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Dennis Miller - Told you so!

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Andrew Gore

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Jul 3, 2005, 3:09:43 AM7/3/05
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Early this year I posted about how fans of Dennis Miller
better enjoy his CNBC cable program as long as they could, cause he
was coming in dead last in the ratings, after months on the air. I
was smugly told by fans of his here that he had a contract that ran
till late 2005, and surely the show will last until then.

Well, ... I hadn't seen the show for a while, and I thought I
might check it out this week and see how he's doing, get a shot of
that special DM view of current events. Checked the schedule for his
show for several nights, and couldn't find it. Googled, and sure nuff,
find that Dennis Miller has been cancelled. His show was always last
in the ratings, lower even than aging tennis player John McEnroe's
show, which was also cancelled. Don't get me wrong - I have been and
still am a fan of Miller, and I wish his show was more popular. But in
TV, you just can't beat the Great God of Ratings.

http://money.cnn.com/2005/05/12/news/newsmakers/cnbc_miller/

Kim

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Jul 3, 2005, 8:00:51 AM7/3/05
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I'd rather watch "Best Week Ever" on MTV, anyway. Much funnier than Dennis
Miller, but just as sarcastic and snide.

--
Kim

*My dog got recalled. I got a notice in the mail that said his breed
tend to roll over. (Bill Fluharty)*


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huey.c...@gmail.com

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Jul 3, 2005, 3:39:26 PM7/3/05
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Cindybear <cind...@phonehome.com> wrote:
> Andrew Gore <dic...@charter.net> wrote:
> > ...in TV, you just can't beat the Great God of Ratings.
> > http://money.cnn.com/2005/05/12/news/newsmakers/cnbc_miller/
> Dennis was much funnier when he was cynical about everyone and
> everything. At some point, he started sucking off Dubya, and he's gone
> downhill from there. Maybe Fox will pick up his show? ;-)

I like Miller a great deal as well. And I still consider myself a
Republican, although lately it seems like it's more in spite of the
party than because of it, cf Christine Todd Whitman's "It's My Party
Too", or Senator Danforth's outspoken criticism of the direction the
party has taken recently.

But, at some point in the last four years or so, 'flippant' and
'firmly in the Republican camp' became a really objectionable
combination. I'd find myself watching Miller's show until the third or
fourth time I became unable to restrain myself from shouting "Dude,
SHUT UP" at the TV, and then I'd turn it off. As those started to come
more and more quickly after turning the show on, I decided that it
made more sense to just not watch it at all.

And, as one of the seven remaining Republicans with a sense of humor,
I ~was~ Miller's target audience. When I stopped watching? He was doomed.

--
Huey

Dilbert Firestorm

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Jul 3, 2005, 3:39:26 PM7/3/05
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Andrew Gore wrote:

don't recall you ever making that predicshun on millers show!


Mark Steese

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Jul 4, 2005, 7:08:33 PM7/4/05
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Dilbert Firestorm <scanb_no_spam31@*no_spam*I-55*no_spam*.com> wrote in
news:da9eth$d0b$1...@news.datasync.com:

Google Groups reveals that Andrew posted about the low ratings for
Miller's show on October 6 2004, which I guess counts as early this year
if your year runs from October to September.

Reviewing the thread indicates that only one person (Arthur Kimes) said
anything to counter Andrew's belief that the show would soon be
canceled: "The show was renewed through the end of 2005. It may have
low ratings in an absolute sense but this is CNBC we're talking about.
The ratings are better than the shows that used to be in that
timeslot." Andrew may detect the smugness of multiple Dennis Miller fans
in that single post, but I don't see it, myself.
--
Mark Steese
===========
The first signs of the death of the boom came in the summer,
early, and everything went like snow in the sun.
Out of their office windows. There was miasma,
a weight beyond enduring, the city reeked of failure.

Mark Steese

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Jul 4, 2005, 7:26:17 PM7/4/05
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Andrew Gore <dic...@charter.net> wrote in
news:ccn1c1pfv6o3e2abm...@4ax.com:

> Well, ... I hadn't seen the show for a while, and I thought I
> might check it out this week and see how he's doing, get a shot of
> that special DM view of current events. Checked the schedule for his
> show for several nights, and couldn't find it. Googled, and sure nuff,
> find that Dennis Miller has been cancelled. His show was always last
> in the ratings, lower even than aging tennis player John McEnroe's
> show, which was also cancelled. Don't get me wrong - I have been and
> still am a fan of Miller, and I wish his show was more popular. But in
> TV, you just can't beat the Great God of Ratings.
>
> http://money.cnn.com/2005/05/12/news/newsmakers/cnbc_miller/

Doesn't sound like ratings were the show's only problem. Even you, an
avowed fan of Miller with pronounced right-wing tendencies, admit that you
"hadn't seen the show for a while." Why should CNBC keep the show on the
air if even people who like Miller and agree with his politics couldn't be
bothered to watch it regularly?

Andrew Gore

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Jul 7, 2005, 2:19:55 AM7/7/05
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On Mon, 04 Jul 2005 23:26:17 GMT, Mark Steese <mark_...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
->
->Doesn't sound like ratings were the show's only problem. Even you,
->an avowed fan of Miller with pronounced right-wing tendencies, admit
->that you "hadn't seen the show for a while." Why should CNBC keep
the show on the
->air if even people who like Miller and agree with his politics
->couldn't be
->bothered to watch it regularly?

