The New Jeff Gannon
Dana Carpender
http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2007/03/jeff-gannon-redux.html
Work safe, but links to stuff that is not.
Dana
Paul Ciszek
In article <stSdneK_ms7d5HLY...@insightbb.com>,
As with Mark Foley and Ted Haggard, the right is going to say that this
is all the liberal media's fault because no one would have known about
it if they hadn't reported it.
BTW, does the military accept claims of being "cured" of homosexuality?
Sanchez hasn't denied staring in the movies, but made a comment on the
blog you cite above that he is writing a book about how his "life changed
for the better". Alternatively, would the Corps buy a claim that, since
he only did it for the money, he was never actually gay? This guy must
have known when he signed up that this would surface eventually.
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Guillermo el Gato
<dcar...@kivanospam.net> wrote:
> From the You Can't Make This Shit Up Files:
There is *nothing* you can make up about this Administration that
won't eventually come true.
I guarantee you that monkeys will fly out of Cheney's ass.
>http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2007/03/jeff-gannon-redux.html
>
>Work safe, but links to stuff that is not.
Oh, that's just fuckin' unreal. I pray that he kissed Coulter when
they parted.
The AnsaMan
> On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 21:47:01 -0500, Dana Carpender
> <dcar...@kivanospam.net> wrote:
>
>> From the You Can't Make This Shit Up Files:
>
> There is *nothing* you can make up about this Administration that
> won't eventually come true.
>
> I guarantee you that monkeys will fly out of Cheney's ass.
Please be more specific. What kind of monkeys?
How many? Will they fly under their own propulsion
or will they fly as the result of a forceful evacuation
of Cheney's bowels?
Hey maybe if I get a set of "Barrel O' Monkeys"...
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M C Hamster
Ciszek) wrote:
>
>In article <stSdneK_ms7d5HLY...@insightbb.com>,
>Dana Carpender <dcar...@kivanospam.net> wrote:
>> From the You Can't Make This Shit Up Files:
>>http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2007/03/jeff-gannon-redux.html
>>
>>Work safe, but links to stuff that is not.
>
>As with Mark Foley and Ted Haggard,
Whatever happened to Mark Foley? I get the sense he never got out of
rehab.
I know Ted Haggard got cured of his homosexuality.
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Toujours, Le Petain d'Encule
> BTW, does the military accept claims of being "cured" of homosexuality?
> Sanchez hasn't denied staring in the movies, but made a comment on the
> blog you cite above that he is writing a book about how his "life changed
> for the better". Alternatively, would the Corps buy a claim that, since
> he only did it for the money, he was never actually gay? This guy must
> have known when he signed up that this would surface eventually.
Now, you would have to ask a question on which I actually know
something. Damnation, why is it this?
There actually is something called "gay for pay" in the adult
entertainment industry. And within that GfP, there's a pretty strong
cult following for military. Not just the military look, but the real
deal. There was a scandal about a year ago regarding a rather
entrpreneurial filmmaker who managed to get quite a few military
fellows to shuck their BVDs and get jiggy with each other for the
camera - for pay. He streamed the video for his subscribers from his
website.
Clever boys (and quite a few girls, one hears) also figured out how to
capture and save the streamed video and trade it online via torrent
and other P2P networks. The military managed somehow to find out and
courts martial ensued.
There's also a story circulating that another famous GfP star of the
'90s is currently serving in the military as a recruiter.
The fellow's blog says it pretty well: pr0n is deadening, which I
think is pretty consistent with what I've read from other actors
who've been in the industry. The military is mostly concerned with
what you've been doing in the last couple of years. This guys film
career ended in the mid 1990s, so he's been out of the business for
ten years now.
Surprising? Really. Gay pr0n stars are an interesting bunch.
Several are trying to go "straight" with singing careers and
mainstream theater work.
Sanchez hasn't made any claims about his sexuality, whether gay or
straight. He also doesn't make any bones (pardon the pun) about his
work in the porn world a decade or so ago. He doesn't claim to be
gay, straight, ex-gay, ex-straight, metro-sexual or a PETA fan.
Bill
Glenn Dowdy
"Toujours, Le Petain d'Encule" <bill.d...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> There actually is something called "gay for pay" in the adult
> entertainment industry. And within that GfP, there's a pretty strong
> cult following for military. Not just the military look, but the real
> deal. There was a scandal about a year ago regarding a rather
> entrpreneurial filmmaker who managed to get quite a few military
> fellows to shuck their BVDs and get jiggy with each other for the
> camera - for pay. He streamed the video for his subscribers from his
> website.
