Ermine and pearls
Opus the Penguin
don't go to Harlem in ermine and pearls." In context, this is part of
the evidence that she's not high society. It's why the other society
ladies call her a tramp.
So why did the society ladies go to Harlem in ermine and pearls? What
were they doing there? The song was written in 1937, prior to the
existence of Spanish Harlem (a post-WWII phenomenon) and toward the end
of the Harlem Renaissance. Was white society trooping out to Harlem for
the novelty of hearing negro poetry readings or some such?
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Les Albert
They went because there was some great jazz being played in the clubs
in Harlem, and it was a chic thing to do.
Les
Blinky the Shark
I've had this image of that going back to the '20s, not from study but
probably from watched and half-watched PBS documentaries. The interwar
and WWII years have always interested me.
So I Googled keyword pair (not phrase) harlem 1920s and this was the
fourth hit, after a college course description, an article on
gangs and a wiki:
http://www.fatherryan.org/harlemrenaissance/time.htm
Lotta stuff going on, there. Granted, I don't see an entry for "White
folk discover Harlem". So maybe this is no help. Still, it's a rich
cultural snapshot.
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Opus the Penguin
> I've had this image of that going back to the '20s, not from study
> but probably from watched and half-watched PBS documentaries. The
> interwar and WWII years have always interested me.
>
> So I Googled keyword pair (not phrase) harlem 1920s and this was
> the fourth hit, after a college course description, an article on
> gangs and a wiki:
>
> http://www.fatherryan.org/harlemrenaissance/time.htm
>
> Lotta stuff going on, there. Granted, I don't see an entry for
> "White folk discover Harlem". So maybe this is no help. Still,
> it's a rich cultural snapshot.
It sure is. Thanks for the link.
It helps me think about the civil rights movement from an angle I
really hadn't considered before. You look at the Harlem Renaissance
and everything seems so hopeful and moving in the right direction.
Sure, there's prejudice galore and adversity to be overcome. But
progress is being made.
So when the progress stalled out, and a backlash of re-entrenched
racism emerged, that had to be frustrating beyond belief.
incandescent blue
>
> So why did the society ladies go to Harlem in ermine and pearls? What
> were they doing there? The song was written in 1937, prior to the
> existence of Spanish Harlem (a post-WWII phenomenon) and toward the end
> of the Harlem Renaissance. Was white society trooping out to Harlem for
> the novelty of hearing negro poetry readings or some such?
More like theaters and ritzy nightclubs:
http://www.pbs.org/jazz/places/spaces_cotton_club.htm
Despite the location, many of these venues were actually quite
segregated, with mostly black entertainers and a strictly white
clientele:
http://teacher.scholastic.com/researchtools/articlearchives/honormlk/harlem.htm
--
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street and people say, "Hey! There's the guy with the big BOBA FETT
signature." Not that I dislike BOBA FETT, but I don't go around wearing a
six-foot tall inflatable BOBA FETT hat strapped to my head."
John Dean
They were going to the Cotton Club.
Though I thought the point of the song was that the Lady *is* high
society but refuses to conform to the standard spoiled brat behaviour -
eg she's never late for the theatre, she won't be a hypocrite about
people she hates and won't go slumming in Harlem.
--
John Dean
Oxford
Peter Boulding
<die-bla...@hyacinthine.net> wrote in
<slrndggdh5.1t1i...@sidehack.gweep.net>:
>Despite the location, many of these venues were actually quite
>segregated, with mostly black entertainers and a strictly white
>clientele
I recall hearing that even at the height of his "jungle music" fame Duke
Ellington wasn't allowed to use the front entrance of The Cotton Club. I
expect Mr H can verify...
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Les Albert
> On 21 Aug 2005 08:07:01 GMT, incandescent blue
> <die-bla...@hyacinthine.net> wrote in
> <slrndggdh5.1t1i...@sidehack.gweep.net>:
> >Despite the location, many of these venues were actually quite
> >segregated, with mostly black entertainers and a strictly white
> >clientele
> I recall hearing that even at the height of his "jungle music" fame Duke
> Ellington wasn't allowed to use the front entrance of The Cotton Club. I
> expect Mr H can verify...
I never heard that, but it's probably true. The Cotton Club was owned
by a bunch of white mobsters and bootleggers, and the club was
segregated; only whites were allowed in the audience while the waiters
and entertainers were black. The show was a musical revue that featured
dancers, singers, comedians, and variety acts. Ellington's band
supplied the music for the singers and the floor show, and his band
also played for the audience to dance.
Les
mdginzo
"I've wined and dined on Mulligan Stew, and never wished for Turkey
As I hitched and hiked and grifted too, from Maine to Albuquerque
Alas, I missed the Beaux Arts Ball, and what is twice as sad
I was never at a party where they honored Noel Ca-ad (Coward)
But social circles spin too fast for me
My "hobohemia" is the place to be"
She is no member of high society as the song seems to ridicule the
contrivances and hypocrises of that society. The "tramp" in this song
isn't rich, but she enjoys life nonetheless and that is what makes her
all the more attractive.
According to Cole.
Opus the Penguin
Anyone know the actual context in which this song is sung? It's in
the 1937 musical "Babes in Arms".
Just judging by the song itself, I'd say that the "tramp" is dating
someone in high society and the ladies are being all catty about her.
> According to Cole.
Lorenz, actually.
John Dean
You betcha! Top man!
We had a thread [1] about this starting 23 December 2003. I surfaced the
original lyrics (which are in the first person):
VERSE
I've wined and dined on Mulligan stew
And never wished for turkey
As I hitched and hiked and grifted, too,
From Maine to Albuquerque.
Alas, I missed the Beaux Arts Ball,
And what is twice as sad,
I was never at a party
Where they honored Noel Ca' ad.
But social circles spin too fast for me.
My Hobohemia is the place to be.
REFRAIN 1
I get too hungry for dinner at eight
I like the theater but never come late
I never bother with people I hate
That's why the lady is a tramp
I don't like crapgames with Barons and Earls
Won't go to Harlem in ermine and pearls
Won't dish the dirt with the rest of the girls
That's why the lady is a tramp
I like the free fresh wind in my hair
Life without care
I'm broke, it's oke
Hates California is cold and is damp
That's why the lady is a tramp
REFRAIN 2
I go to Coney-the beach is divine.
I go to ball games-the bleachers are fine.
I follow Winchell and read ev'ry line.
That's why the lady is a tramp.
I like a prizefight that isn't a fake.
I love the rowing on Central Park Lake.
I go to opera and stay wide awake.
That's why the lady is a tramp.
I like the green grass under my shoes.
What can I lose?
I'm flat! That's that!
I'm all alone when I lower my lamp.
That's why the lady is a tramp.
REFRAIN 3 (reprise)
Don't know the reason for cocktails at five.
I don't like flying-I'm glad I'm alive.
I crave affection, but not when I drive.
That's why the lady is a tramp.
Folks go to London and leave me behind.
I'll miss the crowning, Queen Mary won't mind.
I don't play Scarlett in Gone With the Wind-
That' s why the lady is a tramp.
I like to hang my hat where I please.
Sail with the breeze.
No dough-heigh-ho!
I love La Guardia and think he's a champ.
That' s why the lady is a tramp.
