of general cultural literacy, Joe and Helge
are right. The line *is* originally from "2001: A Space Odyssey" --
the book, not the movie.
--
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Toronto This removes their chief excuse for not writing."
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mike

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Jun 24, 2001, 4:57:20 AM6/24/01
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> JmG wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, 23 Jun 2001 19:11:35 -0400, "Kim" <ki...@NOSPAMfamily-net.org>
wrote:
> >
> > >|2. I'd like to introduce you to my little friend


izzat "say hello to my little friend"?

JmG

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Jun 24, 2001, 6:30:32 AM6/24/01
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On 24 Jun 2001 05:58:31 GMT, n...@nostradamus.net (Nostradamus (no longer a
Jingleheimerschmidt)) wrote:

>|I suggest we test him with something along these lines:

Okay, without cheating now:

>|1. Name the author of Summa Theologica.

No idea.

>|2. Provide a proof of the Pythagorean Theorem.

a2+b2=c2

>|3. Name at least one signer of the Declaration of Independence.

Button Gwinnet

>|4. Who was the Merchant of Venice?

The stereotypical Jew, thanks to Billy Shakespeare

>|5. Who made the "I Have a Dream" speech?

Martin Luther King

>|6. What is polyphony?

A (musical) chord.

>|7. What is the Hajj?

The pilgrimage to Mecca

>|8. Where is the Belgian Congo?

In Africa, though the name has changed.

>|9. Who was Kong-fu zi?

I am forgetful, Grasshopper.

>|10. Who is Tracy Marrow?

I haven't a clue.

J

Oriole Adams

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Jun 24, 2001, 9:49:15 AM6/24/01
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>"Yippie ki yay, motherfucker."

Die Hard, the first one, the only *good* one, and that was thanks to Alan
Rickman.

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Jay R. Ashworth

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*Right* in the middle of the appendectomy, Dutch Jingleheimerschmidt turned

to Hawkeye and me and said:
> Nah, that's just exactly backwards. I mean, you're probably not
> going to see a newspaper story where a reference to Leibniz is used
> to quickly convey a lot of information, but you will see one where
> Deliverance is used in this way. I mean, if you had no idea what Star
> Wars was, or what it was about, you'd probably have some trouble
> understanding what is meant when SDI is referred to as "Star Wars,"
> huh?

Knowing anything about the movie isn't likely to help you even one
little bit in figuring out anything about the misguided government
boondoggle.

Cheers,
-- jr 'how does it detect a nuclear mine in a speed boat?' a

Boron Elgar

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Jun 24, 2001, 10:31:22 AM6/24/01
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On Sat, 23 Jun 2001 22:22:53 -0600, "Helge Moulding"
<hmou...@excite.com> wrote:


>> They call me Mr. Tibbs.
>
>Um. A quick Google search brings up a forgettable 1970 crime
>flick starring Sidney Poitier.
>

Actually, the line was first spoken by Sidney Poitier in the film "In
the Heat of the Night," with Rod Steiger. (1967) The line was then
used as the title of the 2nd film.

Boron

David Wilton

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Jun 24, 2001, 10:37:40 AM6/24/01
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On Sat, 23 Jun 2001 22:22:53 -0600, "Helge Moulding"
<hmou...@excite.com> wrote:

>> They call me Mr. Tibbs.
>
>Um. A quick Google search brings up a forgettable 1970 crime
>flick starring Sidney Poitier.

The line is originally from "In the Heat of the Night," which is quite
unforgettable and very, very good. The 1970 sequel is indeed
forgettable.

--Dave Wilton
da...@wilton.net
http://www.wordorigins.org

David Wilton

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Jun 24, 2001, 10:43:11 AM6/24/01
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On Sat, 23 Jun 2001 19:11:35 -0400, "Kim" <ki...@NOSPAMfamily-net.org>
wrote:

>2. I'd like to introduce you to my little friend

Ok, what is this from? I haven't seen anyone on this group identify it
yet, and it's bothering me.