82nd Airborne guys, wasn't it?
Glenn D.
ra...@westnet.poe.com
<snip>
> BTW, does the military accept claims of being "cured" of homosexuality?
I rather doubt it, as doing so violates "Don't Ask, Don't Tell". The
point is that if you have to answer questions about your orientation,
you've "told" and thus can be expelled on that bassis.
As a result, expulsions of Homosexuals from the military went up
drasticly in the Clinton years. Thanks.
I don't know about how things are doing now, the military tends to turn a
blind eye as the needs of wartime mount, I wonder what the discharge rates
are now...
<googles>
Yep, just as I fugred, DADT was being use to oust gays lickety split
untill war came along:
http://www.sldn.org/binary-data/SLDN_ARTICLES/pdf_file/1897.pdf
John
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Richard R. Hershberger
I just read this guy's piece in Salon. I'm not sure what to make of
the episode. It clearly isn't Ted Haggard-style raging hypocrisy.
This guy's thing seems to be talking about fellow students at Columbia
saying negative things about the military, which could well be true.
Gay porn he did a decade ago is irrelevant to that. At the same time
his bit about how he figured his past would come out at some point,
followed by his distress at getting mean emails, is unconvincing. The
thing of it is, anyone who has done gay porn at any time in the past
and who wants to be a public figure today really only has one good
option: be totally up front about the gay porn from the very
beginning. Put the issue on the table immediately, so that any
distraction from your message is gotten out of the way early. The
injured innocent act comes across to me as either disingenous or kind
of stupid. It would be another matter if his public figure status had
been imposed on him, but as it is, things don't quite add up.
I am actually kind of curious about the Columbia bit. I gather that
he has been talking about all the negative things about his being in
the military he has been hearing from other students. Frankly, what
strikes me about this is that he is a guy in his 30s, working full
time (more than full time, likely: he says he just made partner in a
marketing firm) while going to college. How is it that he has the
time or the inclination to be socializing with the other students to
the point that it even comes up? It would be interesting to hear from
some of the other students.
Richard R. Hershberger
Blinky the Shark
> On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 21:47:01 -0500, Dana Carpender
><dcar...@kivanospam.net> wrote:
>
>> From the You Can't Make This Shit Up Files:
>
> There is *nothing* you can make up about this Administration that
> won't eventually come true.
George W. Bush was a one-term president, being defeated in his second
bid by John Kerry.
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Paul Ciszek
In article <1173383309.8...@n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
Richard R. Hershberger <rrh...@acme.com> wrote:
>
>I am actually kind of curious about the Columbia bit. I gather that
>he has been talking about all the negative things about his being in
>the military he has been hearing from other students. Frankly, what
>strikes me about this is that he is a guy in his 30s, working full
>time (more than full time, likely: he says he just made partner in a
>marketing firm) while going to college. How is it that he has the
>time or the inclination to be socializing with the other students to
>the point that it even comes up? It would be interesting to hear from
>some of the other students.
It had nothing to do with socializing; he was working a Marine
recruitment table at a campus event, and the incident with undergraduate
peaceniks ensued.
Paul Ciszek
In article <1173383309.8...@n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
Richard R. Hershberger <rrh...@acme.com> wrote:
><bill.diam...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Sanchez hasn't made any claims about his sexuality, whether gay or
>> straight. He also doesn't make any bones (pardon the pun) about his
>> work in the porn world a decade or so ago. He doesn't claim to be
>> gay, straight, ex-gay, ex-straight, metro-sexual or a PETA fan.
>
>I just read this guy's piece in Salon. I'm not sure what to make of
>the episode. It clearly isn't Ted Haggard-style raging hypocrisy.
In his e-mail interview on "Joe. By. God." he says the following:
JMG: Do you consider yourself gay?
SANCHEZ: Boyfriends: 0 Fiance: 2 Wife: 1. I'd say I'm pretty bad at
being gay.
and,
SANCHEZ: There's something about the beleaguered gay psyche that wants
to prove to the world that everyone is just as messed up as they are.
So, he considers gay people to be messed up, and denies being one.
