Jessie
Shawn Wilson <shawn....@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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At a previous job, someone saw a mouse run by one day, and the
maintenance crew put out a glue trap. My coworkers, being animal
lovers (who apparently never heard of Hantavirus), couldn't bear the
thought of a mouse dying in their proximity, so every morning, someone
would check the trap to see if the mouse had been caught overnight.
The plan was to cut the glue around the mouse's feet with an exacto
knife and release it to the outside. The mouse would be stuck wearing
tiny shoes, but would still be alive. I think this plan had some
flaws, but it was never put to the test. No mouse was ever caught in
that trap.
Still, the idea of carefully extracting a mouse from a glue trap with
an exacto knife cracks me up.
Gina Marie
> Still, the idea of carefully extracting a mouse from a glue trap with
> an exacto knife cracks me up.
Like I said, WD-40 works perfectly, assuming it's not poisonous.
Only if it wanders too near an open flame.... (smirk) But hey,
whaddya know, www.wd40.com has a MSDS for it. It looks like it won't
naturally wash off in the rain - it might wear off, though. If he
tries to clean himself, he may have nausea, diarrhea or vomiting. Of
course, the MSDS is geared towards us human types - the little mousey
might _like_ it. :)
Not carcinogenic, though.
(Attempting to out-research Bailey, which is probably futile - she'll
have called a vet, and actually spoken with someone at the WD-$0
Company before she replies, I betcha. :)
--
Patrick Friedel
> But now I'm worried, will the mouse be harmed by the WD-40 now saturating it's fur?
You may very well have helped its arthritis.:-)
I suppose its a question of quantity. Probably the biggest danger would
be whatever the mouse ingests from washing itself.
I'll make a totally unscientific prediction that assuming it wasn't
really soaked with the stuff it should be fine.
Of course, it doesn't go 'squeak!' anymore.
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I had sucessfully resisted posting that same comment. Glad to see some
people have less restraint than I do.
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> I've been having a mouse problem. Now, normally I'm of the live and let
> live variety, but this mouse was an uninvited guest. BTW, I live above a
> restaurant, so the exterminator comes monthly and leaves glue traps. I laid
> out some of these glue traps and actually caught the mouse. But I felt bad.
> This mouse was going to die because of my actions and it didn't really do
> anything it should be killed for. So, I put the glue trap with the mouse in
> a cardboard box and wondered if it was possible to free the mouse from the
> glue without harming it (hopefully it hadn't harmed itself too badly). Once
> freed, I figured I'd deposit the mouse outside and all would be right with
> the world. It occured to me to spray the glue with WD-40 to neutralize it.
> So I did so, unavoidably spraying the mouse as well (there's no point in
> neutralizing all the glue except that which is holding the muse itself).
> The WD-40 worked like a charm on the glue. I dumped the mouse off my
> second-floor balcony into the yard next door. But now I'm worried, will the
> mouse be harmed by the WD-40 now saturating it's fur?
WD-40 is not terribly toxic and fairly volile (it will evaporate
pretty quickly), so Mickey is probably all right.
My dad used to use Hav-A-Heart traps to relocate trespassing rodents.
One poor mouse had urinated all over himself. When he was dumped
outside (in the snow) the sudden cold and the shock apparently pushed
into coronary arrest. CPR failed to revive him and my dad was
unwilling to try mouth-to-mouth...
> (I figure the fall
> was too short to harm it, and I hope it hadn't hurt itself on the glue)
I read that a mouse cannot be harmed by falling. It's terminal
velocity is just too low to do any damage.
M.
Judging from the other posts the wd-40 will not harm it, and based on how
cats react to strange smells as long as the scent holds out it will probably
be safe from predators as well.
But Shawn, I think you ought to reconsider your attitude, it's a mouse for
goodness sake. The little bastard has probably been crawling around your
kitchen nibbling on the bread you left out, peeing on your dishes, and
tracking pee, feces, and God-knows-what all over your pillow, and maybe your
toothbrush too. There's a reason we call mice pests. Get a cat, at least
then you can feel good about recycling the mice.