N Jill Marsh

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Jun 24, 2001, 10:50:11 AM6/24/01
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On Sun, 24 Jun 2001 07:43:11 -0700, David Wilton
<da...@wilton.net>wrote:

>On Sat, 23 Jun 2001 19:11:35 -0400, "Kim" <ki...@NOSPAMfamily-net.org>
>wrote:
>
>>2. I'd like to introduce you to my little friend
>
>Ok, what is this from? I haven't seen anyone on this group identify it
>yet, and it's bothering me.

Assuming it's slightly misquoted ("say hello to my little friend"), I
thought "Scarface".

nj"wishing I was more of a cultural moron, and didn't know it"m

"Poor me beside her, pale and red-eyed,
held together by rashes and sores."

Bob E.

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David Wilton wrote:
>
> On Sat, 23 Jun 2001 19:11:35 -0400, "Kim" <ki...@NOSPAMfamily-net.org>
> wrote:
>
> >2. I'd like to introduce you to my little friend
>
> Ok, what is this from? I haven't seen anyone on this group identify it
> yet, and it's bothering me.

I'm guessing they are referring to Al Pacino's line from "Scarface"...
"Say hello to my little friend". Again, if this defines a high point
of our culture, I shudder. --Bob

================================================================================

Matt Miller

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Jun 24, 2001, 1:07:34 PM6/24/01
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In article <Cl9Z6.5561$f4.1...@e420r-atl1.usenetserver.com>,
ki...@NOSPAMfamily-net.org says...
>Ok Guys -

>
>I just realized my husband is a cultural moron.
>
>I got some new DVD's today and wanted to share my excitement. So - to
>emphasize my point - I used catch lines from the movies to let him know what
>*great* movies I got.
>
>His blank stare told all. He didn't get *one*!!! How could that be? Now,
>these weren't *difficult* movies - I love classics. Here goes:
>
>1. Squeal like a piggy.

It's "pig" not "piggy" and it may not always register if you don't
do it with the accent.

Check out http://www.squeallikeapig.com

>
>2. I'd like to introduce you to my little friend

Sounds familiar but I can't quite place it.

>
>3. I'm going to get medieval on your ass.

Popularized by Pulp Fiction. But it's not "I'm" its "They're"
referring to the "Pipe-hitting niggers" Ving Rhames is going to gather.

You seem to be going for an anal-rape theme here BTW.

>
>4. Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn

Not recognising this is pretty bad.

>
>Now, surely everyone recognizes what movies I got.
>
>Question (point).
>
>When do you know you have failed in cultural literacy - what would you
>*have* to know to be considered culturally literate - is there a test? Is
>there a different grading system for different age groups? Am I expecting
>too much of my husband - or is he *really* a cultural moron?

In terms of pop-culture literacy the grading system is quite
complex and takes into account a number of factors. But not getting
number 4 may mean your husband is in need of remedial sitting around and
watching TV.

--
Matt Miller
"The Dumber people think you are,
the more surprised they will be
when you kill them"
-William Clayton

Earthlink Sucks

artyw

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"Shawn Wilson" <shawn....@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:<sUgZ6.5382$kx3.5...@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...

> "Joe Shimkus" <j...@shimkus.com> wrote in message
> news:joe-3FF9E2.1...@nntp.ix.netcom.com...
>
>
>
>
> My questions-
>
>
> "I have a bad feeling about this."
Jaws?
>
> "Do ya feel lucky?"
Dirty Harry

>
>
> Never go against a Sicilian when death's on the line."
The Godfather?

I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore.

You want me to hold the chicken salad?
I want you to hold it between your knees.

You cant fight here, this is the War room.

I'll be Back

Life is like a box of chocolates

Jose (JRDelirio) Diaz

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Jun 24, 2001, 2:13:58 PM6/24/01
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Dutch Jingleheimerschmidt wrote in message
<20010624043847...@ng-cf1.aol.com>...

