Correct Pronunciation Of Attila?
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Max C. Webster III
>Does anyone know what it is?
Main Entry: At暗i損a
Pronunciation: 'a-t&l-&, &-'ti-l&
Function: biographical name
406?-453 the Scourge of God king of the Huns; one of the greatest barbarian
rulers who attacked the Roman Empire; invaded Gaul (451); invaded northern
Italy (452) but yielded to Pope Leo I
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If you meet him, I'd recommend "sir".
Mark Hanson
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> Does anyone know what it is?
A-TIL-a.
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>Does anyone know what it is?
Main Entry: 1it
Pronunciation: 'it, &t
Function: pronoun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English hit -- more at HE
Date: before 12th century
1 : that one -- used as subject or direct object or indirect object of a
verb or object of a preposition usually in reference to a lifeless thing
<took a quick look at the house and noticed it was very old>, a plant
<there is a rosebush near the fence and it is now blooming>, a person or
animal whose sex is unknown or disregarded <don't know who it is>, a
group of individuals or things, or an abstract entity <beauty is
everywhere and it is a source of joy> -- compare HE, ITS, SHE, THEY
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N Jill Marsh
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>Does anyone know what it is?
The only Attilas I have met have pronounced it exactly as it's
commonly heard (a-TIL-la). They were both Canadian born with English
as a cradle tongue, though, so that may not be how it's said in the
Old Country, whichever that was.
nj"also knows Igors"m
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heard most others saying a TILL uh.
Mark Hanson
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> > A-TIL-a.
>
> Bless You!
Oh, thank you! I don't know where I picked this up...
Mark
Nick Spalding
> I've heard officially AT il luh, but I grew up reading saying, and I think
> heard most others saying a TILL uh.
The double t indicates that the stress should be on the first syllable
but it is almost universally pronounced with the stress on the second,
as if it were spelt atilla.
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Kevin
wrote:
>Does anyone know what it is?
The one person I know with the name is Polish; he says it "A-teel-ah",
not "A-til-ah."
Kevin
Bob Ward
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>-:Does anyone know what it is?
Main Entry: At·ti·la
Pronunciation: 'a-t&l-&, &-'ti-l&
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N Jill Marsh
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>>nj"also knows Igors"m
>
>Better yet, I once saw that the head of a university's bioengineering program
>was named "Igor". I guess after all those years slaving away for Dr.
>Frankenstein, he finally got his degree and made tenure.
The first Igor I ever met was a Romanian immigrant who worked as the
Pathologist's Assistant in the morgue of a large teaching hospital.
He limped.
The next one was the most adorable and angelic child, a playmate of
the Best Beloved's when they were toddlers.
nj"all true"m
Mark Brader
> Main Entry: 1it
> Pronunciation: 'it, &t
They're saying the word! Stop them, they're saying that word!
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Kevin Wald
> On 26 Oct 2002 03:46:44 GMT, fullmet...@aol.com
> (Semi-Detached)wrote:
>
> >Does anyone know what it is?
>
> The only Attilas I have met have pronounced it exactly as it's
> commonly heard (a-TIL-la). They were both Canadian born with English
> as a cradle tongue, though, so that may not be how it's said in the
> Old Country, whichever that was.
The name "Attila" is apparently Gothic originally, the diminutive of
_atta_, "father". It seems the Goths among his forces called him "Daddy",
and the nickname stuck. (He could have fared worse; consider the
Roman emperor Gaius Claudius Caesar Germanicus, known to us by a
Latin word meaning "Bootsies".)
Gothic, like any self-respecting Germanic language, seems to have
generally accented nouns on the first syllable, so _Attila_ would have
been pronounced something like AHT-tih-la (with the doubled t being
held long, like an Italian doubled t). At least, the Goths would have
said it that way -- who knows what a Hun would have said?
Of course, we are not required to pronounce Attila's name the way
it would have been pronounced back then, any more than we are
required to pronounce "Cicero" as KICK-eh-ro. Webster's 10th
Collegiate and the American Heritage 4th Edition each list two
pronunciations (roughly, AT-'ll-uh and uh-TIL-uh) without preference.
Kevin Wald wald@math,uchicago.edu | "Catalog of ships -- I'll remember that."
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N Jill Marsh
>The name "Attila" is apparently Gothic originally, the diminutive of
>_atta_, "father". It seems the Goths among his forces called him "Daddy",
>and the nickname stuck. (He could have fared worse; consider the
>Roman emperor Gaius Claudius Caesar Germanicus, known to us by a
>Latin word meaning "Bootsies".)
Cool. Which one of the above is "Bootsies", and why'd he get called
that, cute feet, efficient ass-kicking?
> At least, the Goths would have
> said it that way -- who knows what a Hun would have said?
"AAARGH!"
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Joe Shimkus
N Jill Marsh <njm...@storm.ca> wrote:
> On 27 Oct 2002 00:17:29 -0700, wa...@math.uconn.edu (Kevin Wald)wrote:
>
> >The name "Attila" is apparently Gothic originally, the diminutive of
> >_atta_, "father". It seems the Goths among his forces called him "Daddy",
> >and the nickname stuck. (He could have fared worse; consider the
> >Roman emperor Gaius Claudius Caesar Germanicus, known to us by a
> >Latin word meaning "Bootsies".)
>
> Cool. Which one of the above is "Bootsies", and why'd he get called
> that, cute feet, efficient ass-kicking?