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Patrick Friedel wrote:
> (Attempting to out-research Bailey, which is probably futile - she'll
> have called a vet, and actually spoken with someone at the WD-$0
> Company before she replies, I betcha. :)
Actually, you did beat me. My contacts at PETA, WD40, and the
Agriculture School at Purdue are all out seeing Star Wars (called in
with the Jedi Flu), so my over-active dialing finger was thwarted... :)
Speaking of Star Wars, all you fans might want to listen to Dr. Laura
today... She was talking about Star Wars at the beginning of her second
hour. Interesting stuff.
I think you can get her on the web at broadcast.com. It would be her
May 20 show, because the syndication is a day behind out here...
Love & kisses,
Bailey
> I've been having a mouse problem. Now, normally I'm of the live and let
> live variety, but this mouse was an uninvited guest.
It's a scary sign of the times that I didn't realise until the second half of
the second sentence that this *wasn't* a computer problem.
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misquoted and used against you in a future post."
> unwilling to try mouth-to-mouth...
How *would* one do mouth-to-mouse?
>
> > (I figure the fall
> > was too short to harm it, and I hope it hadn't hurt itself on the glue)
>
> I read that a mouse cannot be harmed by falling. It's terminal
> velocity is just too low to do any damage.
And it's hard to reach terminal velocity from a second story balcony.
minmei
My ex-bf used to catch the mice that would invade his trailer when he was
living in Wyoming. He would make a habitrail sort of thing for them out of
2 liter plastic soda bottles. He'd cut them into shapes and melt together
the edges. His marriage at the time was hitting the rocks and he had A LOT
of time on his hands.
minmei
Me too, but I wasn't gonna be the first to admit it.
minmei
Everyone's muse is glued in? No wonder I haven't been feeling
particularly creative lately.
So I guess you didn't have the little straw for the WD40 can? (Hmm,
some coffee stirring straws are about the same size.)
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>Terry Nielsen wrote in message <374576...@home.com>...
>>>snip<<
>>Of course, it doesn't go 'squeak!' anymore.
>I had sucessfully resisted posting that same comment. Glad to see
>some people have less restraint than I do.
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Duquette Vick Pray Family <cduq...@postoffice.nospam.uri.edu> writes
: How *would* one do mouth-to-mouse?
With a straw?
: > I read that a mouse cannot be harmed by falling. It's [tsk]
: > terminal velocity is just too low to do any damage.
: And it's hard to reach terminal velocity from a second story balcony.
Try it with a leaf sometime.
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No, that's how you WD-40 a mouse.
>
> : And it's hard to reach terminal velocity from a second story balcony.
>
> Try it with a leaf sometime.
>
I reiterate, it's *hard* to reach terminal velocity from the 2nd story,
especially with a mouse.
minmei
> I reiterate, it's *hard* to reach terminal velocity from the 2nd story,
> especially with a mouse.
I don't think you're right. A mouses terminal velocity is very low,
and it reaches it very quickly.
--
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What a wonderful newsgroup is this! Pushing back the frontiers of
ignorance, one mouse experiment at a time.
<grin>
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msbr...@interlog.com quantify that for me?" --Kate Hamilton
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Nick Spalding <spal...@iol.ie> wrote in message
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> Duquette Vick Pray Family wrote:
>
> > I reiterate, it's *hard* to reach terminal velocity from the 2nd story,
> > especially with a mouse.
>
> Duquette Vick Pray Family wrote:
>
> > I reiterate, it's *hard* to reach terminal velocity from the 2nd story,
> > especially with a mouse.
>
> I don't think you're right. A mouses terminal velocity is very low,
> and it reaches it very quickly.
I think Duquette (if that is the name) is using "terminal" to mean
fatal. The phrase "terminal velocity" means "the highest speed that
object can attain in free fall" (which speed may or may not be
fatal). A mouse achieves terminal velocity virtually instantly. I'm
guessing an elephant continues to accelerate for quite some time after
you drop it (assuming it has the elevation to start with).