As much of a fan as I am of Miller, I'm not heartbroken that
the show was cancelled. It just wasn't that good, which is why I
didn't watch it more often. I just wish it had been a better, more
popular show. And I hope Miller goes on to a better show of some
kind, something that works for him. I'm also a fan of Monday Night
Football, but having him co=host it was a strange, surreal idea that
definetly didn't work, and I'm glad he's off that too.

Admiral Stockdale, Perot's erstwhile running mate, died this
week at age 81. I recall how he was ridiculed because of his hesitant
performance at a televised debate - "Who am I? Why am I here?" - the
pundits were quite savage. It was Miller - and only Miller - that came
to his defense. On Stockdale, according to AP:
---------------------------------------------------------
During the Vietnam War, he was a Navy fighter pilot based on the USS
Oriskany and flew 201 missions before he was shot down on Sept. 9,
1965. He became the highest-ranking naval officer captured during the
war, the Navy said.
He endured more than 7 1/2 years as a prisoner, spending four of them
in solitary confinement, before his release in 1973. He was tortured
repeatedly, according to the Navy.
Stockdale received 26 combat decorations, including the Medal of
Honor, the nation’s highest medal for valor, in 1976... He retired
from the military in 1979.
----------------------------------------------------------------
At one point during his imprisonment, he was afraid the VC
would exploit his image for propaganda purposes, so he deliberately
disfigured his own face so they couldn't do that. Who out there has
the balls to do that? And who out in left-wing Hollywood would have
the balls to lash out at the media as Miller did? And I quote:
-----------------------------------------------
"Now I know (Stockdale's name has) become a buzzword in this culture
for doddering old man, but let's look at the record, folks. The guy
was the first guy in and the last guy out of Vietnam, a war that many
Americans, including our present President, did not want to dirty
their hands with.
The reason he had to turn his hearing aid on at that debate is because
those fucking animals knocked his eardrums out when he wouldn't spill
his guts. He teaches philosophy at Stanford University, he's a
brilliant, sensitive, courageous man. And yet he committed the one
unpardonable sin in our culture: he was bad on television.
"Somewhere out there Paddy Chayefsky must be laughing his ass off. .."

- Dennis Miler on the late Admiral Stockdale
----------------------------------------------------

'Nuff said. Miller, when he wants to, does it better than
anyone. But... he was bad on television.

Andrew Gore

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Jul 7, 2005, 2:25:17 AM7/7/05
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On Mon, 04 Jul 2005 23:08:33 GMT, Mark Steese <mark_...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

->>
->> don't recall you ever making that predicshun on millers show!
->
->Google Groups reveals that Andrew posted about the low ratings for
->Miller's show on October 6 2004, which I guess counts as early this
year
->if your year runs from October to September.

Oh, was it late last year? I had a vague memory that it was
January or so, but it had scrolled off my reader. No difference,
really. But, if it gives you a thrill to catch me in an error...
enjoy.
->
->Reviewing the thread indicates that only one person (Arthur Kimes)
said
->anything to counter Andrew's belief that the show would soon be
->canceled: "The show was renewed through the end of 2005. It may
have
->low ratings in an absolute sense but this is CNBC we're talking
about.
->The ratings are better than the shows that used to be in that
->timeslot." Andrew may detect the smugness of multiple Dennis Miller
fans
->in that single post, but I don't see it, myself.
Gee, thot it was more than that. Seem to remember Dana and Kim
and others snidely jumping in. Remember, not all posts are archived in
GG. And one person's opinion speaks for many here, I like to think.

Sanford Manley

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Jul 7, 2005, 5:39:21 AM7/7/05
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Andrew Gore said:

> "Now I know (Stockdale's name has) become a buzzword in this culture
> for doddering old man, but let's look at the record, folks. The guy
> was the first guy in and the last guy out of Vietnam, a war that many
> Americans, including our present President, did not want to dirty
> their hands with.
> The reason he had to turn his hearing aid on at that debate is because
> those fucking animals knocked his eardrums out when he wouldn't spill
> his guts. He teaches philosophy at Stanford University, he's a
> brilliant, sensitive, courageous man. And yet he committed the one
> unpardonable sin in our culture: he was bad on television.
> "Somewhere out there Paddy Chayefsky must be laughing his ass off. .."
>
> - Dennis Miler on the late Admiral Stockdale
> ----------------------------------------------------
>
> 'Nuff said. Miller, when he wants to, does it better than
> anyone. But... he was bad on television.


Thanks for this quote. I either don't remember, or
never heard it.

--
Sanford M. Manley
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see is a mosquito sucking on a
mummy. Forget it, little friend.
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Guillermo el Gato

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Jul 7, 2005, 7:23:20 AM7/7/05
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On Wed, 06 Jul 2005 23:19:55 -0700, Andrew Gore <dic...@charter.net>
wrote:


> As much of a fan as I am of Miller, I'm not heartbroken that
>the show was cancelled. It just wasn't that good, which is why I
>didn't watch it more often.

[snip]

I, too, was a huge fan of Miller's. But, after he got on the
warmonger bandwagon, I realized that he had long lost his bite. His
HBO show had more or less turned into Miller acts like Miller, instead
of the brilliant comedy of Black & White and Washington DC HBO
specials.

He needs to stop doing the cocaine.

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