Question about a scene in 'Jaws'
Dana Carpender
kay w wrote:
> Geoduck asks:
> >In the movie Jaws, there's a scene where the three would-be
> >shark-killers are hunkered down for the night in the boat, and two of
> >them (Quint the shark-hunter and Hooper the marine biologist) start
> >comparing their fish-inflicted scars. Brody the police chief watches
> >this and obviously feeling left out, silently lifts his shirt and
> >looks at a scar on his stomach. He finally decides not to bring it to
> >the others' attention. My question is, is it 'obviously' the scar from
> >an appendix operation, or was the character being modest?
>
> To me, it was Brody's realization that his appendix scar didn't compare well in
> the contest of the macho scars; Quint and Hooper gained their scars in more
> "manly" ways.
I sense thread merge arising -- aren't we back to "cojones, or lack of sense?"
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Joe Shimkus
<dcar...@kiva.net> wrote:
>kay w wrote:
>
>> Geoduck asks:
>> >In the movie Jaws, there's a scene where the three would-be
>> >shark-killers are hunkered down for the night in the boat, and two of
>> >them (Quint the shark-hunter and Hooper the marine biologist) start
>> >comparing their fish-inflicted scars. Brody the police chief watches
>> >this and obviously feeling left out, silently lifts his shirt and
>> >looks at a scar on his stomach. He finally decides not to bring it to
>> >the others' attention. My question is, is it 'obviously' the scar from
>> >an appendix operation, or was the character being modest?
>>
>> To me, it was Brody's realization that his appendix scar didn't compare
well in
>> the contest of the macho scars; Quint and Hooper gained their scars in more
>> "manly" ways.
>
>I sense thread merge arising -- aren't we back to "cojones, or lack of sense?"
Probably; it does point up the socialization of men in American society.
Quint and Hooper didn't really get their scars in "manly" ways any more
than Brody's supposed (do we really know?) appendectomy scar. Quint's was
from the removal of his tattoo of the U.S.S. Indianapolis (transported
"the bomb"; was it only the Hiroshima bomb? If so, what was the transport
for the Nagasaki bomb?) and Hooper's was from getting scraped (for lack of
a better description) by the tail of a shark (Thresher). Let's see...I
had a tattoo removed and he got scraped by the tail of a fish...hardly as
"manly" as being gored in Pamplona.
Quint also had a bump on his noggin; anybody remember what that was from?
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kay w
>Quint and Hooper didn't really get their scars in "manly" ways any more
>than Brody's supposed (do we really know?) appendectomy scar. Quint's was
>from the removal of his tattoo of the U.S.S. Indianapolis (transported
>"the bomb"; was it only the Hiroshima bomb? If so, what was the transport
>for the Nagasaki bomb?) and Hooper's was from getting scraped (for lack of
>a better description) by the tail of a shark (Thresher). Let's see...I
>had a tattoo removed and he got scraped by the tail of a fish...hardly as
>"manly" as being gored in Pamplona.
But, but... they had other scars, bites from a moray eel on one (Hooper?), and
something else bite-like on Quint...remember, they were going back and forth
*several* turns comparing scars? Until Hooper opens his shirt and points to
his "broken heart" and makes a comment about a childhood sweetheart? Then
Brody asks about Quint's former tattoo...
Surely I didn't make this up?
kay w
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Joe Shimkus
scu...@aol.coma (kay w) wrote:
You're correct. I guess the others didn't make that much of an impression
on me. Thinking harder about it...Quint had a problem with his arm which
was the result of some arm-wrestling contest against some "Chinaman", both
Quint and Hooper had some leg scar (the thresher for Hooper, was this a
moray eel in Quint's case?) and then there's still the bump on Quint's
noggin and Hooper's heart :-)
Brody was an outsider on the island. More is made of this in the novel
than was in the movie. Maybe this was part of placing Brody on the
outside in the movie? After all, Brody was the hero of the story and he
certainly wasn't positioned by his experience or knowledge to be the
hero. Quint had the fishing experience and Hooper had the science but
Brody came through in the end.
Dutch Courage
Didn't Brody have some sort of police scar?
And just think, if those drooling maroons had stayed sober, the witch wouldn't
have eaten Quint.
"I have made a ceaseless effort not to ridicule, not to bewail, not to scorn
human actions, but to understand them" -Spinoza
"The ridiculing and scorn, that's just gravy."-Courage
Dan Hanson
Quint was largely true.
The U.S.S. Indianalopis incident was a real black mark on the Navy. First,
the captain was disciplined for failing to take anti-sub manoevers on the
way back. But many felt that this was a cover-up by the Navy to account for
their failure to even know that the Indianapolis was missing. The surviving
men were in the water much, much longer than they should have been, and the
only reason any of them survived at all was because they were discovered by
accident.
Joe Shimkus <j...@shimkus.com> wrote in message
news:joe-061199...@bsg-ma1a-199.ix.netcom.com...
> In article <3824F0ED...@kiva.net>, Dana Carpender
> <dcar...@kiva.net> wrote:
>
> >kay w wrote:
> >
> >> Geoduck asks:
> >> >In the movie Jaws, there's a scene where the three would-be
> >> >shark-killers are hunkered down for the night in the boat, and two of
> >> >them (Quint the shark-hunter and Hooper the marine biologist) start
> >> >comparing their fish-inflicted scars. Brody the police chief watches
> >> >this and obviously feeling left out, silently lifts his shirt and
> >> >looks at a scar on his stomach. He finally decides not to bring it to
> >> >the others' attention. My question is, is it 'obviously' the scar from
> >> >an appendix operation, or was the character being modest?
> >>
> >> To me, it was Brody's realization that his appendix scar didn't compare
> well in
> >> the contest of the macho scars; Quint and Hooper gained their scars in
more
> >> "manly" ways.
> >
> >I sense thread merge arising -- aren't we back to "cojones, or lack of
sense?"
>
> Probably; it does point up the socialization of men in American society.
