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GrapeApe

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since a recent thread took a major detour through the land of cola and pop and
soda, I was wondering, is Shasta still in business in anyway?

Who makes all those store brands?

Michael Lorton

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grap...@aol.comjunk (GrapeApe) writes:

> since a recent thread took a major detour through the land of cola and pop and
> soda, I was wondering, is Shasta still in business in anyway?

I was offered a Shasta the other day. Can't swear it was fresh.

> Who makes all those store brands?

Wasn't me.

M.

mike

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"GrapeApe" <grap...@aol.comjunk> wrote in message
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> since a recent thread took a major detour through the land of cola and pop
and
> soda, I was wondering, is Shasta still in business in anyway?

yes. ive seen em around, in cans and in 3 liter (huge!) bottles.


>
> Who makes all those store brands?

shasta makes the vons and costco store brands, and probably most of the
others too. i know for a fact costco has their own formula... shasta just
makes and packages it.

Jason Quick

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GrapeApe <grap...@aol.comjunk> wrote in message
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> since a recent thread took a major detour through the land of cola and pop and
> soda, I was wondering, is Shasta still in business in anyway?

Sure was plenty of it around last week at the hospital. Still sold in grocery
stores around here, too (Omaha, NE).

> Who makes all those store brands?

Dunno.

Jason
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Jerry Bauer

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In article <20000810034141...@ng-md1.aol.com>,

GrapeApe <grap...@aol.comjunk> wrote:
>since a recent thread took a major detour through the land of cola and pop and
>soda, I was wondering, is Shasta still in business in anyway?
>
>Who makes all those store brands?


I was in Mt. Shasta City (nestled on the western side of the mountain
pictured on the cans) a couple of years ago. It's a Pepsi town, now.
I asked a waitress about Shasta drinks and she said she remembered
them, but hadn't seen them in a long time. She told me that the local
Pepsi rep is a big civic booster.

Anyway, I've seen Shasta cans in Cupertino, CA, within the past year.

Jerry "It hasta be Shasta" Bauer

ObOffTopic: In a public park in Mt. Shasta City the Sacramento River
springs out of the side of the mountain. It's the best water I've
ever tasted.


Paul Meyer

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GrapeApe wrote:

> since a recent thread took a major detour through the land of cola and pop and
> soda, I was wondering, is Shasta still in business in anyway?

I only have seen Shasta at hospitals and nursing homes. From 95-99 i was in those
places a lot and they always had 8 ounce cans of shasta ginger-ale. It was in
those small cans that budweiser uses for ponies. I drank one once and it was not
very good.

Ty

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grapeape wondered:

> is Shasta still in business in anyway?

I always see plenty of cars in the parking lot outside the Shasta soda factory
about 2 miles from my house (SF/Bay Area). Those people are doing *something*
in there.

KAREN LINGEL

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Aug 11, 2000, 3:00:00 AM8/11/00
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I have such a fondness for Shasta soda. Every year my Dad's company would
have a huge company picnic in another town, and there would be giant barrels
filled with ice and cans of Shasta soda and it was all FREE! This was back
in the olden days when soda was a real treat for us kids, so we would drink
as much soda as we possibly could. I drank 14 Shasta sodas one time.

Ah, Shasta cherry cola....

-k-


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All I remember about Shasta is that they had the big glass bottles
that were worth 20 cents, instead of 10 for the smaller Coke or Pepsi
ones...
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GrapeApe

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>It's "pop", not "soda."

Its coke.

Mike Ventrella

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Showing my age: The only thing I remember about Shasta is their animated
commercial which featured a Robert Crumb-ish character drinking a cola and
having a bubble come out of his ear...or am I hallucinating?

Joe Shimkus

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In article <04a064a5...@usw-ex0102-084.remarq.com>, PaigeTurner
<paigeturn...@execs.com.invalid> wrote:

> It's "pop", not "soda."
>

Sure, in the MidWest. Since I've been living in MA, I do occasionally
miss Faygo Rock&Rye and Vernor's.

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mike

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"Joe Shimkus" <j...@shimkus.com> wrote in message
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> In article <04a064a5...@usw-ex0102-084.remarq.com>, PaigeTurner
> <paigeturn...@execs.com.invalid> wrote:
>
> > It's "pop", not "soda."
> >
>
> Sure, in the MidWest. Since I've been living in MA, I do occasionally
> miss Faygo Rock&Rye and Vernor's.

and Nehi


>
> - Joe


Lalbert1

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In article <04a064a5...@usw-ex0102-084.remarq.com>, PaigeTurner
<paigeturn...@execs.com.invalid> writes:

>It's "pop", not "soda."
>
>
>

It's "pop" only in the "corned beef sandwich on white bread with mayonnaise"
belt.

Les
("...not that there's anything wrong with that")

StarChaser_Tyger

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>In article <04a064a5...@usw-ex0102-084.remarq.com>, PaigeTurner

><paigeturn...@execs.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>> It's "pop", not "soda."
>>
>

>Sure, in the MidWest. Since I've been living in MA, I do occasionally
>miss Faygo Rock&Rye and Vernor's.

Used to be able to find Vernors around here <Florida>, as well...some
really good ginger ale...

Jason Quick

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StarChaser_Tyger wrote:
> a - a scroll of news named Joe Shimkus <j...@shimkus.com> .
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>
>>>PaigeTurner wrote:
> >>
> >> It's "pop", not "soda."
> >
> >Sure, in the MidWest. Since I've been living in MA, I do occasionally
> >miss Faygo Rock&Rye and Vernor's.
>
> Used to be able to find Vernors around here <Florida>, as well...some
> really good ginger ale...

