November 13, 1942
mike muth
the US Marinces from Guadalcanal and Tulagi. As part of this effort, 2
Japanese battleships, a light cruiser and 11 destroyers sailed down
the slow to bombard Henderson Field.
Us aircraft spotted the Japanese force and Admiral Turner sent a task
force consisting of two heavy cruisers, two antiaircraft cruisers, a
light cruiser, and eight destroyers under Admirals Scott and
Callaghan. Early in the morning of November 13, the two forces met in
a confused brawl which lacked any semblence of order.
The Japanese battleships, surprised by the Americans, had bombardment
ammunition (HE instead of AP for anti-ship work) stacked on deck. They
were able to jettison this dangerous load before the Americans opened
fire on them. The Americans, confused and distracted by a Japanese
signal in US code to "Cease Firing Own Ships" missed their big chance.
In the slugfest which followed, The American force was hammered.
Admirals Scott and Callaghan both were killed, Three Japanese and
three American ships remained in the vicinity. All six were crippled.
USS Portland sank a Japanese destroyer and aircraft from USS
Enterprise sank the Japanese battleship Hiei. In the battle, the US
forces lost an anti-aircraft cruiser (CLAA USS Atlanta) and four
destroyers. The Japanese lost In addition, USS Juneau (also a CLAA)
was sunk by a Japanese submarine while returning to port. The brothers
Sullivan were aboard the ship. The Japanese lost a battleship and two
destroyers. Only two ships of the 13 ship American task force were
capable of further fighting.
The battle was a strategic victory for the US. The Japanese attempt to
shell the Marines on Guadalcanal was turned away. The Japanese would
shell Guadalcanal with four cruisers during the next night, but lost
two of them to aircraft while returning to base. In the second phase
of the fight (2 days later), the Japanese would lose the other
battleship (Kirishima) to the USS Washington and the USS South Dakota.
The US was on Guadalcanal to stay and the Japanese would withdraw
their troops in February.
hpjeannie
Looks like there was a movie made the very next year about it, called
"Guadalcanal Diary." Anyone seen it?
Jeannie
Chris
news:db027c47-974b-40d9...@a31g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
> Thanks, Mike.
>
> Looks like there was a movie made the very next year about it, called
> "Guadalcanal Diary." Anyone seen it?
>
By coincidence, some footage was shown today from Diary in a documentary
called "Secrets of WW2" on our Freeview channels.
Snidely
> On November 13, 1942, the Japanese launched a major effort to dislodge
> the US Marinces from Guadalcanal and Tulagi. As part of this effort, 2
> Japanese battleships, a light cruiser and 11 destroyers sailed down
> the slow to bombard Henderson Field.
Is this an alternate spelling for "slough", or a truncation of a
longer phrase?
> forces lost an anti-aircraft cruiser (CLAA USS Atlanta) and four
> destroyers. The Japanese lost In addition, USS Juneau (also a CLAA)
The editor seems to have lost something here, too.
Something in the group last year prompted me to read more on the
Pacific Theater events; I mainly followed links through and from
WickedFoot, but even that condensed coverage was full of amazing tales
full of courage, tenacity, and twists of fate.
/dps
Boron Elgar
You bet.
Mac
> On Nov 13, 11:56 am, mike muth <mike.m...@unverbesserlich.org> wrote:
>
> > On November 13, 1942, the Japanese launched a major effort to dislodge
> > the US Marinces from Guadalcanal and Tulagi. As part of this effort, 2
> > Japanese battleships, a light cruiser and 11 destroyers sailed down
> > the slow to bombard Henderson Field.
>
> Is this an alternate spelling for "slough", or a truncation of a
> longer phrase?
misslepping of "slot", I'd wager.
John Dean
Twice
--
John "In the market for a third" Dean
Oxford
Opus the Penguin
> On November 13, 1942, the Japanese launched a major effort to
> dislodge the US Marinces from Guadalcanal and Tulagi. As part of
> this effort, 2 Japanese battleships, a light cruiser and 11
> destroyers sailed down the slow to bombard Henderson Field.
Breaking news from the Pacific theater. The time distortion from the
hadron collider is just getting worse and worse.