>
> Quint and Hooper didn't really get their scars in "manly" ways any more
> than Brody's supposed (do we really know?) appendectomy scar. Quint's was
> from the removal of his tattoo of the U.S.S. Indianapolis (transported
> "the bomb"; was it only the Hiroshima bomb? If so, what was the transport
> for the Nagasaki bomb?) and Hooper's was from getting scraped (for lack of
> a better description) by the tail of a shark (Thresher). Let's see...I
> had a tattoo removed and he got scraped by the tail of a fish...hardly as
> "manly" as being gored in Pamplona.
>
> Quint also had a bump on his noggin; anybody remember what that was from?
>
N Jill Marsh
> Didn't Brody have some sort of police scar?
Well, there's a possibility then that I didn't imagine that Brodie left
New York to go to the quiet, safe Amity Island because he had been shot in
the line of duty? I had always assumed this, or perhaps there is a
reference to it earlier in the book/movie, and in the scar scene he
started to bring it up, but then backed off.
I havet't seen the movie for years, but isn't Brodie's abdominal scar
pretty high up? You have to pull the waistband of your pants down pretty
far to see an appendix scar...
Which wou;dn't have happened until later in the evening, assuming they
hadn't all completely panic when those stick figures floated up and
started bumping against the boat.
njm
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Culturally Sensitive Ed
--[Discussing "Jaws" the movie]--
>Brody was an outsider on the island. More is made of this in the novel
>than was in the movie. Maybe this was part of placing Brody on the
>outside in the movie? After all, Brody was the hero of the story and he
>certainly wasn't positioned by his experience or knowledge to be the
>hero. Quint had the fishing experience and Hooper had the science but
>Brody came through in the end.
I'm not sure "came through" is quite the right term to use here.
It's the climax of the film; El Jaws (its mouth full of various "Bits o'
Boat Debris"<tm> including The Pressurized Tank/Bottle) is charging Brody
who has a rifle. Now, being able to resist screaming hysterically and
using the rifle on yourself *does* show some serious mettle on Brody's
part but he was taking one *hell* of a gamble. He had one shot at this
(literally and figuratively) and he had to hit the pressurized bottle or
become shark kibble...
(Please pardon my melodramatic analysis here but I first saw the end of
this movie when I was rather young and impressionable and it will always
be one of my All-Time Favorite Endings.)
Anyhow, there's Brody, facing certain doom with only one shot at a small,
fast-moving target. Did he stop to think whether or not the bottle was
pressurized (or pressurized *enough* to explode with enough force to kill
a shark that size)? Did the bottle get damaged in the attack? Was it, in
fact, an empty bottle? Even if any of these thoughts *had* passed through
his head would he have been able to tell by looking at it in the very
short time he had? No, he just saw the bottle, knew that it was used to
store highly pressurized gases, shouldered the rifle and aimed (while
speaking what could have very well been his last words) and pulled the
trigger. Holy cow, the shot could have ricochetted off the round bottle
and Brody = shark kibble! But no, the bottle *was* pressurized enough,
the shot *did* rupture the bottle and El Jaws = fish kibble.
No, my friends, "came through" is not so much what Brody did as "get
very fucking lucky." Thank you for indulging me :)
---
Culturally Sensitive Ed
rohmon <at> ksu.edu, www-personal.ksu.edu/~rohmon
"I am Vorn the Unspeakable! The skulls of those who
would defy me bleach in the suns of 100 worlds! ...And you are?"
Joe Shimkus
Sensitive Ed) wrote:
>j...@shimkus.com (Joe Shimkus) writes:
>
>--[Discussing "Jaws" the movie]--
>
>>Brody was an outsider on the island. More is made of this in the novel
>>than was in the movie. Maybe this was part of placing Brody on the
>>outside in the movie? After all, Brody was the hero of the story and he
>>certainly wasn't positioned by his experience or knowledge to be the
>>hero. Quint had the fishing experience and Hooper had the science but
>>Brody came through in the end.
>
> I'm not sure "came through" is quite the right term to use here.
>It's the climax of the film; El Jaws (its mouth full of various "Bits o'
>Boat Debris"<tm> including The Pressurized Tank/Bottle) is charging Brody
>who has a rifle. Now, being able to resist screaming hysterically and
>using the rifle on yourself *does* show some serious mettle on Brody's
>part but he was taking one *hell* of a gamble. He had one shot at this
>(literally and figuratively) and he had to hit the pressurized bottle or
>become shark kibble...
>
Actually he took at least 3 or 4 shots before he hit the tank.
>(Please pardon my melodramatic analysis here but I first saw the end of
> this movie when I was rather young and impressionable and it will always
> be one of my All-Time Favorite Endings.)
>
It's one of my all time favorite movies. Perhaps for the same reasons. I
would have been just shy of 13 the summer "Jaws" came out. I still
occasionally sing "Ladies of Spain" and "Swimmin' w/ bow-legged women" :-)
>Anyhow, there's Brody, facing certain doom with only one shot at a small,
>fast-moving target. Did he stop to think whether or not the bottle was
>pressurized (or pressurized *enough* to explode with enough force to kill
>a shark that size)? Did the bottle get damaged in the attack? Was it, in
>fact, an empty bottle? Even if any of these thoughts *had* passed through
>his head would he have been able to tell by looking at it in the very
>short time he had? No, he just saw the bottle, knew that it was used to
>store highly pressurized gases, shouldered the rifle and aimed (while
>speaking what could have very well been his last words) and pulled the
>trigger. Holy cow, the shot could have ricochetted off the round bottle
>and Brody = shark kibble! But no, the bottle *was* pressurized enough,
>the shot *did* rupture the bottle and El Jaws = fish kibble.
>
> No, my friends, "came through" is not so much what Brody did as "get
>very fucking lucky." Thank you for indulging me :)
>
Ok, change "came through" to "pulled it off". I've *never* been clear on
whether or not using the bottle was a plan or happenstance. Brody would
have known (or at least assumed correctly), from earlier in the film where
he loosened the rope holding the air tanks, that they were pressurized
(why would Hooper have brought uncharged tanks on board?). However, when
the shark crashes into the boat's cabin and Brody is trying to dissuade it
from chowing on him it sure looks like Brody's just flailing around using
whatever is at hand to prevent eventually coming out the ass end of the
shark. When Brody climbs out onto the mast and starts shooting at the
shark, it's rather obvious that he's going for the tank and not just
firing hoping to hit a ganglion or something. So, did he plan to use the
tank the way he did or did he, eureka!, realize that he could and the film
never showed that moment of realization?
