I've noticed on every VCR I've owned that there is no "eject" on the
stop button on a remote control. BUT, there *is* an eject on the stop button
on the VCR itself. Wouldn't it make sense to put an eject function on the
remote, to have the tape be able to pop out by the time I get up and get to
the machine, rather than have to wait for the machine to pop the tape out
while I wait? Am I crazy here, or is there some bigger picture I'm missing?
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In article <s00ger...@corp.supernews.com>, Rob Baran
<bar...@futureone.com> writes
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> Consider this a pragmatic question,
>
> I've noticed on every VCR I've owned that there is no "eject" on the
> stop button on a remote control. BUT, there *is* an eject on the stop button
> on the VCR itself. Wouldn't it make sense to put an eject function on the
> remote, to have the tape be able to pop out by the time I get up and get to
> the machine, rather than have to wait for the machine to pop the tape out
> while I wait? Am I crazy here, or is there some bigger picture I'm missing?
My VCR remote does not have the eject combined with stop button
(that way you don't accidentally eject the tape when trying to stop it,
which would be easier with the remote) but it does have a separate eject
button. It's a GE, for what it's worth.
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Ah, interesting. Of three I've owned, only the newest one has used "to
eject, press stop when already stopped" rather than a separate button.
> Wouldn't it make sense to put an eject function on the remote, to have
> the tape be able to pop out by the time I get up and get to the machine,
> rather than have to wait for the machine to pop the tape out while I wait?
Yes, and not only for that reason.
But the combined eject and stop button would be a bad choice on a wireless
remote. The reason is that they typically keeps transmitting the code as
long as you hold each button down. That's in case the VCR is just barely
picking up the signal (you know, you didn't point the thing in quite the
right direction, or the batteries are low, or your cat walked in front).
But for these same reasons, sometimes one button press on the remote will
register as two on the VCR -- it might start receiving the code, then miss
a little, then receive some more. So you might easily eject the tape when
you only meant to stop. And then you'd have to get up to put it back in,
undoing the convenience feature.
So the eject would have to be a separate button, making the remote that
little bit more expensive. And *they* think you'd have no reason to
eject the tape until you're in a position to do something with it anyway,
so there you are.
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I have an eject button separate from the stop button on a Sony SLV-E720
remote commander (that's what they call it). Quite useful & one of the few
commands I understand on the thing. *Now* I'm looking for a little button to
pull that sucker right back in..
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My JVC unit has a separate eject button on both the VCR and the remote.
I've wondered the same thing myself. The only answer I've come up with
is that the manufacturer figures you have to get up anyway to take the
tape out, so why bother putting the eject on the remote?
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John Dean wrote:
> I have an eject button separate from the stop button on a Sony SLV-E720
> remote commander (that's what they call it). Quite useful & one of the few
> commands I understand on the thing. *Now* I'm looking for a little button to
> pull that sucker right back in..
YEAH!
"Hey John, when you find it can I have one too? I rarely watch television, but
Video is a whole nother cup of tea. I want a remote that will stick the tape
back in, when I make a mistake and eject it!"
C
: I've noticed on every VCR I've owned that there is no "eject" on the
: stop button on a remote control. BUT, there *is* an eject on the stop button
<snip>
I myself have wondered about this for many years...
until one day I bought a VCR with the eject b button
on the remote. Still have it. I could post a jpg...
Maybe you just got the wrong VCR. The remote that came with my Sony SLV-799HF has an eject button.
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Many VCR remotes that do not have a separate "Eject" button will still eject a
copy-protected tape (including rentals) if you press the "Record" button (or
button combination). Just make sure it truly is copy-protected before getting
used to this feature and saving all that ejection time.
My Hitachi has an eject button on the remote. Maybe you need to move
to Europe?
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I've got a remote that will rummage around in the cupboard under the TV, find
the tape I used for last week's episode of "Walker, Texas Ranger", put it in
the machine, wind it to the start of the episode, bring me a beer, and
massage my feet in rare scented oriental oils while I watch it.
When she's done with that, send her over. I've got dishes that need doing,
and all my jeans are in the hamper.
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Yes, but he's talking about having a button on the remote that works for
both Stop and Eject, rather than two different buttons. So, you push Stop
twice essentially to eject the tape, like you do on the actual VCR itself.