I'm not renting _Dumbo Drop_ just to check...
M.
You have a husband *and* a boyfriend? Or did I misread this?
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"This fool wishes to reverse the entire science of astronomy."
-Martin Luther on Copernicus' theory that the Earth orbits the sun
Boy, does it? Does an elephant have more surface area relative to volume than a
mouse? Signifigantly so?
-Fast, pretty, and can't possibly be beat
Okay, here's an independent check. It's a bit rough.
The coefficient of drag of a sphere, it says here, is 0.45 if the boundary
airflow is laminar, 0.1 if turbulent. For a cylinder, 0.7 if laminar, 0.3
if turbulent. A mouse body shape ought to be in between those two somewhere.
Since the question is how *soon* terminal velocity could be reached, let's
model it by a cylinder, and assume that laminar flow is possible. But
probably there will be some extra drag due to limbs and tail, so I'll
arbitrarily double the assumed drag, making Cd = 1.4.
The force of drag is given by D = Cd * da * s * v^2 / 2, where Cd is the
coefficient of drag, da is the density of the air, s is the cross-sectional
area perpendicular to the airflow, and v is the speed. At the terminal
velocity, D is equal to the object's weight, so we have D = m * g where
m is its mass and g is the acceleration due to gravity. Finally we can
compute m = V * do, where V is the object's volume and do is its density.
So that's
V * do * g = D = Cd * da * s * v^2 / 2
and hence
v = sqrt ((2 * V * do * g) / (Cd * da * s))
A reasonable approximation of do is the same density as water. Might as
well do that in SI units so we can leave them implicit; then do = 1000.
da = 1.2, near enough, g = 9.8, and we're assuming Cd = 1.4.
Now, the mouse? For maximum drag we want to assume that it's in its normal
orientation. Let's treat the tail and paws as negligible, put the body
and head length at say 8 cm, width 2 cm, average height (vertical thickness)
1.5 cm. Then in SI units, s = 0.0016 and V = 0.000024. Which gives a
terminal velocity of:
v = sqrt ((2 * .000024 * 1000 * 9.8) / (1.4 * 1.2 * .0016)) = 13
Which fits with the estimate given, that the speed was at least 10 m/s.
Falling without air resistance, it would take 1.3 seconds to reach 13 m/s,
speed, and the distance traversed would be 8.5 m. With air resistance the
distance will be a little shorter, but I certainly can't see it being
reached with a drop from the second floor -- unless, of course, it's a
British-type second floor.
As I said, these numbers are estimated, but I tried to put them on the
high side for drag.
As a sanity check, let's try plugging in estimates for a human into the
same formula. Say s = .5 and V = .15; then you get
v = sqrt ((2 * .15 * 1000 * 9.8) / (1.4 * 1.2 * .5)) = 59
59 m/s = 131 mph, and that's about right.
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Carl Fink <ca...@panix.com> wrote in message
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Careful, it might have been doing naughty things with the toothbrush and
taking pictures of his activities. Oh, no, nevermind, that's another
newsgroup.
minmei
>Duquette Vick Pray Family wrote:
>
>> I reiterate, it's *hard* to reach terminal velocity from the 2nd story,
>> especially with a mouse.
>
>I don't think you're right. A mouses terminal velocity is very low,
>and it reaches it very quickly.
just checking......
What is your definition of terminal velocity?
Dan
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remove the word "nospam"
> just checking......
> What is your definition of terminal velocity?
The maximum velocity reached by an object, in this case a mouse,
falling under gravity in still air.
The next time I have an invasion of mice I will experiment with the
first one I trap, there shouldn't be much difference between a live
and a dead one in this respect.
All I have available at the moment is a hamster belonging to one of my
grandsons of which I am the temporary custodian and I don't think
either it or my grandson would approve.