>n...@nostradamus.net (Nostradamus (no longer a Jingleheimerschmidt))
writes:
>

>


> Lousy. Hardly any Americans really have to know Confucious's real
name.
>merchant of venice good, I have a dream good, rest...not so good.
Cultural
>literacy isn't just knowing a lot of obscure shit, you know.
>


Dutch is right -- people can be culturally literate and even display
well-above-average book- AND street- smarts w/o accumulating the data
required to run Cecil Adams' office for a month w. no outside
assistance. Besides, many of the commonly bandied-about shorthand
"cultural referents" are quoted so much out of context or just plain
wrong (e.g. "survival of the fittest" is NOT from Darwin) that using
them in the "everyday standard" meaning almost requires your *not*
having paid close attention to the original work/event.


Justin Hiltscher

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Jun 24, 2001, 2:20:54 PM6/24/01
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In article <9h3q0m$1ij0$1...@si05.rsvl.unisys.com>, Helge Moulding wrote:
>Joe Shimkus wrote,

>> Oh, my God! It's full of stars.
>
>I feel I ought to recognize this one. Is that from 2001,
>when Dave falls into the monolith? Believe it or not, but
>I've never seen that movie from beginning to end.
>
Actually, it's kinda funny, that one. It's from 2010, supposedly
quoting David Bowman's last transmission, but that line was never
uttered in 2001, AFAIK. And I was watching for it, too. I saw them
in reverse order, orginally, and kept waiting for that line, only
for it not to materialize.

Justin "Pie! Easy as *pie*! Dumb!" Hiltscher

Justin Hiltscher

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Jun 24, 2001, 2:36:14 PM6/24/01
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In article <sUgZ6.5382$kx3.5...@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
Shawn Wilson wrote:
>
>"Joe Shimkus" <j...@shimkus.com> wrote in message
>news:joe-3FF9E2.1...@nntp.ix.netcom.com...
>

>


>"I have a bad feeling about this."

All movies (so far) with "Star Wars" in their title. Episode IV being
the first, chronologically.

>
>"Do ya feel lucky?"
>
Dirty Harry.

>"An intelligent carrot?"

Ouch! Got me.


>
>Never go against a Sicilian when death's on the line."
>

The Princess Bride. (Ahhha ha ha! Ahh ha ha ha! Ah ha ha... (thud))

>"Oh, that's alright, we're married."

Hmmm. Got me again.

>
>"Yippie ki yay, motherfucker."
Die hard. ('Now I have a machine gun too. Ho. Ho. Ho.')

>
>"I see dead people."
Sixth Sense.

>
>"What's your favorite scary movie."

Scream.

Justin Hiltscher

Jose (JRDelirio) Diaz

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Jun 24, 2001, 2:44:03 PM6/24/01
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artyw wrote in message
<611bbe0d.01062...@posting.google.com>...

>
>I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore.

but remember to yell it out your window...

>
>You want me to hold the chicken salad?
>I want you to hold it between your knees.

I think it was just "You want me to hold the chicken?"

>
>You cant fight here, this is the War room.

...purity of essence...


Last 2 obviated due to extreme recentness...

Kim

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"Dutch Jingleheimerschmidt" <mutigho...@aol.comMMMS> wrote in message
news:20010624043540...@ng-cf1.aol.com...

> But, um...how can you not have figured that out? I mean, I knew the deal
with
> deliverance before I ever saw it. Everyone knows that's the movie where
the
> city dwellers are attacked by vengeful rednecks, and Ned Beatty gets
raped. How
> can you appreciate the Simpsons, for example, if you don't know about
stuff
> like that?