He's talking about having a combination stop/eject button on the remote, not
separate buttons for each. I made the mistake the first time I read the
message too...
When we were young, my parents deliberately bought a VCR and TV
without a remote, so we wouldn't "get lazy." Then they foolishly had
a toddler, seven years younger than my brother and 10 years younger
than me. We taught her which shapes/colors to push to work the VCR,
tape, and stereo, and ended up with a voice-activated remote that
would change tapes for us.
We never did understand how using a remote to watch TV would have made
us lazy. Now my brother designs remotes for a living.
:) Connie-Lynne
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You know, I've seen a number of VCR's which eject if you press 'Record'
and the tape has had the recording tab removed. IOW, all of the
store-bought or rented tapes will eject, but your personal tapes that
you forgot to remove the tab from will be overwritten. I have yet to
decide if this is a bug or a feature.
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Nope. He was talking about how it would make sense "to have the tape be able
to pop out by the time I get up and get to the machine." That's not a function
one loses if the remote eject button isn't on the stop button. He mentioned
putting the eject function on the stop button only because that's where it is
on the VCR.
That said, I'm glad that my remote eject buttons are NOT on the stop button. I
would hate to accidentally hit stop twice and sit their, helplessly stranded
on the couch, while miles away in slow motion the tape ejects and it dawns on
me that I'm going to have to get up and push that stupid thing back in.
Keep that attitude, and all your genes will stay in the hamper.....
John ;)
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I just don't like to have to wait the extra few seconds for the tape to pop
out. My beer get warmer by the microsecond. But at least I know what VCR to
buy next now ;)
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Jaycatt wrote in message ...
>
>Colin Rosenthal <col...@toliman.uio.no> wrote in message
>news:7ts98b$e31$2...@readme.uio.no...
>> On Sun, 10 Oct 1999 00:36:22 -0700,
>> Rob Baran <bar...@futureone.com> wrote:
>> >Consider this a pragmatic question,
>> >
>> > I've noticed on every VCR I've owned that there is no "eject" on the
>> >stop button on a remote control. BUT, there *is* an eject on the stop
>button
>> >on the VCR itself. Wouldn't it make sense to put an eject function on
the
>> >remote, to have the tape be able to pop out by the time I get up and get
>to
>> >the machine, rather than have to wait for the machine to pop the tape
out
>> >while I wait? Am I crazy here, or is there some bigger picture I'm
>missing?
>>
>> My Hitachi has an eject button on the remote. Maybe you need to move
>> to Europe?
>
>
>When we were young, my parents deliberately bought a VCR and TV
>without a remote, so we wouldn't "get lazy." Then they foolishly had
>a toddler, seven years younger than my brother and 10 years younger
>than me.
All at once? I mean, most kids start off as infants...wouldn't a
toddller HURT on the way out?
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"Gary S. Callison" wrote:
> Colin Rosenthal (col...@toliman.uio.no) wrote:
> : I've got a remote that will rummage around in the cupboard under the TV,
> : find the tape I used for last week's episode of "Walker, Texas Ranger",
> : put it in the machine, wind it to the start of the episode, bring me a
> : beer, and massage my feet in rare scented oriental oils while I watch
> : it.
>
> When she's done with that, send her over. I've got dishes that need doing,
> and all my jeans are in the hamper.
>
> --
> Huey
> <ducking from the onrushing feminist militia>
I'm not militant, I'm not even Feminist, but Huey, if you don't be nice to
her I'll teach her how to stuff you in the hamper.
C.
>
>
Phil Jern wrote:
Oh what an interesting picture in my head. My dad taught for the
Military, and what he taught was Misslemen Guidance systems. I recall one
saturday afternoon he decided to build a rocket for launch. He managed it
nicely, and the next weekend it was scheduled to go up, but it never did.
My Stepmother took the fuel tubes and hid them from me and my cousins,
being concerned with our welfare. It caused a very bitter fight too.
He didn't find them til a couple of years later. She had hid them in a
locked drawer in my dad's workbench. She said she had forgot where she hid
them and the Hobby Shoppe was closed on Sunday.