REFRAIN 4 (reprise)
Girls get massages, they cry and they moan.
Tell Lizzie Arden to leave me alone.
I'm not so hot, but my shape is my own.
That's why the lady is a tramp!
The food at Sardi's is perfect, no doubt.
I wouldn't know what the Ritz is about.
I drop a nickel and coffee comes out.
That's why the lady is a tramp!
I like the sweet, fresh rain in my face.
Diamonds and lace,
No got-so what?
[1] I say "thread" but, as usual, we quickly meandered into other
territory.
--
John Dean
Oxford
D.F. Manno
"John Dean" <john...@frag.lineone.net> wrote:
> VERSE
>
> I've wined and dined on Mulligan stew
> And never wished for turkey
> As I hitched and hiked and grifted, too,
> From Maine to Albuquerque.
> Alas, I missed the Beaux Arts Ball,
> And what is twice as sad,
> I was never at a party
> Where they honored Noel Ca' ad.
> But social circles spin too fast for me.
> My Hobohemia is the place to be.
Is there a musical term for this type of verse in a song? I've noticed
that a lot of the standards have introductory verses that can be and
often are omitted from performances. They usually have a different
melody from the rest of the song as well.
--
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"Every decent man is ashamed of the government he lives under. "
- H. L. Mencken
John Dean
> In article <decpeo$g0a$1...@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>,
> "John Dean" <john...@frag.lineone.net> wrote:
>
>> VERSE
>>
>> I've wined and dined on Mulligan stew
>> And never wished for turkey
>> As I hitched and hiked and grifted, too,
>> From Maine to Albuquerque.
>> Alas, I missed the Beaux Arts Ball,
>> And what is twice as sad,
>> I was never at a party
>> Where they honored Noel Ca' ad.
>> But social circles spin too fast for me.
>> My Hobohemia is the place to be.
>
> Is there a musical term for this type of verse in a song? I've noticed
> that a lot of the standards have introductory verses that can be and
> often are omitted from performances. They usually have a different
> melody from the rest of the song as well.
Uh huh. I think the golden age for that style was the 20s through the
early 50s. And, at the time, the intro bit, often performed as a
semi-recitative, was indeed known as the verse where what we would more
usually call the verse today was the refrain. Often, there would be a
chorus in the middle or scattered about and repeated.
Shame they're neglected because they're often entertaining in their own
right and they set up the rest of the song. The great popular singers
like Fitzgerald, Sinatra, Bennett and the rest *do* often include them
on their recordings.
--
John Dean
Oxford
Harvey Van Sickle
> D.F. Manno wrote:
>> Is there a musical term for this type of verse in a song? I've
>> noticed that a lot of the standards have introductory verses that
>> can be and often are omitted from performances. They usually have
>> a different melody from the rest of the song as well.
>
> Uh huh. I think the golden age for that style was the 20s through
> the early 50s.
Sounds like a good quest: try to find the best-known song with the
least-known intro.
I'll start the quiz with an easy one: to what song does this opening
belong (unacknowledged googling is cheating, of course):
This day and age we're living in
Gives cause for apprehension
With speed and new invention
And things like third dimension
Yet we get a trifle weary
With Mr Einstein's theory
So we must come down to earth at times
Relax, relieve the tension
No matter what the progress
Or what may yet be proved
The simple facts of life are such
They cannot be removed.
--
Cheers,
Harvey
Boron Elgar
"As Time Goes By"
No googling required.
Boron
Harvey Van Sickle
>> I'll start the quiz with an easy one: to what song does this
>> opening belong (unacknowledged googling is cheating, of course):
>>
>> This day and age we're living in
>> Gives cause for apprehension
-snip-
> "As Time Goes By"
> No googling required.
Hmmm. Too easy; how about just the first couple of lines:
Life has just begun
Jack has found his Jill
Don't know what you've done
But I'm all a-thrill.
or
I just saw a maniac, maniac,
Wild, and tearing his hair.
Jumping like a jumping jack, jumping jack
Child, you should'a been there.
--
Cheers,
Harvey
John Hatpin
I didn't know the lyrics, but I guessed correctly. It's that "The
simple facts of life are such" that gave it away; it meshes with the
main lyrics.
I'll respond with a single line from another intro in the same genre:
"What to do, what to do, what to do?"
Again, no Googling, please.
--
John Hatpin
Boron Elgar
<harve...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>On 23 Aug 2005, Boron Elgar wrote
>> On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 11:45:21 GMT, Harvey Van Sickle
>><harve...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>-snip-
>
>>> I'll start the quiz with an easy one: to what song does this
>>> opening belong (unacknowledged googling is cheating, of course):
>>>
>>> This day and age we're living in
>>> Gives cause for apprehension
>
>-snip-
>
>> "As Time Goes By"
>> No googling required.
>
>Hmmm. Too easy; how about just the first couple of lines:
>
> Life has just begun
> Jack has found his Jill
> Don't know what you've done
> But I'm all a-thrill.
>
I have all the Ella Song Books, don't you think that 'S Wonderful!
>or
>
> I just saw a maniac, maniac,
> Wild, and tearing his hair.
> Jumping like a jumping jack, jumping jack
> Child, you should'a been there.
I'll leave that, as though it is familiar, I'd have to verify.
Boron
Boron Elgar
The most delightful way to hear any of them is with the Ella
Fitzgerald Song books.
Here's a fun one:
The odds were a hundred to one against me
The world thought the heights were too high to climb
But people from Missouri never incensed me
Oh, I wasn't a bit concerned
For from hist'ry I had learned
How many, many times the worm had turned
Boron
Charles Bishop
<boron...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Yeah, but Boron doesn't get to play as it's an unfair advantage and she's
using her COWER MORTALS ability. I knew it only because there was someone
on NPR talking about either the song or the singer or composer or
something, in the last few days.
charles, if I could remember even most of what I heard, I'd be great at
COWER MORTALS
Boron Elgar
I have never considered myself to have a COWER MORTALS category at
all, unless one counts swearing like a sailor.
Boron
Jim Ellwanger
<harve...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> Sounds like a good quest: try to find the best-known song with the
> least-known intro.
(I know there are at least a few other people on this NG who know what
song this is, but among the public at large, the two verses to this
song are MUCH less well-known than the chorus.)
Cagey Casey was baseball mad
Had the fever and had it bad
Just to root for the hometown crew
Every sou Casey blew
On a Saturday her young beau
Called to see if she'd like to go
To see a show, but Miss Case said no
"I'll tell you what you can do..."
--
Jim Ellwanger <use...@ellwanger.tv>
<http://www.ellwanger.tv> welcomes you daily.
Richard R. Hershberger
Jim Ellwanger wrote:
> In article <Xns96BB81D6...@80.5.182.99>, Harvey Van Sickle
> <harve...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
> > Sounds like a good quest: try to find the best-known song with the
> > least-known intro.
>
> (I know there are at least a few other people on this NG who know what
> song this is, but among the public at large, the two verses to this
> song are MUCH less well-known than the chorus.)
>
> Cagey Casey was baseball mad
> Had the fever and had it bad
> Just to root for the hometown crew
> Every sou Casey blew
> On a Saturday her young beau
> Called to see if she'd like to go
> To see a show, but Miss Case said no
> "I'll tell you what you can do..."