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ket...@seemysig.com wrote:
> Why would I want to listen to someone who accused librarians of "pushing
> porno" because there were internet connected PCs in the libraries, and got
> a large donation that was going to go for children's areas in libraries
> cancelled because of her uninformed rant?
>
> Anybody who listens to that bimbo, deserves to. I'm just sorry the
> libraries had to suffer for it.
I listen to Dr. Laura for the same reason that I watch Jerry Springer:
seeing/hearing all of those intensely stupid people so regularly makes
me feel deliciously superior.
Love & kisses,
Bailey
>> unwilling to try mouth-to-mouth...
> How *would* one do mouth-to-mouse?
Place the mousies head within your mouth, and gently (_very_ gently)
'puff' in to the mouse. I imagine it would be very easy to explode the
mouse this way, so I'd reccomend extra caution. Of course, you must
remeber not to squeeze the ribs while holding the mouse, since that will
prevent the mouse lungs from filling.
Perhaps safer (for the mouse) would be to take the entire mouse body with
your mouth, sealing with your lips around the mouse's skull so it's face
is exposed to the air and then sucking on the mouse body to create a mouse
sized iron lung. It would be much harder to overinflate the mouse. One
must be carefull to avoid actually inhaling the mouse, as that would do
neither of you any good.
Of course, it's going to have to be one damn important mouse before I'd
even consider actually performing any of these steps. Maybe Nathan Lane
will try it in the Mouse hunt sequel, after mousie has a heart attack from
too much cognac and havana cigars....
John
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> I listen to Dr. Laura for the same reason that I watch Jerry Springer:
> seeing/hearing all of those intensely stupid people so regularly makes
> me feel deliciously superior.
But doesn't that worry you? These people, to whom you feel superior,
apparently have no inner need to feel superior to you. Which would
make them, by most estimations, superior in fact.
I watch because I'm waiting for the censors to screw up with that
little fuzzy rectangle that is suppose to cover the naughty bits when
one guest rips the dress off another...
M.
Since you're watching anyway, if you squint and move your head from side to
side the resolution of the fuzzy area improves quite a bit.
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>>Duquette Vick Pray Family wrote:
>>
>>> I reiterate, it's *hard* to reach terminal velocity from the 2nd story,
>>> especially with a mouse.
>>
>>I don't think you're right. A mouses terminal velocity is very low,
>>and it reaches it very quickly.
>
>just checking......
>What is your definition of terminal velocity?
I'm guessing terminal velocity for a mouse is achieved after falling two
stories
They call me Mr C
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actually a side-to-side shake is more effective than a bobbing motion.
mlo...@lobo.civetsystems.com wrote:
> Bailey Cameron <bail...@hotmail.com> writes:
> > I listen to Dr. Laura for the same reason that I watch Jerry Springer:
> > seeing/hearing all of those intensely stupid people so regularly makes
> > me feel deliciously superior.
> But doesn't that worry you? These people, to whom you feel superior,
> apparently have no inner need to feel superior to you. Which would
> make them, by most estimations, superior in fact.
Sure they do. They feel that going on television and airing their dirty
laundry makes them "celebrities", gives them their 15 minutes of fame,
etc. That makes them feel superior to anyone who hasn't ever been on
television. The trouble is, those of us with more than half a brain
realize that they're making fools of themselves. They, apparently,
don't realize this. If they did realize how dumb they look, they
wouldn't do it.
Still deliciously superior,
Bailey
> Sure they do. They feel that going on television and airing their dirty
> laundry makes them "celebrities", gives them their 15 minutes of fame,
> etc. That makes them feel superior to anyone who hasn't ever been on
> television. The trouble is, those of us with more than half a brain
> realize that they're making fools of themselves. They, apparently,
> don't realize this. If they did realize how dumb they look, they
> wouldn't do it.
Or, maybe (just maybe), they like and are entertained by the idea of being
on TV asnd don't associate it with any form of superiority.
Ya know, being not unfamiliar with pseudo-Freudian mind sets (see some other
thread), I smell an inferiority complex.