My dad still has that Rocket, it sits in his Den and on it is a small
cardboard placard, on it is printed in black ink. " This rocket should
have gone up in the air, but my wife wouldn't leave it alone."
I haven't thought about that rocket in a long time, I really should call
my dad and ask him if he ever intends to fly that thing, I doubt it.
Still if he decides to build another one, I want that one, just for what
is on the placard.
Thank you Phil for reminding me of this.
Camin
>I personally am very leery of any button that says "Eject" on it, as I
>immediately envision a large rocket lighting under my ass and sending
>me on an aerial tour of the neighborhood.
>
"If you say 'huh?' you're gonna be talking to yourself, because I'm gonna be
*gone*"
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Not necessarily. Even remotes for cheap VCRs often are programmed with
a degree of intelligence: the "number" keys, for instance, rarely are set
to transmit constantly (so you don't end up with channel 33 when you start
to enter "37"). Of course, with the stop button, you probably -do- want it
to transmit constantly -- there are times when you just need to turn the VCR
off quickly in one swoop (ie, answering a ringing phone) as opposed to hitting
the stop button multiple times in different positions.
However, this could be easily circumvented by having the remote programmed
to send a constant "stop" code for three seconds when held down, then transmit
the eject code on the 4th second. Ie, pressing stop for a second or two just
stops the tape, but hold it down for 4 seconds and it stops and ejects. Many
remotes have similar features for pause/slo-mo.
The most likely reason the manufacturers don't use that method is human
error -- ie, with someone sitting on their couch in the dark, trying to start
the tape and hitting stop instead. Having eject timed on that button would
add insult to injury -- not only would you be sitting there, in the dark,
trying to start the tape, but you might end up ejecting the tape, requiring
you to get up in the dark, head over to the VCR, put the tape back in, trip
over your coffee table, bang your head on the entertainment center, lose sight
in one eye, hire legal council, and sue the crap out of the person who
designed that freakin' remote.
Dave Cowen (es...@fische.net)
By the way, some VCR remotes to indeed have an eject button, but for why most
do not...
The bigger picture is that people would be Pissed off big time if they hit
eject by *mistake* and THEN had to go to the VCR and put the tape back in. Or
the dog sat on it and the machine failed to record something on timer record
(yes there are people who can operate the clock and timer)
If you NEED to eject the tape, chances are you are going to be NEAR the machine
to remove/change the tape. So if you can reach the tape, you can reach the
machine.
Better questions would be "why no controls on the VCR itself for play, record,
etc..." The answer here of course is "cheap". Even that fifty cent rechargeable
battery pr circuit that would keep the clock going (or set it automatically to
the video interval signals) isn't there because of greed.
But an even BETTER question is...
Why don't the universal remotes most buy as replacements have a PROGRAM key?
Because the way machines are designed with no controls on the box, all controls
on the remote, if you've lost your remote, your sunk. Some VCRs will not even
function if the clock needs to be reset (try setting the clock without a
remote...)
The answer is "nobody programs their VCR anyway". Well maybe they would if they
could find the remote...
> The bigger picture is that people would be Pissed off big time if they hit
> eject by *mistake* and THEN had to go to the VCR and put the tape back in. Or
> the dog sat on it and the machine failed to record something on timer record
> (yes there are people who can operate the clock and timer)
On my VCR (Panasonic) the timer is set using a bar-code sheet read by
a gizmo on the corner of the remote and once the timer is set the
motion control buttons on the remote are dead. You have to push a
button on the machine itself to clear it, or send a special bar-code.
--
Nick Spalding
My current VCR (a JVC HR-VP672U) is weird. There's no eject button on
the remote, but it does have a remote eject function. My cable box
came with a controller that can control three other devices, and when I
press the "exit" button (the button that clears the onscreen guides and
such when in cable mode) in VCR mode, the tape ejects.
Ed
I don't know if this was mentioned or not, but on many VCRs (as long as you
have a "broken tag" tape in the machine) pressing the record button will
eject the tape. This only works if the tape can't be recorded on.
<snip>
Jake
Huh?
Ed
This would be the same as hitting the stop button twice, since many machines
let the stop button double as an eject button.With 'can't record' equalling
stop, and the machine already being stopped, the machine logic ejects.