Try this on:

http://www.popthesodashop.com

Jason, who FINALLY found a source for Coke in 16-oz glass bottles...! Whee!

Joe Shimkus

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In article <KB4l5.39325$P4.2...@news1.rdc1.ne.home.com>, "Jason
Quick" <jsq...@home.com> wrote:

> http://www.popthesodashop.com

I think you got the wrong URL. This one returns a failure to locate
host. Try www.popsoda.com (for actual product) and www.sodashop.com
(for collectibles (and soda?)).

Still no Rock&Rye though. The quest begins. :-)

Joe Shimkus

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In article <joe-21BF4F.1...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, Joe Shimkus
<j...@shimkus.com> wrote:

> In article <KB4l5.39325$P4.2...@news1.rdc1.ne.home.com>, "Jason
> Quick" <jsq...@home.com> wrote:
>
> > http://www.popthesodashop.com
>
> I think you got the wrong URL. This one returns a failure to locate
> host. Try www.popsoda.com (for actual product) and www.sodashop.com
> (for collectibles (and soda?)).
>
> Still no Rock&Rye though. The quest begins. :-)
>

And we have a winner...www.hometowntreats.com. A pretty sparse set of
offerings but it includes Faygo Rock&Rye and Philly Cheesesteaks.

Briar Rose

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Lalbert1 <lalb...@aol.com> wrote:

><paigeturn...@execs.com.invalid> writes:
>>It's "pop", not "soda."
>It's "pop" only in the "corned beef sandwich on white bread
>with mayonnaise" belt.

I got to do a little translating this summer. I was in a
little shop inside a hotel (this was the Sheraton, it had
many little shops inside it) in Fiji, and a young teenage
girl walks in. She asks the proprietor "Do you know where
I can buy pop?" Both the proprietor and his assistant stand
there completely baffled, trying to figure out what "pop" is.

As soon as I realize what's going on, I say, "She wants to
know where to buy soda." "Oh!" says the proprietor, "that
shop there" and indicates the shop.

:) Connie-Lynne
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Lalbert1

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In article <8n5npl$1...@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, cly...@ugcs.caltech.edu (Briar
Rose) writes:

>Lalbert1 <lalb...@aol.com> wrote:
>><paigeturn...@execs.com.invalid> writes:
>>>It's "pop", not "soda."
>>It's "pop" only in the "corned beef sandwich on white bread
>>with mayonnaise" belt.
>
>I got to do a little translating this summer. I was in a
>little shop inside a hotel (this was the Sheraton, it had
>many little shops inside it) in Fiji, and a young teenage
>girl walks in. She asks the proprietor "Do you know where
>I can buy pop?" Both the proprietor and his assistant stand
>there completely baffled, trying to figure out what "pop" is.
>
>As soon as I realize what's going on, I say, "She wants to
>know where to buy soda." "Oh!" says the proprietor, "that
>shop there" and indicates the shop.
>
>

Makes sense. Suva, the capitol of Fiji, is a sister city of the Bronx. I have
never been there, but it is reported that the Fijians make an authentic
egg-cream soda.

Les


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>
>StarChaser_Tyger wrote:
>> a - a scroll of news named Joe Shimkus <j...@shimkus.com> .
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>>
>>>>PaigeTurner wrote:
>> >>

>> >> It's "pop", not "soda."
>> >

>> >Sure, in the MidWest. Since I've been living in MA, I do occasionally
>> >miss Faygo Rock&Rye and Vernor's.
>>
>> Used to be able to find Vernors around here <Florida>, as well...some
>> really good ginger ale...
>
>Try this on:
>
>http://www.popthesodashop.com
>
>Jason, who FINALLY found a source for Coke in 16-oz glass bottles...! Whee!

No dice...Check the URL? It looks like it'd be cool...I miss the glass
bottles too...

StarChaser_Tyger

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>In article <KB4l5.39325$P4.2...@news1.rdc1.ne.home.com>, "Jason

>Quick" <jsq...@home.com> wrote:
>
>> http://www.popthesodashop.com
>
>I think you got the wrong URL. This one returns a failure to locate
>host. Try www.popsoda.com (for actual product) and www.sodashop.com
>(for collectibles (and soda?)).

<happydance!> Vernors! Woohoo! I find it kind of hard to believe that
it costs more per six than GUINNESS, but still.

Oh no! ALE-8! Jeez...I may have to order one of each...COFFEE SODA!
<sigh> There goes the bank account...<grin>

Jim Ellwanger

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In article <5b6epssnp3lriu4kl...@4ax.com>,
StarChaser_Tyger <StarC...@mindless.com> wrote:

> a - a scroll of news named Joe Shimkus <j...@shimkus.com> .
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>

> >I think you got the wrong URL. This one returns a failure to locate
> >host. Try www.popsoda.com (for actual product) and www.sodashop.com
> >(for collectibles (and soda?)).
>
> <happydance!> Vernors! Woohoo! I find it kind of hard to believe that
> it costs more per six than GUINNESS, but still.

At my local Ralphs supermarket here in North Hollywood, California,
2-liter bottles of Vernors tend to run almost twice the price of 2-liter
bottles of, say, Canada Dry ginger ale (e.g., $1.89 vs. 99 cents), so it
doesn't surprise me too much that there's that much of a premium when
ordering on the Internet.

