Mother of The Year

[Tim Wright]

Just got back from a bit of shopping. Actually, the wife was shopping,
I was sitting in the truck people watching. On the next aisle over, I
noticed a police officer walk up to a parked car and start making
motions. There was movement inside the car, and soon the door opened.
The officer reached in, rolled down the window, then closed the door and
starting having a conversation with the occupant. From what I could
see, the sole occupant of the car was a girl between 5 and 7. She had
been sitting in a black Honda SUV with all the windows rolled up. Now
it was only 91F, and the sun was going down as it was around 8pm local
time.

The officer talked with the little girl for several minutes, then mom
finally arrives, with a fully loaded shopping cart and what looked like
a 2 year old. Needless to say, words were exchanged between the mom and
the cop. The conversation was ongoing when we left, so I don't know
what sort of resolution was reached. I would hope a stiff fine at a
bare minimum, if not a visit from CPS.
--

Tim W

[jeff_wisnia]

Marilyn explained recently that the reason the inside of a car gets so
hot in the sun is that common auto window glass passes thw wavelengths
of the sun's light into the car quite well, but the IR wavelengths
coming off the heated surfaces inside the car don't pass out through the
window glass as easily.

I'm not a physicist, so don't take that as gospel yet, Marilyn is
sometimes not right on target with her answers.

Jeff

--
Jeffry Wisnia
(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
The speed of light is 1.8*10e12 furlongs per fortnight.

[Mark Brader]

jeff_wisnia:

> Marilyn explained recently that the reason the inside of a car gets so
> hot in the sun is that common auto window glass passes thw wavelengths
> of the sun's light into the car quite well, but the IR wavelengths
> coming off the heated surfaces inside the car don't pass out through the
> window glass as easily.

She was right. There's a reason we have the phrase "greenhouse effect",
and this is it.
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[danny burstein]

In <pLCdnZeL09QtXSvS...@vex.net> m...@vex.net (Mark Brader) writes:

>jeff_wisnia:
>> Marilyn explained recently that the reason the inside of a car gets so
>> hot in the sun is that common auto window glass passes thw wavelengths
>> of the sun's light into the car quite well, but the IR wavelengths
>> coming off the heated surfaces inside the car don't pass out through the
>> window glass as easily.

>She was right. There's a reason we have the phrase "greenhouse effect",
>and this is it.

Umm, not quite...

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[Xho Jingleheimerschmidt]

On 05/17/2012 07:54 PM, Tim Wright wrote:
> Just got back from a bit of shopping. Actually, the wife was shopping, I
> was sitting in the truck people watching. On the next aisle over, I
> noticed a police officer walk up to a parked car and start making
> motions. There was movement inside the car, and soon the door opened.
> The officer reached in, rolled down the window, then closed the door and
> starting having a conversation with the occupant.

So the girl inside knew how to open a fucking door, eh? Think she knew
how to roll down a window, too?

Xho

[Tim Wright]

Obviously the ignition key was on, possibly the engine as well. Still,
leaving a kid that age alone in a possibly running car is never a good idea.


--

Tim W

[Veronique]

Why is it obvious the ignition key was in the car?


V.
--
Veronique Chez Sheep

[Les Albert]

This is a case for Slylock Fox:

http://joshreads.com/images/11/04/i110418slylock.jpg

Les

[Tim Wright]

Cop was able to lower the electric windows.



--

Tim W

[Greg Goss]

We haven't been told if the windows were electric or geared. Electric
windows only work when the car is on.
--
I used to own a mind like a steel trap.
Perhaps if I'd specified a brass one, it
wouldn't have rusted like this.

[Charles Bishop]

In article <pLCdnZeL09QtXSvS...@vex.net>, m...@vex.net (Mark

Brader) wrote:

>jeff_wisnia:
>> Marilyn explained recently that the reason the inside of a car gets so
>> hot in the sun is that common auto window glass passes thw wavelengths
>> of the sun's light into the car quite well, but the IR wavelengths
>> coming off the heated surfaces inside the car don't pass out through the
>> window glass as easily.
>
>She was right. There's a reason we have the phrase "greenhouse effect",
>and this is it.