D. P. Roberts
>"the bomb"; was it only the Hiroshima bomb? If so, what was the transport
>for the Nagasaki bomb?) and Hooper's was from getting scraped (for lack of
Did the Indianapolis do that? If so, it's famous for two things. The
other thing was being sunk without getting off a distress call. It
sank within minutes and the surviving crew floated in the water for
hours/days because no one knew they were there. They ended up using
the floating fuel as a sort of sunscreen. IIRC, about 600 survived
the sinking, but very few were actually rescued.
Geoduck
wrote:
(snip)
>You're correct. I guess the others didn't make that much of an impression
>on me. Thinking harder about it...Quint had a problem with his arm which
>was the result of some arm-wrestling contest against some "Chinaman", both
>Quint and Hooper had some leg scar (the thresher for Hooper, was this a
>moray eel in Quint's case?) and then there's still the bump on Quint's
>noggin and Hooper's heart :-)
(snip)
Quint had also lost part of a tooth in a barroom fight. Hooper was the
one bitten by the eel.
--
Geoduck
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Geoduck
wrote:
(snip)
>Ok, change "came through" to "pulled it off". I've *never* been clear on
>whether or not using the bottle was a plan or happenstance. Brody would
>have known (or at least assumed correctly), from earlier in the film where
>he loosened the rope holding the air tanks, that they were pressurized
>(why would Hooper have brought uncharged tanks on board?).
(snip)
Actually, when Brody knocked over the tanks, Hooper specifically
berated him to be careful, because the tanks were filled and
potentially explosive.
Bermuda999
>On Sun, 07 Nov 1999 01:35:35 -0500, j...@shimkus.com (Joe Shimkus)
>wrote:
>
>(snip)
>>You're correct. I guess the others didn't make that much of an impression
>>on me. Thinking harder about it...Quint had a problem with his arm which
>>was the result of some arm-wrestling contest against some "Chinaman", both
>>Quint and Hooper had some leg scar (the thresher for Hooper, was this a
>>moray eel in Quint's case?) and then there's still the bump on Quint's
>>noggin and Hooper's heart :-)
>(snip)
>
>Quint had also lost part of a tooth in a barroom fight. Hooper was the
>one bitten by the eel.
Sequence:
-Brody nurses small bump on forehead
-Quint tells him it's not permanent and takes out his tooth to show gap (no
explanation of source)
-Quint has Hooper feel bump on his head from St. Patrick's Day fight in Boston
-Hooper shows moray eel bite mark on his arm
-Quint shows arm damage from arm wrestling in San Francisco
-Hooper shows bull shark mark on leg
-Quint shows thresher shark mark on his leg
-Brody looks briefly at small scar on lower abdomen, says nothing
-Hooper points to his broken heart
-Brody asks about Quint's left arm scar
-Quint tells about the tattoo removal and the Indianapolis shark story
-Brody scared by noise from whale
Culturally Sensitive Ed
>In article <803dc3$3...@unix2.cc.ksu.edu>, re...@address.in.sig (Culturally
>Sensitive Ed) wrote:
>>j...@shimkus.com (Joe Shimkus) writes:
>>
>>--[Discussing "Jaws" the movie]--
>>
>>>hero. Quint had the fishing experience and Hooper had the science but
>>>Brody came through in the end.
>>
>> I'm not sure "came through" is quite the right term to use here.
>>It's the climax of the film; El Jaws (its mouth full of various "Bits o'
>>Boat Debris"<tm> including The Pressurized Tank/Bottle) is charging Brody
>>who has a rifle. Now, being able to resist screaming hysterically and
>>using the rifle on yourself *does* show some serious mettle on Brody's
>>part but he was taking one *hell* of a gamble. He had one shot at this
>>(literally and figuratively) and he had to hit the pressurized bottle or
>>become shark kibble...
>Actually he took at least 3 or 4 shots before he hit the tank.
Really? Dang, I guess my memory ain't what it used to be.
>> No, my friends, "came through" is not so much what Brody did as "get
>>very fucking lucky." Thank you for indulging me :)
>Ok, change "came through" to "pulled it off". I've *never* been clear on
>whether or not using the bottle was a plan or happenstance. Brody would
>have known (or at least assumed correctly), from earlier in the film where
>he loosened the rope holding the air tanks, that they were pressurized
>(why would Hooper have brought uncharged tanks on board?). However, when
>the shark crashes into the boat's cabin and Brody is trying to dissuade it
>from chowing on him it sure looks like Brody's just flailing around using
>whatever is at hand to prevent eventually coming out the ass end of the
>shark. When Brody climbs out onto the mast and starts shooting at the
>shark, it's rather obvious that he's going for the tank and not just
>firing hoping to hit a ganglion or something. So, did he plan to use the
>tank the way he did or did he, eureka!, realize that he could and the film
>never showed that moment of realization?
Yeah, true. Whatever the case though, great movie and ending. As I
recall, part of the reason I liked the ending so much was because I was a
kid (and thus forbidden from swearing) liked how the movie did the whole,
"Die, you son of a..." *BOOM!* I went around for days after that,
shouldering an imaginary rifle, aiming at an imaginary Jaws and repeating
that phrase over and over again complete with Little Kid Explosion SFX.
---
Culturally Sensitive Ed
rohmon <at> ksu.edu, www-personal.ksu.edu/~rohmon
I'm fine and doidy. Doidy doidy doidy!!
P.S. You'd think for being one of my All Time Favorite Ending I might've
remembered a little better than I did. Geez.
Aaron Brandon
Deborah <sjf...@aol.com.net.org> wrote in message
news:19991108061847...@ngol05.aol.com...