I not only know what song this is, I know the melody to the verses.
But then I am a geek...
Harvey Van Sickle
> In article <Xns96BB81D6...@80.5.182.99>, Harvey Van
> Sickle
><harve...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>> Sounds like a good quest: try to find the best-known song with
>> the least-known intro.
>
> (I know there are at least a few other people on this NG who know
> what song this is, but among the public at large, the two verses
> to this song are MUCH less well-known than the chorus.)
>
> Cagey Casey was baseball mad
> Had the fever and had it bad
> Just to root for the hometown crew
> Every sou Casey blew
> On a Saturday her young beau
> Called to see if she'd like to go
> To see a show, but Miss Case said no
> "I'll tell you what you can do..."
I'm not familiar with it, but would guess that it's TMOTTBG. Yes?
--
Cheers,
Harvey
Magnus, Robot Fighter
I sang that to my wife at our wedding...her family wasn't very
understanding.
James Gifford
> (I know there are at least a few other people on this NG who know what
> song this is, but among the public at large, the two verses to this
> song are MUCH less well-known than the chorus.)
>
Katie Casey, you mean.
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John Dean
Ran it through the lobes a couple times and it clicked - Foggy Day in
London Town. Is it my illusion, or is that a song where the verse is
sung more often than most of its contemporaries? Maybe because it's not
too far removed, speed wise, from the refrain.
How 'bout this, from the verse of my all time favourite big band era
song:
So the legends tell,
Song birds sing,
Winter turns to spring,
--
John Dean
Oxford
darkon
> On 23 Aug 2005, Jim Ellwanger wrote
>
>> In article <Xns96BB81D6...@80.5.182.99>, Harvey Van
>> Sickle
>><harve...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Sounds like a good quest: try to find the best-known song with
>>> the least-known intro.
>>
>> (I know there are at least a few other people on this NG who know
>> what song this is, but among the public at large, the two verses
>> to this song are MUCH less well-known than the chorus.)
>>
>> Cagey Casey was baseball mad
>> Had the fever and had it bad
>> Just to root for the hometown crew
>> Every sou Casey blew
>> On a Saturday her young beau
>> Called to see if she'd like to go
>> To see a show, but Miss Case said no
>> "I'll tell you what you can do..."
>
> I'm not familiar with it, but would guess that it's TMOTTBG. Yes?
And IIRC, the man who wrote it had never even been to a baseball game
at the time he wrote the song.
Harvey Van Sickle
-snip-
> Ran it through the lobes a couple times and it clicked - Foggy Day
> in London Town. Is it my illusion, or is that a song where the
> verse is sung more often than most of its contemporaries? Maybe
> because it's not too far removed, speed wise, from the refrain.
> How 'bout this, from the verse of my all time favourite big band
> era song:
>
> So the legends tell,
> Song birds sing,
> Winter turns to spring,
Species Nightingale, genus Berkeley Square. (Or the other way
'round...)
--
Cheers,
Harvey
Charles Wm. Dimmick
> In article <Xns96BB81D6...@80.5.182.99>, Harvey Van Sickle
> <harve...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Sounds like a good quest: try to find the best-known song with the
>>least-known intro.
>
>
> (I know there are at least a few other people on this NG who know what
> song this is, but among the public at large, the two verses to this
> song are MUCH less well-known than the chorus.)
>
> Cagey Casey was baseball mad
> Had the fever and had it bad
> Just to root for the hometown crew
> Every sou Casey blew
> On a Saturday her young beau
> Called to see if she'd like to go
> To see a show, but Miss Case said no
> "I'll tell you what you can do..."
>
Boy oh boy is THAT one familiar.
In contrast, I do NOT know the intro verses to
most of the other songs out there. But, how about
"There's something quite peculiar,
About this world of ours.
Sometimes you live in sunshine bright;
Sometimes you live in showers..."
Charles
John Hatpin
>John Hatpin wrote:
[...]
>> I'll respond with a single line from another intro in the same genre:
>>
>> "What to do, what to do, what to do?"
>>
>> Again, no Googling, please.
>
>Ran it through the lobes a couple times and it clicked - Foggy Day in
>London Town. Is it my illusion, or is that a song where the verse is
>sung more often than most of its contemporaries? Maybe because it's not
>too far removed, speed wise, from the refrain.
The only version of Foggy Day I know that includes the intro is from
"Ella & Louis", and the verse is sung, by Ella, in an out-of-tempo
style.
If it is sung more frequently than others, maybe it's because it's
just a good verse: it introduces the rest of the song marvellously.
>How 'bout this, from the verse of my all time favourite big band era
>song:
>
>So the legends tell,
>Song birds sing,
>Winter turns to spring,
FWIW, I had to Google for that one. My lips are sealed.
--
John Hatpin
Harvey Van Sickle
> On 23 Aug 2005, John Dean wrote
>> How 'bout this, from the verse of my all time favourite big band
>> era song:
>>
>> So the legends tell,
>> Song birds sing,
>> Winter turns to spring,
>
> Species Nightingale, genus Berkeley Square. (Or the other way
> 'round...)
How 'bout:
Years we've been together, seems we can't get along.
No matter what I do, it don't appeal to you.
Makes no difference whether I am right or I'm wrong
If we can't be sweethearts this much you should do:
--
Cheers,
Harvey
D.F. Manno
Boron Elgar <boron...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Here's a fun one:
>
> The odds were a hundred to one against me
> The world thought the heights were too high to climb
> But people from Missouri never incensed me
> Oh, I wasn't a bit concerned
> For from hist'ry I had learned
> How many, many times the worm had turned
"They All Laughed"
Boron Elgar
<dfm2a...@spymac.com> wrote:
>In article <6qbmg1hokisv41gje...@4ax.com>,
> Boron Elgar <boron...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Here's a fun one:
>>
>> The odds were a hundred to one against me
>> The world thought the heights were too high to climb
>> But people from Missouri never incensed me
>> Oh, I wasn't a bit concerned
>> For from hist'ry I had learned
>> How many, many times the worm had turned
>
>"They All Laughed"
Fella gets a cigar!
Boron
D.F. Manno
> "D.F. Manno" <dfm2a...@spymac.com> wrote:
>
> > Boron Elgar <boron...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Here's a fun one:
> >>
> >> The odds were a hundred to one against me
> >> The world thought the heights were too high to climb
> >> But people from Missouri never incensed me
> >> Oh, I wasn't a bit concerned
> >> For from hist'ry I had learned
> >> How many, many times the worm had turned
> >
> >"They All Laughed"
>
> Fella gets a cigar!
Thank you.
Here's a semi-obscure one:
I'm the glum one
It's explainable
I met someone
Unattainable
Life's a bore
The world is my oyster no more.
All the papers where I led the news
With my capers now will spread the news
Superman turns out to be flash in the pan
Boron Elgar
<dfm2a...@spymac.com> wrote:
>Boron Elgar <boron...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "D.F. Manno" <dfm2a...@spymac.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Boron Elgar <boron...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Here's a fun one:
>> >>
>> >> The odds were a hundred to one against me
>> >> The world thought the heights were too high to climb
>> >> But people from Missouri never incensed me
>> >> Oh, I wasn't a bit concerned
>> >> For from hist'ry I had learned
>> >> How many, many times the worm had turned
>> >
>> >"They All Laughed"
>>
>> Fella gets a cigar!
