And if that family plan phone had been used for 5 years by a student
(high school and college) and if that phone bill had not been reimbursed
by the boy's father because he was too cavalier about his own parents'
generosity, and if that boy's father's wife had to guesstimate how much
to reimburse her passive-aggressive parents-in-law (who wouldn't name a
figure) how much should that seriously irritated wife pay? And if the
conversation between the boy's father and the grandparents went like
this:
Boy's Father: Well, how much should we pay?
Grandparents: Oh, it doesn't really matter. We pay everyone else's
phone bill, after all.
Boy's Father: I need a number.
Grandparents: Oh, well, we don't know.
Boy's Father's Wife: Here's a check for $500. I'll send more when I
get home.
How much more should the Boy's Father's Wife send, and how much
ammunition should she stock up on for when she goes on that final
mid-Western shooting spree?
Please remember to tell everyone that "She was a loner."
--
Dover (It's good to be home!)
--
Tim W
Onomatopoeia
A word that sounds like the sound it sounds like.
> If they have a family plan with unlimited messaging then the kid's
> phone is $9.99 per month.
>
>
OMG thank you! So, another $100 ought to cover it. Seriously, Tim,
your straight answer is greatly appreciated.
--
Dover
>
>Anybody have a Verizon family plan for their cell phone? Anyone got an
>educated guess about how much per month one phone with unlimited long
>distance and texting would cost?
We are 5 on a Verizon family plan. The additional lines are about $10
a month, and unlimited texting is maybe another $10. Might be $5, but
I think that is for 500 messages.
The big if is how many minutes are being used. The plans go by number
of minutes. If the offspring uses a lot of minutes and he is racking
up the majority of them on the plan , that the overall monthly is high
to carry him. If he is typical of those his age, though, he talks
little and texts a lot.
We have an enormous number of minutes a whole bunch of separate phone
data plans (they are pricey) and unlimited texting and LD and it is
maybe $200 a month.
Boron
Well, when the Girlfriend was on the East Coast, there were many minutes
of actual talk expended, greatly to the Boy Child's dismay. Now that
Girlfriend is back in-state, it's back to texting. And there is a
15-year-old girl (who is not my problem) on the plan, and she talks and
texts incessantly. But I didn't spawn her, and I didn't marry anyone
who spawned her, so I refuse responsibility.
I mean, really, shouldn't people get over their mid-Western
passive-aggressiveness and say "hey, man, you owe us some money?" Okay,
maybe not. But I'm willing to pay a fair price. I just need to know
what it IS.
--
Dover
I don't. I use the rhythm method.
> Anyone got an
> educated guess about how much per month one phone with unlimited long
> distance and texting would cost?
>
> And if that family plan phone had been used for 5 years by a student
> (high school and college) and if that phone bill had not been reimbursed
> by the boy's father because he was too cavalier about his own parents'
> generosity, and if that boy's father's wife had to guesstimate how much
> to reimburse her passive-aggressive parents-in-law (who wouldn't name a
> figure) how much should that seriously irritated wife pay? And if the
> conversation between the boy's father and the grandparents went like
> this:
>
> Boy's Father: Well, how much should we pay?
>
> Grandparents: Oh, it doesn't really matter. We pay everyone else's
> phone bill, after all.
Sounds like the appropriate level is zero. I think the proper etiquette
for dealing with the passive form of aggressivity is the same as dealing
with a fart in polite company. No matter how loud and odorous, you
simply decline to notice. No matter how many subtle hints they drop,
studiously refuse to understand them, until they drop the facade of
passivity and just come out and say what they want.
Xho
--
Has a natural advantage when it comes to not getting the hint.
If they didn't want to pay for the kids' phones, why on earth did they
BUY them one?
Mary
>Boron Elgar <boron...@hotmail.com> wrote in
>>
>> We have an enormous number of minutes a whole bunch of separate phone
>> data plans (they are pricey) and unlimited texting and LD and it is
>> maybe $200 a month.
>>
>
>Well, when the Girlfriend was on the East Coast, there were many minutes
>of actual talk expended, greatly to the Boy Child's dismay. Now that
>Girlfriend is back in-state, it's back to texting. And there is a
>15-year-old girl (who is not my problem) on the plan, and she talks and
>texts incessantly. But I didn't spawn her, and I didn't marry anyone
>who spawned her, so I refuse responsibility.
>
>I mean, really, shouldn't people get over their mid-Western
>passive-aggressiveness and say "hey, man, you owe us some money?" Okay,
>maybe not. But I'm willing to pay a fair price. I just need to know
>what it IS.