> bermu...@aol.com (Bermuda999) writes:
>
> >Sequence:
> >
> >-Brody nurses small bump on forehead
> >-Quint tells him it's not permanent and takes out his tooth to show gap
(no
> >explanation of source)
> >-Quint has Hooper feel bump on his head from St. Patrick's Day fight in
> >Boston
> >-Hooper shows moray eel bite mark on his arm
> >-Quint shows arm damage from arm wrestling in San Francisco
> >-Hooper shows bull shark mark on leg
> >-Quint shows thresher shark mark on his leg
> >-Brody looks briefly at small scar on lower abdomen, says nothing
> >-Hooper points to his broken heart
> >-Brody asks about Quint's left arm scar
> >-Quint tells about the tattoo removal and the Indianapolis shark story
> >-Brody scared by noise from whale
>
shark
> hunters.
>
> Best regards from Deborah
>
Easy:
Compare hairdos
Talk about shoe-shopping bargains
Talk about "that slut Heather" since she isn't on the boat.
Complain that men are bastards, and that they can't get a date.
Shark swims away, annoyed by whining.
I am *SO* in trouble for this...
Never watching _Ally McBeal_ or _Sex and the City_,
--
--Aaron
"I am no prophet--and here's no great matter"
T. S. Eliot
Gary S. Callison
: >from the removal of his tattoo of the U.S.S. Indianapolis (transported
My apologies, but that sounded wrong to me, so I went and grabbed this:
(excerpted from http://www.ussindianapolis.org/story.htm, without
permission, please don't sue me)
"...Of the 1,196 aboard, about 900 made it into the water in the twelve
minutes before she sank. Few life rafts were released. Most survivors wore
the standard kapok life jacket. Shark attacks began with sunrise of the
first day, and continued until the men were physically removed from the
water, almost five days later...."
"...Of the 900 who made it into the water only 317 remained alive. After
almost five days of constant shark attacks, starvation, terrible thirst,
suffering from exposure and their wounds, the men of the Indianapolis were
at last rescued from the sea..."
Sad, sad story.
--
Huey
Deborah
>Sequence:
>
>-Brody nurses small bump on forehead
>-Quint tells him it's not permanent and takes out his tooth to show gap (no
>explanation of source)
>-Quint has Hooper feel bump on his head from St. Patrick's Day fight in
>Boston
>-Hooper shows moray eel bite mark on his arm
>-Quint shows arm damage from arm wrestling in San Francisco
>-Hooper shows bull shark mark on leg
>-Quint shows thresher shark mark on his leg
>-Brody looks briefly at small scar on lower abdomen, says nothing
>-Hooper points to his broken heart
>-Brody asks about Quint's left arm scar
>-Quint tells about the tattoo removal and the Indianapolis shark story
>-Brody scared by noise from whale
Extra credit assignment: rewrite this scene to be played by three female shark
hunters.
Best regards from Deborah
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Randy Poe
Sensitive Ed) wrote:
>j...@shimkus.com (Joe Shimkus) writes:
> No, my friends, "came through" is not so much what Brody did as "get
>very fucking lucky." Thank you for indulging me :)
I saw it in the theaters, and have seen it again a few times on TV.
The first time I had the impression it was a plan, i.e., that he
figured he could improvise a bomb by getting it to swallow the oxygen
tank. On rewatches, I'm less certain about the plan/dumb luck thing.
Randy "wanna see my smallpox vaccination scar?" Poe
Geoduck
>Zetan's Book of Enlightenment reveals that on 07 Nov 1999 20:05:40 GMT,
>Bermuda999 wrote:
>
>>Sequence:
>>
>>-Brody nurses small bump on forehead
>>-Quint tells him it's not permanent and takes out his tooth to show gap (no
>>explanation of source)
>
>[deleted]
>
>I've forgotten--what happened to the scientist character in the boat?
Roughly, he goes down in his shark cage with a poison--tipped spear to
try and stab ol' Bruce in the mouth. Bruce attacks the cage and rips
it apart, but Hooper gets away, swimming down to the bottom. Bruce
eats Quint, Brody blows up Bruce, the boat sinks and Hooper
resurfaces. The two survivors build a crude raft from the wreckage and
start paddling back to shore.
Dutch Courage
>Extra credit assignment: rewrite [the scene in "Jaws" where the men compare
scars] to be played by three female
>shark
>hunters.
Women don't fish; you have to be quiet.
Dana Carpender
Dutch Courage wrote:
> sjf...@aol.com.net.org (Deborah) writes:
>
> >Extra credit assignment: rewrite [the scene in "Jaws" where the men compare
> scars] to be played by three female
> >shark
> >hunters.
>
> Women don't fish; you have to be quiet.
And we all know guys just *never* talk...
Dan Hanson
one.
Hooper had to die in the book, because he had an affair with Brody's wife.
That whole sub-plot was cut out of the movie.
mlo...@lobo.civetsystems.com
> The U.S.S. Indianapolis delivered the Hiroshima bomb. The story related by
> Quint was largely true.
>
> The U.S.S. Indianalopis incident was a real black mark on the Navy. First,
> the captain was disciplined for failing to take anti-sub manoevers on the
> way back. But many felt that this was a cover-up by the Navy to account for
> their failure to even know that the Indianapolis was missing.
In particular, the captain (Charles McVay) was accused of failing to
zig-zag, despite the fact that the sub commander testified that he had
just stuck his periscope up, saw the Indianapolis, and fired -- i.e.,
zig-zagging would have had no effect, since he wasn't trailing the
ship, it was just pure luck.
McVay got angry calls and letters for years after that, until he
finally shot himself.
M.
kay w
>"...Of the 1,196 aboard, about 900 made it into the water in the twelve
>minutes before she sank. {snip}almost five days later..."
>"...Of the 900 who made it into the water only 317 remained alive.
IIRC
The ship's captain was court martialed, and i *think* I remember that the
captain of the sub that sank them testified in his defense. I hope that's real
history, and not a made-for-tv movie I saw.
Also IIRC
Robert Shaw didn't have a script for the story of the Indianapolis. He'd read
the stories, for research, but told it in his own words.
I'll try to back myself up with a cite...