Dim memory says that the effect is more that the glass is a barrier so
theat breezes don't carry away the heat that is in the greenhouse (or car,
I assume). This was presented as a sort of debunking to the fact that
glass transmittes some wavelenghts and not others.

Or, is auto window glass different from window glass?

--
charles, if so, nevermind, bishop

[Bob E.]

Only in that it flows to the back due to the motion of the car, rather
than down.

--Bob

[Snidely]

Bob E. speculated:

Are you thinking of auto stained window glass?

/dps "the unlead came"

--
Who, me? And what lacuna?

[Howard Hola Hail]

"Bob E." <bo...@halted.com> wrote in

I thought that was an urban myth, and the reason that old windows are
thinner at the top is that glass is actually lighter than air, and got
thinner due to evaporation. That's also why old glass tended to have air
bubbles in it -- to help weigh it down, and why they originally made leaded
crystal.

[Snidely]

I see where you're going ... it's the old bubble-bauble switcherooo!
/dps

[Snidely]

Tim explained on 5/19/2012 :

> Can a parent be fined for leaving a 5 year old in a parked car? What
> is the charge?

California has a law specifically about that, Kaitlyn's Law:

<http://www.ci.costa-mesa.ca.us/docs/Kaitlyns%20Law.pdf>

SB 255, California Vehicle Code 15620.

Other states may use existing child endangerment laws.

[Charles Wm. Dimmick]

I'm behind in my reading, so someone has probably already pointed out to
you that most modern cars do not allow you to roll down the windows if
you don't have a key to turn on the ignition.

Charlesw

[Mark Brader]

Tim Wright:
>>> ... There was movement inside the car, and soon the door opened.

>>> The officer reached in, rolled down the window, then closed the door
>>> and starting having a conversation with the occupant.

"Xho Jingleheimerschmidt":

>> So the girl inside knew how to open a fucking door, eh? Think she knew
>> how to roll down a window, too?

Charles Wm. Dimmick:

> I'm behind in my reading, so someone has probably already pointed out to
> you that most modern cars do not allow you to roll down the windows if
> you don't have a key to turn on the ignition.

Yes, they have. And nobody called attention then to the verb in Tim's
posting being "roll". Am I the only one here who thinks that that
choice of verb means that they *weren't* power windows?
--
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[Tim Wright]

On 5/22/2012 3:42 PM, Mark Brader wrote:
> Tim Wright:
>>>> ... There was movement inside the car, and soon the door opened.
>>>> The officer reached in, rolled down the window, then closed the door
>>>> and starting having a conversation with the occupant.
>
> "Xho Jingleheimerschmidt":
>>> So the girl inside knew how to open a fucking door, eh? Think she knew
>>> how to roll down a window, too?
>
> Charles Wm. Dimmick:
>> I'm behind in my reading, so someone has probably already pointed out to
>> you that most modern cars do not allow you to roll down the windows if
>> you don't have a key to turn on the ignition.
>
> Yes, they have. And nobody called attention then to the verb in Tim's
> posting being "roll". Am I the only one here who thinks that that
> choice of verb means that they *weren't* power windows?

As an old fart, I roll down car windows, dial a phone, and type on a
keyboard. What is your verb of choice?

--

Tim W

[Mark Brader]

Mark Brader:

>> Yes, they have. And nobody called attention then to the verb in Tim's
>> posting being "roll". Am I the only one here who thinks that that
>> choice of verb means that they *weren't* power windows?

Tim Wright:

> As an old fart, I roll down car windows, dial a phone, and type on a
> keyboard. What is your verb of choice?