>
>Thank you.
>
>Here's a semi-obscure one:
>
>I'm the glum one
>It's explainable
>I met someone
>Unattainable
>Life's a bore
>The world is my oyster no more.
>All the papers where I led the news
>With my capers now will spread the news
>Superman turns out to be flash in the pan
"I Can't Get Started"
Asterbark
> I have never considered myself to have a COWER MORTALS category at
> all, unless one counts swearing like a sailor.
>
One! One swearing sailor! Ah-ah-ah!
Two! Two swearing sailors! Ah-ah-ah!
Three! Three swearing sailors! Ah-ah-ah!
Boron Elgar
You, too, may someday live in dread that your offspring's first word
will not be "mama" or "dada," but "fuck."
Boron
Kevin
<Aste...@fronticklernet.newt> wrote:
That may be the dirtiest sounding thing I've ever read that didn't
have any dirty words in it.
--
Kevin
Sanford Manley
True story....
Family shops at my store for years...very
nice folk and I see them once or twice a day.
The new baby is born...a little red head boy
and he is as cute as hell...I see him once or
twice a day for nearly a year and I pay a
lot of attention to him each time I see him.
I really like the family...nice people...well
at about the end of the year, he rolls past
in his stroller and spots me...as he rolls down
the aisle, he gets really excited and utters
his first words ever at nearly the top of
his lungs...not Mommy...not Daddy...
"SANDY! SANDY!"
Mom and Dad thought it was hilarious!
--
Sanford M. Manley
Probably the saddest thing you'll ever
see is a mosquito sucking on a
mummy. Forget it, little friend.
I am The Ansaman! http://www.ansaman.com
Jim Ellwanger
Gifford <n...@nitrosyncretic.kom> wrote:
> Jim Ellwanger <use...@ellwanger.tv> wrote:
>
> > Cagey Casey was baseball mad...
>
> Katie Casey, you mean.
You're right, although I have an MP3 of a 1908 cylinder recording of
this song by a singer named Edward Meeker, and it sure as heck sounds
like he's singing "Cagey" there. Probably they just didn't want to
have to go back and redo the recording after they'd already scratched
out the cylinder.
Hank Gillette
> Sounds like a good quest: try to find the best-known song with the
> least-known intro.
>
Is this one too easy?
My story is much too sad to be told,
But practically ev'rything leaves me totally cold.
The only exception I know is the case
When I'm out on a quiet spree
Fighting vainly the old ennui
And I suddenly turn and see
Your fabulous face.
or
When the wintry winds starts blowing
And the snow is starting in the fall
Then my eyes went westward knowing
That's the place that I love best of all
xxxxxxx I've been blue
Since I've been away from you
I can't wait 'till I get blowing
Even now i'm starting in a call
or
Wildcat Kelley, lookinš mighty pale,
Was standinš by the sheriffšs side
And when the sheriff said "Išm sendin you to jail",
Wildcat raised his head and cried
--
Hank Gillette
Being gay means you HAVE SEX with the SAME SEX. Not that you are
attracted to the same sex. If it did, we'd ALL be guilty of being
gay at times. -- Just Allan
Greg Goss
>> Is there a musical term for this type of verse in a song? I've noticed
>> that a lot of the standards have introductory verses that can be and
>> often are omitted from performances. They usually have a different
>> melody from the rest of the song as well.
>
>Uh huh. I think the golden age for that style was the 20s through the
>early 50s.
I want my, I want my, I want my MTV...
--
Tomorrow is today already.
Greg Goss, 1989-01-27
Peter Boulding
<harve...@ntlworld.com> wrote in <Xns96BB81D6...@80.5.182.99>:
>Sounds like a good quest: try to find the best-known song with the
>least-known intro.
How about:
Spring is here, spring is here
Life is skittles and life is beer
I think the loveliest time of the year is the spring
I do. Don't you? 'Course you do.
But there's one thing that makes spring complete for me,
And makes ev'ry Sunday a treat for me ...
--
Regards
Peter Boulding
p...@UNSPAMpboulding.co.uk (to e-mail, remove "UNSPAM")
Fractal music & images: http://www.pboulding.co.uk/
Harvey Van Sickle
> On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 11:45:21 GMT, Harvey Van Sickle
><harve...@ntlworld.com> wrote in
><Xns96BB81D6...@80.5.182.99>:
>
>> Sounds like a good quest: try to find the best-known song with
>> the least-known intro.
>
> How about:
>
>
> Spring is here, spring is here
> Life is skittles and life is beer
> I think the loveliest time of the year is the spring
> I do. Don't you? 'Course you do.
> But there's one thing that makes spring complete for me,
> And makes ev'ry Sunday a treat for me ...
That one kills' em dead every time -- just like peanuts when coated
with cyanide...
--
Cheers,
Harvey
John Dean
> Boron Elgar <boron...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "D.F. Manno" <dfm2a...@spymac.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Boron Elgar <boron...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Here's a fun one:
>>>>
>>>> The odds were a hundred to one against me
>>>> The world thought the heights were too high to climb
>>>> But people from Missouri never incensed me
>>>> Oh, I wasn't a bit concerned
>>>> For from hist'ry I had learned
>>>> How many, many times the worm had turned
>>>
>>> "They All Laughed"
>>
>> Fella gets a cigar!
>
> Thank you.
>
> Here's a semi-obscure one:
>
> I'm the glum one
> It's explainable
> I met someone
> Unattainable
> Life's a bore
> The world is my oyster no more.
> All the papers where I led the news
> With my capers now will spread the news
> Superman turns out to be flash in the pan
Nope.
I'll swap you for:
Behold the way our fine feathered-friend
his virtue doth parade.
Thou knowest not my dim witted friend,
the picture Thou hast made.
Thy vacant brow and Thy tousled hair
conceal Thy good intent.
Thou noble upright, truthful, sincere
And slightly dopey gent- you are..
--
John Dean
Oxford
Boron Elgar
<john...@frag.lineone.net> wrote:
>I'll swap you for:
>
>Behold the way our fine feathered-friend
>his virtue doth parade.
>Thou knowest not my dim witted friend,
>the picture Thou hast made.
>Thy vacant brow and Thy tousled hair
>conceal Thy good intent.
>Thou noble upright, truthful, sincere
>And slightly dopey gent- you are..
One of my fave's....MFV.
Boron
S. Checker
> The only version of Foggy Day I know that includes the intro is from
> "Ella & Louis", and the verse is sung, by Ella, in an out-of-tempo
> style.
>
"Foggy Day" isn't on the Ella/Louis album I regularly listen to. I
Googled it up; I've got
http://www.musicoutfitter.com/store/item/731455735222/jazzroundmidnight.html
http://tinyurl.com/ao8bl
"Jazz 'Round Midnight."
--
Your legs are too short to kick-box with the Buddha.
groo
> Uh huh. I think the golden age for that style was the 20s through the
> early 50s. And, at the time, the intro bit, often performed as a
> semi-recitative, was indeed known as the verse where what we would more
> usually call the verse today was the refrain. Often, there would be a
> chorus in the middle or scattered about and repeated.