Bill Baldwin
> Yeah, true. Whatever the case though, great movie and ending. As I
>recall, part of the reason I liked the ending so much was because I was a
>kid (and thus forbidden from swearing) liked how the movie did the whole,
>"Die, you son of a..." *BOOM!* I went around for days after that,
>shouldering an imaginary rifle, aiming at an imaginary Jaws and repeating
>that phrase over and over again complete with Little Kid Explosion SFX.
Tragically, your childhood is so far behind you, you've forgotten the line. He
doesn't say "Die," he says, "SMILE." And then Jaws smiles (i.e. opens its
mouth) and Brody shoots the tank. Great line. Now go around repeating it the
right way and making explosion noises for a while; you don't want to lose that
memory.
Jeff Janes
: Extra credit assignment: rewrite this scene to be played by
: three female shark
: hunters.
Lesbian shark hunters, or straight ones?
--
Jeff Janes
email: ja...@scripps.edu
Dana Carpender
Jeff Janes wrote:
> Deborah (sjf...@aol.com.net.org) wrote:
>
> : Extra credit assignment: rewrite this scene to be played by
> : three female shark
> : hunters.
>
> Lesbian shark hunters, or straight ones?
Make it really interesting -- two of one, and one of the other.
Culturally Sensitive Ed
Martha? Where are my slippers? Back in my day... Turn that music
down! Where am I?
---
Culturally Sensitive Ed
rohmon <at> ksu.edu, www-personal.ksu.edu/~rohmon
I'm fine and doidy. Doidy doidy doidy!!
P.S. Remind me to tell you about another one of my favorite movies,
"Caddy Shack," where Tom Hanks goes around as a loopy grounds keeper
trying to kill all the ground hogs on the golf course.
David Martin
>
> Zetan's Book of Enlightenment reveals that on Sun, 7 Nov 1999 13:22:01
> -0500, Aaron Brandon wrote:
>
> >Easy:
> >Compare hairdos
> >Talk about shoe-shopping bargains
> >Talk about "that slut Heather" since she isn't on the boat.
> >Complain that men are bastards, and that they can't get a date.
> >Shark swims away, annoyed by whining.
>
> you're sitting around in your dirty shorts, scratching and drinking beer.
> I guess I just don't hang around with "real women" enough.
Hey, gotta find something to do between lighting farts and
belching out the national anthem.
David
Aaron Brandon
<ket...@seemysig.com> wrote in message
news:382bf66d....@news.asacomp.com...
> Zetan's Book of Enlightenment reveals that on Sun, 7 Nov 1999 13:22:01
> -0500, Aaron Brandon wrote:
>
> >Easy:
> >Compare hairdos
> >Talk about shoe-shopping bargains
> >Talk about "that slut Heather" since she isn't on the boat.
> >Complain that men are bastards, and that they can't get a date.
> >Shark swims away, annoyed by whining.
>
> That's just so cute. I bet it goes over really big with the guys, when
> you're sitting around in your dirty shorts, scratching and drinking beer.
> I guess I just don't hang around with "real women" enough.
Note that the part that says "I am *SO* in trouble for this" got snipped.
In other words, the part that made it clear that this was a joke. A joke,
that is, that cuts both ways: it spoofs popular conceptions of women, and
also lampoons men's perception of women.
Really, it's OK. Take a deep breath. We're all friends again.
See? I didn't even get mad at the part where she accuses me of being a
sexist.
Bear
Jeff Janes wrote:
>
> Deborah (sjf...@aol.com.net.org) wrote:
>
> : Extra credit assignment: rewrite this scene to be played by
> : three female shark
> : hunters.
>
> Lesbian shark hunters, or straight ones?
Which are the proposed lesbians -- the hunters or the sharks?
--
Bear
Danny Sichel
>>: Extra credit assignment: rewrite this scene to be played by
>>: three female shark hunters.
>> Lesbian shark hunters, or straight ones?
> Which are the proposed lesbians -- the hunters or the sharks?
Well, ACtually...
As I understand it, the phenomenon of "sexual orientation" isn't one
that occurs in non-vertebrates. It's simply too far beyond the purely
instinctual level.
Strive for accuracy.
(Oh, and I apologize for taking this seriously.)
Dutch Courage
>Bear wrote:
>
>>>: Extra credit assignment: rewrite this scene to be played by
>>>: three female shark hunters.
>
>>> Lesbian shark hunters, or straight ones?
>
>> Which are the proposed lesbians -- the hunters or the sharks?
>
>Well, ACtually...
>
>As I understand it, the phenomenon of "sexual orientation" isn't one
>that occurs in non-vertebrates. It's simply too far beyond the purely
>instinctual level.
Wait...wait...don't sharks have backbones?
Arthur Wohlwill
>From: Danny Sichel <eds...@umoncton.ca>
>Subject: Re: Further adventures in gender studies
>Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:27:46 -0400
>Bear wrote:
>>>: Extra credit assignment: rewrite this scene to be played by
>>>: three female shark hunters.
>>> Lesbian shark hunters, or straight ones?
>
>> Which are the proposed lesbians -- the hunters or the sharks?
>Well, ACtually...
>As I understand it, the phenomenon of "sexual orientation" isn't one
>that occurs in non-vertebrates. It's simply too far beyond the purely
>instinctual level.
FWIW, there is a mutation which causes male fruit flies to court other males.
It is also causes normal males to court them. Courtship involves a series a
highly sterotyped behaviors which ends with copulation (or attempted
copulation in these cases.
Arthur Wohlwill adwo...@UIC.EDU
Devilfish
> >As I understand it, the phenomenon of "sexual orientation" isn't one
> >that occurs in non-vertebrates. It's simply too far beyond the purely
> >instinctual level.
>
> FWIW, there is a mutation which causes male fruit flies to court other males.
> It is also causes normal males to court them. Courtship involves a series a
> highly sterotyped behaviors which ends with copulation (or attempted
> copulation in these cases.
There are a number of mutations of that type. However, it's kind of
irrelevent since sharks are vertebrates.
-Bob
...You kissed a girl! That is so gay!