Richard R. Hershberger
> In article <1173383309.844156.178...@n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
> Richard R. Hershberger <rrhe...@acme.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> >I am actually kind of curious about the Columbia bit. I gather that
> >he has been talking about all the negative things about his being in
> >the military he has been hearing from other students. Frankly, what
> >strikes me about this is that he is a guy in his 30s, working full
> >time (more than full time, likely: he says he just made partner in a
> >marketing firm) while going to college. How is it that he has the
> >time or the inclination to be socializing with the other students to
> >the point that it even comes up? It would be interesting to hear from
> >some of the other students.
>
> It had nothing to do with socializing; he was working a Marine
> recruitment table at a campus event, and the incident with undergraduate
> peaceniks ensued.
Ah, I see. That is quite different. It would be unsurprising if he
received intemperate comments, but a recruitment table will by its
nature attract those so inclined. This is not at all the same as
hearing similarly intemperate comments while standing in line at the
cafeteria. So it seems that he had nothing particularly interesting
to say in the first place.
Richard R. Hershberger
Leo G Simonetta
Ciszek) wrote:
>
> In article <1173383309.8...@n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
> Richard R. Hershberger <rrh...@acme.com> wrote:
> >On Mar 8, 1:29 pm, "Toujours, Le Petain d'Encule"
> ><bill.diam...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Sanchez hasn't made any claims about his sexuality, whether gay or
> >> straight. He also doesn't make any bones (pardon the pun) about his
> >> work in the porn world a decade or so ago. He doesn't claim to be
> >> gay, straight, ex-gay, ex-straight, metro-sexual or a PETA fan.
> >
> >I just read this guy's piece in Salon. I'm not sure what to make of
> >the episode. It clearly isn't Ted Haggard-style raging hypocrisy.
>
> In his e-mail interview on "Joe. By. God." he says the following:
>
> JMG: Do you consider yourself gay?
>
> SANCHEZ: Boyfriends: 0 Fiance: 2 Wife: 1. I'd say I'm pretty bad at
> being gay.
>
> and,
>
> SANCHEZ: There's something about the beleaguered gay psyche that wants
> to prove to the world that everyone is just as messed up as they are.
>
> So, he considers gay people to be messed up, and denies being one.
But being straight and appearing in gay porn for cash is just
dandy. OK. Fine.
My irony meter just pegged again.
--
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lsimo...@newsguy.com
Dana Carpender
Leo G Simonetta wrote:
I could see how the right would prefer this -- gay sex is by nature
sleazy, commercial, and impersonal, rather than personal, emotional, and
relationship-driven.
Now, if he'd had a 10 year "marriage" to another man, and been
completely monogamous -- *that* would be unacceptable. But instead,
he's a shining example of what a lot of people assume all gay sex is about.
Dana
Toujours, Le Petain d'Encule
> In article <1173383309.844156.178...@n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
>
> >On Mar 8, 1:29 pm, "Toujours, Le Petain d'Encule"
> ><bill.diam...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Sanchez hasn't made any claims about his sexuality, whether gay or
> >> straight. He also doesn't make any bones (pardon the pun) about his
> >> work in the porn world a decade or so ago. He doesn't claim to be
> >> gay, straight, ex-gay, ex-straight, metro-sexual or a PETA fan.
>
> >I just read this guy's piece in Salon. I'm not sure what to make of
> >the episode. It clearly isn't Ted Haggard-style raging hypocrisy.
>
> In his e-mail interview on "Joe. By. God." he says the following:
>
> JMG: Do you consider yourself gay?
>
> SANCHEZ: Boyfriends: 0 Fiance: 2 Wife: 1. I'd say I'm pretty bad at
> being gay.
>
> and,
>
> SANCHEZ: There's something about the beleaguered gay psyche that wants
> to prove to the world that everyone is just as messed up as they are.
>
> So, he considers gay people to be messed up, and denies being one.
That seems to have fallen off a cliff. I think you missed that
beleagured part. He didn't generalize that to read all gays, did he?
There certainly are some rather screwed up people, whether gay,
straight, indifferent. Or it could be irrelevant as to sexual
orientation. There are a fair number of people who simply like to be
miserable and define themselves by their misery and make themselves
the focus of attention.
That's not too strange, really. Pathetic, sure. But not unusual.
Toujours, Le Petain d'Encule
> "Toujours, Le Petain d'Encule" <bill.diam...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:1173378554.0...@c51g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > There actually is something called "gay for pay" in the adult
> > entertainment industry. And within that GfP, there's a pretty strong
> > cult following for military. Not just the military look, but the real
> > deal. There was a scandal about a year ago regarding a rather
> > entrpreneurial filmmaker who managed to get quite a few military
> > fellows to shuck their BVDs and get jiggy with each other for the
> > camera - for pay. He streamed the video for his subscribers from his
> > website.