Have you tried asking your local supermarket manager about carrying it?
If supermarkets in California can carry it, I can't believe it wouldn't
be possible for supermarkets in Florida to have it, too. (Heck, I've
seen various Faygo flavors at supermarkets in Tampa, and that seems like
even more of a regional brand than Vernors.)

ObTheActualTitleOfThisThread: At the aforementioned Ralphs, the Vernors
is in the "minor brands of soda" section, which is right next to...the
Shasta section.

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Michael Lorton

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StarChaser_Tyger <StarC...@mindless.com> writes:

> Although is
> it really safe to drink Coke made with their water?

I doubt even the toughest of Third World bacteria could survive long
in Coca Cola.

M.

Jason Quick

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StarChaser_Tyger <StarC...@mindless.com> wrote:
...
I wrote:

> >Try this on:
> >
> >http://www.popthesodashop.com
> >
> >Jason, who FINALLY found a source for Coke in 16-oz glass bottles...! Whee!
>
> No dice...Check the URL? It looks like it'd be cool...I miss the glass
> bottles too...

As noted by others, I conflated the name of the store w/ the URL Oops.

Incidentally, I discovered the Coke in 16-oz glass at an Albertson's grocery
store in a section of town w/ lots of Latino folks. The soda is bottled in
Mexico - it's exactly the same as you remember, though. I am of the
understanding that Mexican grocery stores often carry the same type of thing.

Jason

StarChaser_Tyger

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>StarChaser_Tyger <StarC...@mindless.com> wrote:

Yeah, there was an 'ethnic' grocery store near where I used to live
that had various sorts of small glass bottle soda, like Coke and
Sprite...<Quotes because I can't remember the nationality> Seems like
the little places carry the odd things sometimes...<grin> Although is


it really safe to drink Coke made with their water?

dan

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On Sun, 13 Aug 2000 21:58:40 GMT, StarChaser_Tyger
<StarC...@mindless.com> wrote:

><happydance!> Vernors! Woohoo! I find it kind of hard to believe that
>it costs more per six than GUINNESS, but still.


Try it with a scoop of high quality vanilla ice cream.

Watch out for the foam over.


~Dan

Joe Shimkus

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In article <399976da...@news.shore.net>, ride...@spamshore.net
(dan) wrote:

> On Sun, 13 Aug 2000 21:58:40 GMT, StarChaser_Tyger
> <StarC...@mindless.com> wrote:
>
> ><happydance!> Vernors! Woohoo! I find it kind of hard to believe that
> >it costs more per six than GUINNESS, but still.
>
>
> Try it with a scoop of high quality vanilla ice cream.
>

Yes, an excellent treat. Referred to in my growing up as a "Boston
Cooler" though I defy you to find it in Boston.

GrapeApe

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>It's "pop" only in the "corned beef sandwich on white bread with mayonnaise"
>belt.

where is THAT belt exactly? I've heard 'pop' used where corn beef is on rye
with mustard.

Lalbert1

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In article <20000814231441...@ng-md1.aol.com>, grap...@aol.comjunk
(GrapeApe) writes:

It to the left of the borscht belt. The other boundaries keep shifting because
we are such a mobile society.

Les


Greg Goss

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StarChaser_Tyger <StarC...@mindless.com> wrote:

>No dice...Check the URL? It looks like it'd be cool...I miss the glass
>bottles too...

The glass bottles are still routine in central America. I came back
with a bunch of 10-oz bottles for friends. Sugar cane formula, too,
of course!

I don't think I've ever seen a 16-oz glass bottle. When I was young
it was 10 and 26 for pop, and 12-oz "stubbies" for beer.

Greg Goss

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grap...@aol.comjunk (GrapeApe) wrote:

Pop is used around here, where corn is the yellow stuff piled BESIDE
the beef at dinner.

Margaret Kane

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Lalbert1 wrote:

Or what Tony Soprano referred to as "Elvis land -- no Jews or Italians." This was a
reference to somewhere you did not want to eat.

Margaret


StarChaser_Tyger

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>On Sun, 13 Aug 2000 21:58:40 GMT, StarChaser_Tyger
><StarC...@mindless.com> wrote:
>
>><happydance!> Vernors! Woohoo! I find it kind of hard to believe that
>>it costs more per six than GUINNESS, but still.
>
>
>Try it with a scoop of high quality vanilla ice cream.
>

>Watch out for the foam over.

<grin> Yeah...I ordered a Black Cow <'Root beer float'> at a
restaraunt once, and the waitress carried it very carefully to the
table and set it down, not one bit of foam...until I picked up the
straw. Then it went off like Mt. St. Hires, all over the table...

StarChaser_Tyger

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>In article <5b6epssnp3lriu4kl...@4ax.com>,
>StarChaser_Tyger <StarC...@mindless.com> wrote:
>
>> a - a scroll of news named Joe Shimkus <j...@shimkus.com> .
>> Read it? y
>>
>> >I think you got the wrong URL. This one returns a failure to locate
>> >host. Try www.popsoda.com (for actual product) and www.sodashop.com
>> >(for collectibles (and soda?)).
>>

>> <happydance!> Vernors! Woohoo! I find it kind of hard to believe that
>> it costs more per six than GUINNESS, but still.
>

>At my local Ralphs supermarket here in North Hollywood, California,
>2-liter bottles of Vernors tend to run almost twice the price of 2-liter
>bottles of, say, Canada Dry ginger ale (e.g., $1.89 vs. 99 cents), so it
>doesn't surprise me too much that there's that much of a premium when
>ordering on the Internet.
>
>Have you tried asking your local supermarket manager about carrying it?
>If supermarkets in California can carry it, I can't believe it wouldn't
>be possible for supermarkets in Florida to have it, too. (Heck, I've
>seen various Faygo flavors at supermarkets in Tampa, and that seems like
>even more of a regional brand than Vernors.)