>
Which one of the above? "Gaius Claudius (Nero) Caesar Germanicus" was
his name. He was known to the family, masses and us as Caligula. He
was called Caligula 'cause as a child he travelled with Daddy's army and
so wore little army boots.
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John Dean
> In article <mavnruchlf6ilkj4c...@4ax.com>,
> N Jill Marsh <njm...@storm.ca> wrote:
>
>> On 27 Oct 2002 00:17:29 -0700, wa...@math.uconn.edu (Kevin Wald)wrote:
>>
>>> The name "Attila" is apparently Gothic originally, the diminutive of
>>> _atta_, "father". It seems the Goths among his forces called him
>>> "Daddy", and the nickname stuck. (He could have fared worse;
>>> consider the Roman emperor Gaius Claudius Caesar Germanicus, known
>>> to us by a Latin word meaning "Bootsies".)
>>
>> Cool. Which one of the above is "Bootsies", and why'd he get called
>> that, cute feet, efficient ass-kicking?
>>
>
> Which one of the above? "Gaius Claudius (Nero) Caesar Germanicus" was
> his name. He was known to the family, masses and us as Caligula. He
> was called Caligula 'cause as a child he travelled with Daddy's army
> and so wore little army boots.
As opposed to Elvis's deathless tone poem in GI Blues :-
They call your Daddy Big Boots
'Cos Big Boots is his name
BTW, am I the only one who still creeps out at the recollection of John
'Caligula' Hurt, after his gynaecological experiment with his sister,
telling Derek 'CLAVDIVS' Jacobi 'You don't want to go in there'?
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Joe Shimkus
"John Dean" <john...@frag.lineone.net> wrote:
> BTW, am I the only one who still creeps out at the recollection of John
> 'Caligula' Hurt, after his gynaecological experiment with his sister,
> telling Derek 'CLAVDIVS' Jacobi 'You don't want to go in there'?
>
It is pretty creepy. And then, of course, Claudius has to look...I
wonder what he saw? Oh sure, a cut up Drusilla but was there any part
of the baby left?
> --
> John 'Though the Saint was spot on when he said 'I wouldn't take Britain if
> I were you. There's nothing of value there and the people make terrible
> slaves' ' Dean
The "Saint"? Let's see...according to IMDb.com, Drusus said that and
Drusus was played by Ian Olgivy who played Simon Templar. Ok, it makes
sense.
John Lawler
>Does anyone know what it is?
Correct in what language? It's not an English word.
Moreover, it's a proper name, and the rule with proper names is that the
person whose name it is gets to say how it's pronounced. So you have to
say *which* Attila you mean; it's not an uncommon name in Eastern Europe,
and of course there was Attila the Scourge, who is going to be hard to ask
about pronunciation. Probably wasn't all that easy when he was alive, for
that matter.
This is what you get for not using a dictionary.
The dictionary won't answer these questions, but it'll certainly
tell you how you can get away with pronouncing it.
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> Gothic, like any self-respecting Germanic language, seems to have
> generally accented nouns on the first syllable, so _Attila_ would have
> been pronounced something like AHT-tih-la (with the doubled t being
> held long, like an Italian doubled t).
I know neither the Gothic nor Italian doubled t, but how can a t be
held long? It seems to me that the essence of 't'ness is an explosive
rupture of tongue-tooth contact. Do they machine gun it?
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>wa...@math.uconn.edu (Kevin Wald) writes:
>> Gothic, like any self-respecting Germanic language, seems to have
>> generally accented nouns on the first syllable, so _Attila_ would have
>> been pronounced something like AHT-tih-la (with the doubled t being
>> held long, like an Italian doubled t).
>I know neither the Gothic nor Italian doubled t, but how can a t be
>held long? It seems to me that the essence of 't'ness is an explosive
>rupture of tongue-tooth contact. Do they machine gun it?
No, that'd be a trill. A "geminate" (doubled) /t/ or any other consonant,
is simply held longer before the release, as suggested above. English
doesn't have any words with geminates, but they do arise morphologically
sometimes. Try pronouncing "bookcase" as opposed to "ukase", or "unneeded
reform" as opposed to "a needed reform" to hear (respectively) a geminate
/kk/ and a geminate /nn/.
Italian has pretty common geminates, usually derived from heterorganic
clusters (geminates, being identical, are homorganic clusters). So Latin
facto 'made' --> Italian fatto, with a geminate /tt/, which contrasts with
fato 'fate', with a single /t/. You can generally trust Italian spelling
to really mean it when they double a letter, and the same is usually true
in any ancient spelling (because why should they double it otherwise?).
Finnish has geminates, too, and they also represent long vowels by
doubling them, so it's a very consistent representation.
Remember, you asked.
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chris greville
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> Italian has pretty common geminates, usually derived from heterorganic
> clusters (geminates, being identical, are homorganic clusters). So Latin
> facto 'made' --> Italian fatto, with a geminate /tt/, which contrasts with
> fato 'fate', with a single /t/. You can generally trust Italian spelling
> to really mean it when they double a letter, and the same is usually true
> in any ancient spelling (because why should they double it otherwise?).
> Finnish has geminates, too, and they also represent long vowels by
> doubling them, so it's a very consistent representation.
Would that apply to Swedish and Danish as well?
> Remember, you asked.
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Larry Palletti AFCA, May3rd, 2002
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alt.fan.cecil-adams back on 26 Oct 2002 03:46:44 GMT that ...
>Does anyone know what it is?
My house painter insists on AHT-iluh. He can, after all it's his name
and he's the one doing the painting.
Bill