>
> 82nd Airborne guys, wasn't it?
>
> Glenn D.
Several different units. I am so ashamed to admit I know about
this. You can google this: "Dirk Flamingo" and "activeduty.com" to
get all the gory details. Upshot is a lot of lives have been ruined.
Not that I think the guys showed much sense, but this is a
surprisingly large underground business.
Maybe if we paid the military better they wouldn't resort to umm
porn? I mean in my day, we paid the hookers. We rarely were the
hookers.
Bill
Mary
Hey, Bill. How have you been? Haven't seen you around for a while.
Mary
Richard R. Hershberger
<bill.diam...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 8, 6:43 pm, nos...@nospam.com (Paul Ciszek) wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article <1173383309.844156.178...@n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
> > Richard R. Hershberger <rrhe...@acme.com> wrote:
>
> > >On Mar 8, 1:29 pm, "Toujours, Le Petain d'Encule"
> > ><bill.diam...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> Sanchez hasn't made any claims about his sexuality, whether gay or
> > >> straight. He also doesn't make any bones (pardon the pun) about his
> > >> work in the porn world a decade or so ago. He doesn't claim to be
> > >> gay, straight, ex-gay, ex-straight, metro-sexual or a PETA fan.
>
> > >I just read this guy's piece in Salon. I'm not sure what to make of
> > >the episode. It clearly isn't Ted Haggard-style raging hypocrisy.
>
> > In his e-mail interview on "Joe. By. God." he says the following:
>
> > JMG: Do you consider yourself gay?
>
> > SANCHEZ: Boyfriends: 0 Fiance: 2 Wife: 1. I'd say I'm pretty bad at
> > being gay.
>
> > and,
>
> > SANCHEZ: There's something about the beleaguered gay psyche that wants
> > to prove to the world that everyone is just as messed up as they are.
>
> > So, he considers gay people to be messed up, and denies being one.
>
> That seems to have fallen off a cliff. I think you missed that
> beleagured part. He didn't generalize that to read all gays, did he?
That is ambiguous in the quoted text: "There's something about the
beleaguered gay psyche..." Is "beleaguered" intended to be
restrictive, that is to say "there is something about those gay
psyches that are beleaguered..." or non-restrictive, that is to say
"there is something about the gay psyche, which is beleaguered..."
There isn't enough context to tell which he intended.
Richard R. Hershberger
Toujours, Le Petain d'Encule
> Hey, Bill. How have you been? Haven't seen you around for a while.
>
> Mary
Miss you all. I haven't been around much of anywhere. Have not been
all that well, but hopefully will be getting better. Work has
consumed all available skills and thought.
But you know, just like saying "Bloody Mary" - start a thread about
Ann Coulter and well-endowed porno boys, and here I am!
Bill
Glenn Dowdy
Glenn D.
Toujours, Le Petain d'Encule
> "Toujours, Le Petain d'Encule" <bill.diam...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:1173467960....@c51g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...> On Mar 9, 1:31 pm, "Mary" <mrfeath...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >> Hey, Bill. How have you been? Haven't seen you around for a while.
>
> >> Mary
>
> > Miss you all. I haven't been around much of anywhere. Have not been
> > all that well, but hopefully will be getting better. Work has
> > consumed all available skills and thought.
>
> > But you know, just like saying "Bloody Mary" - start a thread about
> > Ann Coulter and well-endowed porno boys, and here I am!
>
> "Bitchandbutch"?
>
> Glenn D.
You win. I'm afraid of where this particular thread will head now,
though.
bill
groo
The various right wingers who have publicly decried homosexuality but
then subsequently caught having gay sex have not, in my memory, generally
been in a relationship. They were just having gay sex with someone,
usually a prostitute. Clearly THOSE right wingers don't think gay sex is
normal.
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Guillermo el Gato
John Holmes filmed a gay film. I don't think anybody accused him of
being gay.
Glenn Dowdy
"Le Petain d'Encule (The Blustery Bludgeon)" <lepe...@dencule.org> wrote in
message news:2007031021484043658-lepetain@denculeorg...
>
>
> Whatever sex *you* have is definitely not normal.
>
<blushes> Well, we try.
Glenn D.