I am happy the kids shell out some of it. I will pay basic for the
boys while they are still in school, as I did for their sister, but if
they want the texting and data stuff, it's theirs, and once they
graduate, like their sister, I don't mind if they are on they plan,
but they cough it all up.
They all have a credit card of mine, too, but it is great when I ask
them to run errands.
Boron
Just say you already paid them back and see what happens.
--
If there's a nuclear winter, at least it'll snow.
>I mean, really, shouldn't people get over their mid-Western
>passive-aggressiveness and say "hey, man, you owe us some money?"
Dover, I love you and you're one of my most favoritest peeps, and I
know I'm over-sensitive to digs on the heartland, but P-A is not just
a mid-Western failing. We just can't pull it off with as much flair
as, say, folks in the South.
--
Que "well, isn't that nice" Barbara
ITYM "Well, bless his/her heart".
--
-eben QebWe...@vTerYizUonI.nOetP http://royalty.mine.nu:81
AQUARIUS: There's travel in your future when your tongue freezes to the
back of a speeding bus. Fill the void in your pathetic life by playing
Whack-a-Mole 17 hours a day. -- Weird Al, _Your Horoscope for Today_
Very true. It grows freely everywhere. My apologies to Indiana.
--
Dover
Why were they bitching about paying their grandson's cell phone bill if it
was $10 a month? Geez. I thought it was going to be like TEN THOUSAND
DOLLARS or something - like I see on Judge Judy when people sue over cell
phone bills.
Why don't they just write a note in the kids birthday or Chirstmas card
saying "Happy Birthday! Grandma and Grandpa will pay your cell phone bill
again this year!" and be done with it.
--
Kim
www.thedarwinexception.wordpress.com
* I wish I were a spy and evil people had come to my house and torn it
apart looking for secrets. Then at least I'd have an excuse for it
looking that way.*
> I am happy the kids shell out some of it. I will pay basic for the
> boys while they are still in school, as I did for their sister, but if
> they want the texting and data stuff, it's theirs, and once they
> graduate, like their sister, I don't mind if they are on they plan,
> but they cough it all up.
>
> They all have a credit card of mine, too, but it is great when I ask
> them to run errands.
>
Do they pay every month without being reminded 12 times?
--
Dover
I think there has to be a horse in there somewhere - either a high one or
one you rode in on.
>
> If they didn't want to pay for the kids' phones, why on earth did they
> BUY them one?
>
I think they were expecting their son to reimburse them. The other
grandkids are the children of the "troubled" daughter, so that whole
branch of the family is just a money sink. I think they expected more
from my husband, and I kind of did too -- I thought he'd been dealing
with it.
He just has the attitude towards his parents that an 11-year-old has.
"Oh, they don't mind. They enjoy helping." Uh huh. Grow up, dearest.
--
Dover
But see, nobody would actually ever do that.
--
Dover
>
> Sounds like the appropriate level is zero. I think the proper
> etiquette for dealing with the passive form of aggressivity is the
> same as dealing with a fart in polite company. No matter how loud and
> odorous, you simply decline to notice. No matter how many subtle hints
> they drop, studiously refuse to understand them, until they drop the
> facade of passivity and just come out and say what they want.
>
Do you enjoy swimming quietly through houses where the tension is
thicker than the oxygen?
--
Dover
True. Mostly because folks in the Midwest *always* neglect that
all-important, "Bless your heart!" Without that phrase, you
completely lose out on the feeling that they're trying to donate your
heart to someone needy NOW, right this instant, by digging it out
through your back.
--
Lisa Ann
I'm going to have to try that with the mortgage company.
Boron
> I think they were expecting their son to reimburse them. The other
> grandkids are the children of the "troubled" daughter, so that whole
> branch of the family is just a money sink. I think they expected more
> from my husband, and I kind of did too -- I thought he'd been dealing
> with it.
>
> He just has the attitude towards his parents that an 11-year-old has.
> "Oh, they don't mind. They enjoy helping." Uh huh. Grow up, dearest.
Wait...I'm confused. I thoguht they bought the kid the cellphone
or the service? That would sound like a gift to me, not requiring
reimbursement.
Unless I'm misunderstanding it.
--
-------Patrick M Geahan---...@thepatcave.org---ICQ:3784715------
"You know, this is how the sum total of human knowledge is increased.