--
Opus the Penguin
The best darn penguin in all of Usenet
Opus the Penguin
Nope. Random tangent: the first time I recall hearing about Guadalcanal
was on the Mary Tyler Moore show. Lou Grant told Mary he'd written a
book about his experiences there, but every publisher he'd sent it to
had rejected it.
She said, "Well, that sounds fascinating."
And Lou says, "Not really. I wasn't there during the war."
Shawn Wilson
> > On November 13, 1942, the Japanese launched a major effort to dislodge
> > the US Marinces from Guadalcanal and Tulagi. As part of this effort, 2
> > Japanese battleships, a light cruiser and 11 destroyers sailed down
> > the slow to bombard Henderson Field.
>
> Is this an alternate spelling for "slough", or a truncation of a
> longer phrase?
It *should* have been "Slot". Name (informal) for a narrow passage
leading to the area.
That aside, chaos, confusion, poor performance and poor Signals
security don't show this as a triumph of US Navy preparedness for
fighting major fleet actions, which admittedly it very little
experience with except for the previous few months, not counting
beating up the Spanish in that war.
No excuse, this is what peacetime exercises and wargames are FOR.
Though it was certainly more bad leadership than general failure of
the Navy. But said admiral(s) should have been weeded out prior.
mike muth
> On Nov 13, 11:56 am,mike muth<mike.m...@unverbesserlich.org> wrote:
>
> > On November 13, 1942, the Japanese launched a major effort to dislodge
> > the US Marinces from Guadalcanal and Tulagi. As part of this effort, 2
> > Japanese battleships, a light cruiser and 11 destroyers sailed down
> > the slow to bombard Henderson Field.
>
> Is this an alternate spelling for "slough", or a truncation of a
> longer phrase?
"Slot" "The slot" referred to the channel which passed between the
almost parallel lines of islands.
> > forces lost an anti-aircraft cruiser (CLAA USS Atlanta) and four
> > destroyers. The Japanese lost In addition, USS Juneau (also a CLAA)
>
> The editor seems to have lost something here, too.
No, the writer was sleepy, was interrupted, and didn't proof read this
text as he should have.
I'm made corrections in my forum and in the other forum in which I
posted the text, but I (obviously) can't do that here.
> Something in the group last year prompted me to read more on the
> Pacific Theater events; I mainly followed links through and from
> WickedFoot, but even that condensed coverage was full of amazing tales
> full of courage, tenacity, and twists of fate.
There seems to have been more "backs against the wall desperation" in
the Pacific than in the US fighting in Europe. That type of
situation tends to bring out the best (and worst) in men. The US
ships which fought in that battle were primarily manned by
professionals (although there was a fair number of newer men on the
CLAAs and the new destroyers). So you get courage coupled with skill
and experience. amazing things happen.
--
Mike
mike muth
> On Nov 13, 12:48 pm, Snidely <snidely....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> > > On November 13, 1942, the Japanese launched a major effort to dislodge
> > > the US Marinces from Guadalcanal and Tulagi. As part of this effort, 2
> > > Japanese battleships, a light cruiser and 11 destroyers sailed down
> > > the slow to bombard Henderson Field.
>
> > Is this an alternate spelling for "slough", or a truncation of a
> > longer phrase?
>
> misslepping of "slot", I'd wager.
Aye, that's a wage you'd be winning.
--
Mike
Chris
news:Xns9CC2B04D13F80op...@192.168.1.101...
> mike muth (mike...@unverbesserlich.org) wrote:
>
>> On November 13, 1942, the Japanese launched a major effort to
>> dislodge the US Marinces from Guadalcanal and Tulagi. As part of
>> this effort, 2 Japanese battleships, a light cruiser and 11
>> destroyers sailed down the slow to bombard Henderson Field.
>
> Breaking news from the Pacific theater. The time distortion from the
> hadron collider is just getting worse and worse.
>
Ah! That explains the film "The Final Countdown".