Many remotes do have an eject button, but it would be of limited service to
most, and perhaps cause some problems, because in most cases, no one needs to
eject the tape unless they are nearby 'at the machine' to catch it.
And if its a movie you rented, chances are the machine autosenses the missing
'recordable tag' and goes into play on insertion, and would reject at the end
of a rewind cycle.
Some machines do have rather lengthy rewind and eject cycles though. Barely
enough to justify an eject button on the remote however. Its not like hitting
eject is going to save you from dragging your ass off the couch by shooting it
across the room to you.
My JVC unit (from circa 1991) has one button for stop/eject on the unit,
but has a separate eject button on the remote. It's relatively
well-removed from the rest of the tape function controls, and has a
raised lip on either side of it, sort of like a trigger guard. However,
the power button is directly above it, and that too has a guard on it.
The buttons are different colors, but identical to the touch, and too
similarly placed for my sense of ergonomics.
I feel like such a dick when I bitch about such mundane things, but,
hey, having to get up and walk across the room after I've gotten
comfortable sucks, y'know?
Justin
What part of the operation would be different? Why do you have to get
up and go across the room? As someone said, it's not like the VCR is
going to shoot it across the room like Rube Goldberg's toaster, is it?
Won't it wait until you're READY to get up?
<snip>
> >My JVC unit (from circa 1991) has one button for stop/eject on the unit,
> >but has a separate eject button on the remote. It's relatively
> >well-removed from the rest of the tape function controls, and has a
> >raised lip on either side of it, sort of like a trigger guard. However,
> >the power button is directly above it, and that too has a guard on it.
> >The buttons are different colors, but identical to the touch, and too
> >similarly placed for my sense of ergonomics.
> >
> >I feel like such a dick when I bitch about such mundane things, but,
> >hey, having to get up and walk across the room after I've gotten
> >comfortable sucks, y'know?
> >
> >Justin
>
>
> What part of the operation would be different? Why do you have to get
> up and go across the room? As someone said, it's not like the VCR is
> going to shoot it across the room like Rube Goldberg's toaster, is it?
> Won't it wait until you're READY to get up?
I think Justin is saying that he sometimes accidentally hits the eject
button when he wants to hit the power button, thus making him trudge across
the room to put the tape back in the machine. I think.
Jake
>
>I think Justin is saying that he sometimes accidentally hits the eject
>button when he wants to hit the power button, thus making him trudge across
>the room to put the tape back in the machine. I think.
>
>Jake
>
>
Solution: Go DVD <g>
I've already done that and would never go back. Hell, even if the excellent
picture and Dolby Digital sound weren't there, I'd still go DVD just to not
have to deal with the rewinding/fast-forwarding crap...
Jake
>On Tue, 19 Oct 1999 13:06:03 -0500, "Jake Schmidt"
><jakes...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>I think Justin is saying that he sometimes accidentally hits the eject
>>button when he wants to hit the power button, thus making him trudge across
>>the room to put the tape back in the machine. I think.
>>
>>Jake
>>
>>
>Solution: Go DVD <g>
Is -really- difficult to record on a DVD...I've souped up laser
pointers to write on them, but they don't work real well and keep
shooting holes in the cats...
>On Tue, 19 Oct 1999 19:39:24 GMT, Bob Ward <rcw...@gte.net> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 19 Oct 1999 13:06:03 -0500, "Jake Schmidt"
>><jakes...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>I think Justin is saying that he sometimes accidentally hits the eject
>>>button when he wants to hit the power button, thus making him trudge across
>>>the room to put the tape back in the machine. I think.
>>>
>>>Jake
>>>
>>>
>>Solution: Go DVD <g>
>
>Is -really- difficult to record on a DVD...I've souped up laser
>pointers to write on them, but they don't work real well and keep
>shooting holes in the cats...
Perhaps the new Digital Video Recorders will ease the pain...
<looks around, mumbling to himself..."I KNOW that 'Joke' button is
around here somewhere...>
Correct, sir.
Justin
<snip>
> >Is -really- difficult to record on a DVD...I've souped up laser
> >pointers to write on them, but they don't work real well and keep
> >shooting holes in the cats...
>
>
> Perhaps the new Digital Video Recorders will ease the pain...
Actually, I think the price would increase the pain...
Jake