Yeah, I've seen Faygo before here...Thought as a kid it was just a
Michigan thing, because they had it when we were up there...The
rootbeer was ok, but I found the Redpop to be unutterably
nasty...tasted just like cough syrup...My brother loved it,
though...No, I hadn't considered asking them, but that's a good
idea...I'lll do that, and thanks...

>ObTheActualTitleOfThisThread: At the aforementioned Ralphs, the Vernors
>is in the "minor brands of soda" section, which is right next to...the
>Shasta section.

<grins> They actually have a section called 'minor brands of soda'?

deepstblu

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Greg Goss wrote:
>

> I don't think I've ever seen a 16-oz glass bottle. When I was young
> it was 10 and 26 for pop, and 12-oz "stubbies" for beer.

16-ounce returnables were widely used in Chicago at least through the
early '80s, and maybe still for all I know. Back here in New Jersey the
standards were closer to what you describe, at least after returnables
largely went away in the mid-'60s. Before that the little 6 1/2 and
7-ounce bottles were common for some brands.

Jason Quick

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Greg Goss <go...@mindlink.com> wrote in message
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> StarChaser_Tyger <StarC...@mindless.com> wrote:
>
> >No dice...Check the URL? It looks like it'd be cool...I miss the glass
> >bottles too...
>
> The glass bottles are still routine in central America. I came back
> with a bunch of 10-oz bottles for friends. Sugar cane formula, too,
> of course!
>
> I don't think I've ever seen a 16-oz glass bottle. When I was young
> it was 10 and 26 for pop, and 12-oz "stubbies" for beer.

Well, beer is still (as you likely know) widely available in glass bottles as
yet. Soda (Coke products in my area) is still widely available in 10-ounce
glass, but it's quite expensive (usually about $3 for a six-pack).

I remember Pepsi being available in eight-packs of 16-ounce glass bottles as
recently as 1997. I saw a huge display of them in Des Moines, IA. Since then,
I have yet to see *any* soda in eight-packs. The mexican Coke in 16-oz glass
was a godsend. Damned expensive though - $1.09 a bottle!

Incidentally, Vernors is still available in cans and 2-liter bottles around
here, I believe. Anyone wants some badly enough, I suppose I could pick some up
for you and get it shipped (you pay all costs, of course). Be best to wait till
it cools off a bit, though - no sense having the damned things explode en route.

Jason


GrapeApe

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>> >>It's "pop" only in the "corned beef sandwich on white bread with
mayonnaise"
>> >>belt.
>> >
>> >where is THAT belt exactly? I've heard 'pop' used where corn beef is
>on rye
>> >with mustard.
>>
>> It to the left of the borscht belt. The other boundaries keep shifting
>because
>> we are such a mobile society.
>>
>> Les
>
>Or what Tony Soprano referred to as "Elvis land -- no Jews or Italians."
>This was a
>reference to somewhere you did not want to eat.

It is certainly not called 'pop' in Elvis land, although they are prone to
serve corn beef with lettuce tomatoe and mayo on white just as they do with
every other sandwich.

I think the Pop reference was to a more northerly white bread hold out,
nebraska or somwhere in the wheat belt.


Patrick Friedel

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On Tue, 15 Aug 2000 20:22:43 GMT, StarChaser_Tyger
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><grin> Yeah...I ordered a Black Cow <'Root beer float'> at a
>restaraunt once, and the waitress carried it very carefully to the
>table and set it down, not one bit of foam...until I picked up the
>straw. Then it went off like Mt. St. Hires, all over the table...

Aah, another serious regionalism. I've had a black cow refer to:
(vanilla ice cream by default to my understanding)

1) Ice cream and root beer (Isn't that a root beer float? The only
difference I can tell is that a Black Cow usually has more ice
cream than your average 1-2 scoops in a root beer float.)
2) Ice cream and cola (Not too bad - cola float)
3) Ice cream blended with root beer (like a shake, nummy - my fave)
4) Ice cream blended with cola (I grew up with these known as brown
cows.)
5) Ice cream blended with either root beer or cola + chocolate syrup.
(_Interesting_ is the kindest way I can think of to describe this.
Goes well with a Gyro.)

#3 is what _I_ think of a black cow as. I've had all of them, and
the non-blended ones are OK as long as I can blend them myself.
(shrug)

Margaret Kane

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StarChaser_Tyger wrote:

> <snip>


> <grin> Yeah...I ordered a Black Cow <'Root beer float'> at a
> restaraunt once, and the waitress carried it very carefully to the
> table and set it down, not one bit of foam...until I picked up the
> straw. Then it went off like Mt. St. Hires, all over the table...

Ok, what is with this Brown Cow/phosphate nonsense, anyway? When I worked
at the aforementioned Carvel's (see Social Security thread) I would
occasionally get people coming in ordering this wacky stuff. I was like
"hey, old guy, it's not 1952! What the heck are you talking about?"

I thought that Black Cow was vanilla with chocolate syrup and seltzer. Now
you're telling me its ice cream and root beer?

Margaret "born in the 70s" Kane Schoen


StarChaser_Tyger

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Phosphate is a different thing...Apparently it's seltzer with flavor
and vanilla ice cream. The ones I saw at the one old-timey soda shop
were all fruit flavors, tho.