Not with idle speculation and meaningless chatter, but with a
medium-sized hammer and some free time." - spa...@pffcu.com, a.f.c-a
> Hactar wrote:
>> In article <vonic514aqei307h2...@4ax.com>,
>> QueBarbara <que.barb...@go-awaygmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 5 Oct 2009 01:40:21 GMT, Dover Beach <moon.b...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I mean, really, shouldn't people get over their mid-Western
>>>> passive-aggressiveness and say "hey, man, you owe us some money?"
>>>
>>> Dover, I love you and you're one of my most favoritest peeps, and I
>>> know I'm over-sensitive to digs on the heartland, but P-A is not just
>>> a mid-Western failing. We just can't pull it off with as much flair
>>> as, say, folks in the South.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Que "well, isn't that nice" Barbara
>>
>> ITYM "Well, bless his/her heart".
>
> I think there has to be a horse in there somewhere - either a high one or
> one you rode in on.
>
>
"Wale bless yore hort, and the horse yew rode in on."
> Dover Beach <moon.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I think they were expecting their son to reimburse them. The other
>> grandkids are the children of the "troubled" daughter, so that whole
>> branch of the family is just a money sink. I think they expected
>> more from my husband, and I kind of did too -- I thought he'd been
>> dealing with it.
>>
>> He just has the attitude towards his parents that an 11-year-old has.
>> "Oh, they don't mind. They enjoy helping." Uh huh. Grow up,
>> dearest.
>
> Wait...I'm confused. I thoguht they bought the kid the cellphone
> or the service? That would sound like a gift to me, not requiring
> reimbursement.
>
> Unless I'm misunderstanding it.
>
Five years ago, when Boy was in high school, we needed to get him a
phone. His grandparents said, "Oh, we have a family plan since Sue's
kids need phones too. That would probably be the cheapest way." I
believe my husband said something at the time about reimbursing them.
Then he just...didn't.
Over the years I've occasionally written them checks to cover some
expense incurred by the Boy, and they're *always* pleased. My husband
is always startled that they're pleased. Like, I asked my FIL to help
my stepson buy a couple of new tires for his car when the boy was 18
(the car has AWD and tires are a little tricky) and sent a check to
cover the cost of the tires. My husband seemed to think that his
parents wouldn't need to be reimbursed for the tires, but they and I
thought otherwise.
--
Dover
>QueBarbara <que.barb...@go-awaygmail.com> wrote in
>news:vonic514aqei307h2...@4ax.com:
>
>> On 5 Oct 2009 01:40:21 GMT, Dover Beach <moon.b...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>I mean, really, shouldn't people get over their mid-Western
>>>passive-aggressiveness and say "hey, man, you owe us some money?"
>>
>> Dover, I love you and you're one of my most favoritest peeps, and I
>> know I'm over-sensitive to digs on the heartland, but P-A is not just
>> a mid-Western failing. We just can't pull it off with as much flair
>> as, say, folks in the South.
>>
>
>Very true. It grows freely everywhere. My apologies to Indiana.
Well, I didn't have the energy to explain last night, because we were
dealing with a situation with The Dude's mom and dad. They both came
down with fevers and colds on Saturday, and his mom called at least
twelve times to let us know that even though felt like they were at
death's door, they were really fine, and that there was no need for us
to drive 50 miles just to catch whatever bug they had, and if they
really needed anything they would call their other son who lives only
a mile away even though he acts like it's the biggest imposition ever
just to drive through Wendy's and pick them up a baked potato, and I
guess Barbara's probably been too busy to call and check on us, and
this is what you have to look forward to when you get old.
Yes, we probably should have gone, but we are both just getting over
colds (and me a sinus/ear infection). T.D. was dispatched this
morning with homemade brownies, soup, and gatorade to make as his
first stop of the day. And oleo, they were out of oleo.
--
QueBarbara
Wow. Tires aren't cheap. I think you're right and it's good you've
been paying them back.
Some time soon, though, Boy should be getting this stuff himself.
Mary
> Five years ago, when Boy was in high school, we needed to get him a
> phone. His grandparents said, "Oh, we have a family plan since Sue's
> kids need phones too. That would probably be the cheapest way." I
> believe my husband said something at the time about reimbursing them.
> Then he just...didn't.
OK, this I get.
> Like, I asked my FIL to help
> my stepson buy a couple of new tires for his car when the boy was 18
> (the car has AWD and tires are a little tricky) and sent a check to
> cover the cost of the tires. My husband seemed to think that his
> parents wouldn't need to be reimbursed for the tires, but they and I
> thought otherwise.
OK, this I don't get. Why did you ask the FIL to help buy the
tires, and then pay him back? Why not just skip the middleman and
give the kid the money?