> Shame they're neglected because they're often entertaining in their own
> right and they set up the rest of the song. The great popular singers
> like Fitzgerald, Sinatra, Bennett and the rest *do* often include them
> on their recordings.
>
Here's my entry:
When I was back there in seminary school
There was a person there
Who put forth the proposition
That you can petition the Lord with prayer
Petition the lord with prayer
Petition the lord with prayer
You CANNOT petition the lord with prayer!
--
"I'm declaring myself conductor of this meeting as I have the bribe
sheet." - Al, founding father of "Deadwood"
John Hatpin
>John Hatpin <no...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>
>> The only version of Foggy Day I know that includes the intro is from
>> "Ella & Louis", and the verse is sung, by Ella, in an out-of-tempo
>> style.
>>
>Side note: You had mentioned this album before, but I realized that
>"Foggy Day" isn't on the Ella/Louis album I regularly listen to. I
>Googled it up; I've got
>http://www.musicoutfitter.com/store/item/731455735222/jazzroundmidnight.html
>http://tinyurl.com/ao8bl
>
>"Jazz 'Round Midnight."
It was actually two albums (sometimes released as a double) in the
vinyl days, all from the same Norman Granz studio session. Since
then, there've been many different compilations on CDs, a lot of them
incorporating material from other sessions, including some live
pieces, and some other recordings where only one of the two are
present. But they don't seem to include all the original recordings.
Strangely enough, I've never been able to track down a double CD that
contains all the material from the original, wonderful Granz session.
You can probably get it all, but you'd have to buy several discs with
stuff from different recordings they made thrown in, and probably some
duplicates.
Not that there's anything wrong with that, of course ...
--
John Hatpin
huey.c...@gmail.com
> Here's my entry:
>
> When I was back there in seminary school
> There was a person there
> Who put forth the proposition
> That you can petition the Lord with prayer
> Petition the lord with prayer
> Petition the lord with prayer
> You CANNOT petition the lord with prayer!
Given the demographic of this group, that's way too easy.
--
Huey
Mike Brandt
Then I won't even bother posting:
Some men hunt for sport
Others hunt for food
But the only thing I'm hunting for
Is an outfit that looks good
--
Mike Brandt
Asterbark
As long as it's not the first word of the first sentence.
enri
> Some men hunt for sport
> Others hunt for food
> But the only thing I'm hunting for
> Is an outfit that looks good
Mr. Burns!!!!!
I adore your song.
enri
Opus the Penguin
My story is much too sad to be told
But practically everything leaves me totally cold.
The only exception I know is the case
When I'm out on a quiet spree
Fighting vainly the old ennui
And I suddenly turn and see
Your fabulous face.
--
Opus the Penguin
The best darn penguin in all of Usenet
Opus the Penguin
Ok, but how about this? This is the SECOND verse to a song that, if
you know Ella, you probably know the first verse and refrain to.
Once I was old--
Twenty years or so--
Rather well preserved,
The wrinkles didn't show.
Once I was old,
But not too old for fun.
I used to hunt for little girls
Up my imaginary gun.
But now I aim for only one!
Boron Elgar
<opusthepen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>This one has to be a gimme, right?
>
>My story is much too sad to be told
>But practically everything leaves me totally cold.
>The only exception I know is the case
>When I'm out on a quiet spree
>Fighting vainly the old ennui
>And I suddenly turn and see
>Your fabulous face.
IGAKOOY.
Boron
Boron Elgar
<opusthepen...@gmail.com> wrote:
OOO, I had to look that one up.
Boron
Opus the Penguin
> Is this one too easy?
>
> My story is much too sad to be told,
> But practically ev'rything leaves me totally cold.
> The only exception I know is the case
> When I'm out on a quiet spree
> Fighting vainly the old ennui
> And I suddenly turn and see
> Your fabulous face.
Apparently not too easy. I posted the same one today, not having seen
yours even though it was posted yesterday. No replies to either.
Or maybe it *is* too easy and there aren't enough show-off points to
make anyone bother identifying it.
Opus the Penguin
> On 24 Aug 2005 20:02:52 GMT, Opus the Penguin wrote:
>
>>Ok, but how about this? This is the SECOND verse to a song that, if
>>you know Ella, you probably know the first verse and refrain to.
>>
>>Once I was old--
>>Twenty years or so--
>>Rather well preserved,
>>The wrinkles didn't show.
>>Once I was old,
>>But not too old for fun.
>>I used to hunt for little girls
>>Up my imaginary gun.
>>But now I aim for only one!
>
>
> OOO, I had to look that one up.
So did I. Originally I was going to post the first verse. That was
all I knew. But I looked that verse up on the net because I figured,
why type it if I can cut and paste? That's how I ran across the above
which I'd never seen or heard before.
I assume you recognized the first verse immediately, as well as the
refrain of course.
Boron Elgar
<opusthepen...@gmail.com> wrote:
I can get thrown by a first verse, and I blame that on Ella, too.
Refrains are like the 900# clues to the New York Times Crossword.
Cheatin'.
Boron
John Hatpin
Well, I'll give it a stab. The first line rings a big bell, but the
others are completely unknown to me - no associations at all.
However, the actual meaning of the words makes me think it's from "I
Get A Kick Out Of You". If I were a betting man, I'd lay GBP10 on
that being the answer - the message is the same.
D.F. Manno
Boron Elgar <boron...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 19:04:06 -0400, "D.F. Manno"
> <dfm2a...@spymac.com> wrote:
>
> >Here's a semi-obscure one:
> >
> >I'm the glum one
> >It's explainable
> >I met someone
> >Unattainable
> >Life's a bore
> >The world is my oyster no more.
> >All the papers where I led the news
> >With my capers now will spread the news
> >Superman turns out to be flash in the pan
>
> "I Can't Get Started"
Yep. Does one offer a lady a cigar, even one who can outswear a sailor?
--
D.F. Manno | dfm2a...@spymac.com
"Every decent man is ashamed of the government he lives under. "
- H. L. Mencken
mdginzo
> Wild, and tearing his hair.
> Jumping like a jumping jack, jumping jack
> Child, you should'a been there.
Is that "five foor two and eyes of blue"?
Harvey Van Sickle
Yup. (I've always had a soft spot for the lines that follow those,
which rhyme "I would cave in" with "daffy dilly ravin'".)
'Nother one:
You told me there wasn't a lesson in lovin'
That you hadn't learned.
Oh yeah? Oh yeah?
You told me that you could keep playing with fire
Without getting burned.
Oh yeah? Oh yeah?
(Maybe too well known, that one; dunno.)
--
Cheers,
Harvey
Harvey Van Sickle
I don't know it; like John says, the sentiment would fit a lead-in to
the line "I get no kick from champagne", but that's pure guesswork.
--
Cheers,
Harvey
Rick B.
news:1124933192.c7710161fbe2f044c47cb6677636d764@teranews:
> In article <n0bng1lu6epr9p5q9...@4ax.com>,
> Boron Elgar <boron...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "I Can't Get Started"
>
> Yep. Does one offer a lady a cigar, even one who can outswear a
> sailor?
*Especially* one who can outswear a sailor.