StarChaser "Born in 1968" Tyger.

StarChaser_Tyger

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Friedel) .
Read it? y

>On Tue, 15 Aug 2000 20:22:43 GMT, StarChaser_Tyger
><StarC...@mindless.com> wrote:

>><grin> Yeah...I ordered a Black Cow <'Root beer float'> at a
>>restaraunt once, and the waitress carried it very carefully to the
>>table and set it down, not one bit of foam...until I picked up the
>>straw. Then it went off like Mt. St. Hires, all over the table...
>

> Aah, another serious regionalism. I've had a black cow refer to:
>(vanilla ice cream by default to my understanding)
>

<snip definitions>

The only place I've ever seen a root beer float referred to as a
'black cow' was this one now-defunct-at-least-in-this-area restaraunt
chain, 'Wags'. Everywhere else called them 'root beer floats'.

Tom Zambetis

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Joe Shimkus wrote:
>
> In article <399976da...@news.shore.net>, ride...@spamshore.net
> (dan) wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 13 Aug 2000 21:58:40 GMT, StarChaser_Tyger
> > <StarC...@mindless.com> wrote:
> >
> > ><happydance!> Vernors! Woohoo! I find it kind of hard to believe that
> > >it costs more per six than GUINNESS, but still.
> >
> >
> > Try it with a scoop of high quality vanilla ice cream.
> >
>
> Yes, an excellent treat. Referred to in my growing up as a "Boston
> Cooler" though I defy you to find it in Boston.
>

Wow a Boston Cooler. Haven't heard that in a long time. The ultimate
was, IMHO, going to Sanders and getting a milkshake made with the
Vernors syrup. Are there any Sanders shops left in the Detroit area?

TAZ

Boron Elgar

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On Wed, 16 Aug 2000 11:51:45 -0400, Margaret Kane <mk...@zd.com>
wrote:

>
>StarChaser_Tyger wrote:
>
>> <snip>


>> <grin> Yeah...I ordered a Black Cow <'Root beer float'> at a
>> restaraunt once, and the waitress carried it very carefully to the
>> table and set it down, not one bit of foam...until I picked up the
>> straw. Then it went off like Mt. St. Hires, all over the table...
>

>Ok, what is with this Brown Cow/phosphate nonsense, anyway? When I worked
>at the aforementioned Carvel's (see Social Security thread) I would
>occasionally get people coming in ordering this wacky stuff. I was like
>"hey, old guy, it's not 1952! What the heck are you talking about?"
>
>I thought that Black Cow was vanilla with chocolate syrup and seltzer. Now
>you're telling me its ice cream and root beer?

Black cow is ice cream in the bottom of the glass & root beer poured
over. (The latter is called a Boston Cooler when made with Vernors
ginger ale.) Root beer float is a glass of root beer with a scoop
placed on top of the liquid. Serious differences here, folks.

Phosphates have no ice cream, but are made of flavoring (cherry &
chocolate come to mind,) milk & seltzer.

Anyone who walks into a Carvel & requests something "real" such as you
mention, is an out of towner, not necessarily a geezer. This has
nothing to do with such drinks being out of fashion, as I know of a
place or two within a 10 minute car ride where they can be obtained,
and took the kids for such pleasures not more than a couple of weeks
ago. But Carvel is low on the ice cream food chain, in my opinion. We
used to say, "You want ice cream, or ya just wanna go to Carvel?"
around our house..

I am not criticizing your choice of employment in HS...I worked at
Woolworth's myself, not exactly a Wall Street Intern, but please, you
should understand that you were not working at what we would call a
"soda fountain."

Boron


Boron Elgar

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On Wed, 16 Aug 2000 10:44:44 -0700, Tom Zambetis <zamb...@mmsi.com>
wrote:

>Wow a Boston Cooler. Haven't heard that in a long time. The ultimate
>was, IMHO, going to Sanders and getting a milkshake made with the
>Vernors syrup. Are there any Sanders shops left in the Detroit area?


I have not been in Detroit proper for many years. When I return to
Michigan for visits, I am out towards Ann Arbor, but I think you can
still get Saunders Hot Fudge at places like Krogers.

A Saunders cream puff hot fudge sundae is an ambrosial memory. Pecan
rolls, too. I used to walk downtown after school & get 'em. (Cass
Tech)

boron

Steve Klein

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Tom Zambetis <zamb...@mmsi.com> wrote:

> Are there any Sanders shops left in the Detroit area?

No, they went out of business before I moved here in 1991. But you can
buy a jar of Sander's hot fudge at any local supermarket. I don't know
if someone just bought the rights to the name, or what.

--
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Steve Klein

Randy Poe

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On Mon, 14 Aug 2000 03:36:44 GMT, StarChaser_Tyger
<StarC...@mindless.com> wrote:

>a - a scroll of news named "Jason Quick" <jsq...@home.com> .
>Read it? y
>


>>StarChaser_Tyger <StarC...@mindless.com> wrote:
>>...
>>I wrote:
>>
>>> >Try this on:
>>> >
>>> >http://www.popthesodashop.com
>>> >
>>> >Jason, who FINALLY found a source for Coke in 16-oz glass bottles...! Whee!
>>>

>>> No dice...Check the URL? It looks like it'd be cool...I miss the glass
>>> bottles too...
>>

>>As noted by others, I conflated the name of the store w/ the URL Oops.
>>
>>Incidentally, I discovered the Coke in 16-oz glass at an Albertson's grocery
>>store in a section of town w/ lots of Latino folks. The soda is bottled in
>>Mexico - it's exactly the same as you remember, though. I am of the
>>understanding that Mexican grocery stores often carry the same type of thing.