Thank you - this was my entire point in a nutshell. I think that so much of
our "pop" culture is recycled from references to "older" pop culture, that
my husband *misses* a lot of the backhanded and often sly references that
others who are more literate in this stuff just *get*. Which is probably
*why* he hates "The Simpsons" - lots of references there. One of my favorite
episodes was the take-off with Sideshow Bob that was a complete re-telling
of Cape Fear. Having never *seen* Cape Fear - my husband thought the episode
sucked. If he *had* seen the original - he might have appreciated the
Simpson's take off a lot more.

Kim

Nostradamus (no longer a Jingleheimerschmidt)

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Jun 24, 2001, 3:59:34 PM6/24/01
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I was thinking more in the vein of "cultured and literate" rather than
"knowledgable in the things that most people in this society would
know about."

Sure my list was hard -- even I wouldn't get more than about half
right -- because I don't believe that if you miss some answers you are
illiterate. But I did try to spread the questions somewhat across
different eras and cultures.

Nostradamus (no longer a Jingleheimerschmidt)

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Jun 24, 2001, 4:01:51 PM6/24/01
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On Sun, 24 Jun 2001 15:15:45 -0400, "Kim" <ki...@NOSPAMfamily-net.org>
wrote:

You think your husband is an ignoramus because he can field-strip a
Harley but doesn't like the Simpsons?

Nostradamus (no longer a Jingleheimerschmidt)

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Jun 24, 2001, 4:10:04 PM6/24/01
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On Sun, 24 Jun 2001 17:04:22 GMT, "Bob E." <bob...@halted.com> wrote:

>I'm guessing they are referring to Al Pacino's line from "Scarface"...
>"Say hello to my little friend". Again, if this defines a high point
>of our culture, I shudder.

If it were a euphemism for his getting his period, I'd say it was an
important moment in our culture.

Kim

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Jun 24, 2001, 4:28:34 PM6/24/01
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"Nostradamus (no longer a Jingleheimerschmidt)" <n...@nostradamus.net> wrote
in message news:3b3645d6....@news.concentric.net...

> On Sun, 24 Jun 2001 15:15:45 -0400, "Kim" <ki...@NOSPAMfamily-net.org>

> You think your husband is an ignoramus because he can field-strip a


> Harley but doesn't like the Simpsons?

Naw - The Simpson's isn't really one of my favorites either - but he knows
*nothing* about the Knights that say Ni, he hates MadTV, and thinks the only
movie that really *needed* to be made was "Beyond the Law" (starring Charlie
Sheen).

Not exactly an ignoramus - just bordering on bizarre.

Kim

Shawn Wilson

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Jun 24, 2001, 4:29:38 PM6/24/01
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"Justin Hiltscher" <jus...@elvira.mntp1.il.home.com> wrote in message
news:slrn9jccng...@elvira.mntp1.il.home.com...


> >"An intelligent carrot?"
>
> Ouch! Got me.


The Thing From Another world. Scientist describes the thing, listener
responds.


> >"Oh, that's alright, we're married."
> Hmmm. Got me again.


The Thin Man.

Cop pulls pistol from Nora Charles' bureau, comments on Sullivan Act (gun
control law). Nora responds with above, which is a play on the Mann Act
(regarding transporting women across state lines for immoral purposes).


Greg Goss

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Jun 24, 2001, 4:56:33 PM6/24/01
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"Helge Moulding" <hmou...@excite.com> wrote:

>Joe Shimkus wrote,
>> Oh, my God! It's full of stars.
>
>I feel I ought to recognize this one. Is that from 2001,
>when Dave falls into the monolith? Believe it or not, but
>I've never seen that movie from beginning to end.

They play the tape over and over again at various places in 2010,
wondering what he meant. I don't recall ever noticing him say it in
2001. I recall the approach to the stargate taking place in total
silence.


Greg Goss

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Greg Goss

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Jun 24, 2001, 5:00:07 PM6/24/01
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ar...@my-deja.com (artyw) wrote:

>> Never go against a Sicilian when death's on the line."
>The Godfather?

Feels like "The Princess Bride" to me.

>I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore.