Dana Carpender
Devilfish wrote:
>
> -Bob
> ...You kissed a girl! That is so gay!
This is so funny! And it does seem to be true that liking to hang around women is
considered less than manly. Could someone explain *that* to me?
Big Iron5
>> ...You kissed a girl! That is so gay!
>
>This is so funny! And it does seem to be true that liking to hang around
>women is
>considered less than manly. Could someone explain *that* to me?
From The Manly Handbook:
"When a man wants to go hunting or canoeing down whitewater or simply wants to
drink a lot of beer and talk loud, what is he supposed to do, get a woman?
Give us a break. He should get some men. Who else would he be able to share
life's manful pleasures with? When you get right down to it, men like to be
with men."
Dana Carpender
Big Iron5 wrote:
Sounds like the ancient Greek army to me...
Anyway, I'm pretty good at whitewater canoeing, drinking beer, and talking loud.
Big Iron5
>Anyway, I'm pretty good at whitewater canoeing, drinking beer, and talking
>loud.
Well, then, Dana, you are obviously one of those relatively rare and valuable
members of your gender known as a man's woman. <g>
Bossman
Dana Carpender wrote:
>
> Anyway, I'm pretty good at whitewater canoeing, drinking beer, and talking loud.
That's a good start..but:
How 'bout farting, belching, not picking up your clothes?
Have you ever pissed off of a balcony (cliff, roof or in an alley)...
Do you watch QVC Jewelery specials or ANYTHING on the Lifetime channel?
Do you go to public restrooms with a friend (and talk)?
How may episodes of Wings (the Discovery Channel Show, not the sitcom)
have you seen"?
How 'bout auto maintenance...do you follow the owner's manual or do you
'know better'?
Michael
Please direct e-mail to both of the following addresses :
mitc...@image-link.com
mitc...@att.net
Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose.
Devilfish
>
> Devilfish wrote:
>
> >
> > -Bob
> > ...You kissed a girl! That is so gay!
>
> This is so funny! And it does seem to be true that liking to hang around women is
> considered less than manly. Could someone explain *that* to me?
Ah Jimbo Jones, he never fails to amuse.
I'm not at all sure that I'm the person to ask about this, but I can
certainly see that hanging around women might be considered less than
manly. Personally, I have a tendency to prefer the company of any given
group of women over the company of any given group of men. This isn't a
hard and fast rule, just a tendency. I can think of a few possible
reasons.
Sports:
Women are better sparring partners in the soft martial arts. In Hapkido
or Aikido, finesse and flexibility are infinitely more valuable than
strength, and that tends to favor women over men. Women are also better
partners when training in joint locks. For some reason, most men tap
out (which translates roughly into "you're hurting me, stop now") no
matter how crappy and ineffective your lock is. This may be because of
greater flexibility, or perhaps because women are more likely to feel
that they have something to prove.
Though I've only rafted on white water once, I think I'd much rather be
in a boat of women than a boat of men. On the average, a woman who
falls overboard is probably more easily retrieved, both because she's
likely to weigh less, and because she's less likely to stubbornly fight
against the person lifting her back into the boat.
In paintball a given group of women are more likely to stick to the game
plan, a given group of men are more likely to ignore the game plan and
each run around the field shooting randomly like a little Rambo.
Practically:
Women, when indulging in dumb things, tend to do dumb things out of an
inability to find someone who knows how to achieve the desired goal in a
better/safer/more efficient manner. Men, when indulging in dumb things,
tend to do dumb things out of an unwillingness to admit that they have
no friggin clue what they're actually doing.
Socially:
Women are capable of taking a damn joke. For some reason, there is a
subset of the male population who see every little ribbing as some kind
of menace to his undisputed mastery over the universe. Of course, just
walking away and talking to someone else is not an acceptable way of
dealing with this threat to the crown, because then he'd be giving up
his dominance. Politely mentioning that said ribbing bothers him would
also not be acceptable, presumably because it would demonstrate
weakness. The only answer is to fume for a few minutes, then threaten
physical violence against the skinny white boy who's making the jokes.
Being quite the ribber (and quite the skinny white boy), I've noticed
this behavior countless times in men, but only once in a woman.
The character flaw (based upon my world view) found most often in men,
machismo, is incredibly irritating. The character flaw found most often
in women, cattyness, is pretty damned amusing, and almost always good
for a laugh.
Men, in general, just don't seem to react as well to a friendly smile.
Maybe it's just me.
I've yet to meet the woman who finds an enormous chili bean fart to be
funny. Honestly, need I say more?
Matters of the heart:
Men are pigs. I mean, really. Women are pigs too but to a much smaller
degree.
Anyway, looking back over this far from comprehensive list (I would have
gone on and on had I not managed to stop myself), it is only now that I
truly realize how self-hating I really am. This is really disturbing,
I'm probably not going to be able to get any sleep tonight...
-Bob
...Why do I have the feeling that someday I'll be describing this to a
psychiatrist?
Gary S. Callison
: Big Iron5 wrote:
: > From The Manly Handbook:
: > "When a man wants to go hunting or canoeing down whitewater or simply
: > wants to drink a lot of beer and talk loud, what is he supposed to
: > do, get a woman? Give us a break. He should get some men. Who else
: > would he be able to share life's manful pleasures with? When you get
: > right down to it, men like to be with men."
: talking loud.
Whenever you say things like this- ...it's a crying shame we're both
happily married, y'know? If you say next that you like watching football
and tinkering with car engines, I swear I'll weep openly.
--
Huey
Dana Carpender
Bob Ward wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:31:51 -0500, Dana Carpender <dcar...@kiva.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >Big Iron5 wrote:
> >
> >> Dana Carpender writes:
> >>
> >> >> ...You kissed a girl! That is so gay!
> >> >
> >> >This is so funny! And it does seem to be true that liking to hang around
> >> >women is
> >> >considered less than manly. Could someone explain *that* to me?
> >>
> >> From The Manly Handbook:
> >>
> >> "When a man wants to go hunting or canoeing down whitewater or simply wants to
> >> drink a lot of beer and talk loud, what is he supposed to do, get a woman?