> Dover Beach <moon.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Like, I asked my FIL to help
>> my stepson buy a couple of new tires for his car when the boy was 18
>> (the car has AWD and tires are a little tricky) and sent a check to
>> cover the cost of the tires. My husband seemed to think that his
>> parents wouldn't need to be reimbursed for the tires, but they and I
>> thought otherwise.
>
> OK, this I don't get. Why did you ask the FIL to help buy the
> tires, and then pay him back? Why not just skip the middleman and
> give the kid the money?
>
Well, at the time, his only checking account was a joint one with his
mother, and I didn't want his mother to come into any contact at all
with this money. I'm Just That Petty.
--
Dover
>
> Wow. Tires aren't cheap. I think you're right and it's good you've
> been paying them back.
>
> Some time soon, though, Boy should be getting this stuff himself.
>
Well, he now knows more about his car and tires and so on, so he doesn't
need guidance so much. But he's finishing his senior year at Purdue
with a triple major in math, physics, and computer science, and he's in
the middle of studying for the GRE so he can go to grad school in
physics, and I really don't mind paying for tires if it keeps him from
wasting his time working at Burger King or something. Yeah, lots of
people don't share my perspective on that. Nevertheless, that's my
perspective.
When he goes to graduate school, we'll probably give him the occasional
handout. My parents did that for me in grad school. My husband's
parents didn't, much, but he had better fellowships than I did. Of
course if he winds up with a stipend of $20K per year or something, I'll
be a little less generous with the handouts.
--
Dover
>Patrick M Geahan <pmge...@home.thepatcave.org> wrote in
FIL's age and experience might have been a benefit, too. I've dealt
with tire salesmen who were definitely trying to oversell to make a
bigger sale.
--
QueBarbara
>
> Well, at the time, his only checking account was a joint one with his
> mother, and I didn't want his mother to come into any contact at all
> with this money. I'm Just That Petty.
Me too. When Paul's kids were little, I used to buy them school clothes,
then send them all to Paul's mothers house, along with all the receipts,
where she would make sure everything fit, then remove all the tags, destroy
the recipts and send the kids home with the clothes.
It only took one time of Paul's ex taking the clothes and returning them to
the store for the money for me to implement this plan.
Wow. Impressive. What's he planning to be when he grows up, does he
say?
> When he goes to graduate school, we'll probably give him the occasional
> handout. My parents did that for me in grad school. My husband's
> parents didn't, much, but he had better fellowships than I did. Of
> course if he winds up with a stipend of $20K per year or something, I'll
> be a little less generous with the handouts.
Yes, it's nice if you can afford to help him out that way. I just had
the impression for some reason that he was out of school.
Mary
Unscrupulous automotive salesmen or mechanics apparently give a 50% or
more discount to parties with at least one Y chromosome.
--
-eben QebWe...@vTerYizUonI.nOetP http://royalty.mine.nu:81
"You're one of those condescending Unix computer users!"
"Here's a nickel, kid. Get yourself a better computer" - Dilbert
So this sounds less like an issue of grandparents being p-a and more
like you cutting through interfamily dynamics between them, their son,
and their grandson.
V.
--
Veronique Chez Sheep
>>
>> Well, he now knows more about his car and tires and so on, so he
>> doesn't need guidance so much. �But he's finishing his senior year at
>> Purdue with a triple major in math, physics, and computer science,
>> and he's in the middle of studying for the GRE so he can go to grad
>> school in physics, and I really don't mind paying for tires if it
>> keeps him from wasting his time working at Burger King or something.
>> �Yeah, lots of people don't share my perspective on that.
>> �Nevertheless, that's my perspective. �
>
> Wow. Impressive. What's he planning to be when he grows up, does he
> say?
Nah, getting the Ph.D. in physics is as far as he's gotten. He thinks
he wants a research position with no teaching, but we all want things,
don't we? He knows that teaching is likely to be in his future.
--
Dover
>
> So this sounds less like an issue of grandparents being p-a and more
> like you cutting through interfamily dynamics between them, their son,
> and their grandson.
>
Well, it's a little of everything, I think.
--
Dover
Hell no, that is why God invented garages, screened in porches, tractor
sheds, backyards, decks, and barns.
Does everyone else feel the tension?
Xho
Oh, I don't know. I'm home now, I have my kitty and my doggy and my box
of wine, so I'm recovered.
--
Dover
> So, can someone tell me what the phone bill looks like on these? Do
> all incoming and outgoing numbers for all the phones show up on it?
Yes, apparently. My father-in-law complains that the bills are these
huge multi-page documents listing every transaction for every phone.