In a car with power windows, I "put the window down" or "open
the window". I "dial" a phone if I'm telling it what number to
connect to, but if I have to use the keypad again after that to
choose an option or to supply an account number or password,
I switch to the same verbs I'd use with a keyboard: I "press"
a single key or "type" a sequence of characters.

Your mileage may vary.
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My text in this article is in the public domain.

[Greg Goss]

Most people I know who have long had power windows use verbs that
focus on the effect, rather than the technique. You "lower" a window
or "open" it.

[Lee Ayrton]

On Tue, 22 May 2012 16:30:46 -0600, Greg Goss wrote:

> Tim Wright <tlwri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>On 5/22/2012 3:42 PM, Mark Brader wrote:
>
>>> Yes, they have. And nobody called attention then to the verb in Tim's
>>> posting being "roll". Am I the only one here who thinks that that
>>> choice of verb means that they *weren't* power windows?
>>
>>As an old fart, I roll down car windows, dial a phone, and type on a
>>keyboard. What is your verb of choice?
>
> Most people I know who have long had power windows use verbs that focus
> on the effect, rather than the technique. You "lower" a window or
> "open" it.

But they still dial the phone.

[bill van]

In article <jphbfe$9e$5...@reader1.panix.com>,

It seems the phone manufacturers haven't found a better word for it
either. Both the wired and wireless phones in my place have "redial"
buttons.

bill

[Greg Goss]

Or, using "effect notation", they call someone. The techniques of
telling the phone how to make the connection vanish into the
background.

[Mark Brader]

Greg Goss:

>>> Most people I know who have long had power windows use verbs that focus
>>> on the effect, rather than the technique. You "lower" a window or
>>> "open" it.

Lee Ayrton:

>> But they still dial the phone.

Greg Goss:

> Or, using "effect notation", they call someone. The techniques of
> telling the phone how to make the connection vanish into the
> background.

Okay, then how do you tell the phone how to make the connection?

Sheesh.
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Toronto | Paris ...[because] no known motor can run at the
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| -- Orville Wright, March 1909

[M C Hamster]

On Fri, 18 May 2012 22:14:31 -0500, Tim Wright <tlwri...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Electric windows?
--

"Big Wheel Keep on Turnin'" -- Creedence Clearwater Revival

[Greg Goss]

m...@vex.net (Mark Brader) wrote:

>Greg Goss:
>>>> Most people I know who have long had power windows use verbs that focus
>>>> on the effect, rather than the technique. You "lower" a window or
>>>> "open" it.
>
>Lee Ayrton:
>>> But they still dial the phone.
>
>Greg Goss:
>> Or, using "effect notation", they call someone. The techniques of
>> telling the phone how to make the connection vanish into the
>> background.
>
>Okay, then how do you tell the phone how to make the connection?
>
>Sheesh.

You type in the number and press "call". Or most often, you select
the name from the phone "book".

[Mark Steese]

Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote in
news:a24e0r...@mid.individual.net:

> m...@vex.net (Mark Brader) wrote:
>
>>Greg Goss:
>>>>> Most people I know who have long had power windows use verbs that
>>>>> focus on the effect, rather than the technique. You "lower" a
>>>>> window or "open" it.
>>
>>Lee Ayrton:
>>>> But they still dial the phone.
>>
>>Greg Goss:
>>> Or, using "effect notation", they call someone. The techniques of
>>> telling the phone how to make the connection vanish into the
>>> background.
>>
>>Okay, then how do you tell the phone how to make the connection?
>>
>>Sheesh.
>
> You type in the number and press "call". Or most often, you select
> the name from the phone "book".

Speaking as someone who learned how to touch type back before most people
had even seen a computer keyboard, I can assure you that entering a number
into a cellphone is nothing like typing. I suppose "key in the number"
might work.
--
The Alps are grand in their beauty, Mount Shasta is sublime in its
desolation. -William H. Brewer

[Kevin]

On Wed, 23 May 2012 03:15:02 -0500, m...@vex.net (Mark Brader) wrote:

>Greg Goss:
>>>> Most people I know who have long had power windows use verbs that focus
>>>> on the effect, rather than the technique. You "lower" a window or
>>>> "open" it.
>
>Lee Ayrton:
>>> But they still dial the phone.
>
>Greg Goss:
>> Or, using "effect notation", they call someone. The techniques of
>> telling the phone how to make the connection vanish into the
>> background.
>
>Okay, then how do you tell the phone how to make the connection?
>
>Sheesh.