> >> Give us a break. He should get some men. Who else would he be able to share
> >> life's manful pleasures with? When you get right down to it, men like to be
> >> with men."
> >
> >Sounds like the ancient Greek army to me...
> >
> >Anyway, I'm pretty good at whitewater canoeing, drinking beer, and talking loud.
>
> Hell... she can probably even pee standing up, too!
Almost -- I can hold onto a branch and semi-squat.
--
Dana W."Queen of Too Much Information" Carpender
Dana Carpender
Bossman wrote:
> Dana Carpender wrote:
>
> >
> > Anyway, I'm pretty good at whitewater canoeing, drinking beer, and talking loud.
>
> That's a good start..but:
>
> How 'bout farting, belching, not picking up your clothes?
Extremely accomplished at all three. Heck, I could go for months without picking up a
damn thing. If it weren't for the fact that I have a barter deal going with the local
cleaning service -- I give them rubs, they clean my house -- this place would be
unsanitary beyond belief. My husband and my first sexual experience of each other
started while leaning on a pile of clothes on the couch in my apartment that had been
sitting there for days, waiting to be folded. Pig-dom comes natural to me.
As for farting and belching, that comes with liking beer, doesn't it?
> Have you ever pissed off of a balcony (cliff, roof or in an alley)...
No, not having the easy-pour spout, but as mentioned elsewhere, I can pee in the
woods without finding a place to sit down.
> Do you watch QVC Jewelery specials or ANYTHING on the Lifetime channel?
Ick.
> Do you go to public restrooms with a friend (and talk)?
If a friend happens to need to pee at the same time as me, I'm not going to refuse to
talk to her in the washroom. But do I hang around public restrooms yakking with
girlfriends? No.
> How may episodes of Wings (the Discovery Channel Show, not the sitcom)
> have you seen"?
None.
>
> How 'bout auto maintenance...do you follow the owner's manual or do you
> 'know better'?
Yeah, I know to take it to Don, across town. Best damn mechanic in B'ton. Do I get
points for being able to check my own oil, fill my own tires, stick my finger in a
stuck butterfly valve, and pop the hood when the hood release lever's busted by
grabbing the cable with a pliers?
All this, and a C-cup, too.
--
Dana W. Carpender
Dana Carpender
"Gary S. Callison" wrote:
> Dana Carpender (dcar...@kiva.net) wrote:
> : Big Iron5 wrote:
> : > From The Manly Handbook:
> : > "When a man wants to go hunting or canoeing down whitewater or simply
> : > wants to drink a lot of beer and talk loud, what is he supposed to
> : > do, get a woman? Give us a break. He should get some men. Who else
> : > would he be able to share life's manful pleasures with? When you get
> : > right down to it, men like to be with men."
> : I'm pretty good at whitewater canoeing, drinking beer, and
> : talking loud.
>
> Whenever you say things like this- ...it's a crying shame we're both
> happily married, y'know? If you say next that you like watching football
> and tinkering with car engines, I swear I'll weep openly.
Dry your eyes. Football bores me silly (Although I do like alot of action
and horror movies...), and I know nothing about cars.
However, I'm a great cook, I've been a professional massage therapist for
fifteen years, I never give my husband a hard time about having buddies over
(heck, I cooked a *killer* dinner for him and two pals -- and none of my pals
-- just the other night), and I do all the grocery shopping. Plus, of
course, I have a long history of being a Very Bad Girl.
Dana Carpender
Big Iron5 wrote:
> Dana Carpender writes:
>
> >Anyway, I'm pretty good at whitewater canoeing, drinking beer, and talking
> >loud.
>
> Well, then, Dana, you are obviously one of those relatively rare and valuable
> members of your gender known as a man's woman. <g>
That's what all the fellas say.
Dana Carpender
Dana Carpender wrote:
>
>
> > Do you watch QVC Jewelery specials or ANYTHING on the Lifetime channel?
>
> Ick.
Responding to myself, here, but I'd like to mention that I am also no fan of Dr. Quim,
Medicine Woman, Touched By An Angel, or Murder, She Wrote. Prefer West Wing, and Law and
Order.
mlo...@lobo.civetsystems.com
> Bob Ward wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:31:51 -0500, Dana Carpender <dcar...@kiva.net>
> > wrote:
> > >Anyway, I'm pretty good at whitewater canoeing, drinking beer, and talking loud.
> >
> > Hell... she can probably even pee standing up, too!
>
> Almost -- I can hold onto a branch and semi-squat.
Last time, I swear:
GIF! GIF!
M.
Dana Carpender
mlo...@lobo.civetsystems.com wrote:
What, a couple weeks back I mention black lacy lingerie, and you don't ask for a gif, but
you want one of me peeing in the woods? Boy, are *you* bent.
Dutch Courage
>Women are better sparring partners in the soft martial arts.
I agree, but I think Dana prefers men.
>Women are also better
>partners when training in joint locks.
Snopes gives this as undetermined:
http://www.snopes.com/sex/penile/captivus.htm
>For some reason, there is a
>subset of the male population who see every little ribbing as some kind
>of menace to his undisputed mastery over the universe.
"For her pleasure"
> Politely mentioning that said ribbing bothers him would
>also not be acceptable, presumably because it would demonstrate
>weakness.
La la la...
>Being quite the ribber (and quite the skinny white boy), I've noticed
>this behavior countless times in men, but only once in a woman.
You can write your own punchlines here...
>Men, in general, just don't seem to react as well to a friendly smile.
>Maybe it's just me.
Perhaps its the ribbing?
>
>Matters of the heart:
>Men are pigs.
Ned Beatty could not be reached for comment.
kay w
>> Hell... she can probably even pee standing up, too!
>
>Almost -- I can hold onto a branch and semi-squat.
I'm sure it's been posted here before, but here's an opportunity to learn a new
skill:
http://www.restrooms.org/standing.html
Practice in the shower.
kay w
Address munged. AOL isn't "coma"tose, evidence to the contrary not
withstanding.
Big Iron5
>> "When a man wants to go hunting or canoeing down whitewater or simply wants
>to
>> drink a lot of beer and talk loud, what is he supposed to do, get a woman?