John Mc
I thought I'd seen it then looked up the cast: Preston Foster, Lloyd
Nolan, William Bendix, Richard Conte, and Anthony Quinn. Nolan, Bendix
and Quinn I recognized. Conte and Foster I did not, though looking at
their credits I realized they'd been in several notable films. Conte was
in The Godfather and Oceans Eleven (1960). Foster was in The Last Days
of Pompeii amongst others.
Seeing as November 13th is my birthday this made me curious as to other
happenings on that date. Not a lot of auspicious events on the date: St.
Brice's Day massacre, Bloody Sunday clashes in central London, the
Aramoana Massacre, stuff like that. Sheesh, no wonder I usually spend
the day in bed.
John Mc.
--
Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way
you're a mile away, and you have their shoes too.
Les Albert
>Boron Elgar wrote:
>> On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:03:47 -0800 (PST), hpjeannie
>> <hpje...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, Mike.
>>>
>>> Looks like there was a movie made the very next year about it, called
>>> "Guadalcanal Diary." Anyone seen it?
>>>
>>> Jeannie
>>
>> You bet.
>
>I thought I'd seen it then looked up the cast: Preston Foster, Lloyd
>Nolan, William Bendix, Richard Conte, and Anthony Quinn. Nolan, Bendix
>and Quinn I recognized. Conte and Foster I did not, though looking at
>their credits I realized they'd been in several notable films. Conte was
>in The Godfather and Oceans Eleven (1960). Foster was in The Last Days
>of Pompeii amongst others.
In later years Preston Foster was Prof. Harold Hill in "The Music
Man".
Les
Nasti J
> In later years Preston Foster was Prof. Harold Hill in "The Music
> Man".
Um, no - that was Robert Preston.
njg
John Mc
with Foster. Probably a symptom of my flailing (not failing) memory.
John Mc.
--
Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one.
Nasti J
> In later years Preston Foster was Prof. Harold Hill in "The Music
> Man".
Of course, in "The Music Man," there is a poster advertising the 'Last
Days of Pompeii' spectacle to be presented at 9:30pm on the evening of
the Ice Cream Sociable, but I don't think that Preston Foster was in
River City Iowa that night, though Robert Preston as Harold Hill was.
njg
Boron Elgar
Too young to remember "Waterfront," eh?
Jeez, I'm too young to remember it.
Boron
Les Albert
Terrible error on my part!
Les
Boron Elgar
wrote:
They're both dead and will not mind.
Boron
Les Albert
Both dead? Nobody notified me!
Les
Boron Elgar
wrote:
>On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:57:46 -0500, Boron Elgar
><boron...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:47:49 -0800, Les Albert <lalb...@aol.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:24:19 -0800 (PST), Nasti J
>>><njgi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Nov 20, 4:09�pm, Les Albert <lalbe...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In later years Preston Foster was Prof. Harold Hill in "The Music
>>>>> Man".
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Um, no - that was Robert Preston.
>>>>
>>>>njg
>>>
>>>
>>>Terrible error on my part!
>>>
>>>Les
>>
>>
>>They're both dead and will not mind.
>>
>>Boron
>
>
>Both dead? Nobody notified me!
>
>Les
Ran out of stamps.
bill van
> Boron Elgar wrote:
> > On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:03:47 -0800 (PST), hpjeannie
> > <hpje...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks, Mike.
> >>
> >> Looks like there was a movie made the very next year about it, called
> >> "Guadalcanal Diary." Anyone seen it?
> >>
> >> Jeannie
> >
> > You bet.
>
> I thought I'd seen it then looked up the cast: Preston Foster, Lloyd
> Nolan, William Bendix, Richard Conte, and Anthony Quinn. Nolan, Bendix
> and Quinn I recognized. Conte and Foster I did not, though looking at
> their credits I realized they'd been in several notable films. Conte was
> in The Godfather and Oceans Eleven (1960). Foster was in The Last Days
> of Pompeii amongst others.
>
I remember Richard Conte very well. When I first started watching North
American television in 1959-60, he was one of the rotation of leading
men in The Four Just Men, which my family watched religiously. It was on
the only local TV station Calgary had at that time, Friday evenings
either just before or just after Candid Camera.