Hopping into this thread waayyy late due to vacation in Europe. The
kids got very fond of a couple of soda products in France and Spain:
Fanta, which I could have sworn I remember seeing on sale in the US
(we saw it in orange and lemon most places) and Kaz (lemon only).
Anyone have local USAn sightings of either?

Also, they claim the Coca-Cola tastes different in each of the
countries we visited. I always thought there was one and only one
Super Sekrit Coke Formula. Could they be right? I couldn't tell, they
all tasted equally bad to me and about the same as US coke.

Randy "More Pepsi please" Poe

Shawn Wilson

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"Randy Poe" <ran...@visionplace.com> wrote in message
news:39a9a1ff...@news.newsguy.com...

> Hopping into this thread waayyy late due to vacation in Europe. The
> kids got very fond of a couple of soda products in France and Spain:
> Fanta, which I could have sworn I remember seeing on sale in the US
> (we saw it in orange and lemon most places) and Kaz (lemon only).
> Anyone have local USAn sightings of either?

I've seen Fanta in the US (orange and grape), never seen Kaz.

> Also, they claim the Coca-Cola tastes different in each of the
> countries we visited. I always thought there was one and only one
> Super Sekrit Coke Formula. Could they be right?


Yes, The ingredients will be the same, but there'll be variations in quality
and quantity that can affect the taste. I know people argue over the whole
cane sugar v beet sugar thing.

I couldn't tell, they
> all tasted equally bad to me and about the same as US coke.


If God wanted man to drink Coke, he wouldn't have invented Dr Pepper.
<swig> ahhhh . . .


StarChaser_Tyger

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Quoth ran...@visionplace.com (Randy Poe) :

>Hopping into this thread waayyy late due to vacation in Europe. The
>kids got very fond of a couple of soda products in France and Spain:
>Fanta, which I could have sworn I remember seeing on sale in the US
>(we saw it in orange and lemon most places) and Kaz (lemon only).
>Anyone have local USAn sightings of either?

I have seen Fanta, but not really recently. I've seen the cards in the
buttons on a zhoda machine, but didn't want orange at the time. Never
seen lemon soda...<Straight lemon as opposed to lemon-lime, I mean>

>Also, they claim the Coca-Cola tastes different in each of the
>countries we visited. I always thought there was one and only one
>Super Sekrit Coke Formula. Could they be right? I couldn't tell, they
>all tasted equally bad to me and about the same as US coke.

Maybe different sweeteners, or slight modifications to other parts of
the recipes <for anally extracted example, something removed and
replaced to make it kosher?>...

rob...@bestweb.net

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On 2000-08-28 ran...@visionplace.com(RandyPoe) asked:

>Hopping into this thread waayyy late due to vacation in Europe. The
>kids got very fond of a couple of soda products in France and Spain:
>Fanta, which I could have sworn I remember seeing on sale in the US
>(we saw it in orange and lemon most places) and Kaz (lemon only).
>Anyone have local USAn sightings of either?

Self service drink fountain has Fanta ginger ale at Fresh Tacos/Chinese
Buffet on Lydig Ave. in the Bronx.

>Also, they claim the Coca-Cola tastes different in each of the
>countries we visited. I always thought there was one and only one
>Super Sekrit Coke Formula. Could they be right? I couldn't tell,
>they all tasted equally bad to me and about the same as US coke.
>Randy "More Pepsi please" Poe

Malted battery acid? [Berke Breathed. Bob exhaled.]

Robert
Net-Tamer V 1.11 - Registered

GrapeApe

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>
>I've seen Fanta in the US (orange and grape), never seen Kaz.
>

In the US, I would think Orange and Grape would be Minute Maid brand, if from
Coke. I buy that some may be seeing Fanta Ginger Ale (unless the local bottler
has a distribution deal with another brand)

Maybe the Fanta is coming in from Canada.

The father of my children

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StarChaser_Tyger StarC...@mindless.com writes:

>Quoth ran...@visionplace.com (Randy Poe) :
>>Hopping into this thread waayyy late due to vacation in Europe. The
>>kids got very fond of a couple of soda products in France and Spain:
>>Fanta, which I could have sworn I remember seeing on sale in the US
>>(we saw it in orange and lemon most places) and Kaz (lemon only).
>>Anyone have local USAn sightings of either?
>
>I have seen Fanta, but not really recently.

Yeah, uh...it used to be the Coke brand for orange soda, and root beer, at
McDonalds and other fountain outlets.

http://www.btimes.co.za/97/0928/btmoney/fanta.htm

This says Fanta is the worlds most popular brand of orange soda, and the third
biggest name in soda internationally. Also, apparently it has more name
recognition than, uh...Levis, was it?

So it's strange we don't see it in the US anymore so much.

I've seen the cards in the
>buttons on a zhoda machine, but didn't want orange at the time. Never
>seen lemon soda...<Straight lemon as opposed to lemon-lime, I mean>

Yeah, isn't that weird, too? Apparently whoever thinks there's no market for
carbonated lemonade in the US, although it's easily obtainable in yurrp. Also,
theres a thing that's not really orange soda, orangina I dunno. Pretty tasty,
though.

>
>>Also, they claim the Coca-Cola tastes different in each of the
>>countries we visited. I always thought there was one and only one
>>Super Sekrit Coke Formula. Could they be right? I couldn't tell, they
>>all tasted equally bad to me and about the same as US coke.
>
>Maybe different sweeteners, or slight modifications to other parts of
>the recipes <for anally extracted example, something removed and
>replaced to make it kosher?>...