Boron Elgar
<dfm2a...@spymac.com> wrote:
>In article <n0bng1lu6epr9p5q9...@4ax.com>,
> Boron Elgar <boron...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 19:04:06 -0400, "D.F. Manno"
>> <dfm2a...@spymac.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Here's a semi-obscure one:
>> >
>> >I'm the glum one
>> >It's explainable
>> >I met someone
>> >Unattainable
>> >Life's a bore
>> >The world is my oyster no more.
>> >All the papers where I led the news
>> >With my capers now will spread the news
>> >Superman turns out to be flash in the pan
>>
>> "I Can't Get Started"
>
>Yep. Does one offer a lady a cigar, even one who can outswear a sailor?
I gave up smoking 12 years ago, otherwise I'd ask for a pack of
Marlboros. Thanks, though..
Boron
Hank Gillette
John Hatpin <no...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
> Well, I'll give it a stab. The first line rings a big bell, but the
> others are completely unknown to me - no associations at all.
>
> However, the actual meaning of the words makes me think it's from "I
> Get A Kick Out Of You". If I were a betting man, I'd lay GBP10 on
> that being the answer - the message is the same.
Give that man a cigar.
You've got to love a songwriter who can work "ennui" into his lyrics.
The only down side of listening to Cole Porter is having to carry around
a dictionary.
--
Hank Gillette
To live it again is past all endeavor,
Except when that tune clutches my heart,
And there we are, swearing to love forever,
And promising never, never to part.
What moments divine, what rapture serene,
Till clouds came along to disperse the joys we had tasted,
And now when I hear people curse the chance that was wasted,
I know but too well what they mean;
Boron Elgar
<hankgi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>In article <uj5qg1hahngj47438...@4ax.com>,
> John Hatpin <no...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Well, I'll give it a stab. The first line rings a big bell, but the
>> others are completely unknown to me - no associations at all.
>>
>> However, the actual meaning of the words makes me think it's from "I
>> Get A Kick Out Of You". If I were a betting man, I'd lay GBP10 on
>> that being the answer - the message is the same.
>
>Give that man a cigar.
>
>You've got to love a songwriter who can work "ennui" into his lyrics.
>The only down side of listening to Cole Porter is having to carry around
>a dictionary.
>
Sondheim worked it in once, too, in "Follies." He is the only lyricist
who is at the same level as Cole Porter in terms of wit and whimsy.
Boron
John Hatpin
>In article <uj5qg1hahngj47438...@4ax.com>,
> John Hatpin <no...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Well, I'll give it a stab. The first line rings a big bell, but the
>> others are completely unknown to me - no associations at all.
>>
>> However, the actual meaning of the words makes me think it's from "I
>> Get A Kick Out Of You". If I were a betting man, I'd lay GBP10 on
>> that being the answer - the message is the same.
>
>Give that man a cigar.
>
>You've got to love a songwriter who can work "ennui" into his lyrics.
>The only down side of listening to Cole Porter is having to carry around
>a dictionary.
Have you seen "De-Lovely" (the film)? I think the script and the
actor who played Porter created together a plausible and powerful
portrait of the man behind those songs.
Without checking, I'll bet the OED defines "bittersweet" as "almost
like Cole Porter".
Didn't he write "Don't Fence Me In" after he'd complained about the
current fashion for cheap cowboy tunes, and someone wagered he
wouldn't be able to write a successful one himself? If so, Porter
certainly won that bet. Source: a friend[1] once told me.
Oh, and as for working words into lyrics, how about Jerome Kern
rhyming the eponymous "Yesterdays" with "sequestered days".?
[1] This was an ex-friend with whom I didn't fall out - our lives
simply diverged. We *still* need a word for that. Sorry to be a bore
on the subject.
--
John Hatpin
John Hatpin
>On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 10:01:05 -0400, Hank Gillette
><hankgi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>In article <uj5qg1hahngj47438...@4ax.com>,
>> John Hatpin <no...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> Well, I'll give it a stab. The first line rings a big bell, but the
>>> others are completely unknown to me - no associations at all.
>>>
>>> However, the actual meaning of the words makes me think it's from "I
>>> Get A Kick Out Of You". If I were a betting man, I'd lay GBP10 on
>>> that being the answer - the message is the same.
>>
>>Give that man a cigar.
>>
>>You've got to love a songwriter who can work "ennui" into his lyrics.
>>The only down side of listening to Cole Porter is having to carry around
>>a dictionary.
>
>Sondheim worked it in once, too, in "Follies." He is the only lyricist
>who is at the same level as Cole Porter in terms of wit and whimsy.
Hell, Lou Reed wrote an entire song called "Ennui". And Hall & Oates
wrote "Ennui On The Mountain". Serg Gainsbourg got it in once too,
with his "Ce Mortel Ennui". A band called "Nocturnal Rites" seem to
have written something called "Lay of Ennui":
Lay of ennui king of the lore
Lay of ennui hear our call
Lay of ennui prince of the darkness
Lay of ennui we abide
I've not heard it, but I'm sure it's absolutely delightful fun.
Oh, there's lots more, but I'm tired of Googling ...
--
John Hatpin
darkon
> [1] This was an ex-friend with whom I didn't fall out - our lives
> simply diverged. We *still* need a word for that. Sorry to be a
> bore on the subject.
Maybe you just said it. How about calling them diverged friends? Then
if you happen to meet them again you could call them a converged
friend.
D.F. Manno
<hankgillette-3648...@comcast.dca.giganews.com>,
Hank Gillette <hankgi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> To live it again is past all endeavor,
> Except when that tune clutches my heart,
> And there we are, swearing to love forever,
> And promising never, never to part.
> What moments divine, what rapture serene,
> Till clouds came along to disperse the joys we had tasted,
> And now when I hear people curse the chance that was wasted,
> I know but too well what they mean;
"Begin the Beguine"
D.F. Manno
John Hatpin <no...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
> Didn't he write "Don't Fence Me In" after he'd complained about the
> current fashion for cheap cowboy tunes, and someone wagered he
> wouldn't be able to write a successful one himself? If so, Porter
> certainly won that bet. Source: a friend[1] once told me.
There's a story about Frank Sinatra boasting one day to a friend that he
could take any song and make it a hit. So the friend bet him he couldn't
do it with "Old MacDonald." Which is how Sinatra wound up recording "Old
MacDonald."
I don't know if it was a hit, so I don't know who won the bet.
John Dean
> On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 10:01:05 -0400, Hank Gillette
> <hankgi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <uj5qg1hahngj47438...@4ax.com>,
>> John Hatpin <no...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> Well, I'll give it a stab. The first line rings a big bell, but the
>>> others are completely unknown to me - no associations at all.
>>>
>>> However, the actual meaning of the words makes me think it's from "I
>>> Get A Kick Out Of You". If I were a betting man, I'd lay GBP10 on
>>> that being the answer - the message is the same.
>>
>> Give that man a cigar.
>>
>> You've got to love a songwriter who can work "ennui" into his lyrics.
>> The only down side of listening to Cole Porter is having to carry
>> around a dictionary.
>>
>
> Sondheim worked it in once, too, in "Follies." He is the only lyricist
> who is at the same level as Cole Porter in terms of wit and whimsy.
>
Respectfully disagree. I'm a Larry Hart from way back.