The yung peeple, IME, say "call" rather than "dial".

[Greg Goss]

Mark Steese <mark_...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Speaking as someone who learned how to touch type back before most people
>had even seen a computer keyboard, I can assure you that entering a number
>into a cellphone is nothing like typing. I suppose "key in the number"
>might work.

Entering the number into the phone app is a lot closer to typing than
what I do when entering text. I love my "swype" interface.

And, even though the typewriters had that shaped slug on the end of
the bar, it's still not all that close to setting type.

We're all oldsters here. I learned to touch-type on a manual
typewriter, before getting to 70 WPM on an electric.

Language isn't logical. So typing the number in is no closer to
setting lead type than it is to a dial. Shrug.

[Mark Brader]

Greg Goss:

> You type in the number and press "call".

Okay, fair enough. Unsheesh.
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Toronto in the States, unless you count the increasing
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[Mark Steese]

Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote in

news:a24jme...@mid.individual.net:

> Mark Steese <mark_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Speaking as someone who learned how to touch type back before most
>>people had even seen a computer keyboard, I can assure you that
>>entering a number into a cellphone is nothing like typing. I suppose
>>"key in the number" might work.
>
> Entering the number into the phone app is a lot closer to typing than
> what I do when entering text.

And walking up a flight of stairs is a lot closer to flying than lying
in a hospital bed is. That doesn't mean you should refer to climbing the
stairs as flying.

> I love my "swype" interface.

TMI.

> And, even though the typewriters had that shaped slug on the end of
> the bar, it's still not all that close to setting type.

That's probably why writing on a typewriter was called typing instead of
typesetting, yes.

> We're all oldsters here.

I'm not.

> I learned to touch-type on a manual typewriter, before getting to 70
> WPM on an electric.

They have electric typewriters in Canada? Wow.

> Language isn't logical.

Of course not. Did you think my objection to your usage was based on
logic? It wasn't.

> So typing the number in is no closer to setting lead type than it is
> to a dial. Shrug.

"Typing the number in" sounds wrong. That's all there is to it.
--
Each gull had his preferred attack technique. The Nibbler favored a
sharp bite to the Achilles tendon, while the Shitmeister would swoop
low, unloading his special delivery. And then there was Spike.
-Susan Casey

[Greg Goss]

Mark Steese <mark_...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote in

>> Entering the number into the phone app is a lot closer to typing than
>> what I do when entering text.

>> I love my "swype" interface.
>
>TMI.

Grin. You get the info anyhow. On a smartphone it's easier to slide
the finger through the various keys and let the computer guess what
word it thinks you're entering than to tap on the keys.

[Snidely]

on 5/23/2012, Mark Steese supposed :

> Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote in
> news:a24jme...@mid.individual.net:
>
>> Mark Steese <mark_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Speaking as someone who learned how to touch type back before most
>>> people had even seen a computer keyboard, I can assure you that
>>> entering a number into a cellphone is nothing like typing. I suppose
>>> "key in the number" might work.
>>
>> Entering the number into the phone app is a lot closer to typing than
>> what I do when entering text.
>
> And walking up a flight of stairs is a lot closer to flying than lying
> in a hospital bed is. That doesn't mean you should refer to climbing the
> stairs as flying.
>
>> I love my "swype" interface.
>
> TMI.
>
>> And, even though the typewriters had that shaped slug on the end of
>> the bar, it's still not all that close to setting type.
>
> That's probably why writing on a typewriter was called typing instead of
> typesetting, yes.
>
>> We're all oldsters here.
>
> I'm not.