Mmm. Coke is probably kosher as it sits, I see cans of Pepsi with little K's
on them, which indicates, I think, that the manufacturer thinks its kosher,
although he hasn't had the official Jewish union approval.

However, there's a further standard of Kosher for passover, which has, I
dunno, real cane sugar instead of corn syrup, which ostensibly tastes
different. You can find cans of this as passover approaches. The water might be
a little different, too, and of course fountain coke can vary widely in taste
depending on how rich the mix is.

"I hope you're not letting yourself be influenced by the guns these pocket
edition desperados are waving around, because I've practiced taking guns from
these boys before so we'll have no trouble there." Bogart as Sam Spade, The
Maltese Falcon (1941)


Sean Houtman

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From: ran...@visionplace.com (Randy Poe)

>Also, they claim the Coca-Cola tastes different in each of the
>countries we visited. I always thought there was one and only one
>Super Sekrit Coke Formula. Could they be right? I couldn't tell, they
>all tasted equally bad to me and about the same as US coke.

The actual final flavor of the product may depend somewhat on the sweetener
used. Cane sugar tastes somewhat different from corn syrup, which may taste
different than sorghum, etc.

Sean


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ra...@westnet.poe.com

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Randy Poe <ran...@visionplace.com> wrote:
> Hopping into this thread waayyy late due to vacation in Europe. The
> kids got very fond of a couple of soda products in France and Spain:
> Fanta, which I could have sworn I remember seeing on sale in the US
> (we saw it in orange and lemon most places) and Kaz (lemon only).
> Anyone have local USAn sightings of either?

Remeber Fanta, never heard of Kaz.

> Also, they claim the Coca-Cola tastes different in each of the
> countries we visited. I always thought there was one and only one
> Super Sekrit Coke Formula. Could they be right? I couldn't tell, they
> all tasted equally bad to me and about the same as US coke.

The disserence is between sugar and corn syrup. In the US, price fixing
keeps the price of sugar too high to add to soda, outside of the US, sugar
is a more reasonable price and so is used.


John - Sugar - The Real Stuff
Ahh, Jolt Cola.
--
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Ask me about joining the NRA.

deepstblu

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GrapeApe wrote:
>
> >
> >I've seen Fanta in the US (orange and grape), never seen Kaz.
> >
>
> In the US, I would think Orange and Grape would be Minute Maid brand, if from
> Coke. I buy that some may be seeing Fanta Ginger Ale (unless the local bottler
> has a distribution deal with another brand)

I've seen Fanta orange in the past, but not since the coming of Minute
Maid orange. Our cafeteria at work has a Fanta root beer slot on the
soda pumper translucently relabeled as "Fountain" root beer.
Perhaps significantly, the USPTO shows the registrant for the Fanta
trademark as "The Coca-Cola Export Corporation," although the parent
company is shown as last listed owner.

Rick B.

W. R. "Gig" Giacona

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"Randy Poe" <ran...@visionplace.com> wrote in message
news:39a9a1ff...@news.newsguy.com...
> Also, they claim the Coca-Cola tastes different in each of the
> countries we visited. I always thought there was one and only one
> Super Sekrit Coke Formula. Could they be right? I couldn't tell, they
> all tasted equally bad to me and about the same as US coke.
>
> Randy "More Pepsi please" Poe
>

The difference is the local water used.

David Zeiger

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On 28 Aug 2000 13:48:03 GMT, ra...@westnet.poe.com <ra...@westnet.poe.com>
wrote:

>John - Sugar - The Real Stuff
>Ahh, Jolt Cola.

Yeah, that's what I used to buy Jolt for as well (the caffeine
doesn't really matter to me either way), but here's the list
on a current bottle I have

Carbonated water, sugar and/or high fructose corn syrup,
caramel color, phosphoric acid, caffeine, citric acid and
natural flavor.

So even Jolt has gone the corn syrup route, it seems.

--
David Zeiger dze...@the-institute.net
Whenever I find myself in a difficult situation, I ask myself "What
Would Jesus Do?" The mental image of my opposition being cast into
pits of hellfire for all eternity *is* comforting, but probably not
what the inventors of the phrase had in mind.

JmG

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ra...@westnet.poe.com wrote:

>Ahh, Jolt Cola.

Doesn't this prove that people buy caffeinated beverages for the rush?

J (ahhh, the 97 Jolt was sublime, with just a hint of SPEED)

Tamex

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On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 04:41:32 GMT, StarChaser_Tyger
<StarC...@mindless.com> wrote:

>I have seen Fanta, but not really recently. I've seen the cards in the
>buttons on a zhoda machine, but didn't want orange at the time. Never
>seen lemon soda...<Straight lemon as opposed to lemon-lime, I mean>

I've never seen lemon Fanta, but I have seen Sunkist Sparkling
Lemonade (never in a fountain, though--only in cans or two-liter
bottles). Good stuff.

--
Tamex

"When I think back to all the crap I learned in high school,
it's a wonder I can think at all."

**remove Tricky Dick to reply by e-mail**

Jason Quick

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Randy Poe <ran...@visionplace.com> wrote:

> Hopping into this thread waayyy late due to vacation in Europe. The
> kids got very fond of a couple of soda products in France and Spain:
> Fanta, which I could have sworn I remember seeing on sale in the US
> (we saw it in orange and lemon most places) and Kaz (lemon only).
> Anyone have local USAn sightings of either?