--
Dover
14:11:30:42 0
14:11:30:51 1
14:11:31:09 5
14:11:31:17 3
14:11:31:38 1
14:11:31:52 7
14:11:32:11 9
14:11:32:40 6
14:11:32:49 9
14:11:33:02 3
14:11:33:28 1
14:11:33:53 0
14:11:35:01 CLICK
14:11:38:19 BRRRRR-BRRRRR
14:11:34:27 BRRRRR-BRRRRR
14:11:34:38 BRRRRR-BRRRRR
14:11:34:51 CLICK
14:11:35:07 "Hello?"
14:11:36:12 "Hi, is Stuart there?"
14:11:36:56 "Hang on, I'll see if he's in."
...
--
John Hatpin
http://uninformedcomment.wordpress.com/
>So, can someone tell me what the phone bill looks like on these? Do
>all incoming and outgoing numbers for all the phones show up on it?
In some cases they do. A few years ago I signed for a Fed-Ex package
for my (now former) house-mate. It turned out to be a detailed phone
bill for his four teenaged sons. Several thousand SMS entries/son[1].
It didn't happen again.
Regards,
Rob
[1] One son was responsible for ~6000 or ~200/day!
--
"...or better yet, use the Jack Daniel's `shot and a chaser' glass."
An honest admission of the true nature of Tennessee whiskey.
-- Bushido in alt.drinks.scotch-whisky
Well? Was he in? After all that, it's the least you could tell us.
Can you opt to go paperless, like with a credit card bill?
--
Opus the Penguin
The best darn penguin in all of Usenet
Dunno. I think he needs the paper backup to distribute to various family
members.
--
Dover
Well, it was nice having a $10 phone for a month but I guess I can
live without it.
>Dover Beach wrote:
>
>> Slow Motion Apocalypse <slowmotion...@rocketmail.com> wrote in
>> news:00665428-f6f0-4237...@g1g2000pra.googlegroups.com:
>>
>> > So, can someone tell me what the phone bill looks like on these? Do
>> > all incoming and outgoing numbers for all the phones show up on it?
>>
>> Yes, apparently. My father-in-law complains that the bills are these
>> huge multi-page documents listing every transaction for every phone.
>
>14:11:30:42 0
14:11:30.42, Shirley?
Charlie
--
Email killed by spammers - please ask for the real one.
> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:11:29 +0000, John Hatpin
> <RemoveThi...@gmailAndThisToo.com> wrote:
>
> >Dover Beach wrote:
> >
> >> Slow Motion Apocalypse <slowmotion...@rocketmail.com> wrote in
> >> news:00665428-f6f0-4237...@g1g2000pra.googlegroups.com:
> >>
> >> > So, can someone tell me what the phone bill looks like on these? Do
> >> > all incoming and outgoing numbers for all the phones show up on it?
> >>
> >> Yes, apparently. My father-in-law complains that the bills are these
> >> huge multi-page documents listing every transaction for every phone.
> >
> >14:11:30:42 0
>
> 14:11:30.42, Shirley?
Oops, yes.
Those subsecond units seem to be 1/60 second each, so I don't know how
they're notated.
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The neutrino replies "Nope, just passing through." -- rdu_voyager on Fark
> In article <882mg5d23geil6100...@4ax.com>,
> Charlie Pearce <charlie...@eidosnet.NO-SPOO-PLEASE.co.uk> wrote:
> > On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:11:29 +0000, John Hatpin
> > <RemoveThi...@gmailAndThisToo.com> wrote:
> >
> > >Dover Beach wrote:
> > >
> > >> Slow Motion Apocalypse <slowmotion...@rocketmail.com> wrote in
> > >> news:00665428-f6f0-4237...@g1g2000pra.googlegroups.com:
> > >>
> > >> > So, can someone tell me what the phone bill looks like on these? Do
> > >> > all incoming and outgoing numbers for all the phones show up on it?
> > >>
> > >> Yes, apparently. My father-in-law complains that the bills are these
> > >> huge multi-page documents listing every transaction for every phone.
> > >
> > >14:11:30:42 0
> >
> > 14:11:30.42, Shirley?
>
> Those subsecond units seem to be 1/60 second each, so I don't know how
> they're notated.
The funny thing is, nor do I.
> So, can someone tell me what the phone bill looks like on these? Do
> all incoming and outgoing numbers for all the phones show up on it?
mine simply lists services and fees to be paid. If I want an itemized
bill i've got to sign up for their web-based billing, which I do not want
to do.