>> Give us a break. He should get some men. Who else would he be able to
>share
>> life's manful pleasures with? When you get right down to it, men like to
>be
>> with men."
>
>Sounds like the ancient Greek army to me...
Oh, sure, let someone write about men ENJOYING the company of other men, and
you've got to go and try to make it sound lewd. Sounds like blatant misandry
to me.
Dana Carpender
Big Iron5 wrote:
Sheesh, and they say feminists have no sense of humor!
Big Iron5
>> >> "When a man wants to go hunting or canoeing down whitewater or simply
>wants
>> >to
>> >> drink a lot of beer and talk loud, what is he supposed to do, get a
>woman?
>> >> Give us a break. He should get some men. Who else would he be able to
>> >share
>> >> life's manful pleasures with? When you get right down to it, men like
>to
>> >be
>> >> with men."
>> >
>> >Sounds like the ancient Greek army to me...
>>
>> Oh, sure, let someone write about men ENJOYING the company of other men,
>and
>> you've got to go and try to make it sound lewd. Sounds like blatant
>misandry
>> to me.
>
>Sheesh, and they say feminists have no sense of humor!
I thought that WAS humor! <g>
StarChaser <Anti spam feature in address.>
>
>FWIW, there is a mutation which causes male fruit flies to court other males.
>It is also causes normal males to court them. Courtship involves a series a
>highly sterotyped behaviors which ends with copulation (or attempted
>copulation in these cases.
"Hey! Stop that!"
'I'm sorry, man, I don't know what got into me...'
"Well, I know what got into ME..."
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Pentalarc #1 @503
BY: bigi...@aol.com (Big Iron5)
----------------BEGIN QUOTE-------------
|>>This is so funny! And it does seem to be true that liking to hang around
|>>women is
|>>considered less than manly. Could someone explain *that* to me?
|>From The Manly Handbook:
|>"When a man wants to go hunting or canoeing down whitewater or simply wants
|to |>drink a lot of beer and talk loud, what is he supposed to do, get a
|woman?
|>Give us a break. He should get some men. Who else would he be able to share
|>life's manful pleasures with? When you get right down to it, men like to be
|>with men."
---------------END QUOTE--------------
I don't know, most of friends have been women who are louder and more
obnoxious than me. And most could drink me under the table, and, where
applicable, outsmoke and drug me too.
For the most part, none of us are outdoorsey or athletic types, so I guess
I'll have to take a pass on that part. :-)
Pentalarc
Where Five Roads Meet He Stands
Origin: Nuclear Wasteland * 504-394-0509
Pentalarc #1 @503
First of all, let me say that I am male.
------------BEGIN QUOTE-------------------
|>> Anyway, I'm pretty good at whitewater canoeing, drinking beer, and talking
|l >That's a good start..but:
|>How 'bout farting, belching, not picking up your clothes?
-----------END QUOTE-------------------
I suppose that I am as likely to have problems with gas as anyone else with my
diet (junk food junkie) however, I have never found gas to be any particular
cause for celebration or notice, so while I suppose tha my ability to "fart" or
"belch" is approximately average, my ability to engage in any sort of activity
concerning it would be much less than average due to the fact taht I don't
particularly care about gas.
As far as not picking up my clothes, well, yes, I admit it. I'm a slob, my
clothes are in a pile next to my bed.
--------------------BEGIN QUOTE------------------
>Have you ever pissed off of a balcony (cliff, roof or in an alley)...
--------------------END QUOTE--------------------
No, I have never pissed off a a balcony or in an alley. . .I don't even like
urinals. I live in New Orleans, where there are no cliffs. I wouldc have to
drive over 150 miles to get to a cliff, or probably more, and I can't hold it
that long.
------------------BEGIN QUOTE----------------
>Do you watch QVC Jewelery specials or ANYTHING on the Lifetime channel?
------------------END QUOTE-------------------
I detest QVC. I watch the Golden Girls on Lifetime, because that show (like
"Soap" or anything else by Witt and Thomas) is funny. THe only things I
normally watch on TV are Law and Order (up to three times a day) Jeopardy, and
the sports that interrest me. (football, hockey, and autosports)
------------------BEGIN QUOTE------------
|>Do you go to public restrooms with a friend (and talk)?
------------------END QUOTE----------------
Only at concerts, between bands. And that's usually not with a friend but
with the drunk guy at every concert who repeated yells, "<insert name of band>
<insert obscenity>ing rocks" while peeing.
--------------------BEGIN QUOTE-----------
|>How may episodes of Wings (the Discovery Channel Show, not the sitcom)
|>have you seen"?
--------------------END QUOTE-------------
I watch the science shows, that's about it.
-------------------BEGIN QUOTE-------------
|>How 'bout auto maintenance...do you follow the owner's manual or do you
|>'know better'?
-------------------END QUOTE----------------
I am utterly incapable of fixing anythign that is broken. I normally
succeed in breaking it more. I am, howver, very good at breaking things.
Then again, the *inside* of my car is full of empty coke cans and cigarette
packs.
Pentalarc #1 @503
>Responding to myself, here, but I'd like to mention that I am also no fan of D
>Medicine Woman, Touched By An Angel, or Murder, She Wrote. Prefer West Wing,
>Order.
NEver seen Dr. Quinn, never really have any desire to. I've seen Touched by
an Angel twice. One episode was ok, if only for these lines:
male angel: You're not the angel of death.
some crazy doctor: How do you know that?
ma: 'Cuz I'm the angel of death
scd: I can't say anything to that.
I have occaisionally watched Murder She Wrote, but I like murder mysteries.
I've never watched West Wing. I'm a huge Law & Order fan.
Pentalarc
SysOp Of The Demi-Monde BBS, New Orleans, Louisiana
Pentalarc #1 @503
--------------------BEGIN QUOTE----------------
|>There is a web-page online (no, I don't have the URL) that gives
|>detailed instructions for women who wish to master the art.
--------------------END QUOTE------------------
What? Nobody's seen *Natural Born Killers*?