Yeah, the Albertson's store I mentioned previously also has orange Fanta and
Sprite in 16-ounce glass bottles. Beautiful thing, that.

Jason

StarChaser_Tyger

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Quoth ta...@RICHARDNIXONfrontiernet.net (Tamex) :

>On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 04:41:32 GMT, StarChaser_Tyger
><StarC...@mindless.com> wrote:
>
>>I have seen Fanta, but not really recently. I've seen the cards in the
>>buttons on a zhoda machine, but didn't want orange at the time. Never
>>seen lemon soda...<Straight lemon as opposed to lemon-lime, I mean>
>
>I've never seen lemon Fanta, but I have seen Sunkist Sparkling
>Lemonade (never in a fountain, though--only in cans or two-liter
>bottles). Good stuff.

"It's Country Time lemonade! It's never been near a lemon!"
<grin> Never seen 'sparkling lemonade', but lemon isn't my thing
either...

At Epcot in Disney, the Coke setup <aside from having a heavily
refrigerated tunnel with shaved ice/snow in it, that was REALLY well
recieved after the 95 degrees outside> had sodas from around the
world, and one of them was watermelon...Was pretty good, too...

Glenn Rice

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Tamex wrote:
>
> I've never seen lemon Fanta, but I have seen Sunkist Sparkling
> Lemonade (never in a fountain, though--only in cans or two-liter
> bottles). Good stuff.


yabbut do you remember when Mountain Dew was marketed with a "hillbilly" theme?
http://www.mountaindewbottles.com/MDADSAY.HTM

Mike Muth

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On 29-Aug-2000, StarChaser_Tyger <StarC...@mindless.com> wrote:

> Quoth ta...@RICHARDNIXONfrontiernet.net (Tamex) :
> >On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 04:41:32 GMT, StarChaser_Tyger
> ><StarC...@mindless.com> wrote:

> >>I have seen Fanta, but not really recently. I've seen the cards in the
> >>buttons on a zhoda machine, but didn't want orange at the time. Never
> >>seen lemon soda...<Straight lemon as opposed to lemon-lime, I mean>

> >I've never seen lemon Fanta, but I have seen Sunkist Sparkling
> >Lemonade (never in a fountain, though--only in cans or two-liter
> >bottles). Good stuff.

> "It's Country Time lemonade! It's never been near a lemon!"
> <grin> Never seen 'sparkling lemonade', but lemon isn't my thing
> either...

Sparkling lemonade is readily available in Italy. It tastes
like...well...carbonated lemonade - but usually good lemonade. Goes pretty
good with a helping of Italian Sherbets.

The Fanta one gets in Germany bears no resemblance to the Fanta products
marketed in the US. I only saw one flavor on the shelf or on tap. Kind of a
lemon-lime-orange concoction.

German restaurants frequently serve Coca Cola with a slice of lemon (and no
ice). That didn't help the flavor for me. (The no ice thing had no impact as
I am used to drinking room temperature soft drinks.)

Mike

rob...@bestweb.net

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On 2000-08-29 extg...@showme.missouri.edu said:

>yabbut do you remember when Mountain Dew was marketed with a
>"hillbilly" theme? http://www.mountaindewbottles.com/MDADSAY.HTM

"Yahoo -- Mountain Dew! [gunshot]"?
Like somehow with a name like that a hillbilly theme is unexpected?
I suppose Canada Dry would surprise you if they used a Canadian theme.

Ed Blackman

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Aug 29, 2000, 9:46:50 PM8/29/00
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rob...@bestweb.net <rob...@bestweb.net> wrote:
>On 2000-08-29 extg...@showme.missouri.edu said:
>
> >yabbut do you remember when Mountain Dew was marketed with a
> >"hillbilly" theme? http://www.mountaindewbottles.com/MDADSAY.HTM
>
>"Yahoo -- Mountain Dew! [gunshot]"?
>Like somehow with a name like that a hillbilly theme is unexpected?

Given that their ad campaigns for the last several years have stayed
as far away from a hillbilly theme as possible, yes.

Ed

StarChaser_Tyger

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Aug 30, 2000, 12:32:37 AM8/30/00
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Quoth edgewo...@pobox.com (Ed Blackman) :

It seems to have become, or at least they're desperately trying to
portray it as, a 'cool' drink. Like the wide opening on the can for
'enhanced chuggability'. <I didn't notice they'd done that until AFTER
I spilled the first drink down my shirt...My roommates laughed at me,
then did the same thing, and got laughed at...>

But you can often find the hillbilly stuff on Ebay...

Tamex

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On Sun, 03 Sep 2000 15:35:03 GMT, Treadw...@IAVOIDSPAMbigfoot.com
(Jay Pennington) wrote:


>I've had trouble finding Hires, my fave root beer. It's a Coke-owned
>product, and so is the newer root beer, Mug. Is Mug just a renamed
>Hires?

I didn't know that Mug was owned by Coke. In fact, I always sort of
assumed it was owned by Pepsi because I always see it in fountains
with Pepsi products. Barq's seems to be the root beer that Coke is
pushing these days. I'm not too fond of Barq's because it is
caffeinated and it tastes funny. I haven't seen Hires for a long
time.

StarChaser_Tyger

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Quoth Treadw...@IAVOIDSPAMbigfoot.com (Jay Pennington) :

>
>>>>> >http://www.popthesodashop.com
>
>Was a corrected URL ever posted for this? Came in late.

http://www.popsoda.com/

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