And yet, "Speaking as someone who learned how to touch type back before
most people had even seen a computer keyboard" tempts us to think so.
Of course, we don't _know_ that you weren't a prototype for the
E-trade baby.

>
>> I learned to touch-type on a manual typewriter, before getting to 70
>> WPM on an electric.
>
> They have electric typewriters in Canada? Wow.

So that they can text the hydro-electric dams.

>
>> Language isn't logical.
>
> Of course not. Did you think my objection to your usage was based on
> logic? It wasn't.

But you tease us by couching your objection in terms meant to _sound_
logical: "I can assure you that entering a number into a cellphone is
nothing like typing." I suppose you can weasel out of that charge, but
you look silly and petty trying to do so.

[Mark Steese]

Snidely <snide...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:mn.ca267dc56cfc2a4d.127094@snitoo:

> on 5/23/2012, Mark Steese supposed :

>>> We're all oldsters here.
>>
>> I'm not.
>
> And yet, "Speaking as someone who learned how to touch type back
> before most people had even seen a computer keyboard" tempts us to
> think so.
> Of course, we don't _know_ that you weren't a prototype for the
> E-trade baby.

I was jokingly alluding to my pronounced immaturity, which will
doubtless be with me unto the grave. Next time I'll use a smiley. (You
deserve one for making me think of that vile commercial.)

[snip]

>>> Language isn't logical.
>>
>> Of course not. Did you think my objection to your usage was based on
>> logic? It wasn't.
>
> But you tease us by couching your objection in terms meant to _sound_
> logical: "I can assure you that entering a number into a cellphone is
> nothing like typing."

Yes, Greg's usage annoys me because it doesn't match my personal
experience. I didn't mean that to sound logical, but I see your point.
I'm sorry.

> I suppose you can weasel out of that charge, but you look silly and
> petty trying to do so.

I always look silly and petty, dear. But would you do me a favor and
avoid defaming weasels by associating them with an inferior entity like
me? You can say what you like about me, but show some respect to the
mustelids.
--
The least objectionable of the inland scavengers is the raven,
frequenter of the desert ranges, the same called locally "carrion crow."
He is handsomer and has such an air. -Mary Austin

[Snidely]

Mark Steese scribbled something on Saturday the 26th:
> Snidely <snide...@gmail.com> wrote in with

>> I suppose you can weasel out of that charge, but you look silly and
>> petty trying to do so.
>
> I always look silly and petty, dear. But would you do me a favor and
> avoid defaming weasels by associating them with an inferior entity like
> me? You can say what you like about me, but show some respect to the
> mustelids.

You're not cute and flexible with sharp teeth?
(I didn't know that polecat was anything other than an alternate name
for a skunk, but it appears the Anglo-American immigrants transplanted
the name across an ocean and into a different branch of the
SuperFamily.)

[Mark Steese]

Snidely <snide...@gmail.com> wrote in news:mn.d38a7dc5320b1ede.127094
@snitoo:

> Mark Steese scribbled something on Saturday the 26th:
>> Snidely <snide...@gmail.com> wrote in with
>
>>> I suppose you can weasel out of that charge, but you look silly and
>>> petty trying to do so.
>>
>> I always look silly and petty, dear. But would you do me a favor and
>> avoid defaming weasels by associating them with an inferior entity like
>> me? You can say what you like about me, but show some respect to the
>> mustelids.
>
> You're not cute and flexible with sharp teeth?

If I were, I'd have better things to do with my time.

> (I didn't know that polecat was anything other than an alternate name
> for a skunk, but it appears the Anglo-American immigrants transplanted
> the name across an ocean and into a different branch of the
> SuperFamily.)

The black-footed ferret is sometimes called 'American polecat.' It is a
mustelid, at least.

[Heather]

I still write a letter even though it is actually typed on the
computer and printed out. However, if it is sent over the internet
rather than printed I email it.


--
Heather