--
John Dean
Oxford
John Dean
You know it's reached football fandom too? Arsenal haters are
complaining of Thierry ennui. Seriously.
--
John "Ennui for tennis?" Dean
Oxford
John Dean
> Hank Gillette wrote:
>
>> In article <uj5qg1hahngj47438...@4ax.com>,
>> John Hatpin <no...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> Well, I'll give it a stab. The first line rings a big bell, but the
>>> others are completely unknown to me - no associations at all.
>>>
>>> However, the actual meaning of the words makes me think it's from "I
>>> Get A Kick Out Of You". If I were a betting man, I'd lay GBP10 on
>>> that being the answer - the message is the same.
>>
>> Give that man a cigar.
>>
>> You've got to love a songwriter who can work "ennui" into his lyrics.
>> The only down side of listening to Cole Porter is having to carry
>> around a dictionary.
>
> Have you seen "De-Lovely" (the film)? I think the script and the
> actor who played Porter created together a plausible and powerful
> portrait of the man behind those songs.
>
> Without checking, I'll bet the OED defines "bittersweet" as "almost
> like Cole Porter".
>
> Didn't he write "Don't Fence Me In" after he'd complained about the
> current fashion for cheap cowboy tunes, and someone wagered he
> wouldn't be able to write a successful one himself? If so, Porter
> certainly won that bet. Source: a friend[1] once told me.
>
With friends like that you don't need ennuis.
The song was a hit in the 40s, but Porter wrote it in 1934 (or possibly
earlier) for a stage show (Adios Argentina) which was never actually
produced. But none of the songwriters ever threw anything away.
--
John Dean
Oxford
John Hatpin
>In article <3vlrg1lhqukkpe7k1...@4ax.com>,
> John Hatpin <no...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Didn't he write "Don't Fence Me In" after he'd complained about the
>> current fashion for cheap cowboy tunes, and someone wagered he
>> wouldn't be able to write a successful one himself? If so, Porter
>> certainly won that bet. Source: a friend[1] once told me.
>
>There's a story about Frank Sinatra boasting one day to a friend that he
>could take any song and make it a hit. So the friend bet him he couldn't
>do it with "Old MacDonald." Which is how Sinatra wound up recording "Old
>MacDonald."
>
>I don't know if it was a hit, so I don't know who won the bet.
OK, here we go for a merge. Sinatra once performed "I Get A Kick Out
Of You" to an audience that included Cole Porter. Sinatra changed the
lyrics and sang "I get a boot out of you". After the performance, an
angry Cole Porter shouted to Sinatra: "if you don't like my lyrics,
don't sing my songs".
--
John Hatpin
Boron Elgar
I am too, but I am always dazzled by Sondheim, whose music, too, is so
wonderful.
I grew up listening to Porter, Rodgers & Hart & Hammerstein, but I
seem to have come of age coincident with Sondheim's peak years. Since
I saw so many of the Sondheim shows when they opened, it was quite an
experience and I learned all the music (and lyrics) in context and
that has given it all a very sentimental place in my H(e)art.
Boron
John Hatpin
>John Hatpin wrote:
[...]
>> Without checking, I'll bet the OED defines "bittersweet" as "almost
>> like Cole Porter".
>>
>> Didn't he write "Don't Fence Me In" after he'd complained about the
>> current fashion for cheap cowboy tunes, and someone wagered he
>> wouldn't be able to write a successful one himself? If so, Porter
>> certainly won that bet. Source: a friend[1] once told me.
>
>With friends like that you don't need ennuis.
Groo? How difficult or troubling would it be to add a "pun of the
week" to your Marys?
>The song was a hit in the 40s, but Porter wrote it in 1934 (or possibly
>earlier) for a stage show (Adios Argentina) which was never actually
>produced. But none of the songwriters ever threw anything away.
Ah, yes ... but did he, or did he not, write it for a bet?
I've spent some time Googling, but I can't find a web page that
supports that hypothesis. Which is a shame, because I'm fairly sure
I'd seen one a few years ago.
--
John Hatpin
Les Albert
<p...@UNSPAMpboulding.co.uk> wrote:
>On 21 Aug 2005 08:07:01 GMT, incandescent blue
><die-bla...@hyacinthine.net> wrote in
><slrndggdh5.1t1i...@sidehack.gweep.net>:
>
>>Despite the location, many of these venues were actually quite
>>segregated, with mostly black entertainers and a strictly white
>>clientele
>I recall hearing that even at the height of his "jungle music" fame Duke
>Ellington wasn't allowed to use the front entrance of The Cotton Club. I
>expect Mr H can verify...
I never heard that, but it's very likely. The Cotton Club was owned
by a consortium of mobsters led by bootlegger Owney Madden. The club
was segregated, only Whites were allowed in the audience while the
waiters and entertainers were all African-American, with the exception
of occasional guest star appearances. The show was a musical revue
which featured dancers, singers, comedians and variety acts, as well
as Ellington's band which supplied music for the floor show and
singers. The orchestra also played for the audience to dance.
The Cotton Club changed my life.
Les
Boron Elgar
Peter Boulding
wrote in <9tutg1holdpracs75...@4ax.com>:
>On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 15:11:31 -0700, Les Albert <lalb...@aol.com>
>wrote:
...
>>I never heard that, but it's very likely. The Cotton Club was owned
>>by a consortium of mobsters led by bootlegger Owney Madden. The club
>>was segregated, only Whites were allowed in the audience while the
>>waiters and entertainers were all African-American, with the exception
>>of occasional guest star appearances. The show was a musical revue
>>which featured dancers, singers, comedians and variety acts, as well
>>as Ellington's band which supplied music for the floor show and
>>singers. The orchestra also played for the audience to dance.
>>
>>The Cotton Club changed my life.
>>
>In what way?
Les: did you cancel, revise, and re-send the above, or is Boron messing with
our heads?
--
Regards
Peter Boulding
p...@UNSPAMpboulding.co.uk (to e-mail, remove "UNSPAM")
Fractal music & images: http://www.pboulding.co.uk/
Boron Elgar
<p...@UNSPAMpboulding.co.uk> wrote:
>On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 07:23:43 -0400, Boron Elgar <boron...@hotmail.com>
>wrote in <9tutg1holdpracs75...@4ax.com>:
>
>>On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 15:11:31 -0700, Les Albert <lalb...@aol.com>
>>wrote:
>
>...
>
>>>I never heard that, but it's very likely. The Cotton Club was owned
>>>by a consortium of mobsters led by bootlegger Owney Madden. The club
>>>was segregated, only Whites were allowed in the audience while the
>>>waiters and entertainers were all African-American, with the exception
>>>of occasional guest star appearances. The show was a musical revue
>>>which featured dancers, singers, comedians and variety acts, as well
>>>as Ellington's band which supplied music for the floor show and
>>>singers. The orchestra also played for the audience to dance.
>>>
>>>The Cotton Club changed my life.
>>>
>
>>In what way?
>
>Les: did you cancel, revise, and re-send the above, or is Boron messing with
>our heads?
Odd...that showed up this morning as an unread message from the German
newsfeed. The date on the listing as it displayed in Agent showed a
post from 8-25. I did not look at the header date when I clicked to
reply, but I see that it was actually from the 21st.