Network? I've only seen it in commentary.

>You cant fight here, this is the War room.
>
>I'll be Back

You have to indicate the accent somehow.

>Life is like a box of chocolates

The author of the book hates that phrase

Greg Goss

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ar...@my-deja.com (artyw) wrote:

>> "I have a bad feeling about this."
>Jaws?

A Lucas film, not a Spielberg. But they've always hung out pretty
closely.

Greg Goss

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Jun 24, 2001, 5:03:07 PM6/24/01
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jus...@elvira.mntp1.il.home.com (Justin Hiltscher) wrote:

>>"I have a bad feeling about this."
>
>All movies (so far) with "Star Wars" in their title. Episode IV being
>the first, chronologically.

I haven't watched the whole of http://www.asciimation.co.nz/ which
also has Star Wars in the title. Does it include the ENTIRE script?


Greg Goss

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Jun 24, 2001, 5:08:36 PM6/24/01
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n...@nostradamus.net (Nostradamus (no longer a Jingleheimerschmidt))
wrote:

>I suggest we test him with something along these lines:
>

>3. Name at least one signer of the Declaration of Independence.

List off insurance companies and banks. For some reason they like to
choose names from that document.

>8. Where is the Belgian Congo?

In the Congo valley.

>9. Who was Kong-fu zi?

I usually spell it Kung. He's a lot more famous under his latinized
name.

I only get six. Seven if you accept a really generic answer for
"Merchant".

Greg Goss

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Jun 24, 2001, 5:08:52 PM6/24/01
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n...@nostradamus.net (Nostradamus (no longer a Jingleheimerschmidt))
wrote:

>11. What is a clutch basket?

It's where you keep all your eggs?

Asterbark

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I do my crosswords in pen, and I only say so to demonstrate that it doesn't
mean anything special.

--
Aster
"Do you know how many green potato chips you'd have to eat to kill yourself?
Fifty kajillion, that's how many." --c.a.

Mike Williams

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Jun 24, 2001, 4:36:33 PM6/24/01
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Wasn't it Justin Hiltscher who wrote:
>In article <sUgZ6.5382$kx3.5...@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
>Shawn Wilson wrote:

>>"An intelligent carrot?"
>
>Ouch! Got me.

It came from beyond space.

--
Mike Williams
Gentleman of Leisure

GrapeApe

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Jun 24, 2001, 5:30:38 PM6/24/01
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>Thank you - this was my entire point in a nutshell. I think that so much
>of
>our "pop" culture is recycled from references to "older" pop culture, that
>my husband *misses* a lot of the backhanded and often sly references that
>others who are more literate in this stuff just *get*. Which is probably
>*why* he hates "The Simpsons" - lots of references there. One of my favorite
>episodes was the take-off with Sideshow Bob that was a complete re-telling
>of Cape Fear. Having never *seen* Cape Fear - my husband thought the episode
>sucked. If he *had* seen the original - he might have appreciated the
>Simpson's take off a lot more.

If I weren't such a cultural illiterate myself, I could remember the exact
wording of the quote that reads something along the lines of "ignorance of ones
culture is no excuse".

I would probably fail mightily in a quiz about television during the past 20
years, much of which I have ignored, but I have yet to have been exposed to a
cultural reference within the Simpsons that was not rather well known if not
obvious, anything that would raise a feeling of 'hmm, that might be a bit TOO
obscure". Of course, they could be shooting over my bow quite frequently,
given as I have only watched incidentally since the 3rd or fourth season.

There is a gag in Toy Story 2 , Buzz Lightyear under an elevator, to which the
directors say "Cape Fear" and roll all over themselves laffing. Well for one
thing, when someone says Cape Fear, I think of Mitchum rather than the De Niro
version the Toy Story chaps were referencing (not a terribly good turn for
Scorsese really), but I did have to be reminded there could have been such a
scene in what I am thinking is the DeNiro version. (or further more, several
other such he's hiding under the bed/elevator/in the axle of the truck cleches
from countless other suspense films.