The other three protagonists were Dan Dailey, Jack Hawkins and Vittorio
de Sica, who were all established big names in show business.
bill van
Les Albert <lalb...@aol.com> wrote:
Indeed. You are sentenced to 24 hours in a small room with bad acoustics
and 76 trombone players, jamming.
Bob Ward
<njgi...@gmail.com> wrote:
And his faithful dog, King?
Bob Ward
wrote:
>On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:57:46 -0500, Boron Elgar
><boron...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:47:49 -0800, Les Albert <lalb...@aol.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:24:19 -0800 (PST), Nasti J
>>><njgi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Nov 20, 4:09�pm, Les Albert <lalbe...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In later years Preston Foster was Prof. Harold Hill in "The Music
>>>>> Man".
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Um, no - that was Robert Preston.
>>>>
>>>>njg
>>>
>>>
>>>Terrible error on my part!
>>>
>>>Les
>>
>>
>>They're both dead and will not mind.
>>
>>Boron
>
>
>Both dead? Nobody notified me!
>
>Les
Do you have an alibi?
John Mc
John Mc.
--
If at first you don't succeed, look in the trash for the instructions.
Les Albert
wrote:
He didn't get the dog until he made sergeant (what was Sgt. Preston's
first name?).
Les
bill van
Les Albert <lalb...@aol.com> wrote:
After the show concluded, actor (Dick) Simmons revealed that the
Sergeant had a first name, Frank, but it was never used on the show.
http://www.fiftiesweb.com/western-1.htm
bill
Bob Ward
Not everyone agrees...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Challenge_of_the_Yukon#Characters_and_story
Characters and story
The program was an adventure series about Sergeant William Preston of
the Northwest Mounted Police and his lead sled dog, Yukon King, as
they fought evildoers in the Northern wilderness during the Gold Rush
of the 1890s. Preston, according to radio historian Jim Harmon, first
joined the Mounties to capture his father's killer, and when he was
successful he was promoted to Sergeant. Preston worked under the
command of Inspector Conrad, and in the early years was often assisted
by a French-Canadian guide named Pierre.
bill van
Bob Ward <bob...@email.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 11:40:04 -0800, bill van
> <bil...@skipthis.shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> >In article <0g8gg5htkn64tmfha...@4ax.com>,
> > Les Albert <lalb...@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 23:20:00 -0800, Bob Ward <bob...@email.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:24:19 -0800 (PST), Nasti J
> >> ><njgi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>On Nov 20, 4:09�pm, Les Albert <lalbe...@aol.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> In later years Preston Foster was Prof. Harold Hill in "The Music
> >> >>> Man".
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>Um, no - that was Robert Preston.
> >> >>
> >> >>njg
> >> >
> >> >And his faithful dog, King?
> >>
> >> He didn't get the dog until he made sergeant (what was Sgt. Preston's
> >> first name?).
> >>
> >After the show concluded, actor (Dick) Simmons revealed that the
> >Sergeant had a first name, Frank, but it was never used on the show.
> >
> >http://www.fiftiesweb.com/western-1.htm
> >
>
> Not everyone agrees...
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Challenge_of_the_Yukon#Characters_and_story
> Characters and story
> The program was an adventure series about Sergeant William Preston of
> the Northwest Mounted Police and his lead sled dog, Yukon King, as
> they fought evildoers in the Northern wilderness during the Gold Rush
> of the 1890s. Preston, according to radio historian Jim Harmon, first
> joined the Mounties to capture his father's killer, and when he was
> successful he was promoted to Sergeant. Preston worked under the
> command of Inspector Conrad, and in the early years was often assisted
> by a French-Canadian guide named Pierre.
My reference was to the TV show, in which, according to many sources,
Preston never had a first name. As my reference said, the lead actor
allegedly said after the TV series wound up that his name was Frank. He
could have been kidding.
The radio show that preceded it called him William, but that name was
never used in the TV show.
There is precedent for name changes in the transition from radio to TV.
For the Gunsmoke TV series, frexample, Doc and Chester exchanged the
first names they had in the radio program Bear Trap.
bill
Bill Turlock
Who already knew this?:
The theme music was Emil von Reznicek's overture to Donna Diana
an opera.
I did. I'm so intelligent.