Boron
Peter Boulding
wrote in <m92ug1lve9caf112g...@4ax.com>:
>>>>I never heard that, but it's very likely. The Cotton Club was owned
>>>>by a consortium of mobsters led by bootlegger Owney Madden. The club
>>>>was segregated, only Whites were allowed in the audience while the
>>>>waiters and entertainers were all African-American, with the exception
>>>>of occasional guest star appearances. The show was a musical revue
>>>>which featured dancers, singers, comedians and variety acts, as well
>>>>as Ellington's band which supplied music for the floor show and
>>>>singers. The orchestra also played for the audience to dance.
>>>>
>>>>The Cotton Club changed my life.
>>>>
>>
>>>In what way?
>>
>>Les: did you cancel, revise, and re-send the above, or is Boron messing with
>>our heads?
>
>
>Odd...that showed up this morning as an unread message from the German
>newsfeed. The date on the listing as it displayed in Agent showed a
>post from 8-25. I did not look at the header date when I clicked to
>reply, but I see that it was actually from the 21st.
Does your message list also include another version of Les's message that
reads as follows?
...
>I never heard that, but it's probably true. The Cotton Club was owned
>by a bunch of white mobsters and bootleggers, and the club was
>segregated; only whites were allowed in the audience while the waiters
>and entertainers were black. The show was a musical revue that featured
>dancers, singers, comedians, and variety acts. Ellington's band
>supplied the music for the singers and the floor show, and his band
>also played for the audience to dance.
>
>Les
(note the slight rephrasing, and the absence of the comment you queried)
Hank Gillette
John Hatpin <no...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
> I've spent some time Googling, but I can't find a web page that
> supports that hypothesis. Which is a shame, because I'm fairly sure
> I'd seen one a few years ago.
I've heard that he wrote "Miss Otis Regrets" on a bet or dare from Monty
Wolley. Considering the subject is betrayal, murder, and a lynching, it
seems possible.
--
Hank Gillette
In the South, they'll still tell you to go to hell, but they say it
differently. They say, "Well, bless your heart". -- Caroline Rhea
Boron Elgar
Yes...the German newsfeed plopped a whole bunch of posts from Les,
with dates from the 19th to the 22nd. I just downloaded them here at
work (shhh). The one above, to which I replied this morning, had a
date of the 21st on it. Either I misremembered from early this
morning, or the plot thickens.
Boron
John Hatpin
OK, I'll give it a try. A couple of trips round the block, then I'll
make up my mind.
Oh, and we also need a word for that feeling when you go upstairs for
something, get distracted, get a couple of other things, come
downstairs and then realise you'd not got the thing you went up for in
the first place. It's getting increasingly frequent as I age.
--
John Hatpin
Boron Elgar
It's been around for awhile: Oldtimer's Disease.
Boron
groo
> Groo? How difficult or troubling would it be to add a "pun of the
> week" to your Marys?
>
Difficult? Not at all. Troubling? Perhaps. I'm not sure I want to encourage
the lowest form of humor.
I'll cut you a deal: You and Muth quit responding to Shawn's drivel and
I'll put it in.
--
"Any significantly advanced scam is indistinguishable from religion." -
Vandy Terre
Les Albert
> >>>>In what way?
What happened is that the server I was using to post messages broke
down a few days ago, and I reverted to Google for sending messages.
Today the server is back in operation and it spit out some older
messages that it had, some that were already sent and a duplicate of
the original Cotton Club message that I sent (revised) through Google.
Les
Boron Elgar
>
>Boron Elgar wrote:
>> On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 13:42:08 +0100, Peter Boulding
>> Yes...the German newsfeed plopped a whole bunch of posts from Les,
>> with dates from the 19th to the 22nd. I just downloaded them here at
>> work (shhh). The one above, to which I replied this morning, had a
>> date of the 21st on it. Either I misremembered from early this
>> morning, or the plot thickens.
>>
>> Boron
>
>What happened is that the server I was using to post messages broke
>down a few days ago, and I reverted to Google for sending messages.
>Today the server is back in operation and it spit out some older
>messages that it had, some that were already sent and a duplicate of
>the original Cotton Club message that I sent (revised) through Google.
>
>Les
AHA!
Ok...move along now. Nothing to see here.
Boron
John Hatpin
>John Hatpin <no...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Groo? How difficult or troubling would it be to add a "pun of the
>> week" to your Marys?
>
>Difficult? Not at all. Troubling? Perhaps. I'm not sure I want to encourage
>the lowest form of humor.
>
>I'll cut you a deal: You and Muth quit responding to Shawn's drivel and
>I'll put it in.
I've no problems with that at all. Mike?
--
John Hatpin
E.I
"John Hatpin" <no...@nowhere.invalid> a écrit dans le message de news:
s2cug117gqsbvbm46...@4ax.com...
>
>
> Oh, and we also need a word for that feeling when you go upstairs for
> something, get distracted, get a couple of other things, come
> downstairs and then realise you'd not got the thing you went up for in
> the first place. It's getting increasingly frequent as I age.
Don't worry 'bout it, John.
A few of us oldtimers, the crumblies of this community,
are speeding away from you.
There were days, I worried about Alz... umm, Alzhu... umm
but all that is behind me now.
I stopped worrying.
> --
> John Hatpin
Greg Goss
>OK, I'll give it a try. A couple of trips round the block, then I'll
>make up my mind.
>
>Oh, and we also need a word for that feeling when you go upstairs for
>something, get distracted, get a couple of other things, come
>downstairs and then realise you'd not got the thing you went up for in
>the first place. It's getting increasingly frequent as I age.
Not a single word for it, but Wendy describes this to her friends as
"That's just Greg".
--
Tomorrow is today already.
Greg Goss, 1989-01-27
Opus the Penguin
> John Hatpin <no...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>
>> I've spent some time Googling, but I can't find a web page that
>> supports that hypothesis. Which is a shame, because I'm fairly
>> sure I'd seen one a few years ago.
>
> I've heard that he wrote "Miss Otis Regrets" on a bet or dare from
> Monty Wolley. Considering the subject is betrayal, murder, and a
> lynching, it seems possible.
>
That is one dull song. Even Ella doesn't make it interesting for me.
--
Opus the Penguin
The best darn penguin in all of Usenet
D.F. Manno
Opus the Penguin <opusthepen...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hank Gillette (hankgi...@yahoo.com) wrote:
>
> > I've heard that he wrote "Miss Otis Regrets" on a bet or dare from
> > Monty Wolley. Considering the subject is betrayal, murder, and a
> > lynching, it seems possible.
>
> That is one dull song. Even Ella doesn't make it interesting for me.
Never heard her version, but I love Bette Midler's.
John Hatpin
Funnily enough, I got the extreme version of that this afternoon. The
item I'd travelled up and down two long and steep staircases to get,
and forget to get was ... my reading-glasses.
--
John Hatpin
Hank Gillette
John Hatpin <no...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
> Didn't he write "Don't Fence Me In" after he'd complained about the
> current fashion for cheap cowboy tunes, and someone wagered he
> wouldn't be able to write a successful one himself? If so, Porter
> certainly won that bet. Source: a friend[1] once told me.
Don't know about that, but it is known that Porter bought a song named
"Don't Fence Me In" from an amateur songwriter and reworked it.