Lalbert1

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Jun 24, 2001, 5:44:15 PM6/24/01
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In article <20010624171218...@ng-fw1.aol.com>,
aste...@aol.commiles (Asterbark) writes:

>I do my crosswords in pen, and I only say so to demonstrate that it doesn't
>mean anything special.

I also do the Times crossword in pen. There's a trick to it: just don't make
any mistakes.

Les

Asterbark

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Jun 24, 2001, 5:55:08 PM6/24/01
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lalb...@aol.com (Lalbert1) wrote:


What do you win? How long does the sense of accomplishment last?

I just started 'Inferno' in this month's World of Puzzles, but you still have
to get your postcard picked out of a barrel to win $1000. (5 runners-up win a
T-shirt).

Boron Elgar

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On 24 Jun 2001 10:29:51 -0700, ar...@my-deja.com (artyw) wrote:


>
>You cant fight here, this is the War room.
>

Dr. Strangelove

Boron

Lalbert1

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Jun 24, 2001, 6:44:36 PM6/24/01
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In article <20010624175508...@ng-fw1.aol.com>,
aste...@aol.commiles (Asterbark) writes:

>lalb...@aol.com (Lalbert1) wrote:
>>
>>In article <20010624171218...@ng-fw1.aol.com>,
>>aste...@aol.commiles (Asterbark) writes:
>>
>>>I do my crosswords in pen, and I only say so to demonstrate that it doesn't
>>>mean anything special.
>>
>>I also do the Times crossword in pen. There's a trick to it: just don't
>>make
>>any mistakes.
>
>
>What do you win? How long does the sense of accomplishment last?
>

I don't need to win anything; I just enjoy doing them. After completing a
puzzle the sense of accomplishment lasts about 10 seconds.

>I just started 'Inferno' in this month's World of Puzzles, but you still have
>to get your postcard picked out of a barrel to win $1000. (5 runners-up win a
>T-shirt).

I don't know what World of Puzzles is, but if you're trying to make money out
of it then it sounds about as promising as winning the lottery.

Les
("write if you get work .....")


Briar Rose

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Jun 24, 2001, 7:01:34 PM6/24/01
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Greg Goss <go...@mindlink.com> wrote:

>ar...@my-deja.com (artyw) wrote:
>>I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore.
>Network? I've only seen it in commentary.

Yeah, _Network_. We watched this as part of my
core class at UCSC. It's really weird to have seen
this movie, and then to watch TV nowadays. It's
also kinda cool to see how many shows make reference
to moments in _Network_. It's one of those things
where, if you aren't aware of it, you aren't really
missing anything, but if you are, your life is a
tiny bit richer.

>>You cant fight here, this is the War room.

_Dr. Strangelove_. One of a series of movies that
I had never seen, that Erich remembered that I wanted
to watch and rented one night.

>>Life is like a box of chocolates
>The author of the book hates that phrase

My brother is a longtime regular on rec.arts.movies.
When _Forrest Gump_ came out, there was a long thread
on "Gumpisms that should've been" or somesuch, that he
shared with me. My favorite was "Life is like a bowl
of rice in Indochina: sometimes you can't sit back
and enjoy it without getting your ass shot off."

:) Connie-Lynne

--
"Thank God for Frito-Lay. It did not market Chee-tos as 'dangerously
cheesy' until after, and ONLY after, it had developed a Chee-to whose
cheesiness exceeded acceptable safety standards."
-- The Onion

Just plain Nostradamus

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Jun 24, 2001, 7:13:43 PM6/24/01
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On 24 Jun 2001 21:12:18 GMT, aste...@aol.commiles (Asterbark) wrote:

>I do my crosswords in pen,

You're in good company -- Cecil's father did the same.

tooloud10

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Jun 24, 2001, 7:18